Hi
I've got a Magic which I've rooted and am loving... The only thing I'm confused by is this:
Shortly after rooting it I loaded a new SPL (http://sapphire-port-dream.googlecode.com/files/spl-signed.zip).
It seems that ever since then the phone has felt a bit sluggish and jerky when jumpy when scrolling etc.
So my questions are:
What is the SPL?
What does it do?
How can I tell which SPL I'm running?
Where would I find a 'better' SPL?
Is it possible that the SPL is making the phone a bit sluggish?
regards
J.
I think that build is for the htc Dream aka. G1
You should probably revert to a build for htc sapphire aka. magic aka. G2
Then again maybe not..
It's the same that's linked to in step 13. of this guide http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Magic_Rooting
Hi Flip Flop,
Yeah, that's the post I got it from... but interestingly the ROMs that post refers to don't work on the South African Magic.
I'm still at a loss as to what the SPL does?
How do I tell which SPL is loaded now so that I can compare it to my friend's unmodified magic?
J.
arbitraryuser said:
Hi Flip Flop,
Yeah, that's the post I got it from... but interestingly the ROMs that post refers to don't work on the South African Magic.
I'm still at a loss as to what the SPL does?
How do I tell which SPL is loaded now so that I can compare it to my friend's unmodified magic?
J.
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An SPL, is a secondary program loader, an IPL (Initial Program Loader) is responsible for loading the SPL which in turn loads the operating system.
Hi s1nn0n,
Thanks for explaining that. How do I tell which SPL I've got on my phone?
j.
arbitraryuser said:
Hi s1nn0n,
Thanks for explaining that. How do I tell which SPL I've got on my phone?
j.
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Turn off your phone and then hold in the Back button and press Power.
Your phone should boot into fastboot mode (background image has 3 skating androids). Look for HBOOT-x.xx.xxx (blahblah).
Your SPL version is that number.
eg: HBOOT-1.33.2005 (SAPP10000) has an SPL version of 1.33.2005.
Hi Chris
My phone says "HBOOT-1.33.2005 (SAPP10000)"
Are there upgrades available? SPL upgrades are dangerous right?
Perhaps you know the answer to my other question... Can the SPL affect the phones performance?
j.
I'm not sure if the mechanics of spl's are the same on the android based phones, but for windows mobile based phones, the spl doesn't affect performance as much as the rom in general does. That's not to say that the spl that you loaded isn't causing conflicts with your current rom, it's just to say that your phone is probably experiencing issues based on something that isn't running right.
Did you load any other apps onto your g2 at the same time as spling it? Unlike apple phones, android based third party apps are allowed to hook into the actual function of the phone, this means that some things can affect the performance of core phone functions with negative results.
I am very new to the android party, but I've had experience with a lot of different htc phones, (raphael, shift, touch hd, athena, diamond, and now g2). If the hardware is at all similar between some of these models (and it most certainly is) then perhaps what I've suggested might be relevant.
Then again, perhaps I'm way off
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Okay, I've pretty much been self help during my tenure of android exploiting, to call what I do hacking is an insult to cyan, lucid and JF and all the work they are doing. but I want some opinions on what I should do next.
I know there is some other SPLs up there, I'm currently running the HardSPL (a modified version on the Enginneering SPL distributed with the ADP). Should I upgrade to a newer SPL (I.E. Haykuro), is there even a point seeing as I have A2SD with a class 6 chip? Note I do intend on staying with Cyan's JF builds.
I also understand upgrading to some SPLs require a newer Radio then I probably have. I believe I can find the radio version on the Camera + Power screen. What are the benifits to upgrading the Radio, and should I upgrade my Radio even if I decide the SPL isn't worth it?
Prodigal Sun, Hero Port, Aero, and Black Ice are all different themes, however I can't decide if I want to use one and which one. Prodigal Sun is my favorite by far, however I plan on using AHome, so I'm not sure it it will work. I also like Aeros toolbar up top look. Any other Themes that someone might suggest would be great. Remember I'm on JF 1.51 Cyan Edition
Okay, also this seems like a wierd question but as far as ADP vs .odex, which is better and what difference is there really? ADP seems to run faster even though .odex is supposed to be "optimized."
Thanks for any and all inputs!
dont anyone reply all at once now... >.>
I wouldn't upgrade to Haykuro's new SPL. First, you need to make sure you have the PVT and not DVT board (Hold Camera when booting and you'll see which one you have). If you have PVT, you can install it. If you have DVT, it will brick your device.
Next, it's been reported that once you upgrade to the new SPL, you can't downgrade your radio or it will brick your device as well.
Haykuro isn't as active anymroe since he's stopped developing ROMs so I assume there won't be much support for the SPL without Haykuro around much.
I think the risk outweighs the benefits at this point. That is just my 2 cents though. I would like to update to the new SPL as well =[
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I wouldn't upgrade to Haykuro's new SPL. First, you need to make sure you have the PVT and not DVT board (Hold Camera when booting and you'll see which one you have). If you have PVT, you can install it. If you have DVT, it will brick your device.
Next, it's been reported that once you upgrade to the new SPL, you can't downgrade your radio or it will brick your device as well.
Haykuro isn't as active anymroe since he's stopped developing ROMs so I assume there won't be much support for the SPL without Haykuro around much.
I think the risk outweighs the benefits at this point. That is just my 2 cents though. I would like to update to the new SPL as well =[
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Seconds that on the SPL:
I already bricked a phone.
Won't be trying it again until they 100% resolve the updating issue.
Stryder5 said:
I wouldn't upgrade to Haykuro's new SPL. First, you need to make sure you have the PVT and not DVT board (Hold Camera when booting and you'll see which one you have). If you have PVT, you can install it. If you have DVT, it will brick your device.
Next, it's been reported that once you upgrade to the new SPL, you can't downgrade your radio or it will brick your device as well.
Haykuro isn't as active anymroe since he's stopped developing ROMs so I assume there won't be much support for the SPL without Haykuro around much.
I think the risk outweighs the benefits at this point. That is just my 2 cents though. I would like to update to the new SPL as well =[
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Thanks for the heads up. I read that message like 2 minutes after I decided to flash the radio and SPL. I got lucky I just dodged a bullet I guess. My system is running without bricking so I should be good.
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Next, it's been reported that once you upgrade to the new SPL, you can't downgrade your radio or it will brick your device as well.
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Quick question: Why would anyone want to downgrade their radio?
I keep hearing this come up when people are discussing whether or not to flash to H's SPL and I never understood it.
they might not want to, however what if a file they goto load has the old radio in it, ie the RC29 file. that being the case they want to make sure they load up the hardspl or engineering spl then flash the update.zip or the nbh file that has the old radio in it.
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they might not want to, however what if a file they goto load has the old radio in it, ie the RC29 file. that being the case they want to make sure they load up the hardspl or engineering spl then flash the update.zip or the nbh file that has the old radio in it.
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Ah good point sir
You don't really need the new spl, unless your going to run hero build then you may want to. Dude, jf, cyanogen builds don't need it. I just flashed it to try hero and to get more space.
I didn't notice a diffrence when I flashed it. I was run CM 3.3.8 before and after. Thanks for lucids script tip
Ok, I will admit I am a total noobie with Android based phones. I have been on the Blackberry platform for years.
I just got my magic yesterday.
To my knowledge it has not been updated yet.
How would I go about seeing if it can be rooted? And what is the best way to get it rooted, if it can be?
I am an IT guy, I am not afraid to try things out, so give me some steps and I will do them ASAP.
Thanks!
1st, boot the phone by holding the back & power buttons. Tell us EXACTLY what is on the first 5 lines at the top of the screen.
From there you will know if your phone is rootable...
It says:
SAPPHIRE PVT 32A SHIP S-ON H
HBOOT-1.33.0009 (SAPP50000)
CPLD-12
RADIO-3.22.20.17
May 8 2009, 21:02:32 .
does this help?
Those specs were the same as mine. I used the Relentless Rooter software to root my phone. It was free then but you now have to pay (you can find it in the app forum).
You can also use the unlockr one click method. Check his site and video. Remember to use the instructions for 32A. Some posters wrote that they could not use this method (flashrec) to flash the latest Amon_Ra recovery and the solution was to shorten Amon_Ra's recovery's name. I know this sounds foreign language right now, but I do suggest you read and research a bit, specially the comments posted under the unlockr's method.
Once rooted, you can find various custom Roms for 32A in the developers section. Make sure the Rom fits your radio and SPL.
Oh, once rooted, I would suggest changing your SPL 1.33.009 to an engineered SPL, like mine (I use 1.33.2010). You can do a search at google or within the developers forum to find out why.
CONSIDER YOURSELF EXTREMELY FORTUNATE, you have a HTC Magic with an OLD non perfected SPL. Hell it isn't even a protected SPL you can load custom roms right away without having to flash a a new SPL.
HTC Magic with that SPL are becoming rarer by the day.
I would look into what ROMs you're interested in, if you want a 1.6 ROM, I would recommend Cyanogen 32A Port or Amon_RA's 1.6 ROM.
If you don't need 1.6 and like Sense UI (I suggest youtubing Sense UI and Stock Android to see which you prefer), CursorDroid's Sense UI ROM is in my opinion the BEST ROM available for the HTC Magic.
Cyanogen and Amon_Ra's ROM will work with your current SPL (I believe). While CursorDroid's requires you to flash the SPL and Radio of your phone. Which is a bit intimidating for novices but if your well prepared and pay close attention to instructions it's easy.
Thanks to all, I used some simple instrutions.
I now have:
6.35.10.18 Radio
1.76.2007 SPL
And I installed the CursorSense32A-1.2.6.1 rom.
This is way better.
networkdawg said:
Thanks to all, I used some simple instrutions.
I now have:
6.35.10.18 Radio
1.76.2007 SPL
And I installed the CursorSense32A-1.2.6.1 rom.
This is way better.
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Sweet, good job man.
I wish the person I bought my Rogers Magic from didnt do the update. Now I dont think I can root it
Wond3r said:
I wish the person I bought my Rogers Magic from didnt do the update. Now I dont think I can root it
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Maybe it was a new Magic which the person obtained from the HTC Dream upgrade.
Taknarosh said:
Maybe it was a new Magic which the person obtained from the HTC Dream upgrade.
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Yeah it was
Wond3r said:
Yeah it was
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Then for sure it was updated. Rogers wouldn't send out units with the bugged ROM.
Hi,
I've taken the plunge and finally moved from Windows Mobile to Andriod - picked up a HTC Magic (UK - Vodafone) its already sim unlocked... Having a play with it before i decide whether the HTC Supersonic is worth splashing out on when it comes out..
I know that you cant get the sense upgrade for the UK Vodafone HTC Magic - but i've seen some buzz words like rooting / flashing on here which suggests its still possible.
There are so many threads on here - its difficult to just find what i need - so if anyone could help i'd really appreciate
- Need a simple, idiot proof guide on how to get my HTC Magic with a sense rom on it (I have a 16gb memory card if it requires)
I just want a nice stable ROM which everythings works on - and a foolproof guide on how to install. So both pointing towards the guide, and pointed towards what the best ROM is.
Thanks for the help fellas
Since i don't have a clue what kind of magic the (UK - Vodafone) is i wont be able to guide you unless i start to search for info myself. So please provide me/us with more info about your phone and you probably have better luck getting help. What there will be useful to know is which Hardware revision and SPL you have. To figure that out you should check out the wiki there you should find more than enough info to get started. I will look back in this thread again tomorrow to see if you got further but still need some guidance.
Good luck with this, its not to hard as long as you care to read and read carefully before jumping into doing something there could brick your mobile. Bricks is often made when people does something without fully understanding what they are doing and what it does to the phone. But first of all figure out if you got a 32A or 32B board and what is the SPL. When you know this its easier to figure out what method you need to use to flash a cooked rom into the phone and what rom that will be suitable for the phone you got.
My guess is that since you write that the mobile wont get any sense update it will be a 32B board you got, but again this should not be a guessing game cause it can brick your mobile
You'll have to do some research on your own first. Get some ideas on what SPL's are, how to root, etc. etc. I did a month of research before I did root my phone and flashed different ROMs.
You need to provide your information about your phone like what SPL (although I would guess 1.33.0004 since I do have vodafone Magic as well), running on cupcake or donut, etc. That being said, I have a couple of sites that might be able to help you. Read/watch these thoroughly and understand them before you do root your phone.
http://theunlockr.com/category/howto/android_how_tos/htc-mytouch-3g-magic/ (a lot of video guides that you might find useful)
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php/Full_Update_Guide_-_MT3G/Magic_Firmware_to_CyanogenMod *****I rooted my phone by using cyanogenmod's method for "Non T-mobile 32B Magics". In the last step, you can flash a different ROM instead of cyanogen's if you really want sense, but I highly recommened cyanogenmod as your first choice of ROM since it is so awesome.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Sapphire_Hacking#sec02
Has a general info on 32B Magics. Useful website.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=529062
Has other newbie links.
Don't be in a hurry rooting your phone as you might do something wrong (although it's hard to with all the wonderful guides out there) and deeply regret it. Do your research before you root it. And also try out different ROMs out there for Sense. People have different opinions on each ROM.
Thanks both of you
Love this site - ever need a hand.. Always people around more than willing to throw you some advise.
I haven't gotten the phone yet - arrives tomorrow. So was pre researching for when i get it..
Thanks for all the tips, i'm definitely going to research this as much as possible before attempting it.. As you say, don't want to end up breaking the phone.
I will post back here tomorrow with the motherboard / firmware details it has etc. Then see what direction you guys can point me towards .
Thanks again
Ok fellas
SAPPHIRE PVT 32B SHIP S-ON G
HBOOT-1.33.0004 (SAPP10000)
CPLD-10
RADIO-2.22.19.261
Apr 9 2009,23:30:40
Those are the phone details
Where do i go from here . - "Non T-mobile 32B Magics" guide? and instead of cyanogenmod ROM use one i want?
Also any of u know what the most stable - fast Sense UI ROM is for the HTC Magic 32B is? - just want one like that with everything working.
From reading - looks like this is the best HTC Sense UI ROM to use:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=644275
Question i got - what is Death SPL - and do i need it.. And where in the guide im using, should i do this ext 4 stuff and how
Thanks
Righty -
I decided to just follow the "Non T-mobile 32B Magics" guide you suggested - and do the Sense UI ROM later..
All done . Everything went smoothly.
Now i do wanna try and Sense UI ROM - but do i need the Death SPL? - as searching.. It seems some say thats more for the G1. Not entirely sure..
Also it requires latest radio? u guys got a guide and where i should get the latest radio.. Or is my radio fine..
Ah is ok i managed to flash it
Decided to go back to cyanogenmod stable ROM - the Sense UI ROM is almost there, but not quite yet.
Your radio is fine as it is, it won't hurt to flash the newest radio though.
Haykuro/Danger/Death SPL are the same, 1.33.2005, and again do your research before you ask questions because just asking questions and getting specific answers won't get you much.
Same thing with partitioning your SD card. I recommend checking out theunlockr.com or watch videos from youtube (lots of guides there, I recommened ItsAndroidsWorld
thedalmeny said:
From reading - looks like this is the best HTC Sense UI ROM to use:
Your link was here.
Question i got - what is Death SPL - and do i need it.. And where in the guide im using, should i do this ext 4 stuff and how
Thanks
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When you've rooted your phone the Recover Image will provide you with the options you need to partition your card.
I've personally used this ROM and it is the fastest Sense port I've tried though not something I use every day as it's not as fast as the 1.6 (Donut) based ROMs.
My personal favourite is SuperFast made by HTCClay. He also has a FastTest ROM which has links on this site but you can grab the SuperFast ROM from here the Android Spin forums. I'd post a link but it won't let me yet.
It's fast and stable and I love it.
If you want the DroidEris ROM then your phone should be able to handle it without resorting to a Death/Danger/Whatever SPL. I have the UK Vodafone Magic and I've not had to flash any new radios or SPLs to use those ROMs.
Be careful though. Once you flash one ROM you can't stop!!!
I'm a SERIAL FLASHER!!! AAAAHHH!!!
htc maguc help
Hi
this is my info please help me unlock my sin
imei 354030037017034
phone was with T mobile in the states
htc magic
thank you
never post your imei as it could be used against you=)
Hey guys,
I have been browsing this forum extensively for the past two days and must say there is wealth of resources here and lot of knowledge sharing.
However I find that most of the threads are bit on the steep side for a Windows mobile novice like me to understand. I just got a new HD2 few days back.
Can some one please give a one line meanings of below terms and if possible links on this site or elsewhere that can give a lay mans definition. Once I got a hang of the terms then I can go around on my own. I am sure there are many like me.
- HSPL (I saw the main HSPL thread but does not explain what is HSPL)
- Flashing
- Cooked ROM, stock ROM
- Radio
- SPL
Thanks in advance.
Metal
metal675 said:
Hey guys,
I have been browsing this forum extensively for the past two days and must say there is wealth of resources here and lot of knowledge sharing.
However I find that most of the threads are bit on the steep side for a Windows mobile novice like me to understand. I just got a new HD2 few days back.
Can some one please give a one line meanings of below terms and if possible links on this site or elsewhere that can give a lay mans definition. Once I got a hang of the terms then I can go around on my own. I am sure there are many like me.
- HSPL (I saw the main HSPL thread but does not explain what is HSPL)
- Flashing
- Cooked ROM, stock ROM
- Radio
- SPL
Thanks in advance.
Metal
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Hi and welcome!
You might want to read this wiki:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=SPL Questions?
It should cover all of the above (it is designed for a non-HD2 device, but the explanations aren't dependant on model).
metal675 said:
- HSPL (I saw the main HSPL thread but does not explain what is HSPL)
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"HSPL" or "Hard SPL" is a bootloader. What this means is that it's software that goes on your phone which is invoked as the phone loads, and from there loads the operating system and/or presents and executes other advanced functions.
The default bootloader is "locked" so that only signed ROMs can be flashed. HSPL un-"locks" this so you can flash any ROM.
metal675 said:
- Flashing
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"Flashing" refers to writing to ROM. When you "flash" a phone you write a new operating system to its ROM.
metal675 said:
- Cooked ROM, stock ROM
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A "stock" ROM is one distributed and/or made by the OEM. A "cooked" ROM is one distributed and/or made by a non-OEM.
The ROMs you can download from HTC's site are "stock".
The ROMs you can download in the ROM forum are "cooked".
metal675 said:
- Radio
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The "radio" is the firmware that goes on your phone that controls most of its BIOS functions.
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- SPL
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A bootloader for the phone. The "H" in "HSPL" means "Hard" meaning it's un-"locked".
Great responses.
rp-x1,
Thats precisely the kind of url I was looking for. It explains fair bit on SPL. Are there any other pages here, perhaps one which is indexed or a step by step tutorials going further into flashing and explaining other terms?
Spike 15,
Thanks for the definitions.
So I understand that 'flashing' is a Winmo term for actually changing the core rom.
If i relate it to Windows terminology, then I guess ROM in WinMo is similar to set of custom dll, exe's in Windows that affects the core OS.
Also, what is a signed and unsigned ROM? I know in Symbian we have signed and unsigned apps but they can be self signed, I guess this must be something similar.
- Is installing HSPL (the one on this forum) recommended?
- How would I determine that I need to upgrade or change to another ROM be it stock or cooked?
For e.g. I tried installing the new HTC rom from their website but I got an invalid vendor id. I believe that is because my phone is locked to T Mobile UK. Would HSPL + a WWE ROM unlock the phone?
Thanks again.
Metal
Bringing up thread.
Can someone please respond?
Should I really install HSPL or a Soft SPL?
If it is HSPL can I use the one given on this
link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=611433
Should i use the HSPL.zip and HSPL2_RUN.zip ?
I am locked to T Mobile but want to use O2, will Hard SPL allow me to do that? Means if I do HSPL and then flash a WWE rom
Thanks
Metal,
Before you do anything there has been early Tmobile USA hd2's out there so i have to ask... do you have a hd2 from europe or from USA.
the new TMobile USA hd2 has SPL 2.X.X, the hspl you see around is for the europe one and WILL NOT work on TMO USA HD2.
U asked if it was recommended... well it does void the warranty... but you can go backwards if needed to send into repairs, but that scares some people in to even attempting this for a 500-800 dollar device.
Now away from that part of it, yes unlocking your phone allows you to flash these "cooked" roms into your phone... which by theory will make your phone work faster, better, and do things it "should have" out the box. There are normally little treats as well as built in software that makes your experience better because you don't have to load on apps and slow down your phone because they are already "cooked" into the ROM.
Boredtonite,
Thanks for the reply.
I am on T Mobile UK, so I assume that it is the European version.
I had a look at few vids on youtube regarding flashing and then reverting it back, so it does not look that difficult to me.
Only thing that I want to know is if I should do it, if yes which is the correct version I should use.
Can anyone provide me the link to the correct version of HSPL that I should use for my T Mobile UK phone
Also once I run that is it recommended if I flash the HTC wwe rom from its website?
Can anyone tell me what is the new of Radio and spl for Magic?
Thankyou
exe127 said:
Can anyone tell me what is the new of Radio and spl for Magic?
Thankyou
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Can you tell us what your current spl and radio is?
By the way... how is this related to Apps or Games?
Wrong section and not enough information.
Give me one reason not to close this thread.
I'll move it to General but for future reference I'm going to start just deleting posts that aren't posted in the right section and the OP may even receive a ban for a day or two for repeated offenses. Just FYI.
When the ROM devs refer to the new radio they are refering to the 6.35 radio, im not going down to the exact number mines 6.35.08.29 for example (theres a slightly newer one) and I dont know what people really consider a new SPL (still noob here) but I've found most hacks are compatible with the 1.76.1007 SPL (enginereerings SPL I beleive) and majority of people seem to be running it including me Sorry if that was a little confusing lol
Have a good one mate.
As far as I know, the RADIO is the firmware which controls all communications (WiFi, 3G, Bluetooth...) and the SPL... good question!
It stands for Second Program Loader, essentially the Android Bootloader. It also provides some other functionalities like, f.i., boot options (recovery mode, fastboot, etc), it checks that the recovery ROM is digitally signed, contains the start up picture, etc.
I am not completely sure of what to do with it; some guides recommend to replace it with a engineered one, some others not, it seems to be required to update it to install the new recovery from Amon_RA....
I would like also to understand what is exactly the role of each part in this game and what are the dependencies in terms of updates: RECOVERY, SPL, RADIO and ROM.
Cheers.
Thankyou everyone.
My current Radio is 3.22.23.18
and 2010 spl,
is my radio is latest in 3 family?
I see G1 has 3.22.26.17, is it suitable for Magic?
Thankyou
anyone knows the new radio is 3.22.26.17 or 3.22.23.18 for Magic?
Thz in advance
Remember that 32A and 32B magics use different radios...