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Wizard and Belkin Pre-N: Incompatible?

I have a new Wizard (O2 XDA Mini S) which refuses to connect to my Belkin Pre-N router.
Despite trying all I can think of, including Encrypt On/Off; WEP, WPA; b/g mixed access; changing Channel and SSID, reset to defaults etc, etc I still get no joy.
I even suspected a hardware fault with the Mini, so had it changed, but the new one is the same.
When I start WiFi, the Mini finds the Router, and requests the WPA key. Once supplied, it just goes back to "Available" in the list of connections; forcing a "connect" shows it trying to connect, but it just returs to "Availabe" again. The network properties shows no connection (no SSID or Channel) and no signal strength.
All my other WiFi clients connect fine- O2 XDA Exec, Toshiba Laptop and another PC client. Even my old Ipaq with jacket connects, so its not a b/g problem.
I've even tried using the 802.11g registry hack cited in another thread to no avail.
The Mini did connect to a BT Openzone Access point this morning, so the capability is there.
Connection settings for the connection are for "The Internet" and the overall network card settings (above the Network adapter list) to "Work", though I did try this with "The Internet" out of frustration.
Any ideas guys?
Neil

I have had the same problem. As soon as I put the hack in I cant connect.
Take the hack off and it connects. Belkin pren adsl router

dalewinterstein said:
I have had the same problem. As soon as I put the hack in I cant connect.
Take the hack off and it connects. Belkin pren adsl router
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Thanks for the advice, but I tried it without the hack first- no go, and have now done a hard reset (I've done so many hard resets I've lost count!)
Everything I try fails. Just about to try the firmware update for the Router.

Sorted- the router firmware update fixed it!

NeilM said:
Sorted- the router firmware update fixed it!
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So you are saying that the router was the one causing the issues, you think, and not the Wizard (MDA)? I have the same issue. Have the hack (g) installed. I was only able to connect once to the my Belkin pre-n...but for some reason cannot get an IP address...ever...

I think it was a combination of the 2 things:
The G HAck on its own did not work, and the firmware update on its own didn't work, but updating the firmware, and using the G hack allowed my Wizard (O2 Mini S ) to connect and it has been fine since.
In fact I've now applied the "Linksys Hack" to my Pre-N Router, so it now thinks its a Linksys and is much more stable generally. If you try it, make sure you reset the Belkin to factory settings before applying the hacked Linksys firmware. Read the relevant forum entries carefully!

yeah. I did the linksys hack as well. I must say that I'm happy about that. it went really well. didn't need to do the factory reset and I only had issues with my dhcp range. but I fixed that.
still no love with the wizard though. do I need to set up a separate connection setting on my wizard? do I have to turn off the phone and the enable wifi? I also have the hack were I have gprs always on....could that be conflicting?
TIA.

The Wizard does seem to have more connecton problems than the Exec (I've had both) as its WiFi hardware is less advanced (based on an older SDIO design rather than fully integrated)
You should not need to turn the phone radio or GPRS off when connecting WiFi, though it might help troubleshooting if you do for establishing the initial connection.
I assume you are using WPA encryption? WEP is a royal pain on WM devices as you have to enter the full 26 character hex encryption key in the WiFi settings control panel- WM2003 and WM5 won't accept WEP passphrases.
If you are using WPA, I'd suggest removing the connection settings for your router on the Wizard, then turning WiFi on again and allowing it to try & connect. If that fails, you need to recheck your network settings.
If you are still having problems, you might like to look at my answer to a simiar query on 4WinMobile Here which worked for that user.

Thanks NeilM. I do have the old school WEP. It IS a pain entering in the Hex string (grumble). I need to check to see if my networked-tivo's can handle WPA...
I will check your other post as well.

Read through your other post. I think it was a "dumb" thing that I did. I changed the "connect to" item on the wireless card from "The Internet" to "Work" and it picked up an IP immediately. Duh...that would make sense if both my GRPS connection and my wifi were going to "the internet"...and thus conflicting, right?

My knowledge of Networking protocols etc is sadly lacking, so I don't know the answer to why this is how things need to be! I suspect all the network cards need to be connected to "Work" because the device has no direct link to "The Internet", and once connected via "Work", the TCP/IP settings take over and route packet calls to "The Internet" via the IP address settings.
Most important thing is that you are now connected!
Hope you can find time to visit 4WinMobile more often now you've found it. It's not intended to be as technically upfront as XDA-Devs, but is a very good inter-personal site with a great spirit, and some pretty good insider knowledge

Belkin pre-n
My MDA Vario would not connect with the original Rom. I was hoping this ROM update (CUSTOM_RUU_Prodigy_2170702_217_20710_TMO_US.exe) found here forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=44631&highlight=mda+vario would allow it to connect but it will still not. I used registry wizard to update the registry settings for Wifi G, but it still will not connect successfully. It seems some roms will work with the Belkin Pre-n. Does any one know which specific rom works with this particular router.

I'm getting desperate here- I can't get my MDA to connect to my Belkin Pre-N. Nothing works. I've got the latest firmware on the router, and I've enabled the "G" hack on the phone.
Anyone have any ideas? I've tried removing all encryption and security and still nothing. I can easily connect to my old Dell TruMobile router, but I don't want to use it because the range is so poor.
Is there anyway to ensure 100% that I've enabled the G hack?

Belkin Pre-n
I finally have my Belkin Pre-n (or linksys SRX clone now) working with my MDA Vario. It would not work with any Belkin firmware or variety of settings, but since its harware is the same as the Linksys SRX you are able to flash the unit to a Linksys clone. As a Linksys clone the Mda Vario connects flawlessly with no trouble. The first Belkin Pre-n I flashed to a linksys bricked the router, so be careful with this. To successfully reflash you must have a version 1 Belkin pre-n not v2 a hex edited version of linksys firmware found here http://www.streamload.com/Nodes/Node.asp?cxInstID=86340166&nodeID=672194467
IMPORTANT Have the Belkin pre-flash set to the default linksys IP 192.168.1.1, the default password 'admin', and the dhcp server turned off. These are the default settings for the linksys firmware and and if they are pre -set result in a easy flash. If these settings are not followed pre-flash you stand to brick your router, or have a difficult time ressurecting it. You must manually assign your computer an IP within the 192.168.1.1 -255 feild as you will have dhcp turned off. at the fierst login dont be alarmed it will not work. Restart your browser and type 'admin' in the username as well as in the password field. Now you can upgrade your router to the newest linksys firmware 1.02.10_USA found on the linksys website. Congratulations you now will enjoy flawless wifi on your linksys flashed Belkin pre-n.

Wizard with Belkin pre-N wifi router
I had the same problem. Turned off QoS and it connects without any problem. Try it.

Off topic - Wireless - What am I doing wrong?

Pardon me because this isn't entirely a Wizard specific questions although I am able to replicate the problem with my Cingular 8125 (new ROM) 100% of the time.
I'm not a stupid person. I've setup numerous wireless networks for corporations and home users. I always use WEP or WPA and never unencrypted (no) security.
In most situations, the wireless router does NOT supply the DHCP to the clients. It usually comes from another DHCP server on the same LAN segment. Typically, this is a Windows server although it could be a DHCP-assigning device, such as a Cisco router.
PCs have no trouble seeing the wireless network and connecting to it and getting addresses assigned to them. For a while, I couldn't do this on WPA security but upgrading firmware and software on the laptops (usually Dell) rectified this.
With my Wizard, both old and new ROMs, I can SEE the wireless networks and connect to them but I can NEVER get an IP address. It tries and tries and fails and fails and eventually gives up. (Yes, the Cingular proxy is turned off)
Yet, at the airport or other public places with free wireless, I have no problems connecting my Wizard to the access point and surfing away. Thus, I know its not (entirely) a Wizard issue. Of course, these public access points aren't encrypted which could be one of the reasons but I doubt its the only one.
As a test, I just built a new wireless router with a SSID (other than "default") and security turned on (WPA) and let the router act as the DHCP server. Wizard connected in seconds and was surfing away. So the obvious next question is: why doesn't this work when the wireless router ISN'T the DHCP server? Other machines (laptops and such) have no problem connecting to one wireless router and getting a DHCP address from another box yet my Wizard cannot.
I've tested this with D-Link and Belkin wireless routers (consumer-grade).
I've seen other people post that they cannot get their wireless to work on their Wizard and while the fix may not be on the side of the Wizard, I think others may be in the same boat I'm in so I'm hoping that maybe we can compare enough stories to narrow this down so that we CAN use our Wizards wirelessly!
Ken

Confusing...
maybe you should try assign a fix ip to your pocket's wifi adapter and see if it would work. or just let the wlan security turn OFF on your access point to see what would happen.
i guess that the network protocol stack is slightly different between a PC and a PPC, which limit the DHCP request route.

I have just purchased the Wizard, aka o2 XDA Mini S, and use it with my Belkin Wireless Access Point (WPA-TKIP Enabled, DHCP & NAT disabled) and Cisco ADSL Router (DHCP Server) without any problems.
I have assigned the Belkin Wireless Access Point a fixed IP address however, but I don't think this would make a difference.
The other thing I found was that the Wizard would not connect correctly to the Belkin using WPA with AES encryption, but switching it to WPA with TKIP works flawlessly.

Well, I suppose its encouraging that others with the same wi-fi routers are getting this to work but its discouraging that I'm having so much trouble!
Fixed IP does work (therefore, its unlikely a Wizard-only problem) but obviously a fixed IP doesn't let me roam from one hotspot (home) to another (work) very easily.
Haven't tried it sans-security yet although that might just prove a point, rather than be a perminant solution. I have tried WPA-PSK and WEP with the same (negative) results.

I personally have found that unless I change the power settings for the WiFi adapter to full power, its hit or miss.
Never have a problem maing connections, geting leases, etc with it there.
YMMV though
Regards - John

prob irrelevent
i found that before i active sync'd. the wireless monitor on my wizard showed a strong signal from the router. then after it synced, it picked up an IP from the servers dhcp fine.
also for lightweight simple security i use mac address filtering on the AP

unable to connect to WLAN

Hi!
I do have problem to connect the device (o2 xda mini S) to WLAN. It recognizes the network, asks for the WPA-PSK key and then attempts to connect - but fails.
If I configure the device with a static IP this IP shows up during the
connection process after a while but the device isn't connected anyway.
If I use DHCP I get no IP ever.
I also tried a very simple 8 alphanum character key.
What may be wrong here?

I hope you get an answer soon, because I have the same problem. Enter the key, then no connect. I also tried it with security turned off on the router, no connect. This thing connected every time before 2.26 ROM update.

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Hope there's a reply; having the same issue but I think it's router specific too. I am on Dlink DI-614+ and a friend of mine who has DI-524 (i think) has no problem connecting reconnecting.

if you figure out a way to get it to work, please PM me... I have not figured out this problem yet.
I might try to disable all of my router settings (WEP).. but that would only mess my already configured other devices up.

Stupid question, but is it a B/G router or is it configured to only do one of them ?

Well, I got it to work by disabling encryption and leaving the AP all open...
So, apparently the software has some WPA-PSK-related bugs

Same thing with 2.24a Mr.Clean. Open AP works fine, and any encryption messes the whole thing up. The connection is done, it even gets the IP - and continues to blink arrows and no data comes through.

Windows Mobile only knows TKIP but as I was using AES and wanted to continue using AES on the other machines I configured the router to provide "TKIP and AES". Well, this didn't work but TKIP only actually works now.

I've been having the same problems, could connect to unsecured networks, no problems. The thing would just refuse to connect to my home WLAN (Belkin 54G set to B/G), secured with WPA-PSK and TKIP data encryption. However, just updated the router's firmware from the Belkin website, and BINGO!!!! It found the router, I entered the key and immediately connected, fast too. Just try updating the firmware of your router!

I agree on the router upgrades. And some routers are just crap, sorry to say. I've had bad luck with Belkins and Netgears. Linksys and D-Link typically give me much less problems. You also need to make sure that you installed the registry settings to enable G networks on you device (of course)
I have a Sonicwall using WPA-PSK with no problems.
I personally like molski's tweaks to make the necessary registry settings on my device ... http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=58438
Hope I was of some help.

HTC Touch WiFi Problem

Hi All,
I too have a strange WiFi issue. Here goes:
My phone is able to connect to free WiFi stations and the WiFi station at my parent's place. When I try to connect at home, it connects but I am unable to browse.
I previously used WEP encryption and have also tried removing all encryption...but no luck.
Here are my current router settings:
Band 2.4 GHz B+G
Mode AP
Channel 9
Authentication Open
Preamble type Long
Broadcast SSID Disable
Encryption None
Use 802.1x Authentication Disabled
Phone Details
HTC Touch
Browser Netfront/IE
My laptops, DS Lite, Wii can connect and work with the router...
Any help will be highly appreciated

Check that you don't have MAC ADDRESS FILTERING at the router. It may be hidden under Filter settings, like my D-Link is. This may sound trivial, but more than once I forgot about the MAC filtering.
If that doesn't help you, then just to narrow it down, at my home I use WEP and disable SSID broadcast also, and my Touch can connect fine, and fast.

Scratch the last post! I had the same problem with my TOUCH..Just put the power level to the max (i.e. go Start -> Settings -> Connections -> Wireless LAN -> Power Mode -> and slide all the way LEFT to Best Performance) and all hail ..your problem solved

I also use a Touch. I put the slider all the way to the right (Best Battery) and I connect fine. You people must have a big house, or a crap router?

HTC Touch wireless lan connection problems
hi,
Im having the same problem. No MAC filtering & no encryption on ADSL router.
HTC touch can connect to the router at 192.168.1.1. But it does not connect to any other web page.
Message shown is: "Page cannot be found. Check the name and try again."
Any other tips.
Thanks in advance.
dbmayur said:
Hi All,
I too have a strange WiFi issue. Here goes:
My phone is able to connect to free WiFi stations and the WiFi station at my parent's place. When I try to connect at home, it connects but I am unable to browse.
I previously used WEP encryption and have also tried removing all encryption...but no luck.
Here are my current router settings:
Band 2.4 GHz B+G
Mode AP
Channel 9
Authentication Open
Preamble type Long
Broadcast SSID Disable
Encryption None
Use 802.1x Authentication Disabled
Phone Details
HTC Touch
Browser Netfront/IE
My laptops, DS Lite, Wii can connect and work with the router...
Any help will be highly appreciated
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hencre said:
hi,
Im having the same problem. No MAC filtering & no encryption on ADSL router.
HTC touch can connect to the router at 192.168.1.1. But it does not connect to any other web page.
Message shown is: "Page cannot be found. Check the name and try again."
Any other tips.
Thanks in advance.
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Same problem I am having now. I can connect now wifi, but get same error.
??????

Wifi Problem!
Hi guys,
I've got a problem and I'm hoping you can help me out..
I've got a HTC TOUCH and when I got it the Wifi connection was working just fine.. I could connect to any WIFI network and Browse the internet.
After a month or two, my phone wouldn't connect to my home wifi network anymore. And neither would it connect to any other wifi networks (I tried!)..
I've been all over the internet trying to figure out what could have happened and if someone else was having these problems to.
I just can't find the answer and I feel like I already tried everything I could think of..
Hope some of you knows what to do..

I'd suggest looking at the Touch forum... I've got no experience of Touch devices, but it may be a Radio ROM issue...

kinda same issue I am facing ! donno
MY HTC TOUCH never connects to NETGEAR WIRELESS ACCESS POINT
but finds LINKSYS routers in a jiffy :O
are Wireless Access Point and.. Wireless routers different
they both emit diff. signals ?

I have the same issue with a TYTN II, can connect to the wireless, but can't open any web pages.

problem with htc & WPA-PSK passkey 25 characters
My htc tilt connects almost everywhere, but i have a problem with wpa-psk at work. The password is from 25 characters, I read some articles what WM cannot handle such length. Maybe it's possible to edit somehow the registry?

I have the same problem guys, what can we do to find a solution i tried everthing i could, and i even tested it out with my 2 wireless routers, and at public places it connects (at home it doesnt connect though).

shirreer said:
Scratch the last post! I had the same problem with my TOUCH..Just put the power level to the max (i.e. go Start -> Settings -> Connections -> Wireless LAN -> Power Mode -> and slide all the way LEFT to Best Performance) and all hail ..your problem solved
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Thanks a lot!
I had exactly the topic problem with manilla rom on my kaiser, could not use wifi any more. But with just sliding the meter to 'Best Performance' as suggested, wifi it once again works like a charm.

HTC Touch wifi solve
I had the same problem with my htc in WEP it dosen't browse, I changed the router to a better wifi protection like WPA-PSK, connected and worked fine, for some reason it only work's fine for a couple of minutes, I readed this post to put the sidebar in best performance and now everything works fine. An advice don't use WEP it's not secure at all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_security maybe you fine this interesting and helpful.

I'm running into a problem were I can connect to an AP at work and surf the net fine but when I disassociate I cant connect to it again for a whole day. The AP must be saving some info and therefore will wait for the DHCP lease time to finish before allowing the touch to re-connect. I tried my laptop and was able to connect 3-4 times and never have a problem so it is isolated to the touch and windows mobile 6.1. To find some more info out I was able to clone the mac of the touch and use it as the laptops wifi cards mac. It connected fine on 3 consecutive tries.
Maybe windows mobile is missing some commands when disassociating from an AP and as a result leaving info out in nowhere land confusing the router.
Thanks for any help!

ok, here's me joining the club... dunno what happened... working one day, getting crap the next.
exact same problem as everyone else...connects to the wireless network, then when you try to surf, page cannot be found...

Exact same problem here.
In the beginning everything fine. Connecting to my home WiFi and using the internet without problems (weather, stocks, opera, email, google maps, even skype voip).
Then, last month, all programs are unable to find anything on the internet, although the device reports it is connected to my (unchanged) home WiFi.
All these programs work fine when the device is connected to the internet through activesync (usb cable).
Also this whole time I have been using my home WiFi with a laptop from both Vista and Ubuntu, with no problems, so I guess it's not the router.
Also have read in other fora about these wifi working - wifi not working "cycles" other people have had, with various WM devices. And various tricks like shutting wifi off and immediately on again.
I even hard reseted the device. Problem still there.
WTF?

Connected once only
Connected once only for a few minutes to my home router dir 310 D-Link, worked fine and fast. After that I closed the connection. Next day I tried to connect but my HTC Touch 3G doesn't see the router. I see any other routers, but I do not see mine. I connected to some friends routers with WEP and WPA encription just to be sure the phone working. During this I didn't changed the router or the phone settings. It is very strange. The problem maybe comes from the router.

I'm having the same issues with my HD2. Looking all over the place and seems to be a common fault, but thus far with no cure, I tried the power save mode
From new it worked like a dream, but then one day it would connect to AP's but act as if not connected. I flashed my ROM with the VERY impressive Merlion Leo v 2.66 and it all started working again. Then yesterday, it stopped again. I don't want to reflash, so I'm working hard to find a cure, and will report as soon as I find one.
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I've found a cure (for mine at least), not sure if it will work for everyone, and haven't managed to test it at any other AP's except for my home Router, but all I did was set the network card properties (Broadcom 802.11 DHD Network Adapter) to 'Use server-assigned IP address' instead of 'Use specific IP address'. I'm not sure why this worked as there was no IP address conflicts because there were no other devices connected to my router when I had problems, but it works for me, hopefully permanently
Good luck.

Try this. Its work perfect for me!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10035476&postcount=10

This WiFi issue is killing me!

I know Google has said they are looking into it. But this is ridiculous. The N1 can not handle WPA2 connections. Even though it saves the connection and password, it almost never reconnects automatically. From what I was reading on the Google help forum, it appears to have compatibility issues with many retail routers and they suggest upgrading the firmware on our routers. Throughout my day, I may connect to 3 different APs. One is a standard Linksys wrt54g with sveasoft, the others I connect to are Cisco APs.
None of them automatically reconnect. Most of the time on the Linksys, I have to delete the connection on the phone and re-add it.
I still like this phone but between the 3g and wifi issue, it is a pain to use.

I won't pretend to understand all that you just said, but I can tell you that my router is set up using WPA2-PSK. Not sure if it is the same as just WPA2 but my N1 reconnects to mine whenever I get in range. Then at the office it will connect to the WPA2-PSK set up in there, and one more regular open connection that is available at our pool. Pretty much every time I look at it, it is connected to one of those 3. Or else if I am OOR of any of those, I am on 3G.
My home router is a Belkin -N. Work routers are a Netgear -N and a D-Link -N.

I've got a Netgear WNR2000 on WPA2, and I can confirm I occasionally have this issue with the phone not connecting to the network automatically. It usually does if I go into settings and touch it to reconnect again.

There is an easy solution for any WIFI problems, use a Mac Filter!!

I have to go into Settings > Wireless & Networks > WiFi Settings before my Nexus One will reconnect to my home router, which is also using WPA2-PSK.
Hopefully it'll be sorted in a firmware update, it is annoying having to go through 3 screens to do something that my Nokia Symbian phones have been doing without issue for almost5 years...

I am having no problems auto connecting to my home WPA2 network, I am using AES encryption and running DD-WRT firmware if it helps.

philaldred said:
There is an easy solution for any WIFI problems, use a Mac Filter!!
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Mac Filters are no replacement for WPA2 or encryption. Almost every device has the ability to spoof a mac address. Using a mac filter might help quickly eject roaming devices nearby, but it is NOT security.
Its like using a No Trespassing sign to replace locking your doors and windows.

i found that APNDriod may be a possible culprit....
Before I installed APNDriod , every times I go back home, my N1 will connect to my home WiFi almost immediately.
But after I install APNDriod, my N1 will not connect to my home WiFI.....I need to go into the Wireless setting screen, once i am on that screen WiFi it will connect.
But it is strange this I don't have this issue in my office, it just connect automatically before and after installing APNDriod.
Today I tried NOT to use APNDriod for a day and my N1 connect to my home WiFi without issue..... will do more experiment tmr.

Netgear WNR3500 w/ WPA2-PSK. Reconnects every time I am in range.

I find that my Linksys is the worst. The Cisco Aironet 1121 is better, but still has occasional connection issues. And I have not installed APNDroid.
On another note, when my phone switches from 3g to 2g and vice versa, it takes a long time for the data connection to resume

My network at home is setup with WPA2. I have no problems connecting to it... I click on the little wireless icon, and wait for it to say "wireless settings updated" and also wait for the wireless icon to show up near the time... then i will start browsing
I have a Dynalink RTA1025W

My wifi is working now. See h**p://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5773148&postcount=26

No problem reconnecting to my home network with WPA2 . Apple's Airport Extreme.

No problems here connecting to my Belkin N1 router. Connects the moment its in range.
Setup using WPA2-PSK

im having this exact same problem on my D-link Dir 615!
Pisses me off alot, i hope Google fix it!

I found that unless I was on channel 6 or 11 I had issues

AES-CCMP, TKIP or WPA Cisco521G will not connect
My cisco 521AP does not connect using any type of encryption, it only works with open authentication. Expensive phone like this that doesnt work with business class products is a joke.

xoveruk said:
My cisco 521AP does not connect using any type of encryption, it only works with open authentication. Expensive phone like this that doesnt work with business class products is a joke.
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@xoveruk - Someone must be able to help sort out this issue !

xoveruk said:
My cisco 521AP does not connect using any type of encryption, it only works with open authentication. Expensive phone like this that doesnt work with business class products is a joke.
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My suggestion is - check what you're doing wrong before assuming the phone is at fault. And check that you're using PSK.

SEC AUTH ENCRYPTION
No security None Open - working
WEP WEP Open - no
WPA-PSK TKIP WPA-PSK - no
WPA2-PSK AES CCMP WPA-PSK - no
android 2.2 on N1, FRF91