I have a a USB mini extension lead, so I'm trying to plug in a 3-to-1 adapter to it. So male USB mini, the a-symetrical type (flat one side) to a female USB mini, the symetrical type (wings on both sides). Obviously this doesn't fit!
So is there a USB Mini (female a-symetrical) to USB mini (male symetrical) adapter?
Or could someone at least tell me their proper names so I can google it?
What are you trying to achieve? If it is to increase the cable length between the 3in1 and the Kaiser, I think you would need an ExtUSB patch lead with all 11 pins wired to retain the functionality of the 3in1. I don't know if these leads even exist.
The Asymetrical female socket, like the one on the base of the Kaiser, is double sided on the internal plastic "island" and has 5 contacts on one side and 6 contacts on the other.
The power and data are on the top 5 connectors.
The audio in/out & talk/end are on the bottom 6 connectors.
This is known as ExtUSB and is peculiar to HTC devices.
The Symetrical plug/socket is standard mini USB and will only ever have power and data connections. The mini USB plug only connects to the top 5 connectors in an ExtUSB socket.
Ouch, my dreams of the perfect in-car system dashed! Thanks wizzard that's really explained it very well.
The objective is to have a nice looking car install with only one wire leading to the Kaiser, and the 3-in-one hidden. So ideally:
Power \/
Audio > 3-in-one >> USB extension >> Kaiser
Hands free /\
It was hard enough finding the mini USB extension, so as you say an ExtUSB extension lead may not even exist
I purchased this adaptor for less than £10 from ebay. It ticks all the boxes for me and is the most discrete adaptor I could find. The 3in1 adaptors like this one dont come with a mic so wont work as a hands free without additional adaptors.
My intention is to have the plug fixed to a Brodit mount. The cable is no thicker than headphone cable. This 90cm cable will route to behind the steering wheel on the cowling. The adaptor is flat and low profile with the answer/hang up button on the top. Easily pressed through the steering wheel spokes. The audio 3.5mm and mini USB leads plug in at right angles to each other but will easily route out of site, behind the dash to USB car charger and 3.5mm MP3 In socket on the head unit.
It all works as expected, and even at Motorway speeds callers can hear me clearly. Voice Command works fine, TomTom and Media Player sound great. My only problem is alternator whine when charging, which I think is just an earthing problem. When I get it all properly finished I will post some photos.
After work, wife, kids etc. have finished with me.
Thanks Wizzard. Not a bad solution, and the best so far without the existence of an ExtUSB extension lead.
My only problem with it is that (I assume) it forces the kaiser into handfree mode even when all I was to do is charge and listen to music from the 3.5mm connection.
Again, I am assuming here, but I thought the second adapter you cite would only initiate hands free when I plug in the hands free into its port. I could be wrong on that one though.
Perhaps my issue is a small price to pay for 8gbs of music in the car
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I thought the second adapter you cite would only initiate hands free when I plug in the hands free into its port.
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I dont have the bulky 3in1 to test, sorry. For me when listening to music and TomTom the audio mutes when I take a call and then resumes seamlessly on hang up without needing to physically touch the Kaiser. I only need to touch the Kaiser to press the Voice Command key once to launch programs and initiate calls.
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I purchased this adaptor for less than £10 from ebay. It ticks all the boxes for me and is the most discrete adaptor I could find. The 3in1 adaptors like this one dont come with a mic so wont work as a hands free without additional adaptors.
My intention is to have the plug fixed to a Brodit mount. The cable is no thicker than headphone cable. This 90cm cable will route to behind the steering wheel on the cowling. The adaptor is flat and low profile with the answer/hang up button on the top. Easily pressed through the steering wheel spokes. The audio 3.5mm and mini USB leads plug in at right angles to each other but will easily route out of site, behind the dash to USB car charger and 3.5mm MP3 In socket on the head unit.
It all works as expected, and even at Motorway speeds callers can hear me clearly. Voice Command works fine, TomTom and Media Player sound great. My only problem is alternator whine when charging, which I think is just an earthing problem. When I get it all properly finished I will post some photos.
After work, wife, kids etc. have finished with me.
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Hi!
Unfortunately the link to the item you have is broken...
I'm trying exactly what you wanna do, I bought this extension.
Is this the same of you?
It works, but I have annoying noise on audio when it's connected to the USB power jacket.
How to fix this?
Thanks a lot.
Related
Having previously owned a IIs and having a standard usb cradle in my car run from a usb connectored "cigarette lighter adapter", I'm used to using my devices as a portable "car stereo". I even wired it up to replace my old crap car stereo, using a small "cheap boy-racer style" £30 stereo power amp under the dash. This has been great for the last year. I get in the car, dock the xda IIs into the cradle, plug in the headphone socket which is wired into the amp and hey presto, music - and tom tom prompts through the car speakers.
Recently I've been eyeing up the xda exec(JasJar/Universal) and after getting a second hand colleague to buy my IIis, decided to get the new device. Obviously the shorter battery life is a bit of a shock compared to my old one, but I was pleasantly suprised that
1) The audio output seems a better quality
2) The new device no longer needed a custom USB cradle plinth or gooseneck holder, ... I could place the "open clam" in the recess in my instrument panel, to the right of my speedo. Basically sitting just behind the steering wheel, which also solves the night-time reflection issues of a bright display.
Just one problem, I discovered that the USB sync cable supplied with the new device doesnt seem to enable charging to the exec when I plugged it into the 12Volt to USB adapter that worked with the XDA IIs that I wired into my dashboard.
So I decided to buy a new car power adapter for the new Exec, egged on by installing the great "mort player" which has an ideal "large button" interface on a black background which is ideal for use in the car.... and it doesnt forget the playlist like media player 10 seems to do each time you run it...
However, When the car power adapter arrived today, (from expansys)
http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=125511
To my dismay it is very noisy! the audio output to my amp sounds great with just the headphone output to my mini under dash amplifier, but only on battery power. But when the adapter is supplying power, the audio output becomes "crackly" Any electonics boffins have any suggestions to remove the "noise" with capacitors, if so what type and where should I put them, on the audio, or inline with the cigarette power adapter dc input somewhere, or should I just send it back and try and source a better quality adapter?
Expansys also do 2 other models -
http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=125969
http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=125970
Does anyone know if these are as noisy as the other one? Does anyone else have a similar setup?
Thanks in advance
Derek
you have a ground loop. in america, we use negative as the ground, so be carefull with what I'm telling you (posative is ground in some countries).
What you need to do is run the amp and cigarette lighter off the same ground(s) and possibly the same feeds (supply voltage). Make sure you fuse the lines appropriately, or you might fry something.
I would suggest installing a secondary cigarett lighter outlet somewhere convenient (so you don't cross any other circuts in your car, and burn stuff out), and run it off the same points that your amplifier gets it's power. Fuse the new outlet with the appropriate fuse (should be 5 or 10 amps), and give your new setup a whirl. It's a cheap alternative for you to try (should be about $10 or 8 euro?)
Good luck, and remember, NOT MY FAULT WHAT YOU DO> TRY THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!!!!
I agree with him ^
JAmes
Strangely - today the noise is gone... hmm... very strange...
perhaps it was a solar flare, or another explosion at hemel
or more likely - perhaps there was a loose connection somewhere!
Thanks for all the advice guys, I will certainly make sure I avoid any ground loops and ground the audio on the same physical connection as the car earth. I'll check this at the weekend when I have some daylight to work in!. I'll do this when wiring the new adapter in properly - I can't bear it hanging out of the lighter socket with the near the indicator stalk!
I can say the Exec is great device though... Its a far better solution for car audio - and no leaving an expensive hifi in the car to be stolen.
Hopefully someone else is inspired by this post to also use the device in this way. If you want plenty of storage for a full install of the tomtom uk map and loads of music, you'll be interested to hear that you can actually get a 2 gig card now from ebuyer for about £60!
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/prod...vd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=103013
Cheers
Derek
This is very valuable info
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you have a ground loop. in america, we use negative as the ground, so be carefull with what I'm telling you (posative is ground in some countries).
What you need to do is run the amp and cigarette lighter off the same ground(s) and possibly the same feeds (supply voltage). Make sure you fuse the lines appropriately, or you might fry something.
I would suggest installing a secondary cigarett lighter outlet somewhere convenient (so you don't cross any other circuts in your car, and burn stuff out), and run it off the same points that your amplifier gets it's power. Fuse the new outlet with the appropriate fuse (should be 5 or 10 amps), and give your new setup a whirl. It's a cheap alternative for you to try (should be about $10 or 8 euro?)
Good luck, and remember, NOT MY FAULT WHAT YOU DO> TRY THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!!!!
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Indeed! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_loop_(electricity)
I drive a prius with an AUX adapter (accepts a minjack) does anyone know of a cable that is a mini USB to mini jack?
Thanks!
you need a male USB to female 3.5mm adapter. Often, they come as male USB to both female 3.5mm and female USB. Many, many sites have them. Search for "USB audio splitter" or somthing like that.
Once you have one of those, you need a standard male 3.5mm to male 3.5mm headphone cable.
I have never seen a male USB to male 3.5mm cable.
Also, indicating which country you are in when asking where to buy something often helps, this is an international forum
Be aware that not all mini USB accessories work with the Kaiser. Some have the connector pins on the top, some on the bottom. You think that would be universal (thats what the "U" in USB stand for, you know!), but its not. And if you buy an accesory w. the wrong pin layout, it won't work.
I have read this is the case with some headsets, so the adapters may be the same case. Try to buy one that specifically says that it works with the Kaiser (or at least other HTC phones).
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you need a male USB to female 3.5mm adapter. Often, they come as male USB to both female 3.5mm and female USB. Many, many sites have them. Search for "USB audio splitter" or somthing like that.
Once you have one of those, you need a standard male 3.5mm to male 3.5mm headphone cable.
I have never seen a male USB to male 3.5mm cable.
Also, indicating which country you are in when asking where to buy something often helps, this is an international forum
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Sorry...I'm in the US.
Hey Griffin911, from one Prius driver to another.
Try http://www.seidioonline.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=776
Then you will just need a male to male 3.5 mm adapter which you should be able to find at any Radio Shack. I am using this Seidio adapter with a set of Shure earbuds with my Kaiser and it works fine.
I haven't tried it on the Pruis's aux port yet, I travel through the week and haven't had as much time to play with it as I'd like. I'll do it when I get home Friday and post to this thread to let you know how it works.
I have paired the phone with the car via Bluetooth and transferred contacts fine (although transferring contacts is one at a time) and calls work fine as well.
I tried the Seidio adapter with the M to M 3.5 mm to the Aux jack on the Prius and it worked fine. I also ran the Odyssey nav software while playing MP3's through TCPMP and that worked fine. Only problem was the volume on the nav software was too loud when TCPMP was at the right volume, the volume controls don't work independently.
Didn't especially care for the Odyssey software (running the 14 day trial right now) the one route I mapped gave me a really weird route. I'll try the rest of the weekend and see how it works, but it's also not extremely intuituve from what I've seen so far.
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Be aware that not all mini USB accessories work with the Kaiser. Some have the connector pins on the top, some on the bottom. You think that would be universal (thats what the "U" in USB stand for, you know!), but its not. And if you buy an accesory w. the wrong pin layout, it won't work.
I have read this is the case with some headsets, so the adapters may be the same case. Try to buy one that specifically says that it works with the Kaiser (or at least other HTC phones).
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It's not universal because ExtUSB is a proprietary extension to the USB standard.
Anything involving analog audio is NOT covered by the USB standard.
I recently picked up a set of earbuds and a 3.5mm adapter for my Tilt and have not been able to get the sound to play through the headphones... Is this a radio version issue? I'm a bit new to all this. I flashed my phone to the most recent ROM from HTC, installed the keyboard fix and that's about it. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks!
JM
try flashing another radio...this is usually the culprit with no sounds...
I had this problem. When I plugged in the headphones, sound still came out of the phone speaker. It turned out one of the pins in the usb port was bent. If you get sound from the speaker with them plugged in, that could be your problem.
from my understandings...
There are 2 types of mini usb 3.5 mm headphone jacks. one that pulls form the top row on the mini usb port and one that pulls from the bottom row on the mini usb port. One works with the tilt, the other will not. More than likely you got the one that will not work with the tilt.
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from my understandings...
There are 2 types of mini usb 3.5 mm headphone jacks. one that pulls form the top row on the mini usb port and one that pulls from the bottom row on the mini usb port. One works with the tilt, the other will not. More than likely you got the one that will not work with the tilt.
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The sound comes through the external speaker just fine, I also tried ALL the radios and nothing helped. There are no bent contacts so I guess it is probably that I got the adapter that will not work with the tilt. Does anyone know of a specific manufacturer that makes one that does work with the tilt? I picked this one up off ebay for about .50 cents, no idea who makes it.
I had one adapter with gold plated on the 3.5mm headphone side, the connection to USB was bad. I had to hold it down for it to work properly. I have since bought another one (with L shape USB connector), it works perfectly. Either you need to juggle it to see if it's a connector issue or you simply got the wrong type of adapter.
What kind of adapter is it?
I bought a "OEM" adapter from a website selling Tilt accessories, and it works fine. However, when I picked up a Motorola headphone kit with a USB adapter, it did not work, and the sound would only come out of the speaker.
The Moto compatible adapters do not work. HTC specific adapters are fine. They are also available in 2.5mm if you want to use a cell headset with it instead of bluetooth.
The Kaiser requires an 11 pin usb adapter......I believe the Razr uses a 7 pin? if im correct. That is why you dont have sound....
A cheaper way, ie: FREE! is to make one yourself out of the cheap pair that came with the kaiser!
see this: http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs/index.php/2006/08/18/orange_spv_m3100_headphone_adapter_hack
its for the TyTN 1, but it still works for the Kaiser, its also very fun and great to show off to people
I use a mini-USB adaptor (3.5 mm) from Boxwave and it works great with my Shure SE 110 earphones! The adaptor was around $12.00.
Internal Microphone
When I plug my heaphones in, it seems that the internal microphone (on the phone) is disabled.
Is it possible to hear the sound through the headphones and talk through the phone?
I hate having to unplug the headphones every time someone calls me.
I can't seem to locate the thread I saw a while back regarding someone wanting an extension cable for the T.V. out USB dongle for a Fuze.
I also wanted to port into my car's radio (touchscreen w/audio & video in/out jacks) and also supply power without having a tangle of wires. The t.v. dongle has a power-in jack on the side but that would result in a mess and I, apparently not alone, was looking for an 11 pin miniUSB extension cable. Seems nobody can find such an animal. However, during a trip to WalMart I found a car charger adaptor for Motorola phones with a 90 degree plug and a coiled cord. Not quite as neat as an extension would have been but with the jack arranged to point down the side of the dongle, the coiled portion can wrap around the dongle's cable. $15 and the search was over.
Heelo beav12
I was probably the one looking for the cable. I have my Fuze in a cradle in my car and I have the HTC A/V cable plugged into the bottom of the cradle so when I slide my fuze into it, I get connection to my Avic-D3 and I can see whatever the fuze sees on the Avic screen. However, in order to keep the phone charged, I have to plug in another cable into the jack on the little junction box and now I have 2 cables and an ugly box hanging below my phone.
I have searched high and low for an 11 pin mini USB extension cable to no avail and the 2 different styles of A/V cables for the phone either have the junction box 2-3 inches from the end where it plugs into the phone (which is what I have now) or if the junction is at the other end of the cable by the RCA plugs, it lacks the charging port! HOW F$#@$%ing dumb are these engineers??? All I want to do is hide the mess behind the dash and have just ONE SINGLE CABLE running up to the phone cradle.
If anyone has any ideas before I start cutting and soldering, please let me know!
Thanks for such a GREAT site here and hopefully someone will come up with a solution besides cut and burn!
Good day to all!
ITAdmin
DIY adapter to use your PC headset in your android :cyclops:
You will need
- 2 female TRS
- 1 male TRRS
- Wires! I strongly recommend USB wires
Ok just weld everything... yes is simple. But how :silly:? Take a look in the pics.
"The original TRRS configuration was created by Nokia and has a pinout", from TIP to SLEEVE, "of Left Audio, Right Audio, Mic, Ground".
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DIY adapter to pass audio from PC or other hardware to your android with male-to-male audio cable
You will need
- 2 female TRS
- 1 male TRRS
- Wires! I strongly recommend USB wires
- Male-to-male audio cable
- Soundabout
Ok just weld everything, everything except the MM and Soundabout ... yes is simple. But how :silly:? Just like the above but also look here first:
"Apple came along and in typical elitist fashion changed their pinout to", from TIP to SLEEVE, "Left Audio, Right Audio, Ground, Mic".
Then this adapter is exactly like the first above, but you will need change the Mic Right to Ground.
To force android to receive the input audio when you plug the male-to-male cable, you may use Soundabout.
Through this configuration you can send audio from any TRS output to your android, then the audio will be captured like a microphone.
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The difference between both is only the MIC and GRND position in the TRRS male. They are switched. By mistake I switched and now I have 2 useful adapters.
BASED ON:
http://forums.androidcentral.com/sa...ultion-why-most-headsets-wont-work-print.html
http://www.splitbrain.org/blog/2010-12/16-using_your_mobile_headset_on_a_pc
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Hello knights.
My country are in such a chaos because of the manifest and I'm here mess around with technology... but I'm doing my part too xP.
Anyway, in the last days I was searching and testing a way to send the sound played in my computer, or other device, to my little android (codename Smultron).
With a 3.5mm cable (TRS or the one with 3 contacts) male to male, I plugged into the audio output of my Dell then plugged to my Mini, I started the app to record and... nothing.
Few days later, I used the app Soundabout and... nothing.
More few days later, I did the same thing BUT I don't put the cable until the end, I pulled out a bit, so the 3 contact of the cable stay full visible and... works! I was able do record the audio input of my laptop.
Also, with Soundabout, I was able to stream the audio from my computer to android calls!! For example, if you call me and I answer, if with the cable plugged I play some music on my PC the caller will clear hear what is playing in my computer.
In one more test, I used the MM cable and a splitter. With the Splitter and the cable I was able to stream audio from PC to android mic AND hear the android with a regular earphone, this test was made with a call in course, of course.
But this is only possible because in some way the PC are sending the signal with some extra power. If you try the test with a regular pc headset, without the computer this won't work.
"So why are you here if you did this you noob?" - Well I not figured out why or how the conectors are working when the stream are succesfully done. So I'm here to extend a bit this little research and ask for some help with who master this things. Also I wanna share with you all.
The keys of this are the jack conectors circuit and contacts combinations, and android audio routing using a app like Soundabout.
The main point, in other words, is how to made a DIY cable to stream audio from pc to android mic and with a splitter enable the audio output.
The reason that I'm searching for this is because initially I was looking for a way to did a DIY adapter for PC headphones with two jacks to android input, for single jack.
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One more little thing, for the people that want to record a call without android modifications, you can plug the same male to male cable to PC MIC and start the sound record app of the Windows, for example.
widek said:
:laugh::laugh:very interested thanks so much
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:cyclops: let's rock dude!
I need to discover what points must be in contact with the jack input....
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Look for 4-pin jack plug in google.
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Look for 4-pin jack plug in google.
Sent from my GT-S6500 using xda app-developers app
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I was wondering if one of the rings touch the microphone pin inside the jack input and the tip won't touch anything. If the contact of an output was plugged to contact the mic input we got audio from external source to phone...
This is the average TRRS circuit in our mobiles? TRRS circuit
It sounds like you made contact with the input pin, so you might also be contacting an output pin. I'd get a headset adapter cable, so you have an input and output 3.5mm jack.
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It sounds like you made contact with the input pin, so you might also be contacting an output pin. I'd get a headset adapter cable, so you have an input and output 3.5mm jack.
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Hummm.
I found some stuff
see the second jack
I finally found something like this
and this
Electro I agree, but I don't found the adapter easily here, so this is one of the reasons of why I want do a DIY.
But you said, I will ask: someone can do the test to send audio from pc to phone through the adapter and with a M to M jack cable?
I will try to found a nice way to do it as an DIY.
I wanna know how this exactly works, If I was searching for ready solution I would be an Apple's zombie xP.
I think I found what I need, let me do something here.... thank you guys. If anyone have more to say please feel welcome.
Yeah I nailed it!
I made a DIY adapter for PC headphones to android (at least the Xperia Mini) and a DIY adapter to send audio to android trough a male-to-male cable. Soon I will post pictures.