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X1 vs Touch HD

I'm nearly at the end of my contract for my T-mobile vario II. It looks like my next phone will either be the X1 or the touch HD. I read a lot of ebooks and web pages so the bigger screen is going to be great.
I like the fact that the X1 has a slide out keyboard and dpad. These should help when writing emails or playing games. However the simpler package of the Touch HD does look very nice.
One thing that sucked about the vario II was the sluggish interface - from the few videos I have watched the HD seems a bit slicker than the X1 - am I right?
If possible I would like to install android on my next device - is this more likely to be possible on the HD?
So what are your views - which is better?

Mercedes or BMW.
Two similar but quite different animals.
Need the keyboard... X1
Need no keyboard .. T' HD
It's simply a choice only. Some point or other.. a HardSPL and cooking of roms will be well underway.. along with a vast choice of rom shape and size, along with inbuilts. The only thing that will not change is the Hardware shape. (guts are the same)
The Touch HD is not even out properly, and the HD manilla is already available and installable on the X1. the Sony panels will no doubt hit the Touch HD.
I have bought 2 X1's..along with an Omnia... Will get a HD also.. but this is because i'm a picky sod.. and have money to pee away.
Please don't tell my wife!.

Well the Touch HD is technically using HTC's "2nd" version of TouchFlo3D, after Diamond/TPro, so understandably they've put some effort into getting it to run more smoothly. SE's panels will debut on the X1 so it's probably buggy just like TouchFlo3D was when the Diamond first came out.
That said, XDA got even the stock Diamond interface running really well, so there's no reason they can't do it with the X1's panels. It's not a question of if but when.
I think if you're going to reading most of the time, the HD will be the better choice (bigger screen, and you dont "need" a hardware keyboard to read). But I must say if you do a fair amount of messaging, a real keyboard is second to none -- there's just no going back after you've used one (imo).
As for Android, only time will tell. My guess is yes for both, but it might not be fully functional for some time. There are just too many unknowns right now for there to be an easy answer.

harvsingh said:
Mercedes or BMW.
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For me the answer to that one was BMW!
harvsingh said:
I have bought 2 X1's..along with an Omnia... Will get a HD also.. but this is because i'm a picky sod.. and have money to pee away.
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If you are so flush with cash feel free to mail me one of the X1's!
fhseih - I do read a lot and the physical size of the screen on the touch hd would be very nice for that. However the actual resolution of the X1 is the same so it should be almost as good in that respect. As you say, once you get used to the keyboard you never go back. I have got used to having a keyboard on my vario II. I love the way that you can type without wasting screen space on a virtual keyboard.
Maybe what I really want is a Touch HD Pro - any rumors that we will see one of these soon?

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For me the answer to that one was BMW!
If you are so flush with cash feel free to mail me one of the X1's!
fhseih - I do read a lot and the physical size of the screen on the touch hd would be very nice for that. However the actual resolution of the X1 is the same so it should be almost as good in that respect. As you say, once you get used to the keyboard you never go back. I have got used to having a keyboard on my vario II. I love the way that you can type without wasting screen space on a virtual keyboard.
Maybe what I really want is a Touch HD Pro - any rumors that we will see one of these soon?
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Even though i have capital... and enough to buy a handset i want when i want it on the network i choose to be with.. i am certainly no charity.. so i'm sorry.. if the second x1 goes anywhere its back to supplier... and get a HD instead.
I think getting a Touch HD pro is pointless.. HD is such because its not bulky. Its slim and basically a screen with a send and end key.
Adding a keyboard to it = not a Touch HD Pro but a X1.
Lack of G-sensor on X1 is the thing i think when it comes to using different roms and software. Hardware apart from this and keyb is the same. (except screen size...res is the same)
I think... i will keep one x1 and get a HD...
that way.. i'm covered.
Really wish the DX900 Glofiish had been released... 2 sim cards... one phone with VGA/GPS/WIFI/Bluetooth/3G/HSDPA .. but as yet.. its just due... due .. and due....
who could want more?

Help me decide btw HD or Diamond2

Hi fellow Xda members.
I'm considering of changing my N95 8GB out with a new HTC device. I just can't decide between the HD or the Diamond2.
As I see it the HD has a bigger screen and therefore more chunky and less handy. And the price tag of the Diamond2 is much lower. Is it true that other than that they are identical?
Does the screen size really matter that much, I will use it mostly for email and internet surfing.
What would you chose? Hope someone can make my decision making easier.
Thanks a lot

I haven't had the new Diamond in my hand, but I've been using my HD for three months now. The size is absolutely perfect, it's just right. It's as big as it can get without being too uncomfortable to wear in the pocket or use with a single hand.
I'd say go for the HD, but I'm not familiar with Diamond 2's price tag, if that's your deciding factor. It really boils down to whether you think that the larger screen and form factor (TD2 is ugly) are worth it.

The price tag isn't really a deciding factor. I really like the big screen of the HD
Is there any news on the video recording capabilities of the new TD2 ?
Or is it the same as the HD?

Screen size
Battery life
Zoom bar on Diamond2
3.5mm jack on TouchHD
Housing of TouchHD vs Housing of Diamond2
Price tag
Btw, diamond2 should be more expensive or just as expensive as the touch hd since it's a new device even thought it's a lower end device.

Hey Mate
one of my work mates has the Diamond and after he seen my HD he regrets the purchase once ur familiar with the HD there is no other you want, as long as you use a video convertor easily found on this site it works great my VIDS are so clear and the sounds is awesome my whole company is jealous

i think the screen size of the hd is an important feature in a keyboard-less device like this
less screen size equals smaller virtual keys
and bigger pain when writing

HD every time. Big screen is fantastic but not too big. Any bigger (ref Toshiba) and it would be cumbersome.
For internet surfing - that was one of your needs - the HD is great. Here is where the big screen and high resolution really shows.

ozmoran said:
Hey Mate
one of my work mates has the Diamond and after he seen my HD he regrets the purchase once ur familiar with the HD there is no other you want, as long as you use a video convertor easily found on this site it works great my VIDS are so clear and the sounds is awesome my whole company is jealous
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What does the video converter do? Do you use it after you record something with the HD to make the quality better?
Thanks a lot for the reply everybody, so I guess the HD isn't chunky and too big after all :-D
Does anyone know the specs for the video recording of the new TD2?

Check out PDADB.
You'll see that the new Diamond II has the same camera as the Touch HD.
By the way, a videoconverter converts a video
It converts a video to a size that's optimized for the screen on your phone.
Means you can scale your vids too 480x800 and having the quality optimized so it'll look fabulous on your phone.

alixoft said:
Check out PDADB.
You'll see that the new Diamond II has the same camera as the Touch HD.
By the way, a videoconverter converts a video
It converts a video to a size that's optimized for the screen on your phone.
Means you can scale your vids too 480x800 and having the quality optimized so it'll look fabulous on your phone.
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Okay thanks..
haha I know what it means
But maybe it could do some magic so that the recording got better hahaha
Because there is such a program for Samsung Omnia...

for me it was the screen size... had been using BlueAngel for past 4 yrs.... it is still working fine.... only hiccup was that it did not support faster data connection (only GPRS... no Edge or 3G). only thing that I miss in HD right now is the h/w keyboard.... but i'm getting used to the onscreen qwerty of HD.

Never used the TD2 but I used to have the original TD and that was simply awfull!
It kept hanging, had an earth problem and was really crap for signal, check the specs of the processor/RAM out before you make a decision!
I have the HD now and can say it's absolutely fantastic, it is the perfect size and coming from the TD it feels more comfortable aswell!

elmalote said:
Okay thanks..
haha I know what it means
But maybe it could do some magic so that the recording got better hahaha
Because there is such a program for Samsung Omnia...
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Not that I know off.
IF there's a similiar program for the Touch HD, I'd be happy to use it too.
As far as camerawise, my personal opinion is to rather have a pixon, n96 or a x1.
In my opinion phones for the "more standard users" but with better camera's.

I'm thinking of getting the Diamond2. I lost my HD on holiday a couple of weeks ago and if the insurance comes back with money instead of a new HD I'd like a change. There isn't a massive difference in screen size, but the diamond2 is slated for an official upgrade to WM6.5 when it arrives later this year. I won't miss the 3.5mm socket since I never really used it on the HD. Battery life might be the only killer for me as its not as well specced as the HD in that department.

i should go for the pro 2 because i hate the onscreen keybord

Touch HD or Wait for Pro 2?

Hi all,
contract is up on my current phone in 20 days, have to option of either:
getting a Touch HD NOW on a 12 months contract.
or waiting for a few months to get the Pro2
What would be your advice?
p.s. the last winmo device i had was the i-Mate kJam

I guess this isn't an easy decision .
First thing to do is to look through the specifications (here and here).
I think the biggest difference is the hardware keyboard, as the Touch HD hasn't got one.
All other things are (more or less) equal, but the Touch HD has a bigger screen (although 0.2 inch aren't much at all).
Another important thing to consider is the support of custom roms. Whereas the Blackstone is fully supported (HSPL, USPL, Kitchen, many roms), there is nothing for the Rhodium so far, and it will probably take some weeks after the device is released.
So, if you aren't happy with the stock rom, you can't change anything about it in the beginning .
Since we are all Blackstone owners in this forum here, nobody would actually tell that it is a bad device, and you should take the Rhodium, as the Blackstone is just great, but probably the Rhodium will be also.
But: You should make sure that you will be happy with HTC itself. There are a few people, who regret their purchase of a HTC device, as they aren't happy with Windows Mobile, with the HTC support policy, and some things, like the video playback, which isn't really good so far.
I think the best thing to do, is to read through the forum, and to try the Blackstone in a shop next to you.

hi,
cheers for your comprehensive reply.
With regard to being happy about HTC in itself i see no problem there, i had a succession of smartphones for a few years (around the C500 era) and really enjoyed fiddling with them and customising them to how i liked.
The main decision for me was whether i would be jealous of the Pro2 when it comes out becuase it is so much better, but looking at the specs i dont see vast differences.
The exclusion of a hardware keyboard doesn't really bother me too much, although i can't say for certain as i haven't had the chance to use the Blackstone yet (2 phone shops near me have it on display, both are non-working models). I'd be progressing from an N95 and the main draw is the screen real estate, as i use the internet a lot.
The one thing that did worry me slightly is the touch screen element (resistive v capacitive) however i've barely touched an iphone since they've been around (not an apple fan) and my last touch screen experience was a k-jam so it much be an improvement on that?
Cheers
Mundo

The lack of a hardware keyboard doesn't bother me at all, as SPB keyboard makes input really easy. This makes the Blackstone really handy, it has the right dimensions, whereas the Touch Pro (and probably the Touch Pro 2), will be a little too thick, but thats just my impression.
Using Opera to browse the internet makes really fun and works just great with the touch screen. Maybe you'll find some videos on youtube or so.
The disadvantages of this kind of touchscreen is that there is no multitouch, so you can just touch the display at one point at each time, but for me its just ok.
Customizing the device with the tools flying around here, is really great, so if you are keen on tinkering with your device, its just right for you .

I would go for the black stone ..... Hands down

It's really gotta come down to how you intend to use the device.
I'm not a big emailer from my phone (I've got a work blackberry), but the focus of the Touch HD has to be the huge screen. It is bigger and better than the iphone, but it comes at the expense of the dpad and buttons.
If you can live without the keyboard, IMHO the Touch HD is the best device around right now.
However, aren't you tempted by the Pre? You could convert your contract to a PAYG and wait until you see what's coming. New iphones and possibly the pre are a few weeks away, apparently.
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HTC Touch Pro 2, or HTC Touch HD?

Hey guys new member of the forum i will soon be getting a new phone and it will be either the Touch Pro 2 or the Touch HD. I'm not sure which one to get as i can live without a hardware keyboard which makes the device slimmer and easier to hold, but the question is what is the difference between the 2 phones? are they running the exact same software with the same features etc etc? if they operate exactly the same the HD looks nicer in my opinion, this will be my first time owning a windows mobile, will both phones get the same updates/custom roms. Other peoples opinions on these phones would be a great help, thanks in advance.
Sorry if this is not the correct section to be posting this.

If it was me, I'd maybe hold out for the HTC Leo, the HD's successor
Another thread which is kinda similar regarding people asking what to get after the HD maybe worth a read

thanks for your reply i will have a read of that, the issue is my contract runs out soon and the Leo doesn't yet have a release date and will be getting a new phone the day my contract runs out as i can't get through the day without my phone lol.

Isn't much difference apart from the qwerty keyboard, screen size, D-pad and camera. Generally everything else is similar. Check both the specs and read the wiki for both devices, have a look at the rom forums on both to see whats available.
It would most likely come down what you want, or what your looking for in a device. Basically personal opinion.

TP2 every day in the week.

thanks for the feedback guys. Well i prefer a slightly bigger screen and a slimmer looking phone and find the TP2 to be a little bulky, but if the software is the same this helps a lot as i like the look of the software from the TP2 which will be the same on the HD.
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TP2 every day in the week.
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could you maybe give some reasons on your view on why this would be the best choice? Thanks

The HD .. Huge screen .. and um... rather slim and cute looking .. I have a black silicone suround for it and mirror suraface.... and a huge screen with a huge resoultion .. did I mention that?

dgattenb said:
The HD .. Huge screen .. and um... rather slim and cute looking .. I have a black silicone suround for it and mirror suraface.... and a huge screen with a huge resoultion .. did I mention that?
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Huge screen, but huge screen means less pixels = less quality. TP2 got a huge advantage when it comes down to screen resolution vs. HD. And the TP2 got a keyboard and 4 hardware buttons you can actually feel.

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Huge screen, but huge screen means less pixels = less quality. TP2 got a huge advantage when it comes down to screen resolution vs. HD.
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You're kidding, right? TP2 and HD both have WVGA - you're not seriously telling me that the pixel density on the HD is not high enough? I doubt you could even tell the difference between the two concerning DPI!
And I'd rather have a larger screen than a smaller one - even if the higher DPI would make a difference... What's the use of having a higher DPI on a smaller screen?

Hd is better in music as it has 3.5 mm audio jack which means better sound quality and also hd is higher in price (the only issue is that hd will not get wm6.5 officially from htc ) but i think it will but htc does not announce that to sell alot of the recent devices

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Hd is better in music as it has 3.5 mm audio jack which means better sound quality and also hd is higher in price (the only issue is that hd will not get wm6.5 officially from htc ) but i think it will but htc does not announce that to sell alot of the recent devices
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I have a Touch HD, although it is in for repairs at the moment, and would consider the TP2 but the lack of a headphone jack is killing me. I live in the US and have not had a chance to play with the TP2. I have AT&T which I am assuming will not have the headphone jack like the Sprint and Verizon (CDMA) model has, Lucky Bastards!!! Anyway, that is what will probably stop me from getting the TP2.
I am sure there will be other options with a headphone jack in the future since HTC has made it clear that most future devices will have them. TP3?? I think they are a little sore from the lashing they took for not putting it in the TP2 which is clearly a great multimedia device. Kida like buying some of the original flat panel tv's that didn't have a TV tuner or speakers. Kinda defeats the purpose.

Well I personally recomend the Touch HD (not only for the reason that I have it and I love it ) when I was choosing my device I was looking for the bigest screen on the market as I like browsing the internet a lot and let me say this BIGGER IS BETTER when we are talking about PPC's nothing can change that also you get a cool design that gets the "WOW" effect from anyone and your pants will not fall to the ground when you are carying it in your pocket.It really depends on the person but for me if I have two phones with almost equal specifications I'll go for the bigger screen even if it is 0,1 inches bigger than the other one.Leo is probably my next device but I heard great things about TOSHIBA's TG01 4.1 inch monster with 1ghz proccessor that's only 10mm thick if you can get your hands on that (it's available in some areas) I would recommend that.

If you are only using one phone I would get the TP2. As I already have the E71 for emails etc I ordered the Touch HD yesterday as a semi tablet.

if it were me, id let my contract run out, continue using the service with your old phone until Leo is released, then upgrade if your carrier runs with the leo, if it doesnt id then upgrade to the most expencive phone they offer then leaving it in its box id flog it on ebay an use the money to buy the leo...
just my thoughts

Diamond 2 worth it?

Hey guys,
I currently own a Sony Ericsson Xperia, and am possibly looking for a new phone. I love the look of a proper HTC phone, with Manilla ofc, because I love it, and they are good quality phones. I can't decide between a Diamond 2 (Topaz) or a Touch HD (Blackstone) and would like to know what you guys love so much about the Diamond 2.
Be it custom ROMs here, features etc. I would love to know what you like best =)
Thanks ^^

The only difference is that blackstone has a little large display but the resolutions are same.
And the blackstone has no zoombar. But its no problem.
If i were you i'd choose Blackstone.
Both worth to your money.

I love Topaz because it really feels more like a phone compared to the Diamond. I also like to watch alot of movies and series on my phone so a big screen was seomthing I needed (movies looks amazing on the screen btw).
The phone is really fluid and smooth and I haven't installed a Custom ROM because the Stock is really good (under 50% RAM usage all the time except when I watch movies of course).
If you like to listen to music and watch movies, pick the HD (it got 3.5mm jack, tho you can buy a adapter to the Topaz for $5 or something).

And now for a difference of opinion...
I find the blackstone to large for a day to day phone, and prefer the diamond 2....

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And now for a difference of opinion...
I find the blackstone to large for a day to day phone, and prefer the diamond 2....
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I agree. I had the choice of either but chose the Touch Diamond 2 because the HD is too big for my pockets.
Man.

The TD2 can do VGA (640x480) videos, the HD can't. Though don't expect the quality to be as good as a proper camera doing VGA videos.

i'd keep your cash and stay away from htc all together...this phone is nothing but problems and faults.....just look at the board and see how many people are complaining about things with it.
I should've got an Iphone...even though i used to be very anti apple everything.......at least they work

I love my TD2 - I think it has a perfect size. It's snappy. I use it with SPB Mobile Shell and it works great. The only bad thing with the TD2 is battery life -I get under one day with heavy use..
If not TD2 I would definately not go for Blackstone -but wait for HTC Leo...........
http://ai.rs/2009/09/htc-leo/

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I love my TD2 - I think it has a perfect size. It's snappy. I use it with SPB Mobile Shell and it works great. The only bad thing with the TD2 is battery life -I get under one day with heavy use..
If not TD2 I would definately not go for Blackstone -but wait for HTC Leo...........
http://ai.rs/2009/09/htc-leo/
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Same here with the battery life, but if I let it in standby over the night (6-10 hours) I don't lose more than 10% on that time which I think is damn good.
I made a test yesterday and watched as many movies I could on the phone and I could watch a totalt of 3h 20min before it died (100% to 0%).

Barff1984 said:
i'd keep your cash and stay away from htc all together...this phone is nothing but problems and faults.....just look at the board and see how many people are complaining about things with it.
No problems with mine I'm glad I didn't get an iPhone! as I use it for business as well as pleasure I think It's an excellent phone.
Guess it depends on what you want in ur phone.
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Ditto on the battery life. I find Manila a bit too finger friendly. I've got the Topaz Essential ROM and SPB Mobile shell 3 running on it and its real smooth. There are a few quirks here and there as with any other phone but HTC makes one of the best Windows Mobile phones on the market, great for business or pleasure.

I prefer Diamond 2 cuz the screen fits girls very much. Compared with it, HD is a little bit larger than that. I have to take the phone everyday and the HD is just too large for that.

madindehead said:
Hey guys,
I currently own a Sony Ericsson Xperia, and am possibly looking for a new phone. I love the look of a proper HTC phone, with Manilla ofc, because I love it, and they are good quality phones. I can't decide between a Diamond 2 (Topaz) or a Touch HD (Blackstone) and would like to know what you guys love so much about the Diamond 2.
Be it custom ROMs here, features etc. I would love to know what you like best =)
Thanks ^^
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D2
D2 is more elegant~

Barff1984 said:
i'd keep your cash and stay away from htc all together...this phone is nothing but problems and faults.....just look at the board and see how many people are complaining about things with it.
I should've got an Iphone...even though i used to be very anti apple everything.......at least they work
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I wouldn't listen to this. The Topaz is the best phone I've had yet... well worth your money!
I considered getting a blackstone, but I also found the screen too large. I would consider the Topaz to be an upgrade on the Blackstone. It has slightly more functionality, it looks better and since it's newer it seems to be better supported. (e.g. It will be getting the windows Mobile upgrade and a new Manila soon - Not sure if the blackstone will be getting these Of course you could always have these with a cooked ROM)

I just got mine for 2 weeks and so far I got no complaint.
When I try out Blackstone and Topaz I feel the touchscreen work slightly faster (this might due to firmware) and blackstone with silicone case cannot fit my pocket.
Also smaller screen with the same resolution just give you a crispy video playback and to my surprise the built-in media player actually work better than core player. (at least for h.264+aac encode).
PS. Go to hell with iphone I you love sending messages forgot about iphone. It would make your life harder. I usually a pro apple (owning power mac g3-5 + mac pro) but iphone is just a fad...

TD2 vs. HD
madindehead said:
Hey guys,
I currently own a Sony Ericsson Xperia, and am possibly looking for a new phone. I love the look of a proper HTC phone, with Manilla ofc, because I love it, and they are good quality phones. I can't decide between a Diamond 2 (Topaz) or a Touch HD (Blackstone) and would like to know what you guys love so much about the Diamond 2.
Be it custom ROMs here, features etc. I would love to know what you like best =)
Thanks ^^
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Just watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKd5beLtYa0
I prefer TD2 instead of HD, but that's just me...
Good luck to take the right decision for you!

Can any of you D2 owners compare the external speaker to lets say a BB 8900? I know it can't match TP2's speakers but how much worse is it?

The external speaker is located aft under the camera lens and lighting. Sound can be tuned to maximum loud and clear sound bearable. But there are many complaints as they coulcn't hear any audio (no ring, no alerts, no music) coming through the external speaker on BB 8900.

Does anyone know if the "rumored" 3G AT&T version of the D2 that's "supposed" to be released in October has 3.5 mm headphone jack? The leaked pictures do not show the top or lower edges of the phone. Some of the recent releases of the TP2 in the US and the new My Touch 2 have a 3.5mm jacks. I refuse to carry a dongle and the sound quality of Bluetooth headphones are not match for my UE IEMs. This is one feature that makes the iPhone very convenient.

YES!!
I owned a NOVA (ELF) for 2 years, which was not a bad device at all, but the new Diamond 2 is much better. The in-hand feeling is wonderful. I did not have problems until now and I am also happy with the battery duration.