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Can we try and develop some apps that take advantage of the multi touch pad at the bottom of the phone?
Maybe something like the iPhones picture viewer to zoom or rotate.
To be honest I only recently found out about the multi touch pad by using NavDbgTool.exe.
But surely it has some potential - maybe mixing it with g sensor function
you can zoom and rotate with a finger, holding the pda with one hand (just draw a circle to zoom, and a semi-circle to rotate)
oh wow what a revolutionary idea, im sure no one here, especially no developer has thought about that before......
hhmm! Help from a senior member.. usual.. Sarcasm from a junior member... refeshing
So where can i find apps that take advantage of the multi touch ?
I am aware of the circular zoom function in htc album, but i was thinking of the resize and rotate function like on iPhone and microsoft surface.
Surely "every developer" has thought of replicating that?
I have a real practical use for that pad-
On the HTC Touch Pro it is ideal for a scroll bar area. Most apps do not support the navi-wheel for scrolling, and the navi-wheel is incredibly imprecise in any case. having the area from the Home to the Back key be a scroll strip would be great for scrolling down long documents or web pages.
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hedgemonstahinz said:
So where can i find apps that take advantage of the multi touch ?
I am aware of the circular zoom function in htc album, but i was thinking of the resize and rotate function like on iPhone and microsoft surface.
Surely "every developer" has thought of replicating that?
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You mean something like this?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406206
Hi,
does the screen of the X1 have a "frame" arround like the "Kaiser" for example. The iPhone or the Diamond have no "frame" as far as I know, the screen surface has the same level than the rest of the device.
From the pictures of the X1 I have seen it looks like.
The reason behind this question ist that there are a couple of alternative SIPs available which are using not only "touching" onto the screen but also "sliding" to have a faster and more acurate input.
Examples:
http://www.speedscript.biz/
http://www.cootek.com/
and others
The problem I have with my Kaiser is by using those SIPs that it is not working as good at the left and right edge because the finger is stoped by the "frame". A frameless device would be better.
(Maybe my fingers are too big ... )
Best regards,
Claus
you're totally right about the frame, also it will be sort of a pain to use scroll bars as well. But why would you worry about the screen keyboard when you have a hardware keyboard? Honestly, once i get my xperia, I will take any excuse to pull out the keyboard cause it's such a cool device!
I have customized my Kaiser with AE button Plus (double and triple clicks).
This is quite handy and much faster than any "touch" button. The X1 has also some nice hardware keys. Most of the time I am fine with the Touch keyboard, some of than could be used just with the thumb. Also the switching time into landscape mode and back is on the Kaiser not realy fast, but this should be different on the X1.
I am in favor of the X1 because of the hardware key, not so much because of the hardware keyboard
Claus
n4v1n said:
you're totally right about the frame, also it will be sort of a pain to use scroll bars as well. But why would you worry about the screen keyboard when you have a hardware keyboard? Honestly, once i get my xperia, I will take any excuse to pull out the keyboard cause it's such a cool device!
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I've read somewhere that the screen used in the HD/Blackstone actually is dual touch capabel.. anyone that nows for sertain`?
My understanding is that in a hardware sence it will work but nothing is programmed for it, im not even sure if the drivers for it are enabled to do it.
Ok, but if the hardware is capable, then it should be possible for some clever minds to make propper modifications to whatever programs that could make use of dual touch.. ?
Any one up for a cool task?
I'm afraid this will be futile. The screen is resistive not capacitive. I'm not an expert, though.
Dual touch is out of the window now since APPLE has patented this technology i believe...
Resistive screens can support multi touch, there is a program on the diamond that proves this. Windows 7 (thats windows 7 not windows mobile 7) supports multitouch so its not apple only.
touch hd is not multi touch
Hmmm, the screen on the HD is resistive. The hardware drivers for this normally produce only a single set of x/y data. Technically it is possible on a resistive screen to produce multi-touch coordinates. BUT, it depends on the hardware implementation.
It is most unlikely that HTC have built-in multi-touch.
My understanding of the Diamond and Touch Pro multi-touch experiments is that they are using the two screen segments (vga and the bottom button segment).
the problem is nobody knows, apparently the device can display more than 65k colours, but until the software catches up to match we will never see it.
you can simulate a dual touch behaviour on every single touch screen.
Actually, when you touch the screen on a point, keep your finger on it, touch a second point with you second finger : from the windows dirver side, windows sees a mouse/pointer coordinate that gives the position of the center of the line segment between your both fingers.
For instance:
Put the first finger on the upper left corner, after that, put your second finger on the center .... Windows mouse event will return a "jump" at the position corresponding to a position at the upper-left of the center, between your both finger. So a piece of software could supposed that a second finger is on the screen. If you don't move your first finger, but just the second one, windows mouse/touch driver will report you the move corresponding to the half second finger move.
I saw a video on youtube about multitouch simulation ... and if you see them, you will notice that the first finger doesn't move. So i suppose that they use the method i had exposed above.
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Dual touch is out of the window now since APPLE has patented this technology i believe...
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neither dual nor multi touch is pattented by apple (those patents actually belong to microsoft, as they developed the technology; as i was told by Microsoft developers/recruiters a couple months back), what apple just got patents for (simply to try and swindle money out of other companies later) are the gestures for the UI. Although the multi touch might be/probably is possible on the HD (as the diamond supports it) on the hardware level, developing the software would be difficult and I'd expect no help on part of HTC (as it would be unlikely for any company, especially one that produces so many phones, to go back and practically reinvent the UI on an existing phone). So although the possibility is most likely there, it would be highly unlikely that we'll ever see it. (Though a multi touch Android running on the HD with the right drivers would be nice)
the diamond has multitouch capability on the capacitive area below the screen, unfortunately the HD doesnt.
Im sure one day windows mobile will have Multitouch, we just have to see how how it plays out between Palm and Apple because palm uses the same gesture (pinch) which Apple apparently has a patent to.
If apple does bring forward a lawsuit and fails then we may well see multitouch on windows mobile very soon, but if apple wins: too bad for us.
My 2 cents:
I do not like dual touch!
I like to hold my HD in my palm and use my thumb to operate it. That way I only need one hand to use it. I love the photos program that allows you to zoom in and zoom out by circling something on the screen. I wish the browser and ALL other applictions supported this!
Everdog said:
My 2 cents:
I do not like dual touch!
I like to hold my HD in my palm and use my thumb to operate it. That way I only need one hand to use it. I love the photos program that allows you to zoom in and zoom out by circling something on the screen. I wish the browser and ALL other applictions supported this!
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I second that! (though texting/internet/video in landscape is also nice)
In some programs such as Microsoft word, if you move your finger on the screen, the screen will move up/down. But if you move your nail or stylus on the screen, the text will be selected.
How does HD distinguish between finger tip and stylus? I think it is a function of dual touch tool.
ok.. it recognizes the area of pressure unlike the light sensors to detect the position on capacitive screens(iphone).
HD cant recognize more than 1 touch because area of pressures moves in middle of 2 fingers.
in reply to monolithHD, HD can differentiate size of pressure and operate events accordingly,
for example using slylus is more difficult to scroll trough list of All programs or contacts than your finger
i was hoping for the buttons area to be capacitive like in diamond and pro but unfortunately they are not.. i can operate those buttons from my stylus also. capacitive screens generally cant be operated by stylus.
eventually we will have lot of devices and application with multitouch and we will miss it even more because HD also doesn't have many hardware buttons.
anyway be happy with whatever you got.
Ok, to clarify a little here.. some say: Capasitiv screens DO support dual touch (like the iphone) Resistive screens DOES NOT support...
Well.. final question from me then.. Anyone tried the Android G1 HTC mobile?..Is that a capasitiv or resistive screen? Because G1 DOES in fact support dual touch...
Anyone?
When you run the Xperia fish panel on the Touch HD.
And you press the screen with both fingers. The fish will swim to the middle of where you're 2 fingers are located......
This also is the same on the Xperia. And the Xperia has dual touch, So I would say Touch HD also has dual touch....
It's difficult to understand why the HD touchscreen can't be multitouch... The touchscreen panel is plenty of sensors (which in fact I can see too well on my HD, as said in other post). Can't two sensors send the signal at the same time? Also, we all agree that the HD can tell if you are pressing with your finger or with the stylus, because it can detect the size of the area you are touching... so even more difficult to understand.
Of course, this must have a good technical explanation, these are just my thoughts...
G1 screen is capacitive and supports Multi-touch.
Xperia X1 and touch HD screen is resistive which DOESN'T support multitouch.
In Xparia panel, if fishes move in the middle of 2 fingers that means it simply selects middle point as pressure area of the 2 figures, or in other sense it recognizes all space between 2 fingers as 1 GIANT finger.. i hope this will clear confusions.
Hi, I've been seeing a lot of development for the Touch line of phones and they all have awesome programs for gesturing the capacitive screen.
I really hope Xperia stays popular long enough to have some pro do something like this for the optical stick. Such as using optical stick to zoom in and out; I'd really like to see that functionality in opera, instead of page scrolling.
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Hi, I've been seeing a lot of development for the Touch line of phones and they all have awesome programs for gesturing the capacitive screen.
I really hope Xperia stays popular long enough to have some pro do something like this for the optical stick. Such as using optical stick to zoom in and out; I'd really like to see that functionality in opera, instead of page scrolling.
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Lol. Who uses optical joystick? I tonly comes in ur way when you want to navigate with they hardwarekeys.
optical joystick works better than using finger to scroll in opera mobile. not as good in other browsers
I used to want the option to zoom using the trackpad, however, that has really changed. I use the trackpad to scroll, I keep it set to the fastest setting, and I'm able to flick through menus and opera pages extremely quickly. It works really well for me, I can't imagine not having it...its a pretty good jog dial replacement imo.
since diamond/fuze has the Capacitive sensor (i'll call it CAPSEN from now on) ...and a seperate touch screen...
why not combine to have multi touch.....maybe you already heard this from me or someone else..but i thought i bring it up anyway...
just like the "PINCH" from iphone....
but 1 finger on the touch screen...and 1 finger on the CAPSEN....doing the PINCH...should zoom out...and zoom in...
On a Picture....
Browser...
Notes...
any other app that has zoom function
and use it as an APP LAUNCHER....for instance...
TOUCH and HOLD the Centre button with the thumb...and swipe UP on the touch screen...brings up dialer?? app launcher?? Voice command??
maybe not just app...but shortcut for Tools...such as
copy/cut/paste/
back/forward (browser)
next/previoius(media)
this is all i can think of now...cuz i'm sleepy so I will come up with a bigger list when i'm awake and fresh....
peace
SolidKundi
+1
thought about the same just a day ago
Nice idea, I know there has been talk of multi touch on just the screen, but that is very complicated since if you touch two points on the screen it will actually read the midpoint of the two spots.
Your idea would work like holding a shortcut combo ie: Ctrl + C = Cut
But on the phone we could touch the end call button and the screen and as you move it would zoom out......and enless other ideas!
GScroll uses the touch pad on the bottom and you can assign stuff, but not with the screen....I bet that wouldn't be to hard for the programmer to figure out......
noellenchris said:
Nice idea, I know there has been talk of multi touch on just the screen, but that is very complicated since if you touch two points on the screen it will actually read the midpoint of the two spots.
Your idea would work like holding a shortcut combo ie: Ctrl + C = Cut
But on the phone we could touch the end call button and the screen and as you move it would zoom out......and enless other ideas!
GScroll uses the touch pad on the bottom and you can assign stuff, but not with the screen....I bet that wouldn't be to hard for the programmer to figure out......
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There should be more apps that take advantage of the pad at the bottom just sumthing simple like scroling clockwise and anticlockwise round the ok button to zoom in n out like you can on the txt msg screen would be a gr8 improvement
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Was thinking about this too..
What's on my mind was touching the panel to simulate "Shift" and "Ctrl" keys. Hence to be used together with the keyboard to provide functions like "Copy/Cut/Paste" (Ctrl+C/X/V), "Select All" (Ctrl+A), and also to capitalize a letter with the "Shift" function...
If it could be done, i'm sure it will be household program on every Diamond... hmm...
mmm Good Idea!!
!!!!!!!!!
but yah...also i just remembered ..that the CAP sensor is also multitouch.??? ...i remember seeing a youtube vid about that...
if thats the case..we can do so much...like the pinch effect right on the cap sensor....or swipe with two fingers....ahhh the endless features this will give us...every other phone will bow down.....
even touchdiamond2
solidkundi said:
but yah...also i just remembered ..that the CAP sensor is also multitouch.??? ...i remember seeing a youtube vid about that...
if thats the case..we can do so much...like the pinch effect right on the cap sensor....or swipe with two fingers....ahhh the endless features this will give us...every other phone will bow down.....
even touchdiamond2
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Indeed, just zoom with two fingers at the mulititouch panel! That's great!
It should be possible to make this app, because they have that kind of application on the blackstone too! (they made an application that makes the bottom panel like a zoom bar, just like the topaz)
I'd donate if it someone makes this application!
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Indeed, just zoom with two fingers at the mulititouch panel! That's great!
It should be possible to make this app, because they have that kind of application on the blackstone too! (they made an application that makes the bottom panel like a zoom bar, just like the topaz)
I'd donate if it someone makes this application!
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I say the same thing..
multitouch for diamond I think is possibile..like this app nobody thought could exist [sorry 4 english]
I was think about it 2 months ago. Not multitouch the captive + screen, But multitouch on captive only (there is video that the captive sensor on diamond was multitouchable ).
I was interested with this idea, but I can't find any sample code for captive sensor (I found some accelerometer sample code), Is there any good reverences/sample code about how to get captive sensor signal/messages with C++?
( I was interested to code it, but not promises to create it )
i wish this actually goess throughhhhh but....we need more support from the rest of the forum users....i guess i have to make this TItle more appealing..hehe
amarullz said:
I was think about it 2 months ago. Not multitouch the captive + screen, But multitouch on captive only (there is video that the captive sensor on diamond was multitouchable ).
I was interested with this idea, but I can't find any sample code for captive sensor (I found some accelerometer sample code), Is there any good reverences/sample code about how to get captive sensor signal/messages with C++?
( I was interested to code it, but not promises to create it )
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Actually TouchLockPro uses the NavSensor and is written in C++. You can couple commands to capacitive swipes, 8 in total. Also I did make the source code available on sourceforge.
sounds good...I can only do photoshop....i'll try to help anyway i can......
i really would love to have Multitouch on my Diamond.
This will be groundbreaking.....even diamond 2 can't touch this..i think....anyways..
@ZuinigeRijder ---thanx
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Actually TouchLockPro uses the NavSensor and is written in C++. You can couple commands to capacitive swipes, 8 in total. Also I did make the source code available on sourceforge.
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Ok hanks... I will check it...
any (good) news?
I'd love to help
I would love to help but.....
I don't know any programing or any photoshop, can someone teach me something? I really want to help the community but I don't know how
multi touch not really multi touch
I might be wrong but i was thinking that the diamond doesn't actually have multi touch, it's more like having 4 touchpads that all work at the same time. The left part with the home and the dial button, the wheel, the center button, the right section with the back and end call buttons. That may explain why the touch interface is so slow...