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Network selection hierachy - Wifi vs GPRS (Kaiser)

When I'm in the house (and assuming I've got the wifi switched on on the Tytn 2), how do I get it to use the Wifi to access the Web as a first option?
Even when its connected to my wireless LAN (which it does with no problems at all - much better than my old Wizzard), if I launch Explorer it automatically makes a GPRS connection. The only way to force it to use the Wifi seems to be to turn the Phone off in the comm manager - which then means I can't receive any calls.
I can't find any setting that dicates the network hierachy i.e. that says if there is a Wireless LAN connection then don't bother with GPRS, or if there isn't, then use GPRS.
I seem to recall there was something similar on desktop Windoze where you could have it automatically use a dial up connection if there was no LAN available.
Can anyone help?

Iain.m said:
When I'm in the house (and assuming I've got the wifi switched on on the Tytn 2), how do I get it to use the Wifi to access the Web as a first option?
Even when its connected to my wireless LAN (which it does with no problems at all - much better than my old Wizzard), if I launch Explorer it automatically makes a GPRS connection. The only way to force it to use the Wifi seems to be to turn the Phone off in the comm manager - which then means I can't receive any calls.
I can't find any setting that dicates the network hierachy i.e. that says if there is a Wireless LAN connection then don't bother with GPRS, or if there isn't, then use GPRS.
I seem to recall there was something similar on desktop Windoze where you could have it automatically use a dial up connection if there was no LAN available.
Can anyone help?
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I'm now getting the same thing using Emoze - the thing is sitting here connected to the Wifi & will sync mail & contacts etc over the wifi quite happily - but as soon as I try & send mail from the handheld it starts up not one but two GPRS connections (!) Much the same as if I try & get a web page up - it automatically goes to GPRS as its default route to the internet despite that fact that its already connected via wifi & the only way to stop this behaviour seems to be to switch the phone off in Comm Manager.
Seems to be something inherrantly odd about the way the Tytn 2 is deciding what network connection is available & which it should use. It looks like it needs a little control application to sit between the IP stack & the hardware so that when a request comes it can be routed according to user preference - i.e. Use WIfi if available, Only use GPRS etc The Wifi doesn't seem to fire up a connection when it feels like it - only the GPRS. Do all the HTC devices with WIfi behave this way?
In the meantime, does anyone know of a simple way to turn off/disable GPRS without disabling the phone?
WHile I have plenty of GPRS data allowance in my package when I'm in the house at my desk (or anywhere else I can get a wifi connection) I'd rather it just used the Wifi to sync itself or if I decided call up a web page.
Besides, it interferes with the hi-fi speakers in my study with that annoying buzzing noise everytime the GPRS gets busy.
I.

Hi guys,
I use 3 different wifi networks during the course of a day, well 2 a day, 3 through out the week probably. Home/Work/Friends house
I have a very small data package (5mb) so i am very choosy about when I use my data connection!
Anyways, did some testing.
I already know that if I have no wifi, no data connection on, then I try and start outlook or Internet Explorer, then my data connection starts up (as it should)
now if i have my data connection on, then i turn on wifi on the phone, the wifi connection takes over and the data connection is not being used, even though it's on.
I also have no problems with when wifi is on and data is off, and if i goto outlook or IE, that gprs decides to go on. this does not happen tome (unless for some strange reason wifi cuts out, gprs tries to take over)
So i dont know if its something with your settings or not, maybe your phone goes to sleep and wifi turns off then gprs takes over, or i could be misunderstanding your question, because now that I think about it, perhaps you are asking something like..
- at home no wifi or data connection is active at that moment
- you navigate to a page in IE and instead of gprs turning on, wifi turns on/scans for lan and uses that
Yeah, that's probably waht you are asking.. haha yahoo for long winded useless post
If you figure it out, i want to know! lol

Iain.m said:
I'm now getting the same thing using Emoze - the thing is sitting here connected to the Wifi & will sync mail & contacts etc over the wifi quite happily - but as soon as I try & send mail from the handheld it starts up not one but two GPRS connections (!) Much the same as if I try & get a web page up - it automatically goes to GPRS as its default route to the internet despite that fact that its already connected via wifi & the only way to stop this behaviour seems to be to switch the phone off in Comm Manager.
Seems to be something inherrantly odd about the way the Tytn 2 is deciding what network connection is available & which it should use. It looks like it needs a little control application to sit between the IP stack & the hardware so that when a request comes it can be routed according to user preference - i.e. Use WIfi if available, Only use GPRS etc The Wifi doesn't seem to fire up a connection when it feels like it - only the GPRS. Do all the HTC devices with WIfi behave this way?
In the meantime, does anyone know of a simple way to turn off/disable GPRS without disabling the phone?
WHile I have plenty of GPRS data allowance in my package when I'm in the house at my desk (or anywhere else I can get a wifi connection) I'd rather it just used the Wifi to sync itself or if I decided call up a web page.
Besides, it interferes with the hi-fi speakers in my study with that annoying buzzing noise everytime the GPRS gets busy.
I.
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You should be able to use the comm manager to turn off the data connection, but as for keeping it off permanently, until you decide you want it to be even allowed to be active again maybe you can try this, it should disable your connection until you see fit.
http://www.modaco.com/content/Pocket-PC-Software/246171/New-FREE-Utility/

briggs81 said:
You should be able to use the comm manager to turn off the data connection, but as for keeping it off permanently, until you decide you want it to be even allowed to be active again maybe you can try this, it should disable your connection until you see fit.
http://www.modaco.com/content/Pocket-PC-Software/246171/New-FREE-Utility/
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Great little utility , thanks very much for pointing that out - it at least allows me to do what I want manually - i.e. use my wifi without having to turn the phone off.
Although I know you can disconnect GPRS from the Comm manager, it also doesn't seem to have an idle time out so once an application (like Emoze) has started it up it keeps running in the background. Also, as soon as you turn it off, inevitably Emoze turns it straight back on! The NoData application gives much more control so thanks for that.
I do go abroad reasonably often so also happy to be able to use it for its primary purpose of disabling GPRS whilst roaming to avoid silly charges
It would be great if HTC could build a bit more intelligence and control into the network side of these things though.
I.

You may want to look into Schaps Advanced Config or KaiserTweak for wifi/gprs settings.
You can set timers and disconnects, etc, with those applications.

Iain.m said:
When I'm in the house (and assuming I've got the wifi switched on on the Tytn 2), how do I get it to use the Wifi to access the Web as a first option?
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The Good News: I fixed this behavior on the phone w/o any 3rd-party utilities, etc.
The Bad News: I'm not 100% sure how. :-/ My apologies. Here is what I think did it:
Make sure your browser is closed and you have no open data connections.
1- Open the Wireless Manager and make sure "WLAN" is on and "Data Connection" is off.
2- Go to Start>Settings and choose the "Connections" tab along the bottom.
3- Open "Wireless LAN," choose your home wireless network, and make sure you're actively connected to it (should see a signal quality meter, device network settings, etc).
4- Close "Wireless LAN" and while "Settings" is still open and on the "Connections" tab, open "Wi-Fi." Your list of known Wi-Fi networks should be showing: make sure your home network says "connected."
5- Close everything back out to your "Today" screen.
When my Tilt is set this way -- and actively connected to my WLAN -- the Wireless Manager grays out "Data Connections" and doesn't even respond if I tap the icon. IE automatically uses my WLAN, although it won't connect to some of its pre-loaded favs b/c, I think, they're on WAP servers and the Wi-Fi/NAT router assigns/negotiates TCP/IP protocols for your phone.
I think now I accomplish all the above by simply opening the keyboard and pressing the FN/Wi-Fi key.
FYI -- In truth, I solved this problem by installing Opera Mobile and setting it as my default browser. Opera Mobile is a full browser, i.e. doesn't use WAP.
Hope this helps. If not, sorry for this 5 minutes of your life you'll never get back. :-/
gT

How to set wifi as default rather than GPRS?

Anyway?
if better , perm disable of GPRS will be good .

Try NoData to disble GPRS. Personally I'm not having much luck with it as my TD2 keep closing it down in background.
Alternative is to deliberately set an incorrect APN so it cannot connect even when it tries.
I don't know of any method of setting a default connection type.

NoData.cab works fine in my device, but HD Tweak can do the same job, so I removed it.

Would like to do the same too, and then have my weather and emails be updated via my home network thru wireless only...
any one able to do this?

Of course you can! Using 3g or any other paying data connection when WiFi is available is simply foolish

sualc said:
Of course you can! Using 3g or any other paying data connection when WiFi is available is simply foolish
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Done spose you would like to tell me how please...i am not that clued in with the HTC device just yet...and have used alot of my data already...which i have to pay for...
Thanks..

With pleasure:
Some people say they can deactivate gprs,3g etc within windows..but as I emptied my sim credit within a minute when I first started my Topaz, I decided not to worry anymore by installing Modaco's NoData.cab (it's free,google for it) and disabling all costly data connections from my operator. After a few days I realized that nodata.cab was no longer needed because I had also HD Tweak, who can do the same.If you use it go to point 6. and disable the 3 last settings. So it's up to you:NoData.cab or Hd Tweak...and I'm sure even others utilities work aswell.

Or you simply delete the settings for 3g conections and the software will decide to use WIFI it's avaible instead 3G (because it will not work without settings.)

How do you do that? In this case you would have to do the network autoconfig again if you need 3g etc..anyway this discussion is funny because it is rare to find a thread with multiple solutions recently....I was getting bored of unsolved problems . Cheers !

sualc said:
With pleasure:
Some people say they can deactivate gprs,3g etc within windows..but as I emptied my sim credit within a minute when I first started my Topaz, I decided not to worry anymore by installing Modaco's NoData.cab (it's free,google for it) and disabling all costly data connections from my operator. After a few days I realized that nodata.cab was no longer needed because I had also HD Tweak, who can do the same.If you use it go to point 6. and disable the 3 last settings. So it's up to you:NoData.cab or Hd Tweak...and I'm sure even others utilities work aswell.
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If you activate wifi the wm will use this
instead 3g. right know i post from td2
and i use wifi and the gsm it is still active bu not in use

Ok, and what steps did you take to achieve this?

sualc said:
Ok, and what steps did you take to achieve this?
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i try it right know to be sure.
I have SPB monitor instaleted to verify the traffic.
If 3G it's active and you enable WIFI the application it will use 3G.
If the 3G it's close and open WIFI the application it will use WIFI and don't open 3G.

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Or you simply delete the settings for 3g conections
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So it's not about "deleting" anything, you're just using another application (costs USD$19.95). May be a solution

You understand me wrong.
First solution about deleting the connection was the simplest one if you want to use only WIFI.
Second : "I have SPB monitor instaleted to verify the traffic."
I use this app ONLY to verify and to be sure were the app goes to made traffic not for directing the app.
SPB Monitor tell you if you have one or more connections how much traffic you made...
and I see what I tell you if I have 3G closed and WIFI activated the traffic was made on WIFI and 3G remain closed.
But if you have 3G connected and start after that WIFI the 3G will made the traffic.

OK I understand, may I ask you again what are the steps for your first solution?

1. if you don't want to warry about 3G connection and you don't want to use it.
-"Connection setup/menu" disable auto configuration
-"Connections/manage existing connections" and delete all the connections
- enable WIFI and all the programs will use WIFI(will be the single way)
2. If you want to use 3G and WIFI
-when you use WIFI be sure/verify the 3G connection it's closed(click on the status bar-signal strenght icon and if it's active disable it)
-afterthat enable WIFI
Otherwise if 3G it's active will be the first option for applications to acces the internet.
Try to enable Autodisconect (ADV CONFIG or HDtweak) of data connection after you use it to disconnect automatically for you.
I hope I help you.

Solution 1 doesn't work here,wasted a couple of euros ..back to my good ooold system.

i still can't disable it, i just bomb $400 for activating gprs ..
new to WM phone , so ... kinda slow .

If you only want to use wireless all the time, try the following:
Go to Start | Settings | Connections
Click on Connections icon
Click on Advanced tab
Click on Select Networks button
Programs that automatically connect to Internet should use
My Work Network
Programs that automatically connect to a private network should use
My Work Network
Cheers to SEX1 on whirlpool...

XClemX said:
If you only want to use wireless all the time, try the following:
Go to Start | Settings | Connections
Click on Connections icon
Click on Advanced tab
Click on Select Networks button
Programs that automatically connect to Internet should use
My Work Network
Programs that automatically connect to a private network should use
My Work Network
Cheers to SEX1 on whirlpool...
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Hi, will this solution also fix my issue? My issue being:
-No dataplan, but do not want do disable/delete 3g/gsm, because I still want to use it sporadically on the road, and recieve MMS. But only when I choose to manually.
-At the same time, I want the automatic updates of weather, push-email, stock and such, but ONLY when I'm in a known WLAN.
In simple terms, I want to deny the 3g/E/H from automatically connecting, without deleting them. At the same time, wifi should be allowed to automatically connect, and update selected services.
Is this possible?

Autoconnect to Wifi instead of GPRS

This might be a simple question. Is there a way to let HD automatically connect to Wifi instead of GPRS when any data connection is necessary?
For example,
1. in the TF3D Weather - hitting the 'Update Now' will get you connected to GPRS if Wifi is not already connected.
2. in the mail inboxes, when hitting the 'send/receive' will get you connected to GPRS if wifi is not already connected.
Won't it be great if it's smart enough to first turn on wifi, if not available, then go to GPRS?
Perhaps this is already out there but I just couldn't find it having used Hermes, TyTn and now HD.

Well personally for security (and other reasons - such as battery life) I don't want wifi connecting unless i know about it. But it could be an option I guess.

I always has tried to do this, and I was unable, I think it isn't possible. Maybe is there a software to do this... But I couldn't find it.

If you use No Data you can toggle off GPRS & WAP, then everytime you want to update weather, stock etc you just need to turn on wifi

Nodata
Well, I do have nodata.cab. The issue is more of the sequence and autoconnect. With nodata.cab, one do have to
1. gesture to navigate to the communication manager
2. turn on wifi
3. gesture/select the inbox
4. hit the menu/select the send/receive.
I was wondering if the 'send/receive' command already triggers something to goto GPRS, perhaps there is a way configure for send/receive to turn on wifi just like gprs and then retrieve the mail. And when the wifi doesn't find anything, go to gprs? Perhaps some type of program to let user set the sequence/preference of data connection?
Perhaps there is already something that can do that, I just couldn't find it.

rotaflex said:
Well, I do have nodata.cab. The issue is more of the sequence and autoconnect. With nodata.cab, one do have to
1. gesture to navigate to the communication manager
2. turn on wifi
3. gesture/select the inbox
4. hit the menu/select the send/receive.
I was wondering if the 'send/receive' command already triggers something to goto GPRS, perhaps there is a way configure for send/receive to turn on wifi just like gprs and then retrieve the mail. And when the wifi doesn't find anything, go to gprs? Perhaps some type of program to let user set the sequence/preference of data connection?
Perhaps there is already something that can do that, I just couldn't find it.
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Haven't heard of anything like this unfortunately. Nearest thing I can think of is NoDataInRoaming.
Let me know how you get on with it
Rick

nodatainroaming worked a treat for me rick. thanks

disabling data on sgs

ive found some where on this forum on how to turn off the data connection
here our to steps
Try this:
1. Type *#*#4636#*#* on your dial pad
2. Select "Phone Information"
3. Press "Menu" soft key
4. Select "More"
5. Select "Disable Data on Boot"/ or just disable data
6. Reboot
Now data should be disabled (you won't see E/3G icons in the notification bar) and you can use WiFi whenever you want.
Credit doesn't go to me some one eles on the forum just wanted to repost as i cant find and some people might find this useful

i do it that way to, but it only works until you do Reboot
it doesn't save the changes
after the phone reboots, you have to go back into the menu to manually turn data off.

So much work. Use APNdroid and a widget on your homescreen to endable/disable. And yes, it does save even after reboots.

Still worthwhile
Here's a good reason why an automated way of using this service menu option would be a good idea:
APNDroid (and similar programs) 'disable' data connection by adding additional characters to the APN information of your phone. They, therefore, don't disable data connection, they merely invalidate the APN information.
What happens though is that the phone still tries to connect to the GPRS/3G network, using the invalidated information. On my network, Vodafone UK, enabling the APN later again (i.e., putting the valid information back) does not lead to switching the GPRS/3G connection back!! Only switching on/off the airplane mode switches back on the cellular data connection!
My guess why: invalidating the APN information (and the phone using this information to attempt connecting) leads to a sequence of GPRS attachment requests being sent to the (cellular) network. Some operators might react to these requests by disabling any future attempt of attaching to the network - a denial-of-service prevention, if you will. When you switch APNdroid (or similar) back on, the cellular attachment has been disabled on the operator side (since you've been sending invalid attachment requests). Switching airplane mode on/off re-attaches you from scratch to the cellular network - GPRS/3G will work again!
I observe this behaviour on my and my wife's phone consistently IF the cellular connectivity has been disabled for more than 60 minutes (possibly a timeout set by Vodafone UK). We tried several APN switching programmes.
When using the service menu switch, you can use your connectivity at any time - no airplane mode switching required. Problem though is that the menu selection is far more complicated than the airplane mode switching ;-)
So what's required is a programmer's work to create an automated (widget-based) switch, using this menu!!!!
BTW: my friend's Hero has an HTC-provided widget, doing exactly that. He's never observed any issues with it, as described above.

Has anyone tried DCswitch+ it supposedly doest exactly that - disabling the dta connection via service menu.

blublub said:
Has anyone tried DCswitch+ it supposedly doest exactly that - disabling the dta connection via service menu.
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Yes, tested it work like advertised.
thanks man.

That's very handy. Thanks for the tip.

Hi,
I don't know if it uses the service menu but Smoda widget doesn't change the apn string and does switch off the data connection, saving me great amount of battery time. I'll have a look at DCswitch+ and try to compare.

there is an even easier method just install the app APN on-off Widget
link here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=765081

AllGamer said:
there is an even easier method just install the app APN on-off Widget
link here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=765081
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But this also only renames the apn, right? It is mentioned in the comments... If so, it will not help to save battery, like the method of the first post.

you can use SP if the goal is to save battery
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=807989

I'm on froyo and you just long press the power button and one of the options is disable data connection !
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[Q]Autosync on FlightMode

hi, i have a Froyo HTC Desire there's a couple of thing I want to know.
I usually have a lot of correspondence via email (especially multiple gmail accounts) and i use my phone primarily when at home or on the go.
i set autosync and background data enabled all the time and set to update on very little intervals.
next, at work, i'll be relocated to a spot in the office that doesn't get any 3g/2g reception at all. and since i can access my mail through PC, i'm planning to just switch my phone to Flight mode while on my desk.
now my question. i've read a hundred times that Autosync eats a lot of jiuce. IF I put my phone in flight mode, and have no active connections or means to connect to any network, will Autosync still persist on connecting / syncing and drain my battery? or do i also have to manually turn background sync and autosync off?
if yes, is there an app that will disable Autosync persistence if flightmode is on or wifi/APN is off?
thanks in advance
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Hi,
If I understand correctly you want to switch off any data communication of your phone.
I use a combination :
Sync Settings Version 1.0 - Free App
It places on your desktop a widget with 4 options.
wifi - on\off
Blu Tooth - on\off
Gps - on\off
Sync - Enable ..lets apps sync (incl Gmail.) Disable it disallows.
Brightness - quick controll over screen brightness
The second App I use is the DCSwitch - Free App
Creator described it best:
Code:
DCSwitch turns your data channel on/off to save battery power and/or bytes on a limited data plan.
Similar apps mangle the APN list of your phone, potentially leaving it with corrupt entries.
DCSwitch uses android's undocumented services to enable/disable the data connection in a clean, mean and concise manner.
With usig both of this apps ive been able to boost my battery life Alot. Also save some money on traffic.
Hope this helps you.
rgrds!