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USB Mini to (the other) USB Mini (?)

I have a a USB mini extension lead, so I'm trying to plug in a 3-to-1 adapter to it. So male USB mini, the a-symetrical type (flat one side) to a female USB mini, the symetrical type (wings on both sides). Obviously this doesn't fit!
So is there a USB Mini (female a-symetrical) to USB mini (male symetrical) adapter?
Or could someone at least tell me their proper names so I can google it?

What are you trying to achieve? If it is to increase the cable length between the 3in1 and the Kaiser, I think you would need an ExtUSB patch lead with all 11 pins wired to retain the functionality of the 3in1. I don't know if these leads even exist.
The Asymetrical female socket, like the one on the base of the Kaiser, is double sided on the internal plastic "island" and has 5 contacts on one side and 6 contacts on the other.
The power and data are on the top 5 connectors.
The audio in/out & talk/end are on the bottom 6 connectors.
This is known as ExtUSB and is peculiar to HTC devices.
The Symetrical plug/socket is standard mini USB and will only ever have power and data connections. The mini USB plug only connects to the top 5 connectors in an ExtUSB socket.

Ouch, my dreams of the perfect in-car system dashed! Thanks wizzard that's really explained it very well.
The objective is to have a nice looking car install with only one wire leading to the Kaiser, and the 3-in-one hidden. So ideally:
Power \/
Audio > 3-in-one >> USB extension >> Kaiser
Hands free /\
It was hard enough finding the mini USB extension, so as you say an ExtUSB extension lead may not even exist

I purchased this adaptor for less than £10 from ebay. It ticks all the boxes for me and is the most discrete adaptor I could find. The 3in1 adaptors like this one dont come with a mic so wont work as a hands free without additional adaptors.
My intention is to have the plug fixed to a Brodit mount. The cable is no thicker than headphone cable. This 90cm cable will route to behind the steering wheel on the cowling. The adaptor is flat and low profile with the answer/hang up button on the top. Easily pressed through the steering wheel spokes. The audio 3.5mm and mini USB leads plug in at right angles to each other but will easily route out of site, behind the dash to USB car charger and 3.5mm MP3 In socket on the head unit.
It all works as expected, and even at Motorway speeds callers can hear me clearly. Voice Command works fine, TomTom and Media Player sound great. My only problem is alternator whine when charging, which I think is just an earthing problem. When I get it all properly finished I will post some photos.
After work, wife, kids etc. have finished with me.

Thanks Wizzard. Not a bad solution, and the best so far without the existence of an ExtUSB extension lead.
My only problem with it is that (I assume) it forces the kaiser into handfree mode even when all I was to do is charge and listen to music from the 3.5mm connection.
Again, I am assuming here, but I thought the second adapter you cite would only initiate hands free when I plug in the hands free into its port. I could be wrong on that one though.
Perhaps my issue is a small price to pay for 8gbs of music in the car

foaf said:
I thought the second adapter you cite would only initiate hands free when I plug in the hands free into its port.
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I dont have the bulky 3in1 to test, sorry. For me when listening to music and TomTom the audio mutes when I take a call and then resumes seamlessly on hang up without needing to physically touch the Kaiser. I only need to touch the Kaiser to press the Voice Command key once to launch programs and initiate calls.

wizzzard said:
I purchased this adaptor for less than £10 from ebay. It ticks all the boxes for me and is the most discrete adaptor I could find. The 3in1 adaptors like this one dont come with a mic so wont work as a hands free without additional adaptors.
My intention is to have the plug fixed to a Brodit mount. The cable is no thicker than headphone cable. This 90cm cable will route to behind the steering wheel on the cowling. The adaptor is flat and low profile with the answer/hang up button on the top. Easily pressed through the steering wheel spokes. The audio 3.5mm and mini USB leads plug in at right angles to each other but will easily route out of site, behind the dash to USB car charger and 3.5mm MP3 In socket on the head unit.
It all works as expected, and even at Motorway speeds callers can hear me clearly. Voice Command works fine, TomTom and Media Player sound great. My only problem is alternator whine when charging, which I think is just an earthing problem. When I get it all properly finished I will post some photos.
After work, wife, kids etc. have finished with me.
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Hi!
Unfortunately the link to the item you have is broken...
I'm trying exactly what you wanna do, I bought this extension.
Is this the same of you?
It works, but I have annoying noise on audio when it's connected to the USB power jacket.
How to fix this?
Thanks a lot.

HTC 3-in-1 USB adapter

I just bought the HTC 3-in-1 adaptor from ShopBrando HK. I am using it in the car with the Brodit holder to have both charger and 3.5 mm for the car stereo aux input. I am modifying the holder (removing the charger pin for the adaptor 11 pin).
The problem is that the adaptor's wire is too short. I want to hide the adaptor somewhere in the car and a longer wire is needed.
I am thinkng about
a) Use and extension wire ( if there is any) Is there an extension cable (male to female -11 pin usb) ???
b) Cut and extend the lenght of the wire.
What is the wire used?? If I cut the wire to extent it, what kind of wire should i ask for?
Thank you

This is exactly the same problem I am facing. Can't find a ExtUSB Male to Female extension. But I would be up for trying to extend the cable if I could buy some. Hopefully someone will answer.

foaf said:
This is exactly the same problem I am facing. Can't find a ExtUSB Male to Female extension. But I would be up for trying to extend the cable if I could buy some. Hopefully someone will answer.
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I'm in the same boat, Its not easy finding one so if anyone can help then please do
Another post highlights the same problem but these guys found one, I have tried the google search mentioned but still no good.
Nogs

Yeah. I cant find the extender they are refering to on Google either.

im in indonesia, where i can buy it?
i cant found it in my country.
someone can help me?
tnx.

chris2004 said:
If I cut the wire to extent it, what kind of wire should i ask for?
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Just clip off 1/2 inch and take the sample with you to the store to show the sales people. At the same time, you should get the proper connecters to splice the wires together.

Does anyone really need to extend all 11 pins for both audio and power, or just power, or just audio?

Mini USB to RCA?

Hello all, I want to plug my Tilt into my factory Volkswagen radio as an auxilary audio input. I already have the volkswagen factory harness that accepts a white and red RCA pair. I know i could go to mini usb >>>> 3.5mm stereo>>rca OR does anyone make a mini usb strraight to RCA?
cheers

Praygo said:
Hello all, I want to plug my Tilt into my factory Volkswagen radio as an auxilary audio input. I already have the volkswagen factory harness that accepts a white and red RCA pair. I know i could go to mini usb >>>> 3.5mm stereo>>rca OR does anyone make a mini usb strraight to RCA?
cheers
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Olympus makes one for the 780 which comes with a mini-USB-to-RCA video/audio cable. If it is the right one, check a camera shop.

The port on our Kaisers are called mini usb right?

no and yes the sync and charge part is called mini usb
but htc's own connector which also carry audio is called extUsb
look at www.expansys.com for a converter even if all you can get is
an extusb to 3.5minijack then a minijack to rca is pretty easy to get

Or you could get a SonyEricsson MBR-100. It will connect via bluetooth to your Kaiser for audio out and comes with RCA leads as well as giving a 3.5mm output for use with headphones.

tkalli said:
Olympus makes one for the 780 which comes with a mini-USB-to-RCA video/audio cable. If it is the right one, check a camera shop.
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Analog audio output on a USB connector is NOT a defined part of the USB specification. As a result implementations of it are manufacturer specific.
95%+ chance the Olympus adapter will not work with HTC devices.
The best bet is likely a ExtUSB-3.5mm + 3.5mm-to-RCA adapter.
Edit: Or an A2DP (Bluetooth stereo) to RCA adapter.

Im just going to go this route: ExtUSB-3.5mm + 3.5mm-to-RCA adapter.
thanks for everyones input!

http://roccstar.com/catalog/Mini-USB-to-Male-RCA-Cable-p-910
my search led me to this. if it fits the razr, it should fit a kaiser!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280098254181
The more i got to thinking, the more i wanted one. so i went on eBay and found one. In a few days i should have a new cable, and i shall tell you how wonderful it is!

douglastheduke said:
http://roccstar.com/catalog/Mini-USB-to-Male-RCA-Cable-p-910
my search led me to this. if it fits the razr, it should fit a kaiser!
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Yep, it will fit. But it won't work.
Entropy512 said:
Analog audio output on a USB connector is NOT a defined part of the USB specification. As a result implementations of it are manufacturer specific.
The best bet is likely a ExtUSB-3.5mm + 3.5mm-to-RCA adapter.
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I had a RAZR adapter lying around and tried it with my Kaiser. No go. Had to buy an HTC-specific adapter.

TVOut in registry

Hi boys.
I found a ky in hclm/software/HTC called: TvOut = disable.
Xperia doesn't have TvOut...or yes??
Can be the same of Trinity and gps....
Anyone that have a right cable can try it?
Bye!

I don't think this is gonna work on the xperia, of course this just an assumption. I believe its HTC's proprioritary ext usb connector that allows for video out. Thats just a guess though...

Nobody have a tv out cable that can try that out?

Really want someone to try this

Kevin_seymer said:
Nobody have a tv out cable that can try that out?
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I do have the Raphael cable but it doesnt fit
Greets !

A four pole 3.5mm jack into the headphone socket should work. As discussed in another thread, the proprietary usb socket on the HTC only has 4 extra poles, and they carry the audio/tv out.
I had a TP for a short while, but never got to test the TV out feature (they didn't supply the cable), so I don't know if any additional software is needed for it to function... It might be that we have to install some software as well as edit the reg key, or it might just be the reg key, I don't know.
If I can find a 4 pole 3.5mm jack and some phono connectors I might get round to trying it, the 4 pole 3.5mm jack is a longshot though.

fotoingo said:
I do have the Raphael cable but it doesnt fit
Greets !
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Yea htc uses that ext usb that they created. Mini usb fits in their jack but their jack doesn't fit in mini usb.

Kevin_seymer said:
Nobody have a tv out cable that can try that out?
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On another thread about it, there was the notion that xperia can't have TV-out because they didn't wire it to a port.
TV-out is present in the Qualcomm chip, they just didn't bother to implement it. TV-out on the USB port is out of the question because there aren't enough pins for it. TV-out from the audio jack seems a no-go too, my hopes were for a 4 ring 3.5mm jack but that is already taken for the wired handsfree.

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On another thread about it, there was the notion that xperia can't have TV-out because they didn't wire it to a port.
TV-out is present in the Qualcomm chip, they just didn't bother to implement it. TV-out on the USB port is out of the question because there aren't enough pins for it. TV-out from the audio jack seems a no-go too, my hopes were for a 4 ring 3.5mm jack but that is already taken for the wired handsfree.
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See now that just aggravates me. Why wouldn't u just run the traces to something. Oh well....

XavierGr said:
On another thread about it, there was the notion that xperia can't have TV-out because they didn't wire it to a port.
TV-out is present in the Qualcomm chip, they just didn't bother to implement it. TV-out on the USB port is out of the question because there aren't enough pins for it. TV-out from the audio jack seems a no-go too, my hopes were for a 4 ring 3.5mm jack but that is already taken for the wired handsfree.
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But other devices use the audio/hands feree socket with no problem, they just appear to change the circuit when TV Out is running. The HTC uses the same pins for TV out as it does for audio, it's just a usb connector with 4 extra pins on the other side of the USB pins. Those 4 pins are the ones that carry the audio/hands free *and* the TV Out, just never at the same time.

SquidgyB said:
But other devices use the audio/hands feree socket with no problem, they just appear to change the circuit when TV Out is running. The HTC uses the same pins for TV out as it does for audio, it's just a usb connector with 4 extra pins on the other side of the USB pins. Those 4 pins are the ones that carry the audio/hands free *and* the TV Out, just never at the same time.
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That's an interesting suggestion. If that's the case then it could work for xperia too if SE bothered to connect the signal to the 4th ring.

As i wrote in another thread discussing this matter, i couldn't get the HTC Video Out application to run on my Xperia.
Hopefully someone here can get it to work. Maybe there's some changes has to be made before it work? (screen resolution maybe?)

XavierGr said:
That's an interesting suggestion. If that's the case then it could work for xperia too if SE bothered to connect the signal to the 4th ring.
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I'm almost positive it's not a case of "bothering" as much as HTC wanting the Touch Pro to have its USP (unique selling point) over the Xperia. Otherwise, the Touch Pro has nothing over the X1, which would cut into its sales.
Just a thought

The Nokia N95 has got tv-out through the 3,5mm plug. The extra ring can be used for headsets aswell, so although it is possible that xperia works the same way it'snt probable since SE says there is no tv-out.
Anyone with a n95 tv-out cable?

i have a n95 8gb tv out cable which i think is the same as n95 ones, anyone teaching me how to do it i can try out for u guys =)
some point i agree if x1 is continue to brought over with touch pro software features, x1 will out sell touch pro... althought im quiet happy about it but i think htc will not... proabably htc wont help se to oem wm devices anymore

Any development in this field yet?

why is tv out not included with the x1 then>

don't think so...

USB Mini A B extension cable?

Anyone find a source for USB extension cables for the Touch Pro? I want to run a cable in my car from my touch pro mount to the center counsle where I will have the audio dongle. which will branch off to a charger and line out to my Aux in. Otherwise I have to have the exposed audio adapter and then two cables running out of that instead of the one single extension cable I want to run to the center console. Really hoping I don't have to build my own.

I suspect this will be hard to find, considering it's not just a standard mini USB cable.
I like the idea behind it though. I was thinking about the same type of thing in my car and I'm waiting on getting a couple different docks so I can see if they will fit my needs once I rip them apart.

You need an extUSB extension cable. It should be around $10-$30. Depends on where you get it from. I'm thinking try eBay/expansys-usa/htc store

Kraize said:
You need an extUSB extension cable. It should be around $10-$30. Depends on where you get it from. I'm thinking try eBay/expansys-usa/htc store
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Been looking at all the normal sources, the problem is I need it to end in the same female plug that is in the Touch Pro (so I can plug the audio dongle into it). Having zero luck finding it.

I have to disappoint you: if you connect both the audio and the charger from your car, you'll get a loud noise because of lack of grounding in car

darfri said:
I have to disappoint you: if you connect both the audio and the charger from your car, you'll get a loud noise because of lack of grounding in car
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Easily fixable:Ground loop Isolator http://www.crutchfield.com/p_127SNI135/PAC-SNI-1-3-5-Noise-Filter.html?search=ground+loop&tp=2653

fishzine said:
Easily fixable:Ground loop Isolator http://www.crutchfield.com/p_127SNI135/PAC-SNI-1-3-5-Noise-Filter.html?search=ground+loop&tp=2653
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Does it work?

3in1 11 PIN ExtUSB Earphone Handsfree Adapter for HTC
Finally appeared on eBay what I was looking for a long time!!
I think that is the same that you are looking for!
http://cgi.ebay.com/3in1-11-PIN-Ext...AU_MobilePhoneAccessories&hash=item3cabfd9d0b
Now I will not have a lot of wires apparent in the dashboard of my car!
not yet tested, I just bought!