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Hi,
I've been trying to send pictures but the phone shrinks and compresses them to the point of stupidity. Is there a setting I haven't discovered yet that will change this.
Cheers!

xan_asmodi said:
Hi,
I've been trying to send pictures but the phone shrinks and compresses them to the point of stupidity. Is there a setting I haven't discovered yet that will change this.
Cheers!
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I second this...My old Blackberry 8100 didnt have to compress the pics and they were 1024x960

This Problem is Solved on other HTC Phones..
Hello This Problem is Solved on the HTC Windows Mobile Phones...
Can this be somehow moved into the Android to fix the problem..
Please Look at the link. It has the cab files and info required to fix the problem..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=469914

Does any one have any thoughts on this? The MMS is pretty much useless we can sort this. Is there a .conf file that I can edit?

What's the use of sending full size images with a res of 2048x1536 to a phone where the display at the very best is 480x320?
/Zilver

ZilverZurfarn said:
What's the use of sending full size images with a res of 2048x1536 to a phone where the display at the very best is 480x320?
/Zilver
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Cropping and saving to a computer?

momentarylapseofreason said:
Cropping and saving to a computer?
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So put ur memory card into ur computer, or mount it and take it off

There is obviously a reason to anything, and as someone said, it should be optional to send "as is" or sized down. But transfering big (image) files was never the design goal behind MMS. To declare MMS as "pretty much useless" if you're not allowed to send huge images (some carriers even limit MMS size to 32 kB!) is overreacting IMO. To me, it makes sense to scale down the image to std phone display size. If I want to transfer things untouched, there's always email...
/Zilver

Long story short... it seems that when people on here don't have an answer to the question, they like to dump in their .02.
He wasn't asking for what you like (opinions).... He was asking if it is configurable.

AsaSpades said:
So put ur memory card into ur computer, or mount it and take it off
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Thank you Captain Obvious.... If I wanted to send a full size image to my friend whom then wanted to crop it to his or her liking, this does nothing.

momentarylapseofreason said:
it seems that when people on here don't have an answer to the question, they like to dump in their .02.
He wasn't asking for what you like (opinions).... He was asking if it is configurable.
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...just like I didn't ask for your opinion. - But forgive me for adding mine - I tend to do that, when I see people getting frustrated with things just because of wrong assumptions. Like getting mad because the screw breaks when you try to get it into the hole with a hammer (or in this case why MMS isn't a good idea for file transfer).
/Mats

nI diissue! I wan't o dnsend MMSs to my G/F who will crop them on her handset. She doesn't have a data plan so POP3/IMAP email isn't gonna cut
As for MMS not being designed for large amounts of data; neither were email or SMS but they evolved to meet the needs of users. Some providers send adverts via MMS so a 100I200KB jpg shouldn't be a problem.
Should it?t. 't mean for this to be a contetious

momentarylapseofreason said:
Long story short... it seems that when people on here don't have an answer to the question, they like to dump in their .02.
He wasn't asking for what you like (opinions).... He was asking if it is configurable.
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Welcome to the Internet, we've been waiting for your arrival....
If you are sending something to someone who will use the data on a PC, send it to their e-mail, which they can access on thier PC....
-bZj

xan_asmodi said:
She doesn't have a data plan so POP3/IMAP email isn't gonna cut
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where I live, downloading an image to the phone costs the same no matter if it's part of an MMS or an email attachment. It's the same # of bytes to dl, and without a data plan every byte comes at a price.
/Mats

ZilverZurfarn said:
where I live, downloading an image to the phone costs the same no matter if it's part of an MMS or an email attachment. It's the same # of bytes to dl, and without a data plan every byte comes at a price.
/Mats
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Not to get involved in this lovely debate but the OP:
1) Wants to send a picture to his GF's phone.
2) Once on the phone she can then crop to suit.
3) Since she does not have a data plan MMS is about the only easy way to send the photo directly to the phone.
4) Depending on the phone she may or may not be able to get the picture from her computer but for the sake of argument let's assume not.
So we have a reasonable request and reasoning for why the OP wants to send an uncompressed image. Mail does not cut it and given premise 2 a compressed image is not acceptable.
So can we stop trying to find a work around for the moment and simply try and address the OP's problem? I am as guilty as anyone of justifying a limitation on my beloved G1 but in this case it is not going to help. Maybe one of the third party MMS programs? The furst question in my mind is whether it is the phone compressing the image or the carrier? Any way to know for sure?

T-Mobile (USA) imposes a 300k limit on MMS messages (as seen in many other forums here using WM). It's certainly possible that Google forced the messaging app to conform to that limit....or even to a smaller limit so that other carriers with lower thresholds could still use the same Android build for MMS.

I always send MMS to my wife who is overseas, and I prefer MMS since its instant and my wife doesn't check her email frequently. I know I can email her the images then sms her to notify her about the email but thats just not practical.
so please if you don't have an answer, you don't have to say "I don't know" which might hurt your reputation as an expert on everything except useful solutions.
Just skip the thread.

I'm interested as to whether there are any .conf file etcetera to edit.
It seems to be the phone requiring the compression of the image, which doesn't make much sense, as none of my WM devices have forced this requirement upon me.
Anyone care to join me in a game of 'Hunt the config file'
The images I send are literally the size of my thumbnail btw.
Thanks in advance!
Dave

Why not just email the full sized picture to her phone's email address. Most providers have an email address for each phone number on their system. T-mob is [email protected]. Search google for the address. There, a nice simple solution. Was I really the only one that thought of this?

Well the G1 MMS is capped at about 298kb or 300kb and pictures taken on the G1 in max resolution are easily over that but no worry looks like we'll get a 3MB cap with 1.5 or just send to email

MMS picture resizing?

Hi!
When someone is sending Me a MMS with a picture it's scaled down, but when i send someone a picture it's in 800x480. How come? Is it a setting? I have set my to original size in settings.
And what about when you have a longer text diskussion the keyboard sort of goes over to number mode and you have to change keyboard to be able to type letters...

Is the question just to stupid to answer or what?
Please someone, this drives me crazy, and i have asked my friends to send mail for now when sending pictures.

ToddeSwe said:
When someone is sending Me a MMS with a picture it's scaled down, but when i send someone a picture it's in 800x480. How come? Is it a setting? I have set my to original size in settings.
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The "original size" setting has nothing to do with incoming stuff. That's resized on the sender's phone. A lot of my previous phones (mainly Nokia phones) insisted on shrinking images before sending them via MMS, so I'd imagine that's why you get small images - because they're sent small.
As for the keyboard problem, I use a qwerty keyboard, so I can't help as I've never seen the problem you're having. I have seen other people on here discussing it though, so a search may help.

On O2 the pictures gets resized when the operator (o2) doesnt recongise the phone model and therefore it makes it smaller, I used to have this problem when I flashed different roms on my polaris as the o2 verion of the phone differed in name.
Theres a cab somewhere that sets your mms useragent to a nokia n95 or something, that does the trick if the HD2 is not supported by your opperator.

DMAND said:
On O2 the pictures gets resized when the operator (o2) doesnt recongise the phone model and therefore it makes it smaller, I used to have this problem when I flashed different roms on my polaris as the o2 verion of the phone differed in name.
Theres a cab somewhere that sets your mms useragent to a nokia n95 or something, that does the trick if the HD2 is not supported by your opperator.
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Sounds interresting
Will try a search for mms useragent then

CANNOT send/receive MMS.

Hey guys, my unlocked touch diamond 2 was only receiving pictures at a very small scale. I then loaded the tinypic cab, so that was fine. now i can't receive or send pics at all. it just stays in my drafts folder. I've fooled around with the settings left and right and nothing seems to be working. if someone can point me in the right direction with the proper settings i'd verrry much appreciate it. I've been on the computer day after day, and yet no solution. well hopefully that'll change. i appreciate ur help. thanks
-frustrated htc owner.

I suspect its the size of the pics that is preventing it from sending. Search for MMS size registry tweaks.

I suspect its the size of the pics that is preventing it from sending. Search for MMS size registry tweaks.
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No. Not the case. The MMS program will refuse to allow a larger then accepted image. It will display on the MMS screen and also prompt you when you try to send.
Well you have to make sure several things:
I'm assuming, what I gathered from your post, that you were able to send MMS at one time. So this tells me that your rom is at least has MMS support (which is an option). I can also assume that you have a data connection, which is required for MMS. Can you get online via Opera or Internet Explorer. You need to first find if your account with your carrier doesn't have Data Disabled.
Next it appears that your MMS settings have been altered so that you cannot send/recieve to your approximate carriers servers. What I would recommend is running "Connection Setup" again from the Setting>>Connection page.
The small pictures you are getting is because of the quality of the SENDERS phone/camera. Remember that we have a high resolution screen 800x480. Most "cheap" phones have a 1/4th our resolution and take MMS pictures at a VERY low res (164x132). This size on our large 800x480 WVGA screen will appear small.
THIS IS NOT THE FAULT OF YOUR PHONE. Tell your sender to up their resolution or actually buy a good phone (not a freebie 2 year signup junk bucket).

T-Mobile MMS size limits?

I've recently noticed that not many people have been getting my MMSes, and today I did some tests to figure out what was happening.
It seems like pictures sent from the Nexus One using the stock messaging app has the size cap at around 1MB. From some research, T-Mobile USA seems to cap their MMSes at 300KB. Pictures taken with the Nexus One's camera using the highest settings varies from 700KB to a little over 1MB.
When I send a 700KB picture to someone, the messaging app doesn't do any resizing or compression; it'll just send it as it is and the recipient will never get it. When I try sending the larger ones that are more than 1MB, the app will resize and/or compress to about 800KB, and as expected, the recipient won't get that either. I've even tried sending these larger MMS to my email to rule out any device/service incompatibilities on the other end, but those don't go through either.
Sending something tiny, like a 7KB or 100KB picture works just fine, which sort of verifies that there's a cap.
Well, my question is, is there a way to adjust the cap in the messaging app? I don't see any options anywhere, so I kind of doubt it. I don't really want to use a 3rd party app; I think you can set the max size in ChompSMS.

Some providers resize pictures as they're travelling across the network, simply because a lot of phones have small displays/memory and can't handle something that big. You have to tell them you're using a phone that can handle it (eg. N95 or iphone) so they stop doing it.
If Tmobile are dropping the pictures entirely then that's something for them to sort out... I'm surprised they would do that.

I just finished speaking to HTC and T-Mobile. T-Mobile confirmed that MMSes are capped at 300KB, and HTC told there's no way to change the maximum in the messaging app. All they could tell me was to take pictures at a lower resolution, which wasn't the answer I was looking for... Hopefully, when the source comes out, there will be a way to add the option in there.
I'm kind of surprised no one else has run into this issue before.

:/ well, that blows. i was a little whizzed at sprint for capping at 500kb.
your option could be get on wifi, send through email to their phone (e.g. [email protected])
common addresses

I'm using handcent sms on tmobile and handcent always resizes my images when i attach them to a message. i tried the normal messaging app and when i try to attach a picture it says "compressing image". For me handcent sms is great and definitely better than the stock app.

I took your guys' thoughts into consideration, but still ran into problems.
Sending a text using email to a T-Mobile number (##########@tmomail.net) with an attachment larger than 300KB will result in the the picture never reaching the recipient. I can't say that this won't work for any of the other carriers though.
Handcent Sms does indeed resize the picture enough to send, but it converted my 800KB picture down to 14KB. It's a little too aggressive with the conversion for my taste.
I'm just hoping that it will be a relatively easy to implement a way of changing the 1MB max size on the messaging app when the source comes out.
If anyone else has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it.

TaFFeR said:
I took your guys' thoughts into consideration, but still ran into problems.
Sending a text using email to a T-Mobile number (##########@tmomail.net) with an attachment larger than 300KB will result in the the picture never reaching the recipient. I can't say that this won't work for any of the other carriers though.
Handcent Sms does indeed resize the picture enough to send, but it converted my 800KB picture down to 14KB. It's a little too aggressive with the conversion for my taste.
I'm just hoping that it will be a relatively easy to implement a way of changing the 1MB max size on the messaging app when the source comes out.
If anyone else has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it.
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Did the 14Kb figure come from the MMS when it was received or did you check it on the phone after it was sent? I'm on O2 in the UK and they seriously butcher any MMS being sent to the Android, if I send a picture to myself its immediately obvious looking in the conversation view that what I've sent and what I've received are not the same.

I too have been having this problem. I would like to stick with the stock messaging app as well. I am sure there will be an update for this I just hope it's soon.

shuflie said:
Did the 14Kb figure come from the MMS when it was received or did you check it on the phone after it was sent? I'm on O2 in the UK and they seriously butcher any MMS being sent to the Android, if I send a picture to myself its immediately obvious looking in the conversation view that what I've sent and what I've received are not the same.
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I checked on both ends. This was with Handcent though, remember. When you send, it's added to the thread where you can check the file sized of the picture. I sent it to myself to my email via MMS, and it was 14Kb on that end too.
On the other hand, if I send something < 300Kb, the picture stays intact on the receiving end. I don't think T-Mobile does any processing of the MMSes in any way.

I too, have been having problems with MMS, just as you stated.
FWIW, my observations:
-Android on VZW can receive my MMS, but I get a 1kb file with nothing in it when he sends me an MMS.
-When iPhone on ATT sends me an MMS, it comes through, but when I send him an MMS, he never gets it. Strangely, when my other friend with a G1 sends him an MMS, it doesn't come through.
-Within Tmo, MMS is fine.
I don't know anyone dumb enough to use Sprint, so I can't check on that.
-I sent a photo from my Gmail app to myself, and it came out perfectly fine. 731k on both sides.
Would be nice to have an app that automatically resizes photos to the 300kb Tmo limit.

Hmm... That's weird, I can't send anything larger than 300Kb to myself or my brother who has a G1. I thought I had this figured out, but now I don't know what's going on anymore

I just checked on my phone, sending via tmo to att...one went through, but two others didnt. i may have to switch to handcent or chompsms.

Fix for MMS failures

Just noticed this today for some reason. If I try to send an MMS to someone and I have their phone number stored as 1-234-567-8901 it will not go through, I get a permanent failure message. If I have their number stored as 1234567890, it goes through without any problems at all. Haven't seen this posted anywhere, thought it might help someone out.

Well I can't MMS messages at all. It has to do with the picture/video settings. The better the quality, the more memory it takes up and even a 10 second video clip on the highest resolution is over the sending limit.
There are specific MMS settings for picture/video and the quality looks like crap, or a phone with a 2mp camera.
I am starting to see just how horrible these android phones are. But as a formal windows mobile/iphone user, there are some things android does far better.
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Of course the quality is crap. MMS are usually limited to 300 kB on every carrier and every phone. Don't blame Android for the same limitations that are in every Windows Mobile and iPhone. If you want to send higher quality pictures or videos to someone., send them as an email attachment.

I have had to enter the phone number without the 1 at the begining also. Sometimes it's the limitations of the network, but there is also an issue in the stock rom that glitches the message and returns it as an unable to send. I do not have the same problem on CM6 though.

slughappy1 said:
Of course the quality is crap. MMS are usually limited to 300 kB on every carrier and every phone. Don't blame Android for the same limitations that are in every Windows Mobile and iPhone. If you want to send higher quality pictures or videos to someone., send them as an email attachment.
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You must not know about the 1mb maximum on most other phones (w/o having to use 3rd party apps) so yes it is an android problem.
Also most other phones don't have crappy mms quality or at least phones made past 2006. It is pathetic to see such a great quality picture/video and then not be able to send it threw mms and even email (sometimes). Then when you see just how garbage the mms settings are, that makes it twice as bad.
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donepate said:
I have had to enter the phone number without the 1 at the begining also. Sometimes it's the limitations of the network, but there is also an issue in the stock rom that glitches the message and returns it as an unable to send. I do not have the same problem on CM6 though.
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I guess that is the MMS fixes that are in the change log of CM6. I have always wondered what they changed.
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You must not know about the 1mb maximum on most other phones (w/o having to use 3rd party apps) so yes it is an android problem.
Also most other phones don't have crappy mms quality or at least phones made past 2006. It is pathetic to see such a great quality picture/video and then not be able to send it threw mms and even email (sometimes). Then when you see just how garbage the mms settings are, that makes it twice as bad.
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I grabbed the 300 kB from the MMS wikipedia page. I knew that Android defaulted to 1 mb limit for MMS. I didn't know others did though. I know that if I try and send a message to my gfs phone. It can not be over 1/2 mb, and my dads previous phone it was over 300 kB. I have never had any problem emailing a picture or video to someone. Do you have email attachment problems on your phone?

The phone itself can send a 1Mb or larger file but the carrier limits the size. It has to do with a file or something that gets checked on their servers everytime you send an MMS, if the carrier doesn't 'support' your phone it defaults to a unversal low quality message. It's a bit retarded that I get tmobiles current flagship phone, or what ever you want to call it, and they don't even seem to support it on their servers. My Blackberry 8900 could send and receive MMS messages larger than 1Mb but they limit this phone to 300kb when sending and on a good day, 50kb when receiving.

This is just great... I convince my wife that we need to switch to T-mobile... Get unlimited data plans and android phones. I get the vibrant, she gets the mt3gs... This phone is highly frustrating for her... What a piece of crap. This MMS issue is the icing on the cake

The update was suppose to fix the wifi mms issue. It did for a bit but it has come back. I think it's tmo and their data connection. I just turn off wifi and download the pic and turn it back on. No biggie.
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