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Using New SPL, can I downgrade from 1.5 to 1.1

I'm looking to downgrade from 1.5 to 1.1, but I'm running haykuro's new spl.
I know that JF 1.1 builds have a different boot.img, and I'm not sure if it's compatible with the new SPL. I definitely don't want to brick my precious....
Do any of you far more knowledgeable memebers/devs know if this could potentially brick my phone? Obviously, this isn't something I want to just jump into...
I did a search but couldn't really find anything...
Oh, and this is for beta-testing purposes... thats why I'd like to downgrade. AFAIK all of the current 1.5 builds are missing tty from the kernel (please correct me if I'm wrong) and I need that to begin testing.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Run the organelle img from the begin when you first rooted
I have tested this and it works. You will need to reroot after you link back to RC29

Well see, thats the thing, i would rather not flash dreaimg.nbh
I know that would work, but I'd like to keep the new spl...
i'm wondering if anyone has successfully reverted to 1.1 while using new spl and without bricking.
So i guess my ? is more about the compatibility of boot.img and the new spl....
Also, anyone know why JF's new kernel does not include tty? Anyone up for compiling a new boot.img/kernel?

Just make sure the 1.1 update you're applying does not have a radio update in it! Some of the old JF builds might have radios in them
If you don't downgrade the radio and don't touch the SPL, the worst that can happen is the Android 1.1 won't boot. You'll still be able to get into the SPL and fastboot. But I really doubt even this would happen - I'm 99% sure you can downgrade on the new SPL without any negative consequences.
Just make a Nandroid backup in case.

So I guess there's nothing left to do but try it... hopefully it won't brick.
Love the new SPL, but my lack of understanding for how things actually work makes me paranoid. no one wants to see their 400$ mini computer crap out on them...
oh well if it doesn't work then I have a really good excuse to pick up a magic.
UPDATE: Downgraded to JF ADP1.43H with no issues... Phone works fine. No issues or problems so far.

Rom question.

Hey there. I've ordered an htc magic, and since it has a 288mb memory, i suppose it's the 32A version (we'll see when it gets here though).
I basically want to turn my magic into the HTC Hero (well the UI at least..) I've spent most of my day today reading about how to flash roms, which ones offer this or that, what the problems are and so on. After about 10 hours of reading, i came across this:
htc.com/hk-en/SupportViewNews.aspx?dl_id=765&news_id=355
on the HTC webpage (EDIT: please add "w w w." in front of the text as the forum won't let me insert a link)
And my first question is... What's the difference between that official rom and, say, the CursorSense32A-1.2.6.1 ROM - which i take is the most popular around here.

Just use Cursor's ROM. You won't regret it.

I'm sure it must be better. I just wanted to know basic differences...
Is CursorSense using Android 2.1 or the normal 1.5?

Cursor is using the 1.5 with SenseUI interface. If you really want the 2.1 i would recommend you check Super-Hero from ahmgsk also with SenseUI.

2.1 is most likely unstable. It's ok but I personally prefer stability. Just grab cursorsense and you basically have yourself the hero, but be careful flashing radio and spl.

KAwAtA said:
2.1 is most likely unstable. It's ok but I personally prefer stability. Just grab cursorsense and you basically have yourself the hero, but be careful flashing radio and spl.
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That was my main concern about the cursorsense and that's why i was looking for the official HTC Sense UI update. I still don't know what their difference is and what more does cursorsense offer.
I am a computer engineer, so it SHOULDN'T be that big of a deal to flash some firmware on a cell phone, i just have a lot of reading to do, which is not all in one place in a form of a tutorial or something.
If anyone has some useful links to provide, you'd save my day. Thanks a mil once again.

give us the fastboot details on your phone and I'm sure someone (including myself) can help you in the process. Just follow instructions and you should be fine but we'll guide if necessary. Lastly, is that 32A the one with the headphone jack? (If it is, I can't help you too much lol, I can point you places but that's it)

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That was my main concern about the cursorsense and that's why i was looking for the official HTC Sense UI update. I still don't know what their difference is and what more does cursorsense offer.
I am a computer engineer, so it SHOULDN'T be that big of a deal to flash some firmware on a cell phone, i just have a lot of reading to do, which is not all in one place in a form of a tutorial or something.
If anyone has some useful links to provide, you'd save my day. Thanks a mil once again.
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Not to be rude but this link was on the CursorSense thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=605239
Just follow it step by step. It doesn't take a Computer Engineer to figure it out, by the way it's written and explained.
Also, the official update flashes your radio to the 6.35 radio, so I'll say it again, just go with cursor's ROM you won't regret it.
It's fast, it has no carrier branding, it's fast, it's stable and did I mention it's fast?

I advice you against using an official rom. specially if you want to make modifications/root/hack your phone. those official roms usually fix bugs that are needed for hacky things to be done, such as gaining root.

My phone has not arrived yet so i cannot provide any more information as of now.

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I advice you against using an official rom. specially if you want to make modifications/root/hack your phone. those official roms usually fix bugs that are needed for hacky things to be done, such as gaining root.
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Okay so here is a biggie that i need help for.
I am looking into buying a used HTC Magic (32A) that is in mint condition. The seller told me, after i asked him if i can use an unofficial rom on his, that he has flashed an official rom on it and is unsure if i will be able to flash modified ROMs.
He shall provide me the SPL and Radio versions tomorrow, as well as the ROM version he is using.
What do you think i should do? In case the SPL is perfected (which i suppose is what devbro meant) is there any way to revert back to an engineering SPL and Radio (i am looking into using Cursor's ROM).
Thanks guys. And i shall be providing the Info as soon as i get it so you can help me decide.

It's called a 'perfect' SPL for a reason. Just get the Radio and SPL and post it up, we'll be able to tell at that point if it is flashable.

So here are the information guys. Please let me know if the phone is flashable:
SAPPHIRE PVT 32A SHIP S-ON H
ΗΒΟΟΤ-1.76.0009 (SΑP10000)
CPLD-12
RADIO-6.35.08.29
DEC 8 2009,17:38:48

Nope, that indeed is the perfect spl. It has not been successfully flashed yet.

So what would you do? Get another phone with a non perfected SPL, or get that one in hope that someone will find a workaround and maybe a wait for an official 2.1 eclair android update for htc magic (although i doubt it tbh).
how bad is the official htc sense ui compared to cursorsense's?

Myself, I bought a 2nd Magic, so I have 2 rootable phones.
As for the comparison between official HTC releases and Cursor....I have no idea as I've only used cooked ROM's. Both of my phones came pre-rooted, so I never had the pleasure of a stock ROM. LoL
The official 2.1 should be here in the next few months (as late as June), if you can wait, else you will need to drop the $529US+++ on a Nexus 1.

I wish i had the money for a nexus.. but i don't.
This guy is selling his HTC magic for quite cheap (200 dollars) that is seriously in mint condition (but unflashable) and i was very interested. What i really want is a phone that will be able to get the 2.1 android. HTC might not release it officially for the magic, that's what concerns me, and i was thinking if they don't i would be able to flash it myself via a custom rom.

Well then definately wait until you find one with a flashable HBOOT.
With so many people buying N1's there will be Magic's up for sale. I paid $200CND for my 2nd magic, from a local guy who bought a N1. My first magic I traded my HTC Dream for, not sure what the girl was thinking, but she didn't want the Magic and I was more then happy to trade. LoL

Well i am also thinking of getting the hero and get it over with. the hero will deffo get the 2.1 eclair.. What do you think?

I've never even seen a Hero, let alone used one.

Can anyone tell me what is the new of Radio and spl?

Can anyone tell me what is the new of Radio and spl for Magic?
Thankyou

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Can anyone tell me what is the new of Radio and spl for Magic?
Thankyou
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Can you tell us what your current spl and radio is?
By the way... how is this related to Apps or Games?
Wrong section and not enough information.
Give me one reason not to close this thread.
I'll move it to General but for future reference I'm going to start just deleting posts that aren't posted in the right section and the OP may even receive a ban for a day or two for repeated offenses. Just FYI.

When the ROM devs refer to the new radio they are refering to the 6.35 radio, im not going down to the exact number mines 6.35.08.29 for example (theres a slightly newer one) and I dont know what people really consider a new SPL (still noob here) but I've found most hacks are compatible with the 1.76.1007 SPL (enginereerings SPL I beleive) and majority of people seem to be running it including me Sorry if that was a little confusing lol
Have a good one mate.

As far as I know, the RADIO is the firmware which controls all communications (WiFi, 3G, Bluetooth...) and the SPL... good question!
It stands for Second Program Loader, essentially the Android Bootloader. It also provides some other functionalities like, f.i., boot options (recovery mode, fastboot, etc), it checks that the recovery ROM is digitally signed, contains the start up picture, etc.
I am not completely sure of what to do with it; some guides recommend to replace it with a engineered one, some others not, it seems to be required to update it to install the new recovery from Amon_RA....
I would like also to understand what is exactly the role of each part in this game and what are the dependencies in terms of updates: RECOVERY, SPL, RADIO and ROM.
Cheers.

Thankyou everyone.
My current Radio is 3.22.23.18
and 2010 spl,
is my radio is latest in 3 family?
I see G1 has 3.22.26.17, is it suitable for Magic?
Thankyou

anyone knows the new radio is 3.22.26.17 or 3.22.23.18 for Magic?
Thz in advance

Remember that 32A and 32B magics use different radios...

New User with HD2

Hi, I recently bought a T-mobile HD2, the unit isn't unlocked yet but I plan to unlock it and use it with AT&T, anyways I'm interested in running Android on the device. Would updating the HD2 from the HTC website which I believe is the official update website prohibit me in anyway from locking out Android or do anything negative in terms of customization of the HD2 unit?

I am running the updated rom 2.13 I am on t-mobile though and I am able to use android all day but once I restart it reverts back to WM. So I am not sure if this helps you...I was able to get everything running but the calls sounded robotic. I read I needed to flash to a new rom.

Poopmonkey said:
Hi, I recently bought a T-mobile HD2, the unit isn't unlocked yet but I plan to unlock it and use it with AT&T, anyways I'm interested in running Android on the device. Would updating the HD2 from the HTC website which I believe is the official update website prohibit me in anyway from locking out Android or do anything negative in terms of customization of the HD2 unit?
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Well first, if you have the T-Mobile version of the phone, you do NOT want to use an update from the HTC site, that's for the euro version of the phone. The upgraded stock rom that you can use is available on T-Mobile's support page for the HD2.
Now, flashing to the correct updated ROM will not prevent you from doing anything...you'll still be able to unlock it later, you can still run Android, and you can still do any customizations you want. It's just a newer version of the stock ROM that originally came on the phone.

Hey, thanks so much guys, I'll search for the T-mobile page. I'm glad you guys caught it before I bricked me phone.

BTW, I read that you the T-Mobile Version of the HD2 doesnt use radios. What exactly are radios? I know they mean like firmware versions but what is the term. Also, do you guys recommend flashing a different WM rom or just keep the stock one? I tried to read about Android on the HD2 but I need some user advice. Is Android now stable enough for everyday use on the HD2? Also, could you use applications on the HD2 Android Rom? Will they work as they should? Lastly, why didn't the developers develop a Android rom that you could flash so you didn't have to reboot into it after every Hard Reset?

Poopmonkey said:
BTW, I read that you the T-Mobile Version of the HD2 doesnt use radios. What exactly are radios? I know they mean like firmware versions but what is the term.
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The US HD2 certainly does use radios, it just uses different ones than the euro version...in fact, that's most of the reason the wrong ROM could brick your phone, because of radio incompatibility. As you said, the radios you see referred to here are the firmware packages used to control the hardware radios in the phone (voice, 3G/EDGE, GPS, WiFi, BT). When you flash a different radio, you're applying a different set of settings to the way all that functions.
Also, do you guys recommend flashing a different WM rom or just keep the stock one?
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That's generally completely a matter of personal opinion, some people will tell you that using a custom ROM is so critical that if you don't your grandchildren will walk funny, etc....whereas I am doing just fine running the stock ROM and just manually tweaking and hacking it to my liking, part by part. However, if you're going to be running Android on it, there's evidence that having a custom ROM vs the stock will help with some of the known problems with the Android ports that are available.
I tried to read about Android on the HD2 but I need some user advice. Is Android now stable enough for everyday use on the HD2? Also, could you use applications on the HD2 Android Rom? Will they work as they should?
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There's several builds available, and all of the current ones are remarkably stable compared to the first attempts. But, I believe that that there's still not any that are absolutely 100% fully-functional...each has some minor drawback or caveat, like BT or 3G or the camera not working right, but usually that's the only issue(s). Also, it's been a couple of days since I checked on those, so they may have come even farther since then. One common drawback to all of them though is the heaaavvvy battery drain...but this is also being addressed as quickly as possible. And yes, in every build the apps and marketplace seem to be working just as they would on any factory android install.
Lastly, why didn't the developers develop a Android rom that you could flash so you didn't have to reboot into it after every Hard Reset?
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That seems to have become the final frontier for Android on the HD2...the release of a fully stand-alone ROM. Trust me, they are working on that, there's tons of members here drooling and waiting for that exact thing. It requires a completely different method of loading Android into memory, so there's a lot more kinks to work out

sirphunkee said:
The US HD2 certainly does use radios, it just uses different ones than the euro version...in fact, that's most of the reason the wrong ROM could brick your phone, because of radio incompatibility. As you said, the radios you see referred to here are the firmware packages used to control the hardware radios in the phone (voice, 3G/EDGE, GPS, WiFi, BT). When you flash a different radio, you're applying a different set of settings to the way all that functions.
That's generally completely a matter of personal opinion, some people will tell you that using a custom ROM is so critical that if you don't your grandchildren will walk funny, etc....whereas I am doing just fine running the stock ROM and just manually tweaking and hacking it to my liking, part by part. However, if you're going to be running Android on it, there's evidence that having a custom ROM vs the stock will help with some of the known problems with the Android ports that are available.
There's several builds available, and all of the current ones are remarkably stable compared to the first attempts. But, I believe that that there's still not any that are absolutely 100% fully-functional...each has some minor drawback or caveat, like BT or 3G or the camera not working right, but usually that's the only issue(s). Also, it's been a couple of days since I checked on those, so they may have come even farther since then. One common drawback to all of them though is the heaaavvvy battery drain...but this is also being addressed as quickly as possible. And yes, in every build the apps and marketplace seem to be working just as they would on any factory android install.
That seems to have become the final frontier for Android on the HD2...the release of a fully stand-alone ROM. Trust me, they are working on that, there's tons of members here drooling and waiting for that exact thing. It requires a completely different method of loading Android into memory, so there's a lot more kinks to work out
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Wow, thank you so much sirphunkee, you sir are a scholar with your detailed response. Anyways, I apologize but I am intrigued by your response and more questions evolve. Once my HD2 comes I assume it will have a older ROM version and a official T-Mobile Update will be available for me. Now, I'm just wondering would I need to worry about what radios I need or will that be taken care of for me.
Also, I'm still a little confused on the whole radio aspect. For example, in this picture located here:
hxxp://support.t-mobile.com/doc/images/tm54430/tm54430_06.gif
The image version is different one is 2.10.531.1 and the other 2.13.531.1. Are these the radio versions or is this like the ROM version. If so how do I find out what my Hd2s radio is? I mean before I flash a rom how do I find out the radio it contains? For example on your HD2, sirphunkee, in your signature, you have:
ROM: 2.10.531.1 (82076) WWE/5.2.21889 (Stock 6.5)
Sense: 2.5.2012
Radio: 2.08.50.08_2
So I assume that you don't have the latest stock ROM right? Also, what does the WWE mean in your ROM version. Would you recommend me updating my HD2 to the latest stock ROM or not?
Also, I read before you flash a phone you need to install HSPL3 on the phone. This is what I'm told is a bootloader. But then Im also told that usually this bootloader is paired with official or leaked roms so that each SPL matches the ROM, so if I need to flash a HSPL3 on my HD2 before I flash a custom ROM do I need to redo it everytime? I mean the HSPL3 is supposedly hard bootloader that survives a hard reset so it won't be wiped from the device until I overwrite it so does that mean I need reflash it everytime I get a new rom so it matches the ROM?
Anyways, sirphunkee, you mention tweaking the stock ROM, would you recommend BSB tweaks or something else because I read about it and users have discovered that they lose some functions after tweaking their phones. Also would I need to install this if I just plan to tweak the original/stock rom?
Furthermore, is Android on the HD2 currently run over/on top of the WM OS so could that be the cause of the heavy battery drain? Also, is the Android OS on the HD2 booted through an exploit in the firmware of the HD2? If so could this be patched? Just a personal opinion of everyone here do you believe that Android on the HD2 that is flashed onto the HD2's NAND itself will be possible/could this final frontier be achieved?
Again I would like to sincerely thank you for everyone's patience with me, especially sirphunkee. Thank you.

No problem!
Poopmonkey said:
Once my HD2 comes I assume it will have a older ROM version and a official T-Mobile Update will be available for me. Now, I'm just wondering would I need to worry about what radios I need or will that be taken care of for me.
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Most of the HD2's built or shipped in the past 2 months have the newer ROM on them, but even if yours doesn't then yes you can just go to the T-Mobile site and get the newer one.
Both of the stock ROM's have the radio(s) included, so you don't have to worry about it if you just stay with one of those ROM's. If you flash a custom ROM it (usually) won't have a radio included, it'll just use whatever radio was already on your phone (i.e. whatever one came with the stock ROM originally). You can flash to different radio versions....ONLY ones that are clearly labeled as being compatible with the US HD2...doesn't matter if you're running a stock or custom ROM, but it does require HSPL first before a radio can be flashed.
Also, I'm still a little confused on the whole radio aspect. For example, in this picture located here:
hxxp://support.t-mobile.com/doc/images/tm54430/tm54430_06.gif
The image version is different one is 2.10.531.1 and the other 2.13.531.1. Are these the radio versions or is this like the ROM version. If so how do I find out what my Hd2s radio is? I mean before I flash a rom how do I find out the radio it contains? For example on your HD2, sirphunkee, in your signature, you have:
ROM: 2.10.531.1 (82076) WWE/5.2.21889 (Stock 6.5)
Sense: 2.5.2012
Radio: 2.08.50.08_2
So I assume that you don't have the latest stock ROM right? Also, what does the WWE mean in your ROM version. Would you recommend me updating my HD2 to the latest stock ROM or not?
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The original stock T-Mobile US ROM (yes, the one I'm running currently) is 2.10.531.1 ("2.10" for short), and the newer one that's been released is 2.13...so that pic you linked there just shows the stock upgrade utility about to upgrade a ROM to the new version (with an included radio).
You can tell what ROM/Radio is on your phone by reading the little text that appears on the bottom of the screen during bootup, and you can also access that info through a settings option once the phone is running.
"WWE" = "WorldWide English"....just means that I have an english-based ROM. Other languages are available by applying ROM's specifically built for that language, but I honestly don't even know if any exist for the T-Mobile HD2, I think they're only available for the euro model.
Since it's very easy to flash the upgraded stock ROM, if your phone comes with the older one I would just suggest running that for a few days and see if it gives you any headaches....if so, then just go ahead and flash to the newer one. There's a number of threads in this section that discuss the differences in the stock ROM's, and the advantages/disadvantages of each. Regardless of which stock ROM you have, the process to flash to a custom ROM is the same either way (HSPL, etc).
Also, I read before you flash a phone you need to install HSPL3 on the phone. This is what I'm told is a bootloader. But then Im also told that usually this bootloader is paired with official or leaked roms so that each SPL matches the ROM, so if I need to flash a HSPL3 on my HD2 before I flash a custom ROM do I need to redo it everytime? I mean the HSPL3 is supposedly hard bootloader that survives a hard reset so it won't be wiped from the device until I overwrite it so does that mean I need reflash it everytime I get a new rom so it matches the ROM?
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HSPL is "permanent", in the sense that it remains on your phone until you manually flash a different HSPL (like flashing back to stock SPL should you need to return the phone for warranty reasons). Once you have HSPL (yes, a hard bootloader) on your phone (HSPL3 being the latest/best to use), you can flash all the different custom ROMs or radios that you want, without having to apply HSPL again.
Anyways, sirphunkee, you mention tweaking the stock ROM, would you recommend BSB tweaks or something else because I read about it and users have discovered that they lose some functions after tweaking their phones. Also would I need to install this if I just plan to tweak the original/stock rom?
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There a bunch of different things you can to to tweak a stock ROM, or to futher tweak a custom one, and BsB is just a nice tight convenient collection of some of the more common ones. I use BsB and don't have any issues related to it, but I also skip a few of the settings in it ("tap time" for example) that have caused issues for other users. Besides BsB, I also use HD2Tweak, JWMD Icon Changer, CHT/CHTE, as well as a whole list of other stand-alone tweaks that come in the form of cab files, or manual registry hacks...some are related to performance or function, while some are strictly visual or style tweaks.
Furthermore, is Android on the HD2 currently run over/on top of the WM OS so could that be the cause of the heavy battery drain? Also, is the Android OS on the HD2 booted through an exploit in the firmware of the HD2? If so could this be patched? Just a personal opinion of everyone here do you believe that Android on the HD2 that is flashed onto the HD2's NAND itself will be possible/could this final frontier be achieved?
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I originially thought the same (that Android ran in parallel with WM and that was causing the batt drain), but from what I read it actually shuts down WM when it runs, so I guess that isn't the cause of the drain...but honestly I haven't been able to keep up with all the finer details of the Android porting that's going on. And yes, a version of Androd that will load straight to NAND at bootup is the final hurdle I was talking about, and that's exactly what a number of dev's are trying very hard to make happen....I suspect that a breakthrough in that is right around the corner, but I'm no dev so take that with a grain of salt!
Hope that helps! It will be a lot easier once you have the unit in-hand and can play with it yourself. Also be sure to look over this thread (if you haven't already): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=663845

Thank you again sirphunkee! Anyways I just got my hd2 and for the most part I like it. Though, I have a question, how can I backup my contacts so that after a new rom install I dont need to relink their facebook accounts again? Basically, I don't have the same names for my contacts, I only have first names so I have to redo it manually one by one and I want to use activesync to do it but it's telling me I need Outlook. Why do I need Outlook? Isn't that a stupid outdated email application? Also, how do you remove all the bloatware like blockbuster from the HD2? Is flashing a custom rom the only option?

Also, I noticed a problem that windows marketplace apps seem to not install. I try to install Skyfire and I see the progress bar and it goes to like 3/4 of the way and never goes past that.
An unrelated question I want to install HSPL3 I have a SPL 2.10.000 on my Stock 2.13 T-Mobile I'm wondering since in the instructions it tells me, that:
*YOU CAN NOW CHOOSE WHICH VERSION OF SPL OR HARDSPL YOU WANT TO FLASH TO YOUR PHONE*
*You can only select between SPL2.08.0000 or 2.08.HSPL. This is to avoid people with 1024LEO's installing an incompatable version and bricking their device*
What exactly am I suppose to pick? A SPL or HSPL? I mean I want to run Android but will this HSPL interfere with my stock ROM? Also, can someone give me like specific instructions on what I need to pick in the installer?

anyone have a idea? I'd like to experiment with android but i wanna make sure i have the right settings to i dontt have a brick in my hands after I'm done.

Poopmonkey said:
Also, I noticed a problem that windows marketplace apps seem to not install. I try to install Skyfire and I see the progress bar and it goes to like 3/4 of the way and never goes past that.
An unrelated question I want to install HSPL3 I have a SPL 2.10.000 on my Stock 2.13 T-Mobile I'm wondering since in the instructions it tells me, that:
*YOU CAN NOW CHOOSE WHICH VERSION OF SPL OR HARDSPL YOU WANT TO FLASH TO YOUR PHONE*
*You can only select between SPL2.08.0000 or 2.08.HSPL. This is to avoid people with 1024LEO's installing an incompatable version and bricking their device*
What exactly am I suppose to pick? A SPL or HSPL? I mean I want to run Android but will this HSPL interfere with my stock ROM? Also, can someone give me like specific instructions on what I need to pick in the installer?
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If you're just going to put android on the phone, you don't need to mess with H/SPL at all...you only need that if you're going to flash to a custom winmo ROM before putting Android on there.

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If you're just going to put android on the phone, you don't need to mess with H/SPL at all...you only need that if you're going to flash to a custom winmo ROM before putting Android on there.
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Thanks for your reply once again sirphunkee, but it says in this thread that I need HSPL3 to get android to run stably.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=732380
Also, don't you need HSPL3 to flash a custom ROM in the first place as described here?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=653614

Poopmonkey said:
Thanks for your reply once again sirphunkee, but it says in this thread that I need HSPL3 to get android to run stably.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=732380
Also, don't you need HSPL3 to flash a custom ROM in the first place as described here?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=653614
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I think what that thread is saying is that having a custom ROM is what helps with the stability of Android, not just putting HSPL3 on there (unless that's buried in that thread somewhere that I missed...). But yes, putting a custom ROM on the phone would have the prerequisite of HSPL anyway.
I don't have a custom ROM or even HSPL on my HD2, and I'm currently using the Desire v5 build of Android on here. It seems to run very stable, but I haven't yet gotten a few things working on it (i.e. 3G)...I can't say if a custom ROM would make those things work, but I can say it doesn't ever crash or hang or seem to slow down at all.
I just wanted you to know that HSPL wasn't mandatory for you to be able to try out Android on your phone.

Ok thank you so much sirphunkee again. Anyways, I'm wondering if you know why my weather will not update now when I ask it to on a Wifi connection. I try to update it and just says that its a connection error. And also my windows marketplace app installs seem to stall on the 3/4 complete and they never finish. Could you perhaps help me with that?
Lastly, I was wondering would you be able to tell me if I wanted to put a custom ROM on my HD2 what setting do I need to put on my HD2 for a successful flash?

FIND THE "ANDROID ON HD2" THREAD everything is explained.

thankyou...

Just wanted to thankyou all for helping me last week. and to the guy who took the piss, ask for help and I got none. so thankyou to u all, yes thankyou for the £20 charge I got from HTC for for sending my phone back to get it repaired under warranty, then not getting it repaired at all and still having to pay, because they say there was custom ROM on it even though i put a stock ROM on. so thankyou all again tossers

Stock rom over USB doesn't remove Hspl. That's the only way you could have a stock rom and them still be able to tell.
If you are convinced the spl was correct, then they played you just to see how you reacted.

no, thank you for searching and reading the plethora of threads on how to remove HSPL and flash a stock ROM on your phone. Don't blame us because you decided not to read, all you would have had to do is take a picture of your bootloader and ask if that looks like stock, someone would have set you straight.
If you go around blaming others for your mistakes then you can never really take responsibility for your own actions and your life will be a cold, grim, sordid affair.
ruminate on it.

samsamuel said:
Stock rom over USB doesn't remove Hspl. That's the only way you could have a stock rom and them still be able to tell.
If you are convinced the spl was correct, then they played you just to see how you reacted.
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Yes if you did not flash it via SD card then you needed to manually change HSPL back to SPL via the DFT HSPL Utility. Sorry you were miss informed my friend.
Edit: Are you 100% sure you flashed the correct stock ROM for your HD2? Also like Orangekid said you can only truly blame yourself as there is a crap load of threads covering this exact subject. Remember information is key, and Knowledge is power.

i removed HSPL 2.08 and put on SPL 2.08. i put on a stock WWE rom but they said that the phoen was branded to Virgin, but I know that the phone accepted any sim card
I used HSPL 3 to remove hspl and put spl on

T-Macgnolia said:
Yes if you did not flash it via SD card then you needed to manually change HSPL back to SPL via the DFT HSPL Utility. Sorry you were miss informed my friend.
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In that case you chose the wrong spl in Hspl.exe
Mines been back to service twice, both times flashed USB then Hspl.exe to remove Hspl, but you gotta match spl ver to the rom you load.

htchd2rules said:
i removed HSPL 2.08 and put on SPL 2.08. i put on a stock WWE rom but they said that the phoen was branded to Virgin, but I know that the phone accepted any sim card
I used HSPL 3 to remove hspl and put spl on
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Well, do you know which SPL comes with the Virgin branded phone? You can't just downgrade to ANY spl, it has to match with what the carrier was using at the time.

anyways i think I am going to get rid of the phone when i get it back and just get a phone with android. the phone battery life is just crap, thinking of gettin the samsung galaxy apollo if I can find somewhere to get in unlocked

the thing is i thought that the spl could be upgraded anyway with newer ROMs that came out

Spl 2.x are stock for tmous phones only. Also, the phone being network unlocked means nothing, mines unlocked but a wwe rom would be unauthorized because the phone is branded, so only o2 roms will be valid.
For others reading this when you get told "flash stock rom", the safest way is use only the rom the HTC website lets you grab using your serial.
If you plan to remove Hspl using Hspl.exe, match versions, rom 1.4 spl 1.42.0000 rom 1.6 1.7 spl 1.66.0000 rom 3.14 spl 3.03.0000
There are NO regular hd2s with spl 2.x

samsamuel said:
In that case you chose the wrong spl in Hspl.exe
Mines been back to service twice, both times flashed USB then Hspl.exe to remove Hspl, but you gotta match spl ver to the rom you load.
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Yes this is true this is why I thionk it is best for people to go back to stock by just flashing via SD card as not only does it revert everything, but not everyone knows what SPL version the need for their HD2. Also you have to remember if you have to revert back to SPL 3.10.0000 you have to use the SD card method has SPL 3.10.0000 is not included in HSPL 4.

htchd2rules said:
anyways i think I am going to get rid of the phone when i get it back and just get a phone with android. the phone battery life is just crap, thinking of gettin the samsung galaxy apollo if I can find somewhere to get in unlocked
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Live and let learn. I don't think 2days worth of usage on 1 charge is crap, but hey, i know it's tough reading hundreds of threads dating back 2yrs ago. Hope you'll enjoy your samsung apollo.

T-Macgnolia said:
Yes this is true this is why I thionk it is best for people to go back to stock by just flashing via SD card as not only does it revert everything, but not everyone knows what SPL version the need for their HD2. Also you have to remember if you have to revert back to SPL 3.10.0000 you have to use the SD card method has SPL 3.10.0000 is not included in HSPL 4.
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I still have the stock Telstra ROM just in case. SPL 1.42 haha i still remember.

I dont even get a days usage out of the phone battery lol. i only like android, win mo is a load of crap

htchd2rules said:
I dont even get a days usage out of the phone battery lol. i only like android, win mo is a load of crap
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I get the same out of both winmo and android. Then again, both my custom roms on winmo and android are very bareboned. They're stripped of apps that I dont use, even google apps.

samsamuel said:
In that case you chose the wrong spl in Hspl.exe
Mines been back to service twice, both times flashed USB then Hspl.exe to remove Hspl, but you gotta match spl ver to the rom you load.
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samsamuel said:
Spl 2.x are stock for tmous phones only. Also, the phone being network unlocked means nothing, mines unlocked but a wwe rom would be unauthorized because the phone is branded, so only o2 roms will be valid.
For others reading this when you get told "flash stock rom", the safest way is use only the rom the HTC website lets you grab using your serial.
If you plan to remove Hspl using Hspl.exe, match versions, rom 1.4 spl 1.42.0000 rom 1.6 1.7 spl 1.66.0000 rom 3.14 spl 3.03.0000
There are NO regular hd2s with spl 2.x
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I personally still think it is better to revert back to stock via SD card as far as for warranty proposes. Cause not only does it revert everything at one time. But most people have no clue as to what the right SPL version they need is. Also HSPL does not have SPL 3.10.0000 in it so flashing via SD card is the only way to get it nack as of right now.
Edit: Sorry for the double post but as so many people were posting in this thread I thought my first post did not get through asa I did not see it at first LOL Sorry again.

htchd2rules said:
anyways i think I am going to get rid of the phone when i get it back and just get a phone with android. the phone battery life is just crap, thinking of gettin the samsung galaxy apollo if I can find somewhere to get in unlocked
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That's fine but if you root the phone and flash a recovery, bootloader, splash screen, custom ROM, and/or kernel you better read up on how to return it to stock if you send it in to Samsung on warranty
also fyi I get a full day of action on my CM7 build running off SD and same with my WP7 running off NAND, your poor battery may have come from you radio, your kernel, your sd card (if you were running an SD build), your ROM, your cpu scaling settings, and/or your general usage, so I wouldn't blanket "poor battery usage" on the phone itself.

htchd2rules said:
Just wanted to thankyou all for helping me last week. and to the guy who took the piss, ask for help and I got none. so thankyou to u all, yes thankyou for the £20 charge I got from HTC for for sending my phone back to get it repaired under warranty, then not getting it repaired at all and still having to pay, because they say there was custom ROM on it even though i put a stock ROM on. so thankyou all again tossers
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I have absolutely no sympathy for you.
This is a perfect example of somebody who doesn't do enough research and expects all the correct answers to be given to him.
If you had used common sense and done a bit of research you could have EASILY reverted to proper stock for you warranty to pass, there is no excuse as there is plenty of info available to you here.
You couldn't be bothered so its your own fault nobody elses.
Cry to mom, she may get you a Nokia 3310, which would be a much more suitable phone.
htchd2rules said:
anyways i think I am going to get rid of the phone when i get it back and just get a phone with android. the phone battery life is just crap, thinking of gettin the samsung galaxy apollo if I can find somewhere to get in unlocked
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My battery life is excellent. 2-4mA on standby.
Its a common misconception that battery life is bad in general which it simply is not. I grant you that there is a few custom roms with bugs that cause high battery useage but they are in the minority.
Aslong as you do a clean install (task29 etc) and flash a good rom you are fine.
Again, you just haven't done enough research.
PS. If you think going to a native Android device will give you alot more battery life you are mistaken, even native Android uses as much battery as the HD2 does.

"Just wanted to thankyou all for helping me last week. and to the guy who took the piss, ask for help and I got none."
The second reply in your "help me" post was correct
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12540476&postcount=3
" just flash your Stock ROM via SD card and you will be good to go for warranty."
and he even included a link to the tutorial on how to do it. (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=681317)
But you decided otherwise.
Sad, but no ones fault but yours.

there are posts missing from that thread. also after the guy was taking the piss I didnt bother coming back to look at other posts as I thought thats all i was going to get (people taking the piss)