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Sorry..but I find the Athena lacking...

? Video Playback format: H.263, MPEG4, & WMV
? 5~8 fps @ VGA decoding for H.263 & MPEG4
? Min. 30 fps @ QVGA decoding for H.263 & MPEG4
? Combined Bit Rate: 64Kbps (playback)
? Video scaling up to full VGA display
This info was taken directly from the Service manual Mike Channon so kindly provided us with. Thanks again.
However, if this info is anything to go buy, we are in serious trouble. Can anyone see something between the lines that I'm missing here?
Apparently WMP supports the Imageon Hardware, right? But at what fps for VGA encoded vids? 5 ~ 8 fps?
Are they nuts!! Or am I?? No wonder the Athena can't handle VGA vids. thus re-emphasizing the absolute need for the hardware decoder (Imageon), to help or even better, take over the processing/decoding of the vids.
This is not good news!
Combined bit rate of 64 kbps!! OK that does it, they are nuts! Should have trusted my instincts from the beginning. If a device can only record with a limited bitrate and resolution for video, that's indicative of its decoding abilities too.
Like I said QVGA resolution of 320x240 or even slightly higher @ 480x320 will return satisfactory results, but anything above that will strain the Athena's resources.
And yes, whilst using TCPMP or even WMP10 are able to cope with more than what the service manual states, it doesn't look like it's supposed to.
Lastly, I think encoding AMR Audio and MPEG4 H.263 (ASP - NOT H.264 AVC) might yield better performance in higher resolution videos, as this is supposedly supported by the Imageon hardware decoder.
I'm seriously NOT impressed. Its about time that HTC the world leaders in PPC manufacturing started thinking about making devices with a dedicated 3D/Video accelerator to completely alleviate the strain of the main CPU when it comes to 3D Graphics rendering (whether for TomTom or Games) or Video playback.
The soon to be released HTC Kaiser is a step in the right direction with its Qualcomm 7200 dual-processor (one for phone and one exclusively for applications), but it's still not good enough.
The o2 Flame had the right idea with its Nvidia 3D Mobile CPU and 520 MHz CPU, but apparently it doesn't work as well as expected.
The Dell x51v still outperforms the Athena by an embarrassingly large margin for video playback and their 2700 3D processor still outperforms every other PDA ever made!! If only they had a Phone application to boot, I'd have one of them.
I get it now, the Athena and these new devices coming out every five minutes are very good, but being an all-in-one solution was never the goal of the manufacturers now was it?
It's always been about the money and always will be.
I'd love to get a group of developers, programers and hardware gurus together (with specialist knowledge) and improve on the Athena, because I think it is the best base model PPC to take things to another level, but even if I had the cash....the likes of HTC would bury us in a second and release something that would blow our efforts so far out of the water before we could manufacture the prototype.LoL
At least it would kick start these greedy companies to start giving us end users what is already available, but combine it into one device...as opposed to giving us snippets of new technology one device after another.
Just my 2 cents worth.

I still think that the biggest disappointment is that ATI won't tell "us" how to use the hardware decoder...
The figures in the service manual could just be a result of HTC not testing the video support fully...
And after all: Its main purpose is not to be a device for playing video. That's just a bonus...

the joke is that although the athena can be made to play decent xvids after lots of tweaking , my 2 year old PSP blows it away for reliabilty
(lip synch comes to mind) and the picture quality matches and often betters it esp at the higher PMP and AVC resolutions.
I Think THE only true Way forward is the UMPC route I.e. Shift type device. Sadly it appears the idiots have dropped VOICE and GPRS from this machine

spacecat said:
the joke is that although the athena can be made to play decent xvids after lots of tweaking , my 2 year old PSP blows it away for reliabilty
(lip synch comes to mind) and the picture quality matches and often betters it esp at the higher PMP and AVC resolutions.
I Think THE only true Way forward is the UMPC route I.e. Shift type device. Sadly it appears the idiots have dropped VOICE and GPRS from this machine
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Agree with you totally on this spacecat. The PSP's 16million pixel screen is the nuts and it's hard to find any pixelation in movie playback even at QVGA encoded vids.
@ wgary. I hear you, but its not only business users they should aim these devices at. Internet and e-mail is now so commonplace as well as mobile phone technology, that they should be aiming at a wider audience.
It wouldn't surprise me if Sony made more sales with the PSP than HTC with their last 5 devices! Why? because Sony tries to give people what they want, whilst WM devices give us what we need. Just wish these tech giants would learn from each other and bring us true 'Ultimate' devices based on all these meta-technologies.
Blow the retail cost to the consumer. People will always buy what they want and there will always be those who can afford it and those that can't just at the minute. I'm happy enough to fall into the latter category as long as the tech develops into this area.

mackaby007 said:
Agree with you totally on this spacecat. The PSP's 16million pixel screen is the nuts and it's hard to find any pixelation in movie playback even at QVGA encoded vids.
@ wgary. I hear you, but its not only business users they should aim these devices at. Internet and e-mail is now so commonplace as well as mobile phone technology, that they should be aiming at a wider audience.
It wouldn't surprise me if Sony made more sales with the PSP than HTC with their last 5 devices! Why? because Sony tries to give people what they want, whilst WM devices give us what we need. Just wish these tech giants would learn from each other and bring us true 'Ultimate' devices based on all these meta-technologies.
Blow the retail cost to the consumer. People will always buy what they want and there will always be those who can afford it and those that can't just at the minute. I'm happy enough to fall into the latter category as long as the tech develops into this area.
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i wanted a cheaper PS3...sony never gave me that

Mackaby007,
I find it difficult to comprehend your disappointment.
You're getting too technical into this. Just enjoy watching the excellent movie quality of this device instead of counting the fps, would you? This is not a home theatre system for goodness sake. Also, the service manual may be just talking about the minimum critieria, rather than the actual performance, which could differ from unit to unit, just like some unit is able to overclock better than the others but officially set at a lower rate.
Look at the video that you posted. It is absolutely amazing. It is still not good enough, I think you're being too picky. Look at the 90% full, not 10% empty in this glass!

eaglesteve said:
Mackaby007,
I find it difficult to comprehend your disappointment.
You're getting too technical into this. Just enjoy watching the excellent movie quality of this device instead of counting the fps, would you? This is not a home theatre system for goodness sake. Also, the service manual may be just talking about the minimum critieria, rather than the actual performance, which could differ from unit to unit, just like some unit is able to overclock better than the others but officially set at a lower rate.
Look at the video that you posted. It is absolutely amazing. It is still not good enough, I think you're being too picky. Look at the 90% full, not 10% empty in this glass!
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for around £650 for what is basically a phone with extras expectations are justifiably HIGH!
you would think the machine could at least run movies at its OWN full resolution wouldnt you? I love my Athena in many ways but it still has some unjustifable issues, especially as it has a ATI chip that should be able to run movies decently an without lip synch errors
It shouldnt be such HARD work

I still blame ATI for most of our video problems.
However, I am now (after mackaboy helped me out) more satisfied with my Athena as a video device than I am with my Archos AV420 (which is a dedicated video-playing device). The screen on the Athena is bigger, and it supports more formats.

For me, size and shape of the screen and the fact that it is part of a all encompassing device, is far far more important than whether of not it drop a frame. In most cases, the source of my download is already very far from perfect, so it makes no sense to think about frame drop. I could not tell if there is any frame drop in most cases, as they look so perfect to me already. Being too concerned with that would only kill your enjoyment If I am after real good quality video and sound, I would'nt be watching it on this device. I'll be using my home theatre system and treat my senses with real subwolfer, AC-3 sound effect, and real high definition pictures. This is not to say that I accept any quality movies on the device. I'm saying that it is more than adequate already.

eaglesteve said:
For me, size and shape of the screen and the fact that it is part of a all encompassing device, is far far more important than whether of not it drop a frame. In most cases, the source of my download is already very far from perfect, so it makes no sense to think about frame drop. I could not tell if there is any frame drop in most cases, as they look so perfect to me already. Being too concerned with that would only kill your enjoyment If I am after real good quality video and sound, I would'nt be watching it on this device. I'll be using my home theatre system and treat my senses with real subwolfer, AC-3 sound effect, and real high definition pictures. This is not to say that I accept any quality movies on the device. I'm saying that it is more than adequate already.
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as I said my psp can blow it away for quality and reliabilty and it costs
only 100 pounds and is over 2 years old. its not good enough

OK guys let's not get into an argument, we are all just expressing our opinions and in some cases, venting as I didn't get what was advertised on the box and I paid heavily to have this unit. Thanks spacecat, you summed it up perfectly.
Moskus, your right too. It is down to the ATI chip, but the Hermes got fixed through the AKU 3.5 ROM etc with some tweaks, I think we'll get there in the end.
@eaglesteve. Whilst I respect your right to express your views and sometimes agree with them too, I simply disagree with you on this. Spacecat really hit the nail on the head in his post about cost of device vs incapability to play vis at its own resolution.
Let's not get it twisted either, just because these devices were aimed at mostly business people on the move etc.....the software certainly isn't.
Personally, my Athena is my personal all-in-one Mobile-communication/GPS entertainment System. That is why I bought it, because the specs and HTC's own write up advertised it as such. As it's not performing to expectation (only in this video department), I am disappointed eaglesteve. It is a main part of why I bought it and relates to what I do for a living. Not being picky mate.
Anyway, no offense taken. Just want to clarify why I'm always on about video playback. I'm hoping to hear back from Betaboy about what is really needed from ATI/AMD so maybe us paying customers can put a petition together or use whatever resources we have as a community to put pressure on either HTC or ATI/AMD to give us the needed info so Corecodec or another developer can solve this once and for all.
As Moskus always says, it is down to the Imageon Chip.
Peace my friends.

I don't really understand what all the fuss is about re video playback on the Athena. I have a very large collection of divx and xvid movies and TV series, mostly downloaded from torrents. I simply download them, copy to the microdrive, and watch them (using tcpmp) with no problems. The picture is crystal clear, no stuttering, and I have no problems with the audio lagging.
I can't tell you about framerates or benchmarks as I've never needed to tweak TCPMP, it always looks fine.
So there is at least one satisfied customer re videos on the Athena - me!

Each to their I guess, but I'm plodding on.
Pantaloonie said:
I don't really understand what all the fuss is about re video playback on the Athena. I have a very large collection of divx and xvid movies and TV series, mostly downloaded from torrents. I simply download them, copy to the microdrive, and watch them (using tcpmp) with no problems. The picture is crystal clear, no stuttering, and I have no problems with the audio lagging.
I can't tell you about framerates or benchmarks as I've never needed to tweak TCPMP, it always looks fine.
So there is at least one satisfied customer re videos on the Athena - me!
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Happy for you Some of us are perfectionists though, and I've seen 640x480 VGA encoded vids from High def sources and believe me its as good to look at as High Def on a top end PC screen. The detail you see changes your viewing pleasure...it's like the difference between DVD's and Ultra High def in a mobile screen.
All those who have not experienced this quality wouldn't really appreciate what I'm talking about.
Nothing in life is perfect, but striving for perfection and falling short of it is still better than accepting what we already have.
Isn't that how progress works? It certainly does for me and I've never been displeased with my results after I've giving it my best.
If you're happy with what you have, then really, that is great and you are a lucky man/woman, but I always like to push the boat out that little bit more.
Can't remember who just posted to this effect about prefering the Athena to their dedicated Archos, but that is very pleasing to hear and quite encouraging.
P.S. I had perfect HQ vids on a 200 MHz Omap based WM5 QVGA device with no issues at all! Why is it so unreasonable for me to want the same from a 624 MHz CPU with a Video accelerator on a VGA screen? hmmm?

mackaby007,
You are like an ungrateful mad scientist Just kidding, but I am with you on this and I do understand what you are saying. Let me try to keep it short and sweet.
You also made an excellent point that a lot people might have missed. We can't all be experts and our development cycles are different. Some of us set higher expectations and achieve greater goals which is the reason why there are not too many Bill Gates in the world.
Nonetheless, I would like to see better picture too because this device was more expensive than my PS3 which I enjoy watching BD-DVD movies on a 70'' 1080P TV.

yep i agree my universal was far superior for playing vids and the keyboard was better but ths device is amazing and untill the htc x9500 is released im happy in general. seams strange to take a step back instead of forward for improvements but its all down to money and marketing the upcoming shift and x9500 are basicly the same device under the hood just a different exterior shell but they disable the voice on the shift and enable it on the x9500 just so they can sell the same device twice but repackaged.

spzero said:
yep i agree my universal was far superior for playing vids and the keyboard was better but ths device is amazing and untill the htc x9500 is released im happy in general. seams strange to take a step back instead of forward for improvements but its all down to money and marketing the upcoming shift and x9500 are basicly the same device under the hood just a different exterior shell but they disable the voice on the shift and enable it on the x9500 just so they can sell the same device twice but repackaged.
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Interesting....never heard of the x9500.

lpsi2000 said:
mackaby007,
You are like an ungrateful mad scientist Just kidding, but I am with you on this and I do understand what you are saying. Let me try to keep it short and sweet.
You also made an excellent point that a lot people might have missed. We can't all be experts and our development cycles are different. Some of us set higher expectations and achieve greater goals which is the reason why there are not too many Bill Gates in the world.
Nonetheless, I would like to see better picture too because this device was more expensive than my PS3 which I enjoy watching BD-DVD movies on a 70'' 1080P TV.
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Well said and it was short and to the point.

basically it comes down to bang for buck.
A £650 machine that is outclassed by a 2 year old machine at £100 does not offer bang for buck in terms of Video playback.
I really enjoy my Ameo esp the big screen for HSDPA surfing, streaming my live TV and videos from my home PC via Orb, reading books via pdf,music, etc etc
but you would think if it has a 640x480 screen and they promote this fact bigstyle then it should be able to display video at this resolution
I would be very interested in a shift type device as long as it also has Phone functionality, .............................
hmmm will it suppport 800x600 resolution video ..oh dear

spzero said:
yep i agree my universal was far superior for playing vids and the keyboard was better but ths device is amazing and untill the htc x9500 is released im happy in general. seams strange to take a step back instead of forward for improvements but its all down to money and marketing the upcoming shift and x9500 are basicly the same device under the hood just a different exterior shell but they disable the voice on the shift and enable it on the x9500 just so they can sell the same device twice but repackaged.
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Hi spzero,
So you mean that shift and shangrila are slightly different machine? There are conflicting news on this it seems. Some says they are the same, some say they are different. Do you have a link to your source of info please?
Thanks and cheers.

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hardware but no software. The UK "FMRadio.apk" version will not work on American
Versions of the Smartphone. Hopefully a New FMRadio.apk Will be hacked & altered
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Screen Size: 480 x 800 pixels, 4.0 Inches (Height)
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Music: MP3, WAV, WMA, & FLAC!! (See Media Support at The bootom Of The Page)
Headphone: 3.5 mm Audio Jack (Doubles For TV Out)
TV Out Port: 3.5 mm Audio/Video Jack For TV Out (Many Cables Work!!)
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some infor I found online, interesting.
there is no doubt they far outrank every single phone out there in so many ways!
#1 - Screen; 100,000:1 compared to iPhone4's 800:1 Real World contrast ratio. But it's the response time that kicks every phone on the planet to the curb being 0.01ms. Which is as close to instantaneous as you can get. Especially compared to iPhone4's snail response time of 25ms. Why is this so important? Because these phones are NOT eReaders!
If you want a over rated ereader, then iP4 is your best choice. If what you want is a Multimedia Phone then Samsung's Super AMOLED is your BEST CHOICE. Play games or watch action movies? Super AMOLEAD!
http://cfile27.uf.tistory.com/original/140B801A4C183C762FE807
(note: the original page this graph is from destroys the myth of higher pixel density. It explains that in the fall when 2.2 Android is available for Galaxy Series phones SVG vectored fonts (resolution free 300dpi) and higher dpi icons will shed a new light on the subject. Also it relates to the sweet spot view distance for the screen size)
#2 - Samsung makes 50% of the cost of all parts in iPhone4. In so doing, they've strived to put better parts into their own phones while Apple went CHEAP. Hummingbird blows Apple A4 away merely by having the full Arm Neon Multimedia Engine and OS support programed into Android. But not fully deployed until Android 2.2. On top of that you have the first time the SGX540 GPU has been put in a device. It can display 3x what the iP4 or any other phone out can at 90million Triangles/p/sec and with that Super AMOLED screen, when 2.2 comes out it'll get all phones to the curb.
#3 - Samsung has the newest and best radios out. Compared to any other device. First phone to have WiFi Direct b/g/n, Bluetooth 3.0 (10x speed of iP4's BT2.1), DLNA Media Server and w/ Android 2.2 full OS support for all these. 3G/4G Baseband Radio w/ Full VOIP (Voice/Video) supported radio. Meaning when Google/GIPS HD Video Conferencing is released for Galaxy, they will have Facetime's Engine running on hardware capable of using it over 3G/4G (btw Facetime is running GIPS Engine). Galaxy has TV-Video Out via it's headphone jack. Cameras both have Smile and Face detection. 5mp camera has outstanding low light capability and again when 2.2 comes out dramatic changes will come into use with it's ambient light sensing abilities and auto backside lighting effects. Adobe is expanding the features of it's Photoshop Mobile for Android. Of course there is more on the way in features that are hidden at this time, but you've made a great choice if you own one of these Galaxy Series Phones!!!
Another one
[email protected] It's in the combo radio, but I'm not sure that it's active until Android 2.2 update for support. If not then it'll get the update in the fall. That's what I gathered from a Korean site. That support was coming and that some surprises having to do with high res fonts and icon in an update soon. That would show off the Super AMOLED's Resolution (a swipe at Retina, because it's the 300dpi fonts Apple's using that are making it look sharper for reading along w/ extremely high dpi icons. Compared to Android's low res icons and low dpi non SVG converted to SVG fonts (for vectored Resolution Free fonts).
I've seen other mentions of the radio referred to as FM RDS so that would mean something about it being capable of receiving road construction bulletins, etc.
http://reviews.cnet.com/2300-12261_7-10002899-20.html?s=0&o=10002899
This is Broadcom page on the part number from the tear down:
http://www.broadcom.com/products/Bluetooth/Bluetooth-RF-Silicon-and-Software-Solutions/BCM20751
Samsung Galaxy Series phones are the first to receive this WiFi Direct capable SoC and some interesting things are coming from other features in it too.
FM Radio w/RDS and FM Recording as well in Wave. So Bada supports more features than Android does as yet. Same chis in both though!
http://www.careace.net/2010/06/08/comparison-of-iphone-4-vs-samsung-wave-and-samsung-galaxy-s/
Note: All Action Graphics, Games, etc in the future are going to look far better on Super AMOLED Galaxy than iPhone or any other LCD or AMOLED Screen. Because of the super fast response time and contrast ratio and the fact NO IPS LCD has a chance in hell of competing with it. iPhone's abysmal 25ms is more like the first desktop LCD screens in speed. Fast action Games & Video will ghost and display irregularly. Especially since the Galaxy has been designed for the future w/ that 3x the display capability of iPhones SGX535 GPU at 90million Triangles/per/sec rendering speeds. Which is the reason it can put up HD 720p graphics over WiFi Direct DLNA or BlueTooth 3.0 DLNA to your HDTV. This is the reason they did not bother putting in an HDMI out port. Also because HDMI restricts graphics w/ HDCP. DLNA doesn't restrict anything being a wireless broadcast in the first place and being both Wifi 2.4ghz and 5.0ghz (unlike iPhone4, etc's 2.4ghz ONLY)!
My plan is to buy either the DirectTV Google Box or the Logitech GoogleTV Box. They are going to be WiFi Direct (I believe dual band as well). Along with Bluetooth 3.0 DLNA capable. This feature can auto Sync and because of it's extremely fast speed (faster than Wifi G or N) and low 6 to 30ft range it will not conflict with any other signals. Bluetooth 3.0 DLNA is the FUTURE!

Sorry, Long time lurker first time poster. There seems to be alot of misinformation in the previous two posts feel free to correct me as well...
Preech2003 said:
SUPER SPECS For All Models Of Samsungs "Galaxy S" Android OS SmartPhone Line:
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-U Can Buy 2 Versions of this phone Either an 8GB or 16GB Internal Memory Storage
The Fascinate for Verizon will only have 2GB and the Epic 4G for Sprint only has 1GB of internal memory.
-This phone has the HIGHEST SIZE of storage capacity of any phone on the American
Market today with 16GB!! Internal Memory For Movies, Videos, Pictures, Anything!
& Has 2GB For Just Android Market Apps Only..WOW!!! & SDCard Slot With 32GB MAX!!
combined all together to give U 50GB of storage Space (48GB Not Including App
storage.
I don't know about the others but the Vibrant does NOT have an extra 2GB of memory for apps. The internal memory reserved for apps is subtracted from the 16GB of internal storage. I believe it is something like 1.8Gb for apps/14.2GB storage. Therefore it does have a maximum of 48GB of storage.
-The phones claim to have 720p HD recording but actually have 1280p Super Mobile HD
Recording!!. This feature can be changed in the camcorder settings Menu
Care to walk me through how to get this? I can't find it.
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boodies said:
some infor I found online, interesting.
Which is the reason it can put up HD 720p graphics over WiFi Direct DLNA or BlueTooth 3.0 DLNA to your HDTV. This is the reason they did not bother putting in an HDMI out port. Also because HDMI restricts graphics w/ HDCP. DLNA doesn't restrict anything being a wireless broadcast in the first place and being both Wifi 2.4ghz and 5.0ghz (unlike iPhone4, etc's 2.4ghz ONLY)!
You realize that you don't have to have HDCP with HDMI right? DLNA and HDMI are not the same thing and DLNA does honor DRM. Don't believe me? Try and play Avatar via DLNA to anything aside from the phone, you can't. Why? Because of DRM. Additionally the phones do not do wifi in the 5Ghz band.
My plan is to buy either the DirectTV Google Box or the Logitech GoogleTV Box. They are going to be WiFi Direct (I believe dual band as well). Along with Bluetooth 3.0 DLNA capable. This feature can auto Sync and because of it's extremely fast speed (faster than Wifi G or N) and low 6 to 30ft range it will not conflict with any other signals. Bluetooth 3.0 DLNA is the FUTURE!
Might want to rethink your plan as Bluetooth 3.0 is not faster than either G or N. It has a maximum theoretical speed of up to 24Mbs.
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since when does the captivate have led flash?
I havn't seen this or heard this anywhere, and I see no flash on it when I check on google.

boodies said:
some infor I found online, interesting.
there is no doubt they far outrank every single phone out there in so many ways!
#1 - Screen; 100,000:1 compared to iPhone4's 800:1 Real World contrast ratio. But it's the response time that kicks every phone on the planet to the curb being 0.01ms. Which is as close to instantaneous as you can get. Especially compared to iPhone4's snail response time of 25ms. Why is this so important? Because these phones are NOT eReaders!
If you want a over rated ereader, then iP4 is your best choice. If what you want is a Multimedia Phone then Samsung's Super AMOLED is your BEST CHOICE. Play games or watch action movies? Super AMOLEAD!
http://cfile27.uf.tistory.com/original/140B801A4C183C762FE807
(note: the original page this graph is from destroys the myth of higher pixel density. It explains that in the fall when 2.2 Android is available for Galaxy Series phones SVG vectored fonts (resolution free 300dpi) and higher dpi icons will shed a new light on the subject. Also it relates to the sweet spot view distance for the screen size)
#2 - Samsung makes 50% of the cost of all parts in iPhone4. In so doing, they've strived to put better parts into their own phones while Apple went CHEAP. Hummingbird blows Apple A4 away merely by having the full Arm Neon Multimedia Engine and OS support programed into Android. But not fully deployed until Android 2.2. On top of that you have the first time the SGX540 GPU has been put in a device. It can display 3x what the iP4 or any other phone out can at 90million Triangles/p/sec and with that Super AMOLED screen, when 2.2 comes out it'll get all phones to the curb.
#3 - Samsung has the newest and best radios out. Compared to any other device. First phone to have WiFi Direct b/g/n, Bluetooth 3.0 (10x speed of iP4's BT2.1), DLNA Media Server and w/ Android 2.2 full OS support for all these. 3G/4G Baseband Radio w/ Full VOIP (Voice/Video) supported radio. Meaning when Google/GIPS HD Video Conferencing is released for Galaxy, they will have Facetime's Engine running on hardware capable of using it over 3G/4G (btw Facetime is running GIPS Engine). Galaxy has TV-Video Out via it's headphone jack. Cameras both have Smile and Face detection. 5mp camera has outstanding low light capability and again when 2.2 comes out dramatic changes will come into use with it's ambient light sensing abilities and auto backside lighting effects. Adobe is expanding the features of it's Photoshop Mobile for Android. Of course there is more on the way in features that are hidden at this time, but you've made a great choice if you own one of these Galaxy Series Phones!!!
Another one
[email protected] It's in the combo radio, but I'm not sure that it's active until Android 2.2 update for support. If not then it'll get the update in the fall. That's what I gathered from a Korean site. That support was coming and that some surprises having to do with high res fonts and icon in an update soon. That would show off the Super AMOLED's Resolution (a swipe at Retina, because it's the 300dpi fonts Apple's using that are making it look sharper for reading along w/ extremely high dpi icons. Compared to Android's low res icons and low dpi non SVG converted to SVG fonts (for vectored Resolution Free fonts).
I've seen other mentions of the radio referred to as FM RDS so that would mean something about it being capable of receiving road construction bulletins, etc.
http://reviews.cnet.com/2300-12261_7-10002899-20.html?s=0&o=10002899
This is Broadcom page on the part number from the tear down:
http://www.broadcom.com/products/Bluetooth/Bluetooth-RF-Silicon-and-Software-Solutions/BCM20751
Samsung Galaxy Series phones are the first to receive this WiFi Direct capable SoC and some interesting things are coming from other features in it too.
FM Radio w/RDS and FM Recording as well in Wave. So Bada supports more features than Android does as yet. Same chis in both though!
http://www.careace.net/2010/06/08/comparison-of-iphone-4-vs-samsung-wave-and-samsung-galaxy-s/
Note: All Action Graphics, Games, etc in the future are going to look far better on Super AMOLED Galaxy than iPhone or any other LCD or AMOLED Screen. Because of the super fast response time and contrast ratio and the fact NO IPS LCD has a chance in hell of competing with it. iPhone's abysmal 25ms is more like the first desktop LCD screens in speed. Fast action Games & Video will ghost and display irregularly. Especially since the Galaxy has been designed for the future w/ that 3x the display capability of iPhones SGX535 GPU at 90million Triangles/per/sec rendering speeds. Which is the reason it can put up HD 720p graphics over WiFi Direct DLNA or BlueTooth 3.0 DLNA to your HDTV. This is the reason they did not bother putting in an HDMI out port. Also because HDMI restricts graphics w/ HDCP. DLNA doesn't restrict anything being a wireless broadcast in the first place and being both Wifi 2.4ghz and 5.0ghz (unlike iPhone4, etc's 2.4ghz ONLY)!
My plan is to buy either the DirectTV Google Box or the Logitech GoogleTV Box. They are going to be WiFi Direct (I believe dual band as well). Along with Bluetooth 3.0 DLNA capable. This feature can auto Sync and because of it's extremely fast speed (faster than Wifi G or N) and low 6 to 30ft range it will not conflict with any other signals. Bluetooth 3.0 DLNA is the FUTURE!
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One of the best posts I've ever read so far...kudos bro....

Berserk87 said:
since when does the captivate have led flash?
I havn't seen this or heard this anywhere, and I see no flash on it when I check on google.
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I just checked and my captivate did not grow a flash so that part of the post is clearly wrong.
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Preech2003 said:
-The phones claim to have 720p HD recording but actually have 1280p Super Mobile HD
Recording!!. This feature can be changed in the camcorder settings Menu
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This needs to be corrected before people start bugging out on trying to find something that isn't there.
1280x720 resolution = 720p.

krichek said:
You realize that you don't have to have HDCP with HDMI right? DLNA and HDMI are not the same thing and DLNA does honor DRM. Don't believe me? Try and play Avatar via DLNA to anything aside from the phone, you can't. Why? Because of DRM.
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Really? I streamed Avatar from my phone to my Asus O!Play Air and it looked amazing on my 55" LCD.

KerryG said:
Really? I streamed Avatar from my phone to my Asus O!Play Air and it looked amazing on my 55" LCD.
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I think perhaps I wasn't clear. I was referring to the copy of Avatar that came on the Vibrant.

The screen is amazing and all, but it's still not easy to see when outside, even on max brightness...

blanked said:
The screen is amazing and all, but it's still not easy to see when outside, even on max brightness...
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You need glasses.
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christpuncher said:
You need glasses.
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Straight to the personal insults. Thanks.

Preech2003 said:
-This phone has the HIGHEST SIZE of storage capacity of any phone on the American
Market today with 16GB!
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I'm pretty sure the iPhones come with an option for 32gb
-The phones claim to have 720p HD recording but actually have 1280p Super Mobile HD
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This is an outright lie. 720p is the highest recording option for the Galaxy S
-The Fasinate & Captivate Both Have LED Flash & No American Versions Has a front Facing
camera.
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The Captivate does not have LED flash. As for the Fascinate, who knows?
Internal Storage: 8 GB or 16GB Storage/ 512 MB RAM/ 2GB ROM For Apps Storage!
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2 of the 16gb is dedicated to apps. And if there was an extra 2GB ROM, how would it store apps if it's read only?

A lot of the stuff was opinion based and or just wrong.
And I may have missed something but at first you list 4 models and then keep mentioning how all 3 models have this and that... which 3? And where is the epic?
Less caps and exclamation points please. This is not a place for Billy Mays wanna be commercials. If you are making a post to show the specs, just show the specs, people looking here are mostly the nerdy type who will get more excited by the numbers than THE WORDING LIKE THIS!!!!

just a few corrections:
the fascinate (verizon galaxy) has an LED flash
the epic (sprint galaxy) has a front facing camera and flash
and to hurrpancakes, last time i checked 16gb + 32 gb = 48gb im not sure, but i think there is a chance 48 is a larger number the 32. Can someone please verify that?

engineer14 said:
Can someone please verify that?
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http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=48+>+32

engineer14 said:
just a few corrections:
the fascinate (verizon galaxy) has an LED flash
the epic (sprint galaxy) has a front facing camera and flash
and to hurrpancakes, last time i checked 16gb + 32 gb = 48gb im not sure, but i think there is a chance 48 is a larger number the 32. Can someone please verify that=
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In op's post, he says that it has the most storage of any phone in the market at 16gb. He doesn't mention the 32gb sd card until after he says the highest size thing.
-This phone has the HIGHEST SIZE of storage capacity of any phone on the American
Market today with 16GB!! Internal Memory For Movies, Videos, Pictures, Anything!
& Has 2GB For Just Android Market Apps Only..WOW!!! & SDCard Slot With 32GB MAX!!
combined all together to give U 50GB of storage Space (48GB Not Including App
storage.
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On a side note, the whole original post makes me want to vomit. I don't quite know why.

hurrpancakes said:
On a side note, the whole original post makes me want to vomit. I don't quite know why.
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Probably because it's riddled with typo's, grammar errors, and excessive punctuation?
Also, the storage is "16gb", but in reality you have 1.9gb apps storage, 13.18gb of internal storage, and you lose about 1gb to formatting and marketing (the whole binary vs decimal thing that occurs with computer hard drives affects this device too).

raduque said:
Probably because it's riddled with typo's, grammar errors, and excessive punctuation?
Also, the storage is "16gb", but in reality you have 1.9gb apps storage, 13.18gb of internal storage, and you lose about 1gb to formatting and marketing (the whole binary vs decimal thing that occurs with computer hard drives affects this device too).
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I am thinking of starting a petition to make 2^10 (2 to the power of 10) changed to 1000, but i will need you guys to back me up. whos in!!

christpuncher said:
You need glasses.
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Has, that's funny! I agree. give it few seconds to adjust its colors, and it is very well visible, even in direct sunlight.
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3 Wishes - What would you change?

I love my Nexus One, but like everything, as time goes by and new things come along, there are things I wish were different.
If you had 'three wishes' and could change only three things about the N1, what would it be?
Here's my list
1. By far my first wish would be for more application flash memory. Even with App2SD, there is just not enough space for all the apps I want to install. I'd love to see a minimum of 4GB of app memory.
2. Front Camera. Now that real video conferencing apps and reasonably fast 3G is available, this is a big deal.
3. Screen. We all know how terrible the touch screen is. I get real tired of locking and unlocking to 'reset' the digitizer once it's lost it's mind. While we're replacing the screen, going up to a 4" SuperAMOLED at a little higher res wouldn't hurt. Maybe 960x512 ?
Things I wouldn't change
- The dual, noise canceling mics. This works great.
- The titanium alloy case. Light, sturdy, cool.
- AMOLED. I'll never go back to LCD.
- multiple radio bands. Take it anywhere.
- Bare Android. Keep your UI's and overlays.
***Update***
Now that I've been playing with Darktremor's a2sd script on CM6.1.1, I have to revise my list. Google should really release a code update that allows users to (optionally) do just what DarkTremor's a2sd app does. Truly move the apps and Dalvik cache to the SD card. This really does remove the app memory limitation on the Nexus One. In fact I now have 145 apps installed totaling 256MB !
Note that this does require partitioning your SD card and creating an ext(2/3/4) partition and the whole process is not noob friendly, but if you take your time and do a little research first it's WELL WORTH IT!!
This will make you love your Nexus One again.
Now, about my list.
My new wish to replace the app memory item is:
- USB host mode and additional microUSB host port.
How cool would it be to be able to hook up keyboards, mice, external HD's, even monitors? We already know it can be done, but it would have been nice from the factory.

Actually, I wouldn't care about app space too much, since proper old-fashioned Apps2EXT allows installing as much as I can possibly imagine.
I also wouldn't change the screen size. Absolutely no need to go any larger. And that includes resolution - the only visible resolution artifacts are the result of PenTile AMOLED, and not lack of resolution. No need to make the GPU work much harder.
Things I would change:
1) Digitizer (touchscreen), for obvious reasons.
2) CPU - rebase on 7x30, to get the same CPU with twice faster GPU.
3) Better photo camera.

1. More geebees! Seriously, 4-8GB internal memory should be sufficient until Unreal Engine and id games get ported.
2. Dual-core NVIDIA Tegra 2 processor. Need I say more?
3. Hardware keyboard! I've had my N1 for over 6 months now and still can't get used to virtual keyboards. Swype is nice, but it's not multi-lingual.
Bonus round: Screen size bump to 4 inches would be nice. I find that the optimal size. At the very least an upgrade to a Super AMOLED.

In no particular order:
Better digitizer
More memory
Better speakerphone

Better screen - a cross between the retina display and a super amoled would do me, and with much improved touch screen performance.
Better gpu, coming from a galaxy s that is one thing I miss.
Better camera.
Alreet headphone socket which is actually flush. I really don't want to be buying headphones again to find the phone goes mental when I plug them in (apparently some headphones don't fit in the none flush jack and so the phone gets confused as to whether it's headphones or a headset). Found this out the hard way recently.
More internal app memory, though this isn't such a big deal any more.

3 wishes? i would pay for this...
1. new and BIGGER SCREEN. my eyes are hurting after using a hd2 (thats why im still on the hd2..) atleast 4" would be nice.. but i dont want to leave the 4.3"
2. QSD8x72.
3. erm.. hard to say, the two wishes there are everything i really want.. but probably we need a bit a better battery when if we had QSD8x72
best things on this device are obvious:
- like OP said, the second mic for noise canceling is awsome
- AMOLED is cool, even if the screen is too small
- THE ****IN TRACKBALL, GODDAMN I LOVE IT
- the whole design of the device is awsome
EDIT: oooh i forgot.. 3.5 audio jack on the bottom plz.. at the top just sucks. and get the power key to the other side where the jack now is...

I still have trouble with my wifi connection temporarily dropping after I wake the phone, but I am not sure if that is a hardware or software issue.
I wouldn't mind a line-out jack for audio. Even better would be an HDMI out jack for video capability.
The antenna could be redesigned so the signal wouldn't be affected by hand placement. It's not as bad as some but it could be better.
Overall, though, in terms of design and performance the N1 still rocks for being 11 months old. That is normally eons in terms of the product cycle in this market. I'm so glad I bought two for my wife and I.

-More memory
-Better speakers
-Best digitizer
-SD card slot on outside

My list...
4.3" SAMOLED2 display
Tegra 2 Dual-Core CPU/GPU
Front facing camera

HDMI Out
Printing support (wifi/network)
Desktop Chrome browser....will also need a faster CPU.

1. better speaker
2. Better battery life without changing the size
3. Maybe better camera. Like 12Mp so it can record 1080p.
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x986123 said:
My list...
4.3" SAMOLED2 display
Tegra 2 Dual-Core CPU/GPU
Front facing camera
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Niceee
10chars

Battery life
Better power button. I'm on my second and it too is buggy.
Better external speaker.
Better digitizer is a. Close 4th.

Digitizer. It felt really disappointing to learn that the sensor could only handle two inputs, and crappily at that. I wish it had shipped with one that didn't spaz out whenever the battery was charging.
Camera Button. I'm not a huge photogeek but this would have been a slick feature. Tapping the screen always shakes the camera noticably, and my photos come out blurred. I think a camera button could have limited that.
Front Facing Camera. I think this really would have helped to future-proof the N1; now, if (hopefully when) a video chat protocol is standardized for the Android platform, I'll have to upgrade if I want to be able to utilize it.
I also still have conflict with the capacitive buttons. I like them because they're sleek and sit flush with the screen. However, I dislike them because they don't work when the phone is locked (in case I want to remap the buttons to, say, skip songs).

1. better digitizer (touchscreen)
2. hdmi out
i think the intention of this post was more towards what you would change and not what phone would you rather buy today.. super amoled and tegra are new technologies and weren't available when the nexus was created
what others have been saying:
ffc: i can live without a front facing cam because i can still video call people, the only reason i would ever use video is to show someone something not just so that i can talk face to face
gpu: it's not that bad, it's not the best but it is almost a year old now
camera: decent enough, do you really need 1080p?
battery: that's not really much to do with the phone, all batteries suck

This is tough, I had to cross a few things out:
1) 4" screen without all the current problems
(love the size and weight, but a tiny bit more screen would be nice. and we all know the other problems)
2) Better battery life
(currently have to charge it 2-3 times a day)
3) Better voice recognition
(I'm from Texas but VR hardly understands me. And the more I repeat a phrase, the more it misunderstands the words.)

Cool
I'm impressed, There are actually a lot of good ideas here.
I'm already cobbling them together into my "perfect phone" list.
So far it looks like:
- Vanilla Android 2.2.1+
- Unlocked
- Multiple Radio bands (like the N1)
- Minimum of HSDPA support, HSDPA+ or LTE pref.
- Minimum of 4GB app storage
- MicroSD slot that's accessible without removing battery.
- Front camera
- 5 MP rear camera (I don't care what anyone says, any more than 5MP in a camera with an aperture that small is a bad idea and only done for marketing reasons. It's all about light gathering, not resolution. Think the opposite of DPI as it's used in screens and printers. The lower the camera pixels per inch, the better)
- 720p video at 30fps
- SuperAMOLED screen. LCD is the past, forget it.
- dual core CPU with GFX acceleration
- HDMI output
- FM radio
- Micro USB with host mode option.
Note that these are in addition to all the standard Nexus One features like a titanium allow case, dual microphones, etc.

Megapixel Myth
william tanaya said:
1. better speaker
2. Better battery life without changing the size
3. Maybe better camera. Like 12Mp so it can record 1080p.
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Regarding #3, you've fallen into the megapixel myth. Megapixels don't mean much of anything for most consumer devices. Sure, if you are a pro photographer taking pictures for magazines or billboards, then yes. maybe you need a high MP camera. For everyone else, it's nonsense.
For example, you wished for 12MP to handle 1080p video. but the fact is that full HD, 1920x1080 is only 2MP!
On a cell phone with a tiny camera chip, the less MP, the better. Why? Because this means that each pixel element is larger and therefore can capture more light. This results in better saturation, faster ISO ratings, and better low light capability.
Anything over 5MP in a cell phone is a waste and counter-productive.
Personally I also think 8MP is the limit of diminishing returns on consumer digital cameras, and 12MP for DSLRs.
If you follow digital camera news, you'll find that the biggest push is to put larger image sensors in cameras.

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Tachyon_1 said:
Regarding #3, you've fallen into the megapixel myth. Megapixels don't mean much of anything for most consumer devices. Sure, if you are a pro photographer taking pictures for magazines or billboards, then yes. maybe you need a high MP camera. For everyone else, it's nonsense.
For example, you wished for 12MP to handle 1080p video. but the fact is that full HD, 1920x1080 is only 2MP!
On a cell phone with a tiny camera chip, the less MP, the better. Why? Because this means that each pixel element is larger and therefore can capture more light. This results in better saturation, faster ISO ratings, and better low light capability.
Anything over 5MP in a cell phone is a waste and counter-productive.
Personally I also think 8MP is the limit of diminishing returns on consumer digital cameras, and 12MP for DSLRs.
If you follow digital camera news, you'll find that the biggest push is to put larger image sensors in cameras.
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nice to know that, sounds logic..
ty..^^

[TechDream] What I want the Nexus 3 to be...

Okay, so it's almost 3am as I sit in front of this horribly outdated computer, bored, but deprived of any sense of drowsiness. What better to do before I root my Samsung Nexus S 4G than to start a thread of what I'd want the Nexus 3 to have. Sure, there are other things I could do that would be numerous times better than this one, but I engaged in a few news stories on my Pulse App about some new tech that is coming our way, so this is what I decided on. Feel free to add in some good ideas. Laser beams, shark fins for super-duper galactic reception, retina scanner, etc. Most of what I came up with sounds possible (well, possible to me, but probably because I don't understand much of the complications that'll be in place from trying to squeeze all this power into one device). ANYWAY! On to the dream:
4.3" 1280x720 Super AMOLED Plus HD edge-to-edge capacitive touchscreen with Asahi's Dragontrail glass display
1.5Ghz quad-core 28nm mobile processor with 12-core GPU
2GB 30nm dual channel DDR2 mobile RAM
12MP rear facing camera with full 1080p video recording at 60FPS
LED flash for video recording
Xenon flash for still photos
3MP front facing camera
Proximity Sensor
Ambient Light Sensor
Accelerometer
Gyroscope
Bluetooth 3.0
A-GPS
Digital Compass
802.11 a/b/g/n WiFi
MicroUSB 2.0
3.5mm headphone jack
1930 mAH battery
Noise canceling microphones
Made by Samsung. Why? Because the SGS2 is f*cking sick, they make SAP displays, they're making 30nm DDR2 memory, and because apparently Microsoft makes $5 off every HTC device sold with Android OS. So f*ck that.
Anyway, end of nerd-mode. Just felt like sharing

If I'll carry home a phone like that, my PC will probably kill itself.
I don't need a bigger screen. And mostly, I don't want a bigger phone.
I also think 800x480 (or 854x480 like some Motorola/SE devices) it's a pretty damn good resolution for a 4'' display.
1280x720 it's almost 2.5 times the amount of pixels.
Don't think a 2000mA battery can help so much. :/
Rather, I really hope they take care about battery life in the next generation devices (even NS already perform very well).

Lol, my SNS4G is almost as good as my computer =/ it's pretty sad. I just feel, especially with Super AMOLED Plus, a resolution that high for a 4.3" screen (or even a 4") would just be remarkably amazing. The phone-that-shall-not-be-named has a wonderful display due to the resolution, but I just feel like the size is too small (that's what she said?). So with Samsung's amazing displays, but an HD resolution with just blow my mind! I would seriously throw out my desktop and use my phone for everything.
As for battery life, currently the processors we have now are, I believe 40nm? Maybe 45nm. Such is the Hummingbird. So 28nm, whether is be single, dual, or even quad, would be theoretically insanely battery efficient, especially with such high speed RAM at a low 30nm power. SAP displays also would help with battery life and with dual channel RAM it wouldn't overload and drain the battery.
This is all in theory though. Feel free to punch me and call me a dork, lmao. You are right though, battery tech needs to improve, though I hear they've found some good alternatives that are a great deal better than our current tech.

Battery does need to improve. I'd love to trade my rooted inspire 4G and a brand new Google TV Logitech Revue for the HTC Sensation. I'm so in love with that phone lol.

sheanzyy said:
Battery does need to improve. I'd love to trade my rooted inspire 4G and a brand new Google TV Logitech Revue for the HTC Sensation. I'm so in love with that phone lol.
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How's the Logitech Revue with Google TV working out for you? I really want one, but I'm not sure

EyeslikeOlives said:
How's the Logitech Revue with Google TV working out for you? I really want one, but I'm not sure
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I'm not really sure. It's different. I like accessing the internet/youtube/twitter from my TV, so Google TV is good for that instance. Netflix on it is unbeatable and overall it's nice to own. I don't think it's worth $299 though. I think Google TV is still early and will become something in the months ahead, but I wouldn't pay $299 again. Maybe 150-199$.
The keyboard that it comes with is pretty neat as well.

I think the screen is perfect no need to change 4" is good enough
want htc or sony ericsson to make it
want better and faster processer ofcourse its ganna be upgraded anyway
do not want bigger than nexus s which is current size
must need light notification
need lil better battery life
and some better cameras both front and back
and MUST MUST NEED TO MAKE WORLD PHONE.
other than everything rocks
but this thing need to be changed and must need for next nexus phone

4" is enough for me, super emoled plus, better battery, surround audio speakers, better cameras, better gtalk messenger and a power button placed on the top left of the phone ))
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well, with a 4.3 inch phone, i think the power button is good to go as it is on the nexus s. having it on top makes it hard to press with one hand.
New specs needed apart from the stuff you said:
- fingerprint recognition on the screen
- extra-high capacity antennas so that roaming is no longer needed. you can connect to your network even if u travel abroad

- I want a 4.7" display.
- A freakin notification led already?
- A 6000 mAh battery. No, I don't care about the number. I want it to last for 20 hours of navigation and audio streaming. Maybe solar + motion + humidity trickle charge would help. I want wireless charging, too, anywhere in my house or car.
- Ambient temp/pressure/humidity sensor.
- Full-size holographic keyboard
- Satellite backup for when I don't have a cell signal.
- Stereo speakers that don't sound like crap.
- Usb host.
- I want it to sense eye movement and automatically flip the page when I'm on the last line.
- Print directly to a wifi printer.
- Screen that's transparent when off. Augmented reality? Oh, baby.
- Fully integrated text-to-speech. Read any text displayed on the screen. With auto-scroll.
- Useable OCR.
- On second right, I might keep the 4" screen. Judging by the reach of my thumb when I'm holding it, I'm inclined to agree with Miriam Joire that 4" is the sweet spot. But...
- I want the screen to wrap around the back or retract into a slot in the left edge like a roll top desk, so I can extend it out to 8" for serious reading. (Hey, it's my dream, alright?)
- Forget kickstands. I want a compact magnetic plate desk accessory for electro-magnetic levitation with user-controlled height & angle.
- How about a built-in projector for movies on the fly?
- While we're at it, I want a retractable knife blade and corkscrew, a cigarette lighter, and a Megawatt laser for frying bacon.

sheanzyy said:
I'm not really sure. It's different. I like accessing the internet/youtube/twitter from my TV, so Google TV is good for that instance. Netflix on it is unbeatable and overall it's nice to own. I don't think it's worth $299 though. I think Google TV is still early and will become something in the months ahead, but I wouldn't pay $299 again. Maybe 150-199$.
The keyboard that it comes with is pretty neat as well.
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When it gets 3.1 it will be worth it. I wish the PS3 would get Google TV for a UI.

EyeslikeOlives said:
Okay, so it's almost 3am as I sit in front of this horribly outdated computer, bored, but deprived of any sense of drowsiness. What better to do before I root my Samsung Nexus S 4G than to start a thread of what I'd want the Nexus 3 to have. Sure, there are other things I could do that would be numerous times better than this one, but I engaged in a few news stories on my Pulse App about some new tech that is coming our way, so this is what I decided on. Feel free to add in some good ideas. Laser beams, shark fins for super-duper galactic reception, retina scanner, etc. Most of what I came up with sounds possible (well, possible to me, but probably because I don't understand much of the complications that'll be in place from trying to squeeze all this power into one device). ANYWAY! On to the dream:
4.3" 1280x720 Super AMOLED Plus HD edge-to-edge capacitive touchscreen with Asahi's Dragontrail glass display
1.5Ghz quad-core 28nm mobile processor with 12-core GPU
2GB 30nm dual channel DDR2 mobile RAM
12MP rear facing camera with full 1080p video recording at 60FPS
LED flash for video recording
Xenon flash for still photos
3MP front facing camera
Proximity Sensor
Ambient Light Sensor
Accelerometer
Gyroscope
Bluetooth 3.0
A-GPS
Digital Compass
802.11 a/b/g/n WiFi
MicroUSB 2.0
3.5mm headphone jack
1930 mAH battery
Noise canceling microphones
Made by Samsung. Why? Because the SGS2 is f*cking sick, they make SAP displays, they're making 30nm DDR2 memory, and because apparently Microsoft makes $5 off every HTC device sold with Android OS. So f*ck that.
Anyway, end of nerd-mode. Just felt like sharing
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The only thing I would add to that list is an MHL port and a slightly smaller screen.

MrDrumngun said:
When it gets 3.1 it will be worth it. I wish the PS3 would get Google TV for a UI.
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I completely forgot about that! And didn't they lower the price tag of it to $200? Or was I just dreaming? ._.

The Honest Review of Pixel 4a

!! DISCLAIMER !! : THIS PHONE HAS SUFFERED ~30 DATA WIPES BECAUSE OF CUSTOM ROMS.
My honest review of the Pixel 4a after 3 years of not careless usage. Let's recap and ranking each aspects of this device.
Summary:
• Display:
• Sound:
• Battery:
• Connectivity:
• Hardware:
• Software:
• Camera:
• Development:
• Security:
Overall score: 9/10
Detailed review:
Display: Packed with a 1440p, 60hz OLED screen, this screen is considered the best for people who like me. Even though it has a 60hz screen,but hey, at least I don't get motion sickness.
Sound: This is the BEST speakers I ever heard on a smartphone, beating the JBL GO and any typical car stereos. There is no bass in this phone unfortunately, but the sound quality is .
Battery: 3140mAh is already enough for any usual tasks like TikTok, Whatsapp, or Netflix. Using Adaptive Battery from Google, Pixel can dynamically manage your battery depends on your workload, heck, you can watch Netflix at 480p (poor) longer than you can expect when watching TikTok. Using Google's 30W charger, this phone can charge from 20% to 80% in 20 minutes. On the other hand, battery life has been degraded by 20% after 3 years of usage.
Connectivity: Google also manage your network traffic depends on your workload using Adaptive Connectivity, which means using LTE or Wi-Fi should be pretty okay on this device.
Hardware: Despite 3 years old, 6GB RAM with a Snapdragon 715 is enough for basic workload today. However, I should expect more from Google when giving features to any Snapdragon-based Pixel phones.
Software: Launched with Android 10, upgradable to Android 13 (up until August) is not enough for users who willing to get long-term usage from this phone. But at least you have unlimited photos backup with reduced photo quality..
Camera: THE BEST CAMERA I EVER HAD IN MY LIFE, and the reason why I love Pixel phones so much. Shooting crisp photos, in capable of recording at 4K 30 FPS, this phone is great for photos, but okay for video, because of the 30 FPS cap with 4K. Portrait is great, with many different presets like Color Pop (only make colors visible on the focus object), Black&White (yk what that is),... In video, there are 2 different modes: Standard ( Video Stabilization) and Cinematic Pan. Both of them are great at capturing stable videos. In Night Shift mode, capturing photos at night is no longer a bright light flashing at your face, while it uses AI to enhance the details in the dark. Oh, 1 underrated feature in this Pixel is Photo Sphere, Photo Sphere helps you capture photos in 360° view by taking many different photos and merging together, modes like bird eye view, horizontal, vertical can be found by swipe down from the viewfinder.
Development: I have trouble finding proper trees for this device. Maybe because of my skills or the developer itself?
Security: Titan M is good for encrypting personal data while off or on, and Pixel Imprint (fancy name for the fingerprint scanner)'s response time is okay.
Other: The thing I hate the most about this phone is frequent unresponsive touch on the device, sometimes it goes numb, or some slow to response to touch. The bad thing is, they never patch it. Maybe because of factory defects? Or I dropped 10 times and this happen?
All of this comes in a price of $339 in 2020, now worth $129. Now should you buy it in 2023? No. Simply because this device is already 3 years, and features aren't that really worth it now.
Question..? Feel free it ask here!
Wrote this while on a car trip.
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buy iphone insted this price range is expensive to play with custon rom and wait to develelop apps for it just the name says its new era phone with better design inside i hate google to let someone install it baken rom and manufactura says it can push beta bild ota no worry but put someone odex rom to fresh android gsi builds
phone get 10 to desing and funcions installed

george.washington said:
buy iphone insted this price range is expensive to play with custon rom and wait to develelop apps for it just the name says its new era phone with better design inside i hate google to let someone install it baken rom and manufactura says it can push beta bild ota no worry but put someone odex rom to fresh android gsi builds
phone get 10 to desing and funcions installed
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Did you have a stroke or something

there is only one con and that is the front camera is a joke. i have never seen a front camera so bad like this.

The lack of development for this phone makes me really sad. I feel like it's pretty much the perfect "everyday phone" for lots of people like me who value a great camera and decent battery life in a perfectly sized phone. I still prefer a physical fingerprint scanner over the UDFS in more recent devices, and custom ROMs open up support for stuff like face unlock and general customization that makes the device almost perfect for me