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is it better to save in device or storage card? Does it matter

My phone is kinda slow and i was wondering if it makes any difference where i save my programs......Any suggestions on what to do?

I just got my phone and installed a recommended app called oxios.
A friend of mine had the tmobile wing, and it was operating really slowly too. I beamed that app over to him and it made his phone operate much much better.
I'd store stuff on your card, keeps the phone memory free to use and then its also removable if you want to loan some data to a friend or something.
To get Oxios, look at the thread I made called "Sprint Mogul must haves"

Yeah I agree...
Most stuff can be put onto the card.
I only put onto phone storage the stuff I use ALL the time or stuff that HAS to be there or running in the background(like MSVC, dialers, themes, sounds, etc)
I use wisbar advanved desktop and S2U2. I installed THOSE to phone memory along with various themes. It is running all the time and is quicker waking up when the phone rings etc. Ringtones should be on phone memory also.
All my games, other apps (like oxios, gps maps, youtube player, tvguide, aim, etc) are on the card. Because those I use/run them and when I'm done I close them.
Hope this makes sense....

I tried to download the file but it wont let me...do you know somewhere else i can get it? thanks

irnman43 said:
My phone is kinda slow and i was wondering if it makes any difference where i save my programs......Any suggestions on what to do?
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Generally, it won't make your phone slow if you have a lot of items loaded in local flash ROM. What typically makes it slow is having a number of background tasks that are running. Do you use taskmanager or something to close the excess junk?
Typically, if you have a program that runs on the today screen or in the background, load it in local ROM. If it is huge or seldom used, load it on the storage card.
If you install an app on the storage card, it may be a little slower to load into ram when you start it. Usually that isn't a problem though.

Ok. so I was thinking of installing manila and the opera browser. should i install them on the storage card?

I wouldn't put either of those on the storage card. As worwig said the speed of your device has only to do with the processor load, which can never be too much since the ram will never allow the titan to over bombard the processor. So, it really all boils down to open ram. The more you have generally the better proformance you are going to get. If it is really bad to the point where you open your phone and you have to wait more than half a second for the screen to flip I would recommend a hard reset or more effective install dcd's 3.2.6 or 3.3.4. Then install each program soft reset and find which program is causing the memory drain.

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I personally prefer to save larger or less frequently used apps and all backups on a storage card. Just in case I need to do a hard reset or something goes wrong. Also a good practice is to have partial backups so if you need to get raid of some apps you could restore only what you need.
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Laggy Phone

My phones lately been acting funny
programs have been fore closing and its been laggy and idk why i did put any new apps..
dont know what iv did different i never did anything i have dxtop but it never did anything before
my phones moded and rooted and all the other stuff JF released

If you have a lot of apps or if you're running low on internal phone memory, it would cause your phone to lag. There is also a couple more reasons, I just can't think of em at the moment. =/

You ned task manager. Look which programs you've got running, may be you don't need some of them. I know for sure that "phonebook" app and "mybackup" app are some serious memory hogs, my phone was acting all goofy, uninstalled those two-problems are gone and forgotten.

borodin1 said:
You ned task manager. Look which programs you've got running, may be you don't need some of them. I know for sure that "phonebook" app and "mybackup" app are some serious memory hogs, my phone was acting all goofy, uninstalled those two-problems are gone and forgotten.
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And i happen to have both of them..........well how do I check my internal memory..I have dxtop memory widget and always says around 24 to 26 mb free of memory..so u think i should remove those 2 apps? i mean my back up i can always reinstall but i have that nadroid backup thing when i got my phone rooted to do a full system backup to my sd card

tanner2007 said:
And i happen to have both of them..........well how do I check my internal memory..I have dxtop memory widget and always says around 24 to 26 mb free of memory..so u think i should remove those 2 apps? i mean my back up i can always reinstall but i have that nadroid backup thing when i got my phone rooted to do a full system backup to my sd card
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Don't quote me on that but....
24-26 mb of memory is probably available for app installs (that would be system/data/data part of your phone). Running programs occupying different part of the memory, think of it as a RAM memory on the computer. Android has it's own program to decide which processes will run in the background and which wont but it's too immature at the moment. It'll get better with time.
With that said, phonebook, mybackup and in your case dxtop are all running constantly on your phone along with gmail, myfaves (whether you like it or not), maps, messaging, and bunches of others. Something is coded in them to prevent android to shut them down. Lock 2.0 is another one that runs in the backround all the time but it's not that memory hungry and doing just fine by itself.
The best way to check what's running is to download "Task Manager for root users" from the market (it's free). It will show which programs are running at the time. Click on any program and it will show the option to shut that program down. but if you shut down phonebook and hit refresh you'll see that it will restart itsef.
I suggest that you get rid of the phonebook, it looks very very nice but can't make it default so what's the point? Backup is waste of space too, you can back up all the info other ways so again, what's the point?
Good luck, I'm sure you can figure it out and reclaim the speed that G1 is capable of. Sorry for taking so long to get to the point.

Oh yeah, Imeem will run in the background indefenately as well.

borodin1 said:
Don't quote me on that but....
24-26 mb of memory is probably available for app installs (that would be system/data/data part of your phone). Running programs occupying different part of the memory, think of it as a RAM memory on the computer. Android has it's own program to decide which processes will run in the background and which wont but it's too immature at the moment. It'll get better with time.
With that said, phonebook, mybackup and in your case dxtop are all running constantly on your phone along with gmail, myfaves (whether you like it or not), maps, messaging, and bunches of others. Something is coded in them to prevent android to shut them down. Lock 2.0 is another one that runs in the backround all the time but it's not that memory hungry and doing just fine by itself.
The best way to check what's running is to download "Task Manager for root users" from the market (it's free). It will show which programs are running at the time. Click on any program and it will show the option to shut that program down. but if you shut down phonebook and hit refresh you'll see that it will restart itsef.
I suggest that you get rid of the phonebook, it looks very very nice but can't make it default so what's the point? Backup is waste of space too, you can back up all the info other ways so again, what's the point?
Good luck, I'm sure you can figure it out and reclaim the speed that G1 is capable of. Sorry for taking so long to get to the point.
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Well got rid of phone book and my backup since i can always back up my full system
and I already have advance task manager and i can close all the applicatiosn running but not proccess or services with that said I always have close everything app and run that once in a while

I noticed that with dxtop(trial) that every time I went to the home screen, either by hitting home button or backing out of an app, there was a lot of lag. And this is before the little countdown timer the trial has in it.
Uninstalled and am in the process of trying out the other two home replacement apps. Dont have that problem with them. If you are still having issues might try unistalling dxtop.

I probably shouldn't even ask because it was covered many times but.... do you have your caches on sd and if not do you clear them often?

how do i close programs running in the background. i know i have to hold home, but wat do i do to close them.

borodin1 said:
I probably shouldn't even ask because it was covered many times but.... do you have your caches on sd and if not do you clear them often?
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I have not heard this..where and how?
kay11224 said:
how do i close programs running in the background. i know i have to hold home, but wat do i do to close them.
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Same here I can close applications in backgrounmd but not services or processes

tanner2007 said:
I have not heard this..where and how?
Same here I can close applications in backgrounmd but not services or processes
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1) Anyone?
2) would anyone happen to know which home alternative uses more memory?
dxTop
http://dxtop.wikidot.com/
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http://betterandroid.wordpress.com/
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Problems with MT3G speed/lag

Hello, ive been having some issues with my MT3G over the past few days and ive noticed my phone has been lagging a lot even after rooting, installing latest cyanogen rom and using compcache. here is my setup:
mt3g 32b
cyanogenmod 4.2.11.1
Compcache default settings
lock home app in mem, otherwise i get reloads
i think the problem is that random apps keep turning on by themselves even after i kill them with advanced task manager. phone lags, i check task manager and apps like amazon mp3, market, messaging (i use handcent), locale (i now uninstalled it), settings and other random apps and i never launched any of these apps. so i kill all the apps, the phone runs fine and fast but about 1 min later other random apps load again and i have to rekill them. what gives? ive tried wiping and reinatalling to no avail... why does everyone else seem to have constantly fast mt3g's when i have essentially the same setup?

Seriously, no one?? Come on guys, at least someone has some advice?

have you tried changing your linux swap instead of compcache? Also, have you tried the ram hack?
I'm not sure why you have those things turning on again. I don't have that problem with my mt3g

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Thanks for the reply, I don't use linux swap (apps2sd?) considering the phones internal memory is quite a bit. I read about the ram hack but I use the phone for gaming quite a bit so I don't see how I would benefit from that. If linux swap really does make the difference then I guess I have no choice. The only thing that worries me is the sd card wearing down because of it although it doesn't seem to be much of an issue with G1 users or am I wrong?

linux swap is not apps2sd. it gives the phone more virtual memory that it feeds off the memory card to make up for the lack of ram over the 32A. ext is where the apps are stored for apps2sd, but the phone does not need that.
The ram hack only makes 3D gaming suffer. Games like ProjectINF, RoboDefense, Pacman, etc don't suffer from this. Even then, some 3D games still work fine for me, like Toon Warz.
And not the SD card doesn't really go bad, it has on some people, but even then, most sd card come with 5 year warranties. My transcend comes with a lifetime warranty, so you shouldn't worry about it.

Thank you, that cleared up a LOT of my confusion! I read somewhere that Amon_Ra's recovery image will setup linuxswap with one of its commands (partitioning?) or am I mistaken?

it partitions it into the 3 sections. fat32+ext+linux swap. This is what I did. However, this will give you the ext which will transfer all the apps to your sd. you can however, delete your ext if you don't want that using parted in adb. from there, you can use the swapper app and set it to your liking. I use 64mb and 40 swappiness.

Thanks for the help Tazz, linux swap made a difference. There's still a small lag sometimes but much less than before and less frequent. By the way, swapper seems to have been removed from the market for some reason.

[Q] How to Keep Sense in Memory

Hello Desire HD world !
I have a problem really annoying with my DHD.
Sense is rebooting very often when the device is out of memory (it always happens at the bad moment ).
I experienced the same thing with my Milestone, and problem was solved by adding the line ro.HOME_APP_ADJ=1 in /data/local.prop, and then system took memory on other apps, and LauncherPro stayed in memory.
Sense does not use this file, I tried to create it, but nothing happened.
Any idea ? Because with so much RAM, I don't understand why Sense is not kept in memory, there is a lot of useless apps loaded !
Thanks !
PS ; I use the last stock ROM with no taskiller.

Up !
Nobody has the problem or nobody knows how to fix it ?

I have been noticing this as well. It's pretty annoying to turn your phone on to use it, and have to wait 20 seconds for the launcher to start!
You'd think they would be more aggressive with keeping it in memory, as there are plenty of apps sleeping in the cache which should be removed before Sense.

Tatou26 said:
Sense is rebooting very often when the device is out of memory (it always happens at the bad moment ).
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I would say get rid of some apps that you don't need. I have everything I could possibly use, and still have well over 700 MB left. To use all the memory you have you must see some apps you downloaded just to see what they are, and don't even use. If you actaully do use them all then I don't know what you can do unless some can be moved to a SD card.

I think you misunderstood the problem .
The memory is the RAM, not the ROM. I still have about 700 mb free on my device.
But when a lot of programs are opened, Sense is killed by the system, it does not have the priority, and I don't understand why.

Oh sorry. Yeah misunderstood. I use Mini Info from the Market, and my RAM usage even under heavy use barley gets to around 200 out of 623 available. Maybe there is something stuck that is using up so much memory. Do you have a lot of widgets on your home screens? Also do you restart often?

bobbyphoenix said:
Oh sorry. Yeah misunderstood. I use Mini Info from the Market, and my RAM usage even under heavy use barley gets to around 200 out of 623 available. Maybe there is something stuck that is using up so much memory. Do you have a lot of widgets on your home screens? Also do you restart often?
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I have one widget on each screen. And I make a restart every morning.
Maybe the Live Wallpaper is the cause ?
I am the only one having the problem ?

Tatou26 said:
I have one widget on each screen. And I make a restart every morning.
Maybe the Live Wallpaper is the cause ?
I am the only one having the problem ?
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No you're not! I just had Sense restart on me RIGHT NOW, after installing and using Catch Notes.

Ok so issue is real.
Without Sense no problem to keep the Home in memory.
Weard.

Do you use the Spare Parts app?

No spare parts, everything is stock, except the root.

[DISCUSS] Memory Matters...(A Mini Rant)

Well I have had the Xperia Play for over a week now and there is one thing that is annoying me, as one might guess from the title.
First though, let me list all the Android phones (tablets omitted) I've had in the past year to give a bit of insight into my rant:
Xperia X10, Desire, Galaxy S, Desire HD, LYNX, LYNX 3D, Nexus S, Xperia Play.
Now, of these phones (I don't really count the X10 as I had it for 2 weeks before ditching it for the Desire), the HTC Desire has been the only one that really ticked me off. EVERY day there was a memory issue. I would test out a new app only to find that, lo and behold, the storage was filled from the other apps. It seemed like there was eternally 20MB or less free at any given time. I remember actively having to put downloads on "hold" in my mind so that when I got a new phone I could get them.
(BTW I realize that last April/May we had Android 2.1 and thus there was no option to save to Micro SD. Nonetheless, all of the other phones have been great, including the Desire HD.)
NOW we fast forward to my spending $800 on an unlocked Xperia Play. NOT happy. I have already, on three occasions, been notified of low memory on the phone. Why? Well I downloaded various games from the marketplace that are optimized for the Play, and I downloaded Adobe Air (absurdly large file size for something I don't ever recall using).
I find it quite ironic that a device designed to play GAMES has basically no on-board memory. Worse yet, IIRC many of the large games that are designed for the Play (including some that are pre-installed no less) will not migrate to SD and thus they are stuck on the phone occupying space.
Could I delete some of the applications? Sure. But the thing is, why do I have to? Why is it that my Nexus S and Desire HD, both of which I actively use, have not once experienced this problem and have MORE content on them no less. The HD still has 512MB free, and I'm even willing to overlook the NS entirely given that it ONLY has on-board memory.
Sorry, I'm just ticked off that I have this brand new phone (which I bought explicitly for games mind you, not even to use as a phone or take out of my house) and it requires micromanagement so as not to run out of space. I mean it's great that SE was nice enough to include a 16GB Micro SD, but WHY couldn't it have been built into the **** internal storage instead?!?! For crying out loud, even the PSP Go (which this is more or less a follow-up to) had 16GB on-board...
Is anyone else annoyed by this issue?

Mhh, I can see where you're coming from, but I found it to be a little bit of a non-issue, personally. I found it to be a huge issue with my Motorola Milestone, but mostly, because it's Android 2.1 and thus doesn't want to cooperate with the SD. Nowadays, you can just set the default install location on the SD with "adb shell pm setInstallLocation 2" and everything gets thrown on the SD, even programs that don't support it. And thankfully, the included Class 10 SD is very fast from what I've seen and could probably be even faster if we format it into ext4 - altho for that, we need root-access, otherwise Android still tries to mount it as a vfat.
It's unfortunate, yes, but it's not really that much of an issue to me, personally. I still have around 140MB free, and basically all apps I buy also allow me to throw them on the SD by default.

TokyoGuy said:
I find it quite ironic that a device designed to play GAMES has basically no on-board memory. Worse yet, IIRC many of the large games that are designed for the Play (including some that are pre-installed no less) will not migrate to SD and thus they are stuck on the phone occupying space.
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umm i'm pretty sure all the pre-installed game files are pre-loaded on the 16gb card you get. plus any large game you install, almost in all cases you download the game data files to the SD by default. so yeah.....

Actually I was concerned that my phone had some kind of malware preinstalled because of the 3 minute start up issue and thus I formatted the memory and SD card. Exactly what was on there anyway? I'm quite worried I deleted something important, though when I went to play Crash Bandicoot it said the file had to be downloaded. Was it just the games and SE's sample music and pictures?
As for the large games, Asphalt 6 (29.30MB) won't move to SD, Pixeline (18.84MB) and some others. But it's also that I have things like Swype installed, and various other things that are also taking up space.
Nowadays, you can just set the default install location on the SD with "adb shell pm setInstallLocation 2"
Sorry, how does that work? It might sound ignorant, but is that something that you can do after rooting the phone or such? It would definitely solve my problem though.
Also, on a side note, has anyone experienced the phone randomly turning off? It happened to me twice today. I don't even have a SIM inserted so it is clearly something hardware related.
And on a final note/question, I have System Panel installed on the phone, however upon restarting, the icon is nowhere on the Application icon menu. It is still installed on the phone, but the icon is gone. Is this some kind of hardware/software compatibility issue?

TokyoGuy said:
Sorry, how does that work? It might sound ignorant, but is that something that you can do after rooting the phone or such? It would definitely solve my problem though.
Also, on a side note, has anyone experienced the phone randomly turning off? It happened to me twice today. I don't even have a SIM inserted so it is clearly something hardware related.
And on a final note/question, I have System Panel installed on the phone, however upon restarting, the icon is nowhere on the Application icon menu. It is still installed on the phone, but the icon is gone. Is this some kind of hardware/software compatibility issue?
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Just enable USB debugging, attach the phone and run the command in the Android-SDK/tools directory via a command window. As far as I know, it doesn't need to be rooted to work.
I had no problems with the phone turning off yet, but it might be related to a "random reboot" bug the Nexus S had in 2.3.2 as well. It was fixed in the 2.3.3 update.
The default Launcher is very buggy and sometimes seems to "forget" applications. For now, I'd advice you to use an alternative launcher like Launcher Pro, ADW Launcher, Go Launcher oder SPB 3D Shell.

Meister_Li said:
Mhh, I can see where you're coming from, but I found it to be a little bit of a non-issue, personally. I found it to be a huge issue with my Motorola Milestone, but mostly, because it's Android 2.1 and thus doesn't want to cooperate with the SD. Nowadays, you can just set the default install location on the SD with "adb shell pm setInstallLocation 2" and everything gets thrown on the SD, even programs that don't support it. And thankfully, the included Class 10 SD is very fast from what I've seen and could probably be even faster if we format it into ext4 - altho for that, we need root-access, otherwise Android still tries to mount it as a vfat.
It's unfortunate, yes, but it's not really that much of an issue to me, personally. I still have around 140MB free, and basically all apps I buy also allow me to throw them on the SD by default.
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Are you sure apps that don't support being moved to SD can be used like this?

TokyoGuy said:
As for the large games, Asphalt 6 (29.30MB) won't move to SD, Pixeline (18.84MB) and some others. But it's also that I have things like Swype installed, and various other things that are also taking up space.
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lol dude you should be thankful Asphalt only takes 30 mb on your phone, check your SD card, see that 800mb+ folder? yh THAT'S Asphalt!

RacecarBMW said:
Are you sure apps that don't support being moved to SD can be used like this?
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It usually works fine, but I think it can cause issues if Widgets are installed that way.

Hey guys
I have had no problems like yours all u need to makesure thst u move the apps to sd card which is an android issue not enough int memory
My se play is brill screen res is better than iphone 4 also speed for loading webpages better than any htc especially the cam as it is sony
They have a winner here watch out apple.
I have had all the phones out there and sold them all this se play has a great gps aswell not agps which idveven better and agrest battery life
Rock on sony this shouldbe your flagship phone not the others u are producing like the arc or neo
Sent from my R800i using XDA App

well each to their own i guess. iphone has a better screen res FYI. but i also prefer the screen over iphone as 3.5" is too small. but i disagree, the only thing the Play does good is handle games that require controls. my galaxy s had a better screen, waaaay better web browsing experience, xperia play seems clunky and cumbersome imo.
but for gaming, cant beat it

Can anyone confirm if adb shell setInstallLocation2 is a viable option here ? Because I'm running out of space fast !

DeadlyDazza said:
Can anyone confirm if adb shell setInstallLocation2 is a viable option here ? Because I'm running out of space fast !
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adb: permission denied
Bootloader unlocked Play, latest SDK on Mac - doesn't work for me.

Thanks for that buddy

Worked for me using the windows android-sdk before I unlocked my bootloader, but didn't actually test it.

Hopefully it's just something I am doing wrong then.
Moved a lot of stuff over to SD card anyway so not critical on space (yet)

Laird_Attwood said:
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Bootloader unlocked Play, latest SDK on Mac - doesn't work for me.
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worked fine for me no permission denied errors.

1st of all, let me apologize for being a complete n00b !
I've found a couple of how to's on the net regarding installing & using the android windows SDK to set installlocation.
However, when I plug in my Play I don't actually get any prompt to install drivers. So naturally, when I try to run the command line I get a device not found error.
If anyone could spare the time to help me out here I'd probably love you forever ! ;-)

I hope new android roms will give us more memoria, because I always have 80-90 mb free, and have to use advance task killer allways to restore to 200 mb

Yes and yes to your issues.
I dont have any where as near as many apps installed as I did on the X10 but, am constantly getting the low or out of memory notification. I downloaded a couple apps yesterday and the second one wouldn't even download because there was no space. I've moved everything I can possibly move onto the SD card. Itd be great if all game files could be put on the SD card. I have quite a few games, all the Play optimized ones (well and Angry Birds ) and thats just the launch titles. In a few months time, I'll have had to uninstall games, even if I'm not finished with them, to make room for new games. I've had to uninstall some apps, which I downloaded to try and as I say, I've moved everything I can to the SD card, next step will be to remove games. It's a shame that my favourite, Asphalt 6, is the one that takes up the most room, almost 30MB . Never too bothered about root on my X10 but, desperately want it on here to remove the unwanted crap which is taking up needed space.
Also, I've also had the phone switch off several times. A few times it's been off when I've gone to it, other times it's powered off when I'm using it and is nothing to do with a low battery.

This worked great for me! I have all the Gameloft games installed and a crap load of other games on my phone and i still have 170mb free. You need to install both Sony Ericsson PC Companion and Update Service before ADB detects the phone.