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Can we try and develop some apps that take advantage of the multi touch pad at the bottom of the phone?
Maybe something like the iPhones picture viewer to zoom or rotate.
To be honest I only recently found out about the multi touch pad by using NavDbgTool.exe.
But surely it has some potential - maybe mixing it with g sensor function
you can zoom and rotate with a finger, holding the pda with one hand (just draw a circle to zoom, and a semi-circle to rotate)
oh wow what a revolutionary idea, im sure no one here, especially no developer has thought about that before......
hhmm! Help from a senior member.. usual.. Sarcasm from a junior member... refeshing
So where can i find apps that take advantage of the multi touch ?
I am aware of the circular zoom function in htc album, but i was thinking of the resize and rotate function like on iPhone and microsoft surface.
Surely "every developer" has thought of replicating that?
I have a real practical use for that pad-
On the HTC Touch Pro it is ideal for a scroll bar area. Most apps do not support the navi-wheel for scrolling, and the navi-wheel is incredibly imprecise in any case. having the area from the Home to the Back key be a scroll strip would be great for scrolling down long documents or web pages.
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hedgemonstahinz said:
So where can i find apps that take advantage of the multi touch ?
I am aware of the circular zoom function in htc album, but i was thinking of the resize and rotate function like on iPhone and microsoft surface.
Surely "every developer" has thought of replicating that?
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You mean something like this?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406206
Hi,
does the screen of the X1 have a "frame" arround like the "Kaiser" for example. The iPhone or the Diamond have no "frame" as far as I know, the screen surface has the same level than the rest of the device.
From the pictures of the X1 I have seen it looks like.
The reason behind this question ist that there are a couple of alternative SIPs available which are using not only "touching" onto the screen but also "sliding" to have a faster and more acurate input.
Examples:
http://www.speedscript.biz/
http://www.cootek.com/
and others
The problem I have with my Kaiser is by using those SIPs that it is not working as good at the left and right edge because the finger is stoped by the "frame". A frameless device would be better.
(Maybe my fingers are too big ... )
Best regards,
Claus
you're totally right about the frame, also it will be sort of a pain to use scroll bars as well. But why would you worry about the screen keyboard when you have a hardware keyboard? Honestly, once i get my xperia, I will take any excuse to pull out the keyboard cause it's such a cool device!
I have customized my Kaiser with AE button Plus (double and triple clicks).
This is quite handy and much faster than any "touch" button. The X1 has also some nice hardware keys. Most of the time I am fine with the Touch keyboard, some of than could be used just with the thumb. Also the switching time into landscape mode and back is on the Kaiser not realy fast, but this should be different on the X1.
I am in favor of the X1 because of the hardware key, not so much because of the hardware keyboard
Claus
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you're totally right about the frame, also it will be sort of a pain to use scroll bars as well. But why would you worry about the screen keyboard when you have a hardware keyboard? Honestly, once i get my xperia, I will take any excuse to pull out the keyboard cause it's such a cool device!
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Guys - great information in the Blackstone forum - wow! I have been following this device for a while, and may want to take the plunge on it (after being disappointed with the Diamond and the Fuze). But - I really need to know how the typing is on this thing? I have read some negative and positive comments on this and other Forums, and I would love to get some opinions. I am a user of Nokia, BlackBerry and the iPhone (cell-phone crack addict), and even though I don't type a book on my phone each day, I do answer about 30 texts and 20 emails per day (1 to 3 sentence responses), and I want to make sure I will not struggle with the typing on this box. I crank on my various Nokia's and my iPhone (BlackBerry goes without saying) - and I don't want to slow down drastically with this device.
Could anyone give me some "real world" experience? I could see myself using the keyboard in both Portrait and Landscape mode - depending on what I was doing at the time.
Any input would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
Adam
I find it remarkably well, after getting used to typing instead of writing (I come from PalmOS). Still, my advice is go to a phone shop and try for yourself to see if your fingers aren't too fat
But at least allow for the fact that the first time typing on a touchscreen is going to feel wierd and that you will improve.
I find it really good (coming from the HTC Touch which was sooo small and a pain even when using the stylus). Typing fast its fairly accurate and although you can tweak it to write in landscape I generally type in portrait. I have spent a fair amount of time with the iphone too and although not directly comparative it really is a fairly close call.
(oh and i have fat fingers )
I have had my HD for about 3 weeks now. I don't type that often on it, but I can tell I am getting better. I usually make about one mistake per sentence, but I must say, that I type somewhat slow to avoid making mistakes.
I also see a pattern of mistakes, that show I probably need to practice accuracy with my fingers. For example I often type: W instead of E, S instead of A, X instead of C. All these are left hand keys, so I guess my right hand is better. My right hand sometimes types the space bar instead of B or N in portrait mode.
In landscape mode I make fewer mistakes. However, you will need third-party software to rotate the keyboard in messaging applications.
One BIG annoying thing in landscape mode when you are writing - say, a text message - is that the "Send" button is directly below the "z" and "x" keys (or Y and X in German keyboard). It has happened to me that I want to type one of those letters and I accidentally hit Send - and away goes the unfinished message!! This does not happen in portrait mode because there are other keys (CapsLock, D-pad etc) above the Send button.
This is my first touch-screen phone, so I can't compare it to others.
All in all, I am pleased with the keyboard, and I can see that I am improving. That leads me to believe that it is really just a matter of practice. But, for you it might be different since you are used to other phones. It would be best if you can test one at a store (unless you live in the U.S.).
Here are 2 youtube videos with reviews on the HD keyboard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh7YJ-upe1s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st7ivblVZwY
I came from the Touch (Elf) to the HD. The extra space on the screen means typing with the full Qwerty keyboard is much easier with fingers. I'm quicker with my finger tip than I am with the stylus, whereas the opposite was true with the Elf. I usually use the portrait screen mode and I like the layout of the keyboard in this mode.
On my Elf I installed PocketCM Keyboard which had the auto-correct feature similar to the keyboard of the iPhone. I miss this feature with my HD's keyboard although I'm making fewer mistakes even without this. The auto-correct meant that I could even type one-handed on the Elf but the bigger screen on the HD makes one-handed typing difficult.
But I agree that you should try the keyboard yourself before deciding.
You've got a fair few different styles with third aprty keyboards - something feature packed like touchpal (check youtube for examples), or resco/spb. Should be possible to customise it to suit your preferences.
Personally I like landscape mode, bashing away with both thumbs. The huge screen means the key sizes are quite practical.
Terrific feedback everyone - thanks! I saw a few videos just now, and it appears that you can crank with T9 or mini-QWERTY pretty well, but the full QWERTY in portrait looked a bit harder to use....maybe in Landscape it will be a bit easier?
No Mobile shops near me on Long Island, NY to test this out in-person, so I'm going to have to "wing it" and place the order if I decide on the HD.
Cheers.
I am having some problems with it because I come from a QVGA 2.8" and the WVGA 3.8" is really huge but considering that you have used an iPhone, the transition should be a lot smoother for you.
I am definitely getting the hang of it and improving by the day so I would say that typing is really great on it.
I actually switch a lot between built-in compact and full qwerty boards and leave T9 off. Anybody actually use any of the other built-ins, like the full keyboard etc?
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....maybe in Landscape it will be a bit easier?
No Mobile shops near me on Long Island, NY to test this out in-person, so I'm going to have to "wing it" and place the order if I decide on the HD.
Cheers.
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1. yes, landscape is easier (except for the send button issue I mentioned)
2. If you wing it - I don't think you'll be disappointed. Especially if you have been looking into it and know the pros and cons discussed in this forum. (Mostly pros)
One minor glitch I found using qwerty keyboard in landscape (using Gyrator2) is the displacement of the dot with the comma, so when you want to type one you have to click on the other and viceversa. This doesn't happen in portrait
Great - feedback - thanks for the quick replies everyone. I decided to indeed "wing it" - and I should have this bad-boy in my hands tomorrow morning!
I'll continue scrolling through the WiKi and such, but besides installing Gyrator2, another other suggestions for my "out of the box" approach?
Thanks!
I used to love the physical keyboard on the TyTn II (Kaiser) I had as it was the closest thing to a full size qwerty keyboard. Made typing a joy. I was weary to abandon a keyboard for strictly virtual keyboard. So I went to the local shop, tried typing and did not like it. I decided to wait till the HD Pro comes (or similar) but that beautifully large, high resolution screen kept bringing me back. I then decided to try it in landscape mode. I sadly found out that HTC did not provide that option, which lead me to this very wonderful forum for help. I found out that you could edit the registry to bring the option of rotating to landscape. I did that at the shop and then unfortunately found out the next fall, it would not remain in landscape because of TF3D home screen and the dialer. I did not hesitate about turning off TF3d because I u se SPB apps (almost all of them collectively on the home screen) but the dialer menu/screen , when accessed - to dial a number for example, would retard the screen back to portrait which made owning it frustrating. Thats till I found out that changing from the HTC dialer to the standard/default WM dialer would allow me to keep it in landscape. Apparently HTC designed thier dialer in portrait mode, which is restricted from rotating. I did eventually loose the HTC dialer (the WM dialer is not that nice) but the large screen, faster processor outweighed the dialer loss.
Typing in landscape mode using full qwerty keyboard is actually a bit easier but you have to get used to the fact that you will not get a physical response. You know , when you press the button and it goes back up. Other than this its not problem.
I do miss the shortcuts provided by the TyTn II keyboard. Like the Fn + ok turns on wifi, Fn+ -> key opens up the explorer window.
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Typing in landscape mode using full qwerty keyboard is actually a bit easier but you have to get used to the fact that you will not get a physical response.
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Look for "TouchResponse". This will make your phone vibrating by touching the screen.
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Look for "TouchResponse". This will make your phone vibrating by touching the screen.
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Oh My God man! I thank you infinitely!!!!!!!!!!
The little vibes gave me that "TyTn II keyboard" sensation I missed so much. Now I feel 100 times more comfortable looking at the text when typing rather watching whether I tapped the correct key on the keyboard.
Thanks to the generous creator of the app too.
The best part is that you can customize how intense the vibrations are.
Does "TouchResponse" make it vibrate only on the keyboard or does it vibrate in any and every application every time you touch the screen?
EDIT: By the way, can someone provide a link to TouchResponse. I can't seem to find it via search.
To have truly easy typing with your THUMB, use Tengo Thumb. It works like the T9 version of COMPACT QWERTY, except the keys are grouped into six areas instead of 12. Precision is not needed. When you need to type words not in the dictionary, use non-predictive typing with either finger nail or stylus to precisely touch the specific key within the large area.
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Does "TouchResponse" make it vibrate only on the keyboard or does it vibrate in any and every application every time you touch the screen?
EDIT: By the way, can someone provide a link to TouchResponse. I can't seem to find it via search.
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http://www.1800pocketpc.com/2008/12/12/touchresponse-022-vibrate-on-touch-for-windows-mobile.html
scroll down to the bottom.....
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http://www.1800pocketpc.com/2008/12/12/touchresponse-022-vibrate-on-touch-for-windows-mobile.html
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A-ha!! Thank you!
I tried the Blackberry Storm and the iPhone before switching to the Touch HD using SPB keyboard - having come from Sony Ericsson P series phones before that.
With SPB keyboard I can honestly say that I make as few mistakes as I do when typing on my laptop QWERTY. It's terrific. And I don't mean the auto-correction feature a la iPhone. This just isn't necessary as my accuracy is first rate on the huge keyboard.
When I got the 'phone I immediatly downloaded gyrator to have access to a landscape keyboard but I really don't need it. My accuracy is spot on in portrait.
Honeycomb 3.1 brought us a lot of minor tweaks and fixes, but I'm finding the new Quick Controls in the stock browser really addictive! Holding the tablet in landscape view, it's just soooo easy to slide in my right (or left) thumb and navigate backward, forward, to favorites, or refresh the page. Almost effortless - as if I needed to expend even less energy in the recliner browsing the web
Regardless of the little annoyances (like that infamous keyboard lag in some form boxes), I'm sticking with the stock browser for that feature alone.
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Honeycomb 3.1 brought us a lot of minor tweaks and fixes, but I'm finding the new Quick Controls in the stock browser really addictive! Holding the tablet in landscape view, it's just soooo easy to slide in my right (or left) thumb and navigate backward, forward, to favorites, or refresh the page. Almost effortless - as if I needed to expend even less energy in the recliner browsing the web
Regardless of the little annoyances (like that infamous keyboard lag in some form boxes), I'm sticking with the stock browser for that feature alone.
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Quick controls rock. I love that feature.
The only thing I miss is there doesn't seem to be a way to close/kill a tab if you enable quick controls.
Anyone know how to do this ?
i dont really like it because everytime i go to scroll i always end up poping that thing up instead from the side, u also cant use the slide bar with it which sucks. but each there own its just my own opinion
ozym said:
Quick controls rock. I love that feature.
The only thing I miss is there doesn't seem to be a way to close/kill a tab if you enable quick controls.
Anyone know how to do this ?
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I just use Quick Controls to open that tab (if it's not already) and then the 'X' to close it ... two thumb clicks
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I just use Quick Controls to open that tab (if it's not already) and then the 'X' to close it ... two thumb clicks
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Doh! I hadn't realised that those keys were + for new tab and x to close tab.
I assumed they were for zoom or something.
Good call
Yeah, I've been using the quick controls, they're great except the tab switching could be better.
I like quick controls when using the device in tablet mode, but it makes it impossible to use the browser when docked using the track pad and keyboard.
Tigrev said:
Honeycomb 3.1 brought us a lot of minor tweaks and fixes, but I'm finding the new Quick Controls in the stock browser really addictive! Holding the tablet in landscape view, it's just soooo easy to slide in my right (or left) thumb and navigate backward, forward, to favorites, or refresh the page. Almost effortless - as if I needed to expend even less energy in the recliner browsing the web
Regardless of the little annoyances (like that infamous keyboard lag in some form boxes), I'm sticking with the stock browser for that feature alone.
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been using it since the 3.1 update, absolutely love it... no address bar, no bookmarks, no buttons... love it.
Love it from day one with 3.0 now could they fix the lag!
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I like quick controls when using the device in tablet mode, but it makes it impossible to use the browser when docked using the track pad and keyboard.
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It's not impossible. Just click and hold within a few pixels of the screen edge (either side) then use another finger on the touchpad to navigate around the quick control arc.
Would be cool if the browser would swap back to normal when docked
Always used them with 3.0, loved it. Hate it in 3.1, mainly the way tabs are done. I wish it was like 3.0 quick controls
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Always used them with 3.0, loved it. Hate it in 3.1, mainly the way tabs are done. I wish it was like 3.0 quick controls
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Agreed. 3.0 implementation was much better. Tab management stinks in 3.1 because it's an extra step to switch to a tab and then close it. It also isn't easy to differentiate between tabs as you move your finger up and down the little windows.
Hi all,
do you use the mouse pad f.e. in Chrome browser (other apps as well)? My is working so bad.
Most time its scrolling the page, but I dont want to scroll. And I dont know why its scrolling because I didnt make a double tap or something else.
How do you use it? Is it working fine?
If your page is scrolling, you probably hit the spacebar. It takes getting used too, but it is definitely serviceable.
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If your page is scrolling, you probably hit the spacebar. It takes getting used too, but it is definitely serviceable.
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Ok, what is the right way to scroll? For example how do you scroll down and up in Chrome with mousepad?
You can't. I use the touchscreen or the arrow keys.
Space bar acts same as the dedicated "page down" key. "Page up" key takes you in the other direction. For fine granular line by line scrolling, use the dedicated cursor arrow keys. My Logitech Bluetooth mouse scroll wheel does proportional up and down scrolling.
I wish the onboard touchpad was multitouch and could do scrolling nicely, but it does not at the moment. Fingers crossed it's software fixable.
I use the arrow keys for keyboard scrolling. You might need to install chrome beta instead of the normal version.
I think the hardware supports multi touch, but it might be software related.
If you two finger hold in apps that support it, it does a right click. So it supports multitouch for sure. Major oversight not to have two finger scrolling, but I suspect it will come in time. My understanding is the windows version has it already.
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If you two finger hold in apps that support it, it does a right click. So it supports multitouch for sure. .
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Hi, what Android apps support that? I want to try it. Thanks!
I noticed it in crossover on the yoga book, but I feel like I've used it in other apps previously on other Android devices.
Just now played with the Windows 10 version of the Yoga Book and it's touchpad supports 2 finger scrolling in Windows explorer for sure.
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Just now played with the Windows 10 version of the Yoga Book and it's touchpad supports 2 finger scrolling in Windows explorer for sure.
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Yes, with the Windows Book you can use scrolling with two fingers. But with Android its not possible
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Yes, with the Windows Book you can use scrolling with two fingers. But with Android its not possible
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Such a pity as I know RemixOS flavor of Android supports touchpad 2 finger scroll and pinch to zoom.
Its worth noting too that if you activate the drawing pad you can use the pen to make the drawing pad a giant touch pad.
That's true, and it allows you to "hover" over menus in chrome. Identically to the S-pen on various Samsung Note devices. Makes me wonder why the mouse doesn't support it.
I don't know if I'm the only one to forget, but you can adjust the mouse pointer speed in settings under language and input.
Unlike the Android version at the moment, I found the Win10 Yoga book touchpad implementation also does pinch to zoom. No surprise if all Win 10 modern touchpad multi gestures are there too. I don't expect many people care so much about the omission from Android outside of us Android Yoga Book users.
Thought I'd let you guys know that someone posted a program some guy made to make some minor modifications to the touch-pad (only in Windows 10 though.. ) if you don't like how it feels/works. I also put it in my Megathread.
2 finger scroll works in the latest update!
With the last update to version 170519 the mousepad works mostly perfect.
old thread to me, but if you haven'tchunked it out the window, i found the expalanation - it is designed by lenovo not to work when typing- until you tap the white circle/dot in the middle. once i got that into my brain, it completely removed that aggravation of why it seemingly randomly got stuck.