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Diamond to Touch HD - is it worth it?!

I'm currently the owner of a launch day Touch Diamond - which cost me about £465 back in June from Devicewire.
Prior to that, I had a 16gb iPhone - which I really liked, but missed the features of a regular phone like picture messaging etc.
I'm running one of Dutty's last ROMS on the Diamond, it works perfectly and does pretty much everything I want. The only downer for me is the size of the screen. I go on 3 or 4 holidays abroad a year and the iPhone was ideal for filling with videos and watching them on the plane. I'm just back from my New Year break and borrowed a friends iPod Touch to use rather than watching videos on my Diamond for the bigger screen.
I have the HTC 1340mah battery in too which makes the battery a good bit better than the stock one, but its still needs a charge most nights. I also have the HTC charging cradle...
Has anyone here upgraded from a Diamond to a Touch HD? How do you find it in comparison? Bearing in mind I've spent about £500 on this phone, cradle and extended battery - is it worth paying another £550 for the Touch HD? Obviously I can eBay my Diamond and maybe get a few quid for it - but with heaps of them on just now they're not going for that much!

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I had the touch pro for three weeks and hated using it. Ive had the Touch HD for four weeks now and love it. the Touch Pro was just painfull entering text or surfing.

I switched from Diamond to HD about 6 weeks ago and I don´t regret it. I still have the Diamond but never use it (I like to have a spare phone..just in case). The HD runs slick right out of the box, I don´t think I´ll flash it anytime soon. The screen is just awesome, not only because it´s big but it´s also more responsible. And you have quite a bunch of MB´s more free RAM + a Micro SD card which is included in the box. I´ll say go for it

I also had a Touch Pro and now much happier with the HD.
The HD is really great !! The Touch Pro was good but I found I did not need the keyboard so often and it was a heavy price, sic, to pay for it. The screen quality on the Touch Pro is very good but it's small compared to the HD.
The HD fits very well to my ideal device - very thin but large. The Touch Pro was too fat and had a too small display.

I upgraded to a Diamond but sent it back cos I wasnt getting on with it. Upgraded to a HD but yet to receive it.
Seriously considering just selling it on ebay and cash in. Upgrading from a nokia n95 which is all I need.
Do you think if i didnt get on with the diamond id struggle with the hd?

Hamudi2000 said:
I switched from Diamond to HD about 6 weeks ago and I don´t regret it. I still have the Diamond but never use it (I like to have a spare phone..just in case). The HD runs slick right out of the box, I don´t think I´ll flash it anytime soon. The screen is just awesome, not only because it´s big but it´s also more responsible. And you have quite a bunch of MB´s more free RAM + a Micro SD card which is included in the box. I´ll say go for it
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Same situation and opinion

i havnt had a diamond , but i did use my ipod touch a lot for movies and music so the main reason for me to upgrade from my n95 was to have an all in 1 device .
I play my movies using core player which i find very good (no jerkiness during playback etc)
And playing music is also fine , so while id say if i was just going to use it as a phone id have stuck with my n95 but if your going to use it for multi media id say Go for it

Recently there were a few threads that covered this topic a lot. Browse through the past 3 or 4 pages.

g4orce99 said:
I upgraded to a Diamond but sent it back cos I wasnt getting on with it. Upgraded to a HD but yet to receive it.
Seriously considering just selling it on ebay and cash in. Upgrading from a nokia n95 which is all I need.
Do you think if i didnt get on with the diamond id struggle with the hd?
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Hard to say mate since we are not aware of what you where struggling it functionality wise... all I can tell you is that ive had a few windows mobile devices and always liked them due to suiting my lifestyle just fine...the hd is by far the one is use even more of its achievable function on such as web (most pages can be fully viewd without side scrolling and still looking pretty much as seen on your desktop and pages are readable without zooming in) and general digging into the menus without the need of the stylus!! but windows mobile is like marmite...you either love it or hate it

agent003 said:
windows mobile is like marmite...you either love it or hate it
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That should be a tagline here, it's the perfect answer!

I also traded in my 16GB iphone for a first release diamond which was great at first but had me craving the speed and the screen of the apple product despite it's limitations.
Moving up to the HD was, for me, the perfect blend of the two. With a few tweaks i have considerably better speed than the Diamond and a bigger better screen than the iphone.
iphone movie playback and touch is still better but being able to copy text from websites and send in an email via exchange to work colleagues when researching stuff is invaluable.
the camera indoors and at night is a pile of poop tho
my diamond sits in a drawer, the HD does everything better and faster.. what DPad?!? Don't even miss it

2unique said:
the camera indoors and at night is a pile of poop tho
my diamond sits in a drawer, the HD does everything better and faster.. what DPad?!? Don't even miss it
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I bet the camera is still better than the iPhone's measly 2mp camera in the dark though.
To be honest the only time I ever use the D-pad on my Diamond is to zoom in / out on links that are too small to hit with my fingers!
How do you mean the movie playback isn't as good on the HD as the iPhone?
Another good reason for changing it to save carrying a stupid USB headphone adapter about with me!
I've been watching a couple of Dimonds on eBay - and I can probably get about £200 for it - plus another few £'s for my dock and extended battery.
I was hoping that some people would tell me not to bother changing as they were very similar - but it seems everyone prefers the Touch HD! Looks like my wallet is going to take another battering!!! I think play.com seems to be the cheapest at £500 inc delivery?
I might have a look in my Orange store today and see what they can give me on a contract - as I currently have no ties.
Thanks for all the input though...

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How do you mean the movie playback isn't as good on the HD as the iPhone?
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allow me to retract that as of today http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=467112

ask in the diamond forum, might get a few reasons to save your money !!

Heck yea its worth it I am with sprint....about to cancel to jump ship to T-mobile. I had the TOUCH, DIAMOND, and TOUCH PRO. None of them compare to the Blackstone. The vogue was ok, which i kept as my back-up phone. The diamond, I hated the bottom buttons, kept freezing up and not responding. The TOUCH PRO let me down because i thought i could convince myself that the whole "Slide out keyboad" was ok for me, but after a week, i realized I was a touch screen person. So now when i cancel my sprint plan in a day or two, i will be selling the TOUCH PRO, and Vogue. Trust me, the HD is worth it

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Hard to say mate since we are not aware of what you where struggling it functionality wise... all I can tell you is that ive had a few windows mobile devices and always liked them due to suiting my lifestyle just fine...the hd is by far the one is use even more of its achievable function on such as web (most pages can be fully viewd without side scrolling and still looking pretty much as seen on your desktop and pages are readable without zooming in) and general digging into the menus without the need of the stylus!! but windows mobile is like marmite...you either love it or hate it
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Good post!
It's coming at some stage on Monday but as i said i'm questioning even opening the seal as I could sell it on ebay as a sealed box and make a few quid on it.
The way I look at mobiles I always ask myself could i answer a call or send a brief text message while im driving? like I can with my Nokia N95. (Not that i use my phone when driving but to me thats classed as "easy usage".
With the Diamond I found that calls were being answered in my pocket which was pissed me off something cronic. I found the touch screen un-responsive and after I installed tomtom it slowed the whole phone down and made touch flo very blocky and slow.
That was pretty much it and I wasnt 100% that I could live with these problems for 18 months so took advantage of the 7 day return policy.

Can anyone name another phone that has:
-The same size screen as the HD
-An accelerometer
-7.2 mbit HSDPA
-GPS
-Front facing camera for videophone
-Video recording capabilities
-Expandable ram to 64gb
-5+ megapixel camera
-Hotswap SD cards
-User removeable battery
Afaik there is no other phone with this functionality.

gold333 said:
Can anyone name another phone that has:
-The same size screen as the HD
-An accelerometer
-7.2 mbit HSDPA
-GPS
-Front facing camera for videophone
-Video recording capabilities
-Expandable ram to 64gb
-5+ megapixel camera
-Hotswap SD cards
-User removeable battery
Afaik there is no other phone with this functionality.
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Yes stats are great. But as much as i hate saying it the iphone has something unrelated to stats. It has the (make up some word) WOOOOOWZER factor to it. The touch screen is the best, the web browsing is the best so i keep hearing & (nothing todo with the phone) it has REAL unlimited internet. Swings and Roundabouts my friend.

+ ive gotta be honest Id rather use a 2mp cam with a flash than a 5 without. I goto a lot of parties!

g4orce99 said:
Yes stats are great. But as much as i hate saying it the iphone has something unrelated to stats. It has the (make up some word) WOOOOOWZER factor to it. The touch screen is the best, the web browsing is the best so i keep hearing & (nothing todo with the phone) it has REAL unlimited internet. Swings and Roundabouts my friend.
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I got unlimited internet for less on my HD, cause I don't pay apple tax. I pay 24 euro a month(18 months) which includes 200 min calling and unlimited internet access, Iphone starts at 35 euro a month(24 months) here and only 150 min. No matter how I look at it, iphone was a bummed deal(especially not able to do whatever you want unless you jailbreak).
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PS. Iphone doesn't have flash either last time I checked. But I do have to say I was thoroughly not amused by the 3 seconds autofocus/shutter time on the HD. Other than that I love my HD more than any phone I owned previously.

Opinion before devorcing my beloved Touch HD

Ok guys just trying to get opinions out there. Currently using the Touch HD. Came from a Nokia device so I love the speed of symbian compared to Windows. It seems like the time has come for me to figure out if I want to keep the Touch HD or not.
Pro:
I love the big screen.
It looks sleek.
Easy to flashfirmware and tweaking performance is fun.
Con:
Incoming calls is a little laggy. Sometimes calls come in as unknown.
Phone feels a slower than ones I've used before.
No TV-Out.
*Having a keyboard would be a plus. But without it is not a Con*
I'm actually debating getting rid of the Touch HD for either the Xperia X1i/X1a so I would gain a keyboard and overall use would stay the same.
Or I thought about getting the Nokia 5800 tube, so that I gain the TV-Out feature to display gps on my indash and have the feel of symbian again.
Or ultimate would be to get the new n97 which has a large screen and keyboard.
What do you guys think? I think the biggest thing bothering me is the phone feelings a bit laggy compared to my previous nokia phones.

try keyboard in landscape mode man it works very well.
incomoingcall work well to me too.
after using it i dont wanna come back with symbyan anymore

Sorry but you knew it had no keyboard when you got it so if it is a "con" and not a "pro", why did you get it in the first place?

well then I guess I should list it as a neutral thing. I would like a full keyboard, but I'm satisfied with the compact querty at the moment. So good call tboy.

I dunno, going to the X1 isn't going to do much for you other than the physical keyboard. It sounds like love Symbian so maybe just wait for the N97.

I have both Nokia n95 an htc HD, HD is much better! 1 thing above all: HD is fully customizable, and you can improve it with new official roms or with a lot of cooked roms.......

Hello
I have the HD and the Nokia Tube.
The Nokia Tube is crap.
Slow as hell, and the worst GUI i have ever seen.

Flash a few cooked roms first... see if that makes your HD the device you always wanted...

do you recomend any?

I also own a n95 and the hd, and the nokia is no match for the hd in any aspect. Once you get used to the hd big screen and lots of features, you wonder how you could waste your money in the nokia set.
The hd is fairly fast for me, the gps works much better than the n95's. It fully customizable, the battery lasts longer, the rds radio of the hd is much better that the visual radio of the n95 (in Spain the rds system is spread all around the country while the visual radio is scarcely used), there's a lot of sotware available for the hd... in summary, i would't change it.
But each user asks for different features so...that's just my opinion.

Cheeze[iT] said:
well then I guess I should list it as a neutral thing. I would like a full keyboard, but I'm satisfied with the compact querty at the moment. So good call tboy.
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You could try SPB Full Keyboard

Symbian UI sux the biggest time ever!!!!
There is no Symbian or Nokia I have ever tried that is nice or fast, the N96 is a piece of s..t! I stompted on the damn thing into pieces, seriously, kept freezing and the menu's are a nightmare, menu's within menus within more menus.... The "cons" you mentioned are nothing compared to any Symbian.
"TV Out" its a gimic function of Samsung and Nokia, the quality of TV Out function is way way below VHS quality making it a whole waste of time IMHO, anyway just my 2 cents in a useless topic.
Perhaps Symbian seems more suited to your needs

I went shopping for a new HTC device yesterday.
I looked at the Diamond, Touch Pro, Xperia X1, G1 and the Touch HD.
I found the Diamond's screen size to adequate, but the lack of storage card baffles me.
The Touch Pro was just to heavy but the keyboard was very useable + storage card.
The Xperia's keyboard felt better, but the weight killed it for me. The screen is also far too small to handle WVGA.
The G1's 16million colurs makes the same difference with the screen as an iPod. HTC really should move to 16M colours asap. The interface was great, but you can tell it is in its infancy. I will be watching Android keenly over the next year.
Then we have the HD :
The screen size makes a huge difference - 3.8" WVGA is the perfect size for this res (2.8" is borderline too small).
The device is the exact same size as the iPhone (I think the box matches Apple's packaging as well...) This fits nicely in the hand and feels very light.
The screen size also helps with finger inputs, even on the standard keyboard!
The device is fast. I found no lag running through the programs, even while leaving 10 open. The 512Mb RAM certainly helps there.
A hardware keyboard for me is a con. When I moved to one (XDA Mini S), I found it strange to get used, but percivered, when I moved back to an onscreen keyboard, I certainly did not miss the physical kb.
After playing with all 5 devices, I have payed up for the HD.
It'll be delivered on Tuesday.

MrAce87 said:
do you recomend any?
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davideuck, believe me!

Thanks for input guys,
I do like the ability to flash new roms as I am trying to keep up with Laurentius26 and the L26 roms. It seems the V7 seems to be pretty responsive. As far as the tube VS touch HD Speed comparison, thanks for the info.
On the TV-Out feature, I would only use it to display GPS on my indash so I can easily get around by getting a decent car mount I guess. I've been keeping up with that thead and haven't found one I liked yet.
Bringing up the point that symbian isn't as customizable friendly I guess it would advantage me to stay with the touch so that I can always flash different roms and see which I like better. And between the Xperia and the Touch HD, thats going to be a hard button keyboard VS big screen.
Now to go read up on some more interesting apps/games to install. Thanks again guys! Keep the input coming if you like! I appreciate it.

My first post here at xda, so forgive me while i get used to it ;-)
the touch hd is quite impressive as allrounder. i'm more than a little jealous of the screen compared to my own omnia.
but omnia is till my personal choise of today; huge internal memore (i currently use 16 gig + 16 gig sdhc) although it's 3.5mm jack is indirect, if does come as adapter in the sales box. it is a bit fatter than the hd though but not too much- 12.5mm. and it has the tv out u mentioned. anyway it is to my taste right now.
if u have the patience for future model i found some interresting ones here:
http://www.gsmarena.com/the_8_megapixel_samsung_i8910_records_hd_video_ready_to_roll-news-776.php
it seems the next generation of omnia. though rumor has it that it'll be running symbian instaid of wm... and by now i have gotten stuck on wm and its flexibillity. i'm not sure that i can go back. still if u look at its specks they doo make my mouth water- heh he.
http://www.gsmarena.com/toshiba_unleashes_the_tg01__the_ubersmartphone_to_rule_them_all-news-768.php
this one is a pure wm platform wich seems to leave even hd trailiang in the dust. but remember that with a screen as big as 4.1 inches u may need to resow your pockets in all shirts and pants. still size matters when using gui's and you hd is already a good example there.
none of them packs a built-in thumpboard though. for that u may need to to go n97, touch pro, xperia, HTC dream or G1. i've no experience with android yet. but as for wm's i hear experia is annoyingly slow, and if u already have trouble with the speed of the HD u may need to stay far away from this one. all of them packs better screenresolutions than omnia, but the benefits of higher resolution without bigger screen on these devices is argueable. on 3.2 inches i don't miss the extra pixels on windows mobile.
a good thing might be if others told about their experiences with various models. my dad for one would never trade in his HD for my omnia. but if i had to buy a new one today i'd still choose it over the others out there.
needs and tastes differ.

a little off toppic- sorry.
does anyone know if if it possible to mod s60-5th the same way as SPB and PointUI does it for wm? my only experience with it is n93 wich i kept as my primary for one and a half years. never thought of costumizing it though. and i've fallen in love with it on wm.

Cheeze,
I have the same problem.
X1 will have the same problem in terms of the lag.
keyboards are good, but you dont need them as much, you need to get use to the touch screen... give it more time...
If you want something just as good as the HD with no Lag, go iphone, but then you drop alot of good things with the HD.
i did at first contemplate selling off the HD and going in for the iphone, but i have used the iphone, and liked it for the whole 2 months i had it before i went to a smaller phone... and then to the HD...
the iphone was basic to what i needed it for, the hd works perfectly...
let me tell you, after 3 months, you will be fine with the hd, but the lag will increase... especially in calls... and if you are like me.. with an ever increaseing phone book addess list.. it doesnt help... due to work, my phone book is now at 500+, and that was after cutting it down due to the financial crises...
in all likelyhood i will go back to the iphone depending on what the next update is in July.. then in august will truely decide....

I to went from the HD to the iphone. I do miss the big screen and badass resolution but after a few weeks and jail breaking i dont even think about the hd or windows mobile for that matter.

Im currently looking to move from my Nokia E90 to The HD. I have never used a HD before so i cannot comment on it, but the Symbian email system is awful which is one of the reasons that im looking to move away from Symbian.
I have looked at the 5800 but it will be a "downgrade" from my E90. Also the N97 does look good but it only has 3 rows with the numbers intergrated into the top "qwerty" row.
That totally puts me off it

advice please

hi all, im relativly new to all this having had an n95 for the last year or so.
I have the choice of the samsung omnia white 8gb or the htc touch hd. With the omnia ill be on a 12 month contract, with the hd an 18.
Anywya, its driving me insane trying to decide, so id appreciate any advice you could offer.
the way im looking at it at th emoment, i like the fact that the omnia has a flash, built in memory and seems to be faster (reading on here there seems to be a driver issue with the hd).
The worrys i have about the hd are the driver situation(reading on here people seem to have delay issues with tomtom and i use gps quite alot, and weather without the device will be powerfull enough to run heavier apps and the lack of a flash and inbuilt memory.
However, what i love about the hd are the community you guys have. Looking at the forum (i may be totally wrong) but itlooks like you guys are not far away from getting android working on it, which would be cool as. Also, i like the way you can use the features from the other phones such as touchwiz and the xperia squares thingy.
Anywya, i dont know much atall having used symbian for the last 6 years or so , so please give me your honest advice.

Everyone looks at their phones differently.
It is decision that others can't make for you.
Evaluated the facts and make a choice.
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tkalli said:
Everyone looks at their phones differently.
It is decision that others can't make for you.
Evaluated the facts and make a choice.
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Couldn't have put it better!!
Only you know what you are looking for in a phone. Look at both specs, read up on both of them and evaluate which one is best for you.
Both have pros & cons, but you are right, xda developers is an awesome community to be part of and the tweaking & roms available are of great use!!

Is there likley to be any resolution to the driver situation. Im hoping that with the release of the magic mabey we will also have android running perfectly on the touch hd.
But then if i go for the omnia, its only 12 months i have to stay and i get the flash camera.
The omnia techinically looks just as powerfull as the hd touch, but with a lesser community of devs.
Grrr, descisions descisions!

ricflairandy said:
Is there likley to be any resolution to the driver situation. Im hoping that with the release of the magic mabey we will also have android running perfectly on the touch hd.
But then if i go for the omnia, its only 12 months i have to stay and i get the flash camera.
The omnia techinically looks just as powerfull as the hd touch, but with a lesser community of devs.
Grrr, descisions descisions!
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Camera on the Omnia is superior to the HD's, but I don't really use the camera function as I have a 10MP camera anyhow. I stated before, it all depends on your usage. If your looking for an Android phone, there is other options out there as Android on the HD appears to still be a long way off!

thanks guys, i think ill go for the omnia. I use gps and camera alot, so with the lag and no flash of the HD i think that just sways it for me.
And the omnia is only 12 months, so i can upgrade in 10 at xmas. Hopefully by then the htc will have resolved problems with the drivers and mabey have android running.
Omnia looks like it can do pretty much most of the things the hd can do and only downside is the smaller screen and resolution .. am i right in thinking this?

ricflairandy said:
thanks guys, i think ill go for the omnia. I use gps and camera alot, so with the lag and no flash of the HD i think that just sways it for me.
And the omnia is only 12 months, so i can upgrade in 10 at xmas. Hopefully by then the htc will have resolved problems with the drivers and mabey have android running.
Omnia looks like it can do pretty much most of the things the hd can do and only downside is the smaller screen and resolution .. am i right in thinking this?
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What you could do, which is a bit risky, is trial them both, i.e. get the HD and try it out for a couple days then return it saying you aren't happy, then get the Omnia and do the same thing. If you prefer the Omnia, just keep it etc

I had an Omnia for a few days and returned it as soon as possible for a Touch Pro (now have HD).
Omnia was rubbish, screen is poor, especially in sun light. The Op/sys was extremely unreliable - they've probably fixed this by now. There is no stylus except on a string and the interface is just a simple overlay on top of windows (bit like TF3D) so you need a stylus. Sound was excellent, camera was OK but I'm not a big photo maker with PDA.
The sensitivity of the Omnia acceleration detector is either too sensitive or not enough, I was not able to get it right. The touch screen sensitivity is poor - it needs a hard tap to make things happen.
What else? memory was not so big as on HD, screen resolution is not as good as HD, HD is just way way better.
BUT, it's a personal choice. However, I would highly recommend waiting for the new Omnia now and not buying the old one.

how do you find theHD though? In videos i have seen it seems to stutter alot and lag.

mmm
I got the touch HD , as I fell in love with the Orginal Touch .. I use PC's alott and starsted getting thumb strain with Nokia phone .. so went to the Touch .. loved this .. then went to the HD ... bigger screen etc.. I love it .. what It cant do .. is not worth it ..

i had the same dilema myself and i ended with the HD
if you want a brilliant display, cool factor and xda community go with the HD
if you want a decent camera, snappy interface, huge memory and avi movies with no conversion go with omnia
all other things are more or less the same and more or less acceptable
good luck!

thanks alot guys

ricflairandy said:
thanks guys, i think ill go for the omnia. I use gps and camera alot, so with the lag and no flash of the HD i think that just sways it for me.
And the omnia is only 12 months, so i can upgrade in 10 at xmas. Hopefully by then the htc will have resolved problems with the drivers and mabey have android running.
Omnia looks like it can do pretty much most of the things the hd can do and only downside is the smaller screen and resolution .. am i right in thinking this?
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I got the HD, my wife the omnia.
The HD has a much, much!, better screen. I don't see much difference between the camera's (except for the flash I suppose, but I don't think she ever used it).
As for GPS:
We tried it, driving with both telephones running Garmin software.
I didn't see any difference, the voice directions came mostly simultanious or at most within tenth of seconds from each other and to be honest, I have no idea if the omnia or the HD was the echo
No way I would ever want to swap my HD for her omnia

HappyLlama said:
I got the HD, my wife the omnia.
The HD has a much, much!, better screen. I don't see much difference between the camera's (except for the flash I suppose, but I don't think she ever used it).
As for GPS:
We tried it, driving with both telephones running Garmin software.
I didn't see any difference, the voice directions came mostly simultanious or at most within tenth of seconds from each other and to be honest, I have no idea if the omnia or the HD was the echo
No way I would ever want to swap my HD for her omnia
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what about playing movies. It seems the touch hd with the lack of hardware drives is sluggish in comparrison

ricflairandy said:
how do you find theHD though? In videos i have seen it seems to stutter alot and lag.
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I don't use videos much but I do use the youtube application and it's fine, I never get a stutter.
It probably depends on the coding/format being used.

Cheesy Dave said:
I don't use videos much but I do use the youtube application and it's fine, I never get a stutter.
It probably depends on the coding/format being used.
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Agreed, don't use videos, but I do find it annoying that when playing music you get an occasional stutter/blip with no apparent fix yet!!
How do you find the data charges when using youtube a lot?

cheers guys, orderd the omnia now in white.
thanks

Someone found the right thing to do with an omnia:
http://www.wmexperts.com/torture-phone-heaven-blogger
As to data charges for YouTube, I use this over wifi and not GPRS so I use it for free!

I get no noticeable GPS lag in either TomTom or Google Maps.

HTC Touch Pro 2, or HTC Touch HD?

Hey guys new member of the forum i will soon be getting a new phone and it will be either the Touch Pro 2 or the Touch HD. I'm not sure which one to get as i can live without a hardware keyboard which makes the device slimmer and easier to hold, but the question is what is the difference between the 2 phones? are they running the exact same software with the same features etc etc? if they operate exactly the same the HD looks nicer in my opinion, this will be my first time owning a windows mobile, will both phones get the same updates/custom roms. Other peoples opinions on these phones would be a great help, thanks in advance.
Sorry if this is not the correct section to be posting this.

If it was me, I'd maybe hold out for the HTC Leo, the HD's successor
Another thread which is kinda similar regarding people asking what to get after the HD maybe worth a read

thanks for your reply i will have a read of that, the issue is my contract runs out soon and the Leo doesn't yet have a release date and will be getting a new phone the day my contract runs out as i can't get through the day without my phone lol.

Isn't much difference apart from the qwerty keyboard, screen size, D-pad and camera. Generally everything else is similar. Check both the specs and read the wiki for both devices, have a look at the rom forums on both to see whats available.
It would most likely come down what you want, or what your looking for in a device. Basically personal opinion.

TP2 every day in the week.

thanks for the feedback guys. Well i prefer a slightly bigger screen and a slimmer looking phone and find the TP2 to be a little bulky, but if the software is the same this helps a lot as i like the look of the software from the TP2 which will be the same on the HD.
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TP2 every day in the week.
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could you maybe give some reasons on your view on why this would be the best choice? Thanks

The HD .. Huge screen .. and um... rather slim and cute looking .. I have a black silicone suround for it and mirror suraface.... and a huge screen with a huge resoultion .. did I mention that?

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The HD .. Huge screen .. and um... rather slim and cute looking .. I have a black silicone suround for it and mirror suraface.... and a huge screen with a huge resoultion .. did I mention that?
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Huge screen, but huge screen means less pixels = less quality. TP2 got a huge advantage when it comes down to screen resolution vs. HD. And the TP2 got a keyboard and 4 hardware buttons you can actually feel.

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Huge screen, but huge screen means less pixels = less quality. TP2 got a huge advantage when it comes down to screen resolution vs. HD.
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You're kidding, right? TP2 and HD both have WVGA - you're not seriously telling me that the pixel density on the HD is not high enough? I doubt you could even tell the difference between the two concerning DPI!
And I'd rather have a larger screen than a smaller one - even if the higher DPI would make a difference... What's the use of having a higher DPI on a smaller screen?

Hd is better in music as it has 3.5 mm audio jack which means better sound quality and also hd is higher in price (the only issue is that hd will not get wm6.5 officially from htc ) but i think it will but htc does not announce that to sell alot of the recent devices

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Hd is better in music as it has 3.5 mm audio jack which means better sound quality and also hd is higher in price (the only issue is that hd will not get wm6.5 officially from htc ) but i think it will but htc does not announce that to sell alot of the recent devices
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I have a Touch HD, although it is in for repairs at the moment, and would consider the TP2 but the lack of a headphone jack is killing me. I live in the US and have not had a chance to play with the TP2. I have AT&T which I am assuming will not have the headphone jack like the Sprint and Verizon (CDMA) model has, Lucky Bastards!!! Anyway, that is what will probably stop me from getting the TP2.
I am sure there will be other options with a headphone jack in the future since HTC has made it clear that most future devices will have them. TP3?? I think they are a little sore from the lashing they took for not putting it in the TP2 which is clearly a great multimedia device. Kida like buying some of the original flat panel tv's that didn't have a TV tuner or speakers. Kinda defeats the purpose.

Well I personally recomend the Touch HD (not only for the reason that I have it and I love it ) when I was choosing my device I was looking for the bigest screen on the market as I like browsing the internet a lot and let me say this BIGGER IS BETTER when we are talking about PPC's nothing can change that also you get a cool design that gets the "WOW" effect from anyone and your pants will not fall to the ground when you are carying it in your pocket.It really depends on the person but for me if I have two phones with almost equal specifications I'll go for the bigger screen even if it is 0,1 inches bigger than the other one.Leo is probably my next device but I heard great things about TOSHIBA's TG01 4.1 inch monster with 1ghz proccessor that's only 10mm thick if you can get your hands on that (it's available in some areas) I would recommend that.

If you are only using one phone I would get the TP2. As I already have the E71 for emails etc I ordered the Touch HD yesterday as a semi tablet.

if it were me, id let my contract run out, continue using the service with your old phone until Leo is released, then upgrade if your carrier runs with the leo, if it doesnt id then upgrade to the most expencive phone they offer then leaving it in its box id flog it on ebay an use the money to buy the leo...
just my thoughts

First post, want to choose between the HD2 & N900

Hey everyone,
I'm sorry my first post couldn't be of much benefit to anyone, but well, I joined these forums so I could learn and then hopefully contribute to the community as well.
My question is,
For a casual multimedia user and a heavy web browser like myself, what would be the better phone? the Leo or the Nokia N900?
I prefer the Leo because of it's larger screen, faster processor, customization ability and plus, WM just feels like home
However, I've heard complaints from many saying that the speaker is too distorted, the keyboard is rubbish and the touchscreen is oversensitive. Now, these are complete dealbreakers for me and even if I can live with the speaker, I need to have a proper, usable keyboard and an intuitive interface, which the N900 already has.
I'm also pretty concerned about the audio sync issue, on EVERY HD2, that occurs on videos making the audio usually lag behind the video about 100-250ms. That, alone, is worth making me not consider the device, despite it's strengths against every other phone.
For this reason, I can't really decide on which to buy and have come to you guys for suggestions.
Thanks in advance

Well first the leo..
You got a large screen Looking tv is simply amazing. The design of the leo is so slim ok the n900 has keyboard but it could be thinner for a qwerty slider.The second question how long do you use your phone 2 years or more?
The HD2 have very large ram and a fast proccesor. It future proof. If there comes a new version of windows or a cool android port big possibility that the hardware is capable of running the new OS. For the rest there are much more apps for the htc you can choose different navigation software and more. But oke the n900 is growing. In my eyes the hardware (exceptbattery and the glass of the screen wich can break) the device is solid as rock wifi, gps it al works nice and fast. Normally your device will be looking as new. Evrything fits nicely to gether no dust in the device etc... BUT one disadvantage you need to tweak your device flashing a custom rom installing some needed things cookies hometab, Srs wow hd, a better movie player. But ones done your device is perfect fast, the battery hold a long day. And you got a great device. About the touchscreen and keyboard if you practice with you can learn how to type with. But for the rest the touchscreen works good it is sensetive reactes fine in my opnion. Ok this was the LEO.
You can make windows perfect for you.
N900
Good device lots of linux developers. Works good maybe a bit better out of the box then leo. But less apps. The device is thicker. But the opterating system is a bit smarter. The device is in my opnion uglyer than leo.
Conclusion:
If you like a little bit tweaking and not to noob with electronics. And dont gonna cry if you installed a program that make your device unstable. And not the first thing that you are gonna do is calling htc if you got problems. Then you will love your htc hd2.
If you are a customer that not is intrested in the device it self and you hate complicated things etc.. than choose the n900
It is like this
OS:
N900 Good/very good
LEO Good
OS after tweaking
N900 Good/very good
LEO Ultimate (greatest possibilities of a mobile device).
But in fact of hardware hd2 always powns with any phon
But the N900 is more intuintive.
But if you don't change settings evryday. Sense works simply and intuintive in my opnion.
Only if you are wanna play a XVID (example) you need 3d party apss with are not always intuitnive.
It works fine stable and with cookies hometab perfect.

in my oppinion the leo is the best phone i´ve had, but it all depends on the users needs, interrest and the time u want to spend customizing the phone to your needs and likings... ..
my advice would be try out but phones in a shop and take the one you like the best... ...
cheers
ps. NEVER experienced oversensitivity on my leo´s screen, and the keyboard is easy to use when u get used to it, otherwise there are alot of alternatives to the winmobile keyboard..

I'm don't know N900 too much but I have some inputs about the HD2 that you will like!
The touch screen has been a bit sensitive, I love the sensitivity BUT it gets in the way when typing on the keyboard, making it suck big time kick ass hard!
However, I just flashed to the Artemis v14 ROM (which is a custom ROM if you didn't get that far in your research).
To my big surprise, either because I forgot to turn off the vibration feedback, or the keyboard was actally improved, cuz now it's almost impossible to misspress anymore.
I am so satisfied with the keyboard now, so that problem is 100% gone!
Personally, before I got my HD2, I was a bit against it not having a hardware keyboard, but now I'd rather get raped than have a HD2 twice or tripple its thickness just to get a hw-keyboard.
Summary: The keyboard on HD2 is great now.
With time, I got either used to the little distortion the speakers has, or the quality got a little bit better (I think it actually did! I always have the lowest volume though).
So, the speaker might not be what u expect when u pay so much money, but the sens of the screen is good and the keyboard works flawlessly!
Hope this helps ur desicion!

You cannot beat the HD2 for web browsing Opera 9.7 is the best mobile browser ever made and in landscape it's simply huge, you can read pretty much a whole web page width as it was designed.
The default keyboard is very good in my opinion however I use SlideIT which I think cannot be beaten, it's a Swype variant but better.
However you must take battery life into consideration, and I don't care what people say, the HD2 has a poor battery life. I carry a spare as a matter of course and rarely burn through one a day, but just in case it's an essential thing to have.
I wouldn't swap my HD2 for the world with a custom ROM, and a few tweaks nothing can beat it.

what site do you open when you are browsing the web?
if it's full of flash then go to the n900 or android phone
if it's just the regular web pages just go with the hd2.
as the hd2 won't get the flash 10.1 from the adobe
the hd2 will be perfect if it got the flash 10.
huge screen, the pretty htc sense, best web browser (if the web without flash), very fast snapdragon, beautiful design, and many more

Thanks for the replies, everyone.
I am the tweaking, modding sort of person and frankly I do browse a LOT of webpages.
From your feedback @jan-willem3 I have to agree with you, the Leo is better looking and more modder friendly, it is also much more powerful than the N900.
From everybody elses, I see the keyboard has some issues and since I'm coming from an E90 communicator I presume I'd just have to get used to touchscreens. Go figure.
Anyhow, you guys have convinced me, I'm springing for the HD2 since here it is a little bit cheaper than the N900. I will miss the TV-out but I think the screen is big enough for movie watching.
Just a few more questions, does an Apple Wireless Keyboard work properly with it? and does it have any problems handling 16GB microSD cards?

un fair to compare these two devices . leo leads by million miles ( multitouch capastive screen, the on screen keyboare is bigger than the hardware keyboard on n 900 , more power processor , more than twice ram (576 vs 256 ). bigger screen ,and finally (windows os ,means push email ,revolutionary office ,and allot for business needs0

I had an N900 which is good but the battery life is rubbish. I tried two different phones and three batteries incase I had a duff phone. In the end I exchanged the N900 for the HD2. On the N900 the battery would last three hours and using the same amount of web browsing, phone calls and playing with the phone I can get one and a bit days from the HD2.
Some of the features of the N900 are better than the HD2, uploading to facebook, and I could get my location uploaded to facebook and twitter.
I also liked the cover to protect the camera lens on the N900, what I did not like was the lack of apps and the general feel taht the N900 was a work in progress.

I have the used both phones.
The N900 is probably better for multimedia & browsing.
The keyboard is better, it has TV Out (Out of the box, including cable) too so you can use a big screen for films and browsing.
The films seem to run a lot smoother too than on the HD2 despite the HD2's superior spec.
A nice touch of the N900 is the built in stand to stand the phone at an angle while watching films.
The HD2 runs really nice in WIFI router mode though and my laptop runs great and fast online off the HD2, so if you're going to use a laptop with for browsing while out then the HD2 is better suited.
However, the HD2 is much better looking & more customisable.
The N900 is actually very chunky though. But it has the bonus of a 32gb Storage on board which is very nice.
For me the N900 has a much better battery life while browsing & film watching. I guess it's due to the slightly smaller screen & processor.
Id love to say the HD2 as this is what I use daily, but for what you need the N900 is probably better.
Here's a pic of them side by side I took a while ago with some other phones for a direct comparison.

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I have the used both phones.
The N900 is probably better for multimedia & browsing.
The keyboard is better, it has TV Out (Out of the box, including cable) too so you can use a big screen for films and browsing.
The films seem to run a lot smoother too than on the HD2 despite the HD2's superior spec.
A nice touch of the N900 is the built in stand to stand the phone at an angle while watching films.
The HD2 runs really nice in WIFI router mode though and my laptop runs great and fast online off the HD2, so if you're going to use a laptop with for browsing while out then the HD2 is better suited.
However, the HD2 is much better looking & more customisable.
The N900 is actually very chunky though. But it has the bonus of a 32gb Storage on board which is very nice.
For me the N900 has a much better battery life while browsing & film watching. I guess it's due to the slightly smaller screen & processor.
Id love to say the HD2 as this is what I use daily, but for what you need the N900 is probably better.
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I agree with you, except that the battery life is better because of the lesser backlighting and the smaller processor. Both screens (HD2 and N900) have the same resolution, as you know.
Tbh, the only reason I'm not buying the N900 is because of the screen, which I'm downgrading on. My current E90 communicator has a screen with slightly lower resolution (i.e. 800x352) than the N900 and the HD2 but it measures 4.0 inches. Losing screen real-estate is not something I'm willing to do.
The N900 has an amazing browser but the HD2 has more screen space to offset that. Both can play multimedia but I'm holding off on the HD2 because of this. No escape since this seems to affect the HTC Desire too.
In the end, I do think the N900 is better for me, but it's size and small screen put me off. What do you guys think I should go for, then, as an alternative?

Yeah I can see why you don't want to go for the N900 if it's smaller in screen size than you have, otherwise I think it would be a good choice for you.
As you can see in that pic there is also a Sony Erricsson Xperia X10
I would not recommend you get this.
Browsing is very painful and it only plays MP4 out the box, no avi!!!!!
It just doesn't run nice IMO but does have a nice screen & camera.

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Yeah I can see why you don't want to go for the N900 if it's smaller in screen size than you have, otherwise I think it would be a good choice for you.
As you can see in that pic there is also a Sony Erricsson Xperia X10
I would not recommend you get this.
Browsing is very painful and it only plays MP4 out the box, no avi!!!!!
It just doesn't run nice IMO but does have a nice screen & camera.
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hmmm. then that's the XPERIA X10 out of the picture.
What else do you recommend? Thanks for helping me out on this.

u said the keyboard and the oversensetive screen would be dealbreaker for u...
there are so many other amazing keyboard for winmo out there. i hate the standard htc keyboard too, i really hate it. the first app i installed was the fingerkeyboard 2.1 ^.^ i just love it.
and yes, some ppl say the screen is oversensetive.. it truly is if u compare it to older winmo devices or another capacitive device BUT this problem is already solved ^.^ there are some cabs on this forum to decrase the screen sensetivity. im using this since 2 months now or so, and its really better
uuhm, i think i just killed ur dealbreakers
and hey, for me, the speakers are okay, well i only use them for utube or when my phone rings, for what else should i? why should i watch movies on my hd2 without earplugs? i mean, we got so amazing sound quality with WOW SRS

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u said the keyboard and the oversensetive screen would be dealbreaker for u...
there are so many other amazing keyboard for winmo out there. i hate the standard htc keyboard too, i really hate it. the first app i installed was the fingerkeyboard 2.1 ^.^ i just love it.
and yes, some ppl say the screen is oversensetive.. it truly is if u compare it to older winmo devices or another capacitive device BUT this problem is already solved ^.^ there are some cabs on this forum to decrase the screen sensetivity. im using this since 2 months now or so, and its really better
uuhm, i think i just killed ur dealbreakers
and hey, for me, the speakers are okay, well i only use them for utube or when my phone rings, for what else should i? why should i watch movies on my hd2 without earplugs? i mean, we got so amazing sound quality with WOW SRS
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I'm pretty convinced about these problems being easy to solve, but I just saw this. Personally, this is a major flaw that will seriously affect my movie-watching.

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I'm pretty convinced about these problems being easy to solve, but I just saw this. Personally, this is a major flaw that will seriously affect my movie-watching.
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aww, i saw this thread, but i always ignored it cause im not watching that many movies with my phone.. for me it doesnt matter, but it suxx

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aww, i saw this thread, but i always ignored it cause im not watching that many movies with my phone.. for me it doesnt matter, but it suxx
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Yeah but I dooo want to watch movies on my HD2 when it comes, that's what the big screen is for, no?
The thing is, I'm just letting a sync issue change me over to Maemo, a smaller, resistive screen and a whole lot of included bulk. But to me, movie watching on the go is CRUCIAL.
For the guys with this issue, is it really that bad? Even with TCPMP and CorePlayer? What if we lower the bitrate a bit?

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Yeah I can see why you don't want to go for the N900 if it's smaller in screen size than you have, otherwise I think it would be a good choice for you.
As you can see in that pic there is also a Sony Erricsson Xperia X10
I would not recommend you get this.
Browsing is very painful and it only plays MP4 out the box, no avi!!!!!
It just doesn't run nice IMO but does have a nice screen & camera.
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Actually, does the screen "feel" small? As in do you ever squint at the screen to watch videos or struggle to read text? Or is there not enough room to see things properly? If it doesn't I might just go for it over the HD2, the main reason being the audio sync issue on the HD2. Have you tried playing videos on the HD2 and noticed any discernable lag in the audio and video?

Yeah, mine has terrile lag unless I use TCPMP then it's fine, doesn't work for everyone though.
The N900s screen is fine for me, no squinting, it just looks a bit small in appearance as the phone is quite chunky so it just doesn't look so big compared to the chunky phone it's on.

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You cannot beat the HD2 for web browsing Opera 9.7 is the best mobile browser ever made and in landscape it's simply huge, you can read pretty much a whole web page width as it was designed.
The default keyboard is very good in my opinion however I use SlideIT which I think cannot be beaten, it's a Swype variant but better.
However you must take battery life into consideration, and I don't care what people say, the HD2 has a poor battery life. I carry a spare as a matter of course and rarely burn through one a day, but just in case it's an essential thing to have.
I wouldn't swap my HD2 for the world with a custom ROM, and a few tweaks nothing can beat it.
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I would have agreed about SlideIt until the 2.13 ROM update was released. Now, the top performer is Swype for me, once again. I just bought SlideIt too, darn it!