Idle data connection and battery drain - XPERIA X1 General

I know, I know, the following question has been answered oh so many times, but that exactly is my problem!!!
Does an idle data connection actually drain the battery faster or not? I've searched the whole forums (not just x1) and really read a lot of threads... There are people who say "yes, it does" and the opponents. I've also come across a blog-entry on MSDN where it says it doesn't.
So, which one shall it be?!
I'm pulling Mails every 60 minutes, all other data-settings are set to manually. I'm asking this because of my post in Itje's Touch-IT v.10 thread. ("auto-disconnect after..." makes a phone call end a data connection on 3g)
Best regards,
Cal

I believe it DOES drain more. Why don't you try?

Firefall! said:
I believe it DOES drain more. Why don't you try?
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Of course I will try. (especially if there's no definitive answer) But that would also mean I shouldn't play with my phone for a day - come on, seriously?
Nah, I'll see over night, post it here and then there's at least one specific thread on this from 2009. Thought i'd might ask anyway.

For me, it does NOT drain the battery more. What kills the battery for me is having IMAP IDLE enabled, which will definitely drain the battery, as it is actively using the connection, passing data. If the data connection is enabled and on, then it won't use more juice until it actually starts transmitting data. You'll want to check if any applications you have open (or running in the background) are set to "Auto Update" after a certain amount of minutes (e.g. RSS readers, Twitter apps, etc.)

See? Two answers - two statements. *lol*
scar45 said:
For me, it does NOT drain the battery more. What kills the battery for me is having IMAP IDLE enabled, which will definitely drain the battery, as it is actively using the connection, passing data.
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imap idle? are you using a different mail client or did i miss that in pocket outlook? Oo
Nevermind. Found it, Email Scheduler and Imap Pusher - reading into it now... ^^
scar45 said:
If the data connection is enabled and on, then it won't use more juice until it actually starts transmitting data. You'll want to check if any applications you have open (or running in the background) are set to "Auto Update" after a certain amount of minutes (e.g. RSS readers, Twitter apps, etc.)
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nope, no apps, no automatic updates (that i know of. pretty sure i disabled them all. no suspicious process in task manager as well.) except mail-pull every hour. so, i'll see tomorrow morning what my phone has to say about it.

I really think it drains the battery!
I noticed in past 2-3 weeks that my battery drains faster than before. I thought that probably it dies because i charge it every time i can: at home, in the car; I talk and use the phone a lot. I also noticed in past days that I got two "E" icons (edge) in taskbar instead of regular big "E" and antenna.
I got to conclusion that data connection drains battery faster, because i set up regular email check just recently.
The only way I found to disconnect data connection is going to Start-Settings-Connections-Comm Manager-Menu-Disconnect Cellular Data.
Can anyone provide a tip how to make it disconnect automatically after the program that required it was closed?

not after closing the program, but after a certain amount of time... there are some possible ways:
- use "bandswitch" (not free)
- use "advanced config" (free) - more settings -> connections
- with a reg editor add these keys
- ...
i'm sure you'll find many other apps to do it if you search for them on xda. these above are just the 3 ways i tried myself since i've got my phone.

okay, i lost 7% in 10 hours - so i guess an idle data connection DOES NOT drain the battery. at least for me that is.

caliban2 said:
okay, i lost 7% in 10 hours - so i guess an idle data connection DOES NOT drain the battery. at least for me that is.
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With the data connection constantly on and mailcheck every hour?

Firefall! said:
With the data connection constantly on and mailcheck every hour?
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Exactly.
- polling evey 60 minutes
- data constantly on
- gprs connection (no edge on my new carrier )
- 3 of 4 bars reception
- standby mode (phone doesn't wake up at new mail)
- cpu set at 122 mhz in standby with clock speed
but i'll have to see how it does in the next few days... and i'll give outlook email scheduler a try, for it's imap idle support. pretty sure this would increase battery drain.

And what do you guys think,
Is beeing on a hsdpa network without data connection but using the X1 drains more energy than the same circumstances but disabled hsdpa(only gprs but still not connected)?
And whats the situation when the phone is off with the both network type?
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- cpu set at 122 mhz in standby with clock speed
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With what program can you do that?

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Questions about Battery and Data connections

Guys,
I have my data connections on 24/7 to pull/push emails etc. I have HD Tweak which can enable me to disconnect the Data Connection after a certain period of time. However i'm pretty sure last time I did this it caused issues with SMS/MMS over that connection...(i seem to recall a warning against that setting in HD Tweak also) - What i'm asking is a) does anyone use this disconnect option and what are your experiences b) what else can I use and c) should I be experiencing high drain if it's on 24/7?
How can I ascertain the battery drain of my device?
**bumping and hoping for some helpful fellows**
Wiggz said:
Guys,
I have my data connections on 24/7 to pull/push emails etc. I have HD Tweak which can enable me to disconnect the Data Connection after a certain period of time. However i'm pretty sure last time I did this it caused issues with SMS/MMS over that connection...(i seem to recall a warning against that setting in HD Tweak also) - What i'm asking is a) does anyone use this disconnect option and what are your experiences b) what else can I use and c) should I be experiencing high drain if it's on 24/7?
How can I ascertain the battery drain of my device?
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My HD is also connected 24/7 for push mail,it is normal for the battery to drain more rapidly when you are connected 24/7.I disabled HSDPA and BEAM,that made my battery last a bit longer.
ZanderZa said:
My HD is also connected 24/7 for push mail,it is normal for the battery to drain more rapidly when you are connected 24/7.I disabled HSDPA and BEAM,that made my battery last a bit longer.
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Why disable HSDPA? That's what I use mostly to grab mail....unless I'm not in an HSDPA zone.
you can easily track your battery discharge with little but awesome app BattLog 0.2.3.130 (search forum to find instalation cab)... u can save and compare logs taken with or without data connection, result which i would be interested to look at myself.
i'm also using data connection24/7 and if i do not use phone at all battery would last 1.5 to 2 days, but as soon as i start using web battery hardly can last a day.

How often do you recharge your Hero?

hi,
I would like to know how often you recharge your Hero?
With moderate to low usage I'm recharging every day and I'm thinking that autonomie on my Hero is really very bad. Before I used Polaris and I had to recharge every 2 or 3 days.
I'm thinking that maybe my phone have manufacture default. On official web page they say that autonomy on standby is 440 hours, its like 15 days, mine keeps barely 1 day, wtf!!!
Even during night when I don't use it all and put on plane mode battery loses 20%.
whitealien
i recharge everyday with mild usage. gaming - usually keep it plugged in.
with moderate usage i recharge my GSM Hero every 2-3 days. by moderate i mean, like 1h Wifi, 2h mp3, 0.5h phone usage, 1.5h online activity over 3G.
Thats about it. And even if i multiply the usage above by two, it will last two days.
During flightmode inthe night, it loses about 5-10%.
so it seems something is sucking really bad on your battery!
Cheers,
Chaos42
I would say I charge mine every 2-3 days. I'm a relatively low user but wifi is on all of the time and I use it for browsing a bit in the evenings when I don't have my PC turned on. GPS, mobile web and bluetooth is off for the most part.
My wife has the same phone and her battery life is a little shorter than mine but she has the mobile web on and uses hers a bit more then me so I would guess around 1.5-2 days.
My battery is rated at 1350mAh which I think is standard.
I have to charge it every day.
Unplug it from charger at 0700 and by 2200 it has less than 10% battery.
But I have WiFi on for over twelve hours a day, mobile web on and quite a few things updating online!
Background apps may be draining your battery
Hi whitealian,
Check the application list to see which applications are running in the background. One of them may be draining your power.
You can check the task list using Estrongs File Explorer (start the app, then menu->Task Manager). There are plenty of other task managers, of course...
In my case, I think it was ShopSavvy that was running in the BG. Once I removed it the battery performance was much better. See this post.
You can also use one of the apps that turn on/off wifi based on location. A quick market search finds "Y5 - Battery Saver". Haven't tried it myself yet!
Good luck!
mobile.dev said:
Hi whitealian,
Check the application list to see which applications are running in the background. One of them may be draining your power.
You can check the task list using Estrongs File Explorer (start the app, then menu->Task Manager). There are plenty of other task managers, of course...
In my case, I think it was ShopSavvy that was running in the BG. Once I removed it the battery performance was much better. See this post.
You can also use one of the apps that turn on/off wifi based on location. A quick market search finds "Y5 - Battery Saver". Haven't tried it myself yet!
Good luck!
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Thanks for advice. I was not using ShopSavvy, but I had doubts that either I got faulty device or some app is draining battery.
I called customer service and they advice me to put phone in safe mode and test it for awhile. It extended a little my battery life, but still recharge every day. Next step was to reset to factory default. This is what I did yesterday and now I'm at the end of second day since last charge and I still have 40% left, what seems to be normal, but still a little to early to judge that everything is good.
I still don't know from where battery drain was coming. Probably from some app.
I'm putting my bet on NewsRob - google feed reader. It was the only app that was using network in background (apart from mail and tweeter sync).
too often. mostly once a day.
but when i'm at home im ususally plugging the as adaptor in either way, because i'm afraid to have to little battery left if i leave the house without a 100% battery level. (this can happen fast if you sync a lot of rss feeds, surf the net, have an exchange server connection and gmail push and so on...)
They really need to make better batteries. They should last 2-3 days on full force usage.
Shahpur.Azizpour said:
They really need to make better batteries. They should last 2-3 days on full force usage.
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I wish it could
I think once every 2 days, but at night I have the ''phonestuff'' turned of using it as an alarm clock only. I do use the mobile internet connection all day. Tried once without that and got almost 4 days out of one charge.
I agree they have to make better battery's but I don't think the hero's that bad.
I had a diamond wich I had to charge almost twice a day when data was on...
So for me the hero's a big improvement.
I too get 2 to 3 days use out of a charge. Got rid of standard HTC Twitter client and replaced with Twidroid Pro. Only have Gmail push synchronization on.
I am pretty sure you are aware if the standard HTC SMS app battery drain issue?
Someone pointed out that HTCs SMS app constantly drains the battery, because it stopps the phone from entering standby mode. You can replace it by going into Applications menu, open "Messages", "Clear defaults" and install HandCent. As soon as a new SMS comes in, it will ask you which app you want to handle SMS messages. Choose HandCent, make it default and you are set.
Gave me a huge battery performance boost.
every day. that is the only bad issue of my hero.
I charge mine daily when I go to bed as it's usually giving me the 15% warning about 24hrs after I last charged it.
The joys of smartphones
At least once a day.
I've got a desk stand so it sit's in that for a constant juicing up, when im in the car I put it on to charge.. At work its on USB charge.. Basically I just juice it whenever I can..
I dont think theres anything wrong with yours.. they just have bad battery life.
If you think thats bad try the fossil palm powered watches.. i have to take it off every couple of hours to charge it!
Too often. Exchange, gmail, 1 additional pop3 inbox, facebook every 2hrs, twitter every 2hrs is enough for my phone to barelly hold a charge for a day. But when actually using the phone (music, calling), it doesn't hold even a day.
klaus27 said:
I am pretty sure you are aware if the standard HTC SMS app battery drain issue?
Someone pointed out that HTCs SMS app constantly drains the battery, because it stopps the phone from entering standby mode. You can replace it by going into Applications menu, open "Messages", "Clear defaults" and install HandCent. As soon as a new SMS comes in, it will ask you which app you want to handle SMS messages. Choose HandCent, make it default and you are set.
Gave me a huge battery performance boost.
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Tried it. I installed Handcent, but when I want to want to make it default, the button is greyed out. What am I doing wrong?
klaus27 said:
I am pretty sure you are aware if the standard HTC SMS app battery drain issue?
Someone pointed out that HTCs SMS app constantly drains the battery, because it stopps the phone from entering standby mode. You can replace it by going into Applications menu, open "Messages", "Clear defaults" and install HandCent. As soon as a new SMS comes in, it will ask you which app you want to handle SMS messages. Choose HandCent, make it default and you are set.
Gave me a huge battery performance boost.
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That's a US only thing though, right? The European ones don't suffer with that issue AFAIK.
...Which I'm glad about as I sometimes have to charge my hero twice a day. Data is on all the time when I'm out and I'm a pretty heavy user of it. In terms of calls perhaps an hour a day, and not a huge number of texts (more than ten would be unusual). I do use the phone to listen to music quite often too.
I think the apps in the background thing is what needs to be checked. I use a news widget and Facebook and Weather and a travel one which I think adds up to a lot of refreshes. I'm thinking about making a Sense Profile (or whatever it's called) that has nothing on the homescreens at all for times when I might want to be a bit more frugal with battery life.
I do think it's somewhat ridiculous that the phone is capable of doing so many things but that if you have it do them it withers and dies. I would've thought the way to calculate battery life would be to have the phone doing the things that people will want to do with it and work from there. It seems that battery life is calculated by turning the phone into as dormant a state as possible and then tip toeing around it trying not to disturb it.
I get by though.
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That's a US only thing though, right? The European ones don't suffer with that issue AFAIK.
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Well, I cannot confirm that. I have a European one and mine drained the battery. I searched the net and with this trick I came from ~1 day to over 2 days with moderate usage and push enabled all the time.
tombond said:
Tried it. I installed Handcent, but when I want to want to make it default, the button is greyed out. What am I doing wrong?
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Well, have you cleared the default for message application?
You probably want to google it or just read over this posts:
http://www.phonenews.com/improving-sprint-htc-hero-battery-life-9720/
My battery went even better once I configured Locale to go into airplane mode during night time and stopping sync services during work time. I don't need push when I am at work (timescal set, no GPS), because there I have all my mailboxes open and directly connected.
Some more tipps to improve battery performance.
Disable 3G - Set to "only 2G" in mobile network settings
Set display timeout to 30s or lower
Remove as many widgets from your homescreens as possible (I only have calendar)
use task killer app to check which apps are still running in the background and try to tweak their settings to not autoload or don't notify you on updates - and of course kill them
disable screen animations
uncheck WLAN for location checking
don't check your mailboxes too regular
disable vibration totally. disable haptic feedback for the keyboard as well

[study] Let's investigate somethings ! (ur battery usage in 1Hr)

Hi friends
i find out that my HD2 use 3% battery in 1Hr in standby mode (not using phone) (in GSM mode)
PLZ test ur battery usage (example leave ur phone for 2Hr and see the usage) and say result in this topic.
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i found somethings !! see Post 23.
link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5171100&postcount=23
Hmm, Why?
Hi Wizard,
What are you hoping to achieve here?
Battery usage is a complicated scenario. Even in sleep mode your device is doing things in the background e.g listening for SMS & Emails, attentive to Exchange Server requests, dealing with items in the notification queue, etc etc.
Your initial conditioning of your battery also has a part to play in its performance as has the age of it. Also data connections also play into this scenario. In addition if you are in a low signal area your phone will spend more energy hunting for e.g. data connections than if you were, say, slap bang next to a transmitter.
People telling you that in 1 hour they saw x% drain or Y% drain tells you nothing unless you know why that is.
Do you want to rethink this and come back with a more focused thread.
Hope this helps.
WB
PS: You can kill off data connectivity by using a utility called Modaco No Data. Might help you if you think your battery problems are bad (do a search).
PPs: There's a stack of threads already on here about battery usage. You might want to link into those rather than kickoff yet another thread on this?
wacky.banana said:
Hi Wizard,
What are you hoping to achieve here?
Battery usage is a complicated scenario. Even in sleep mode your device is doing things in the background e.g listening for SMS & Emails, attentive to Exchange Server requests, dealing with items in the notification queue, etc etc.
Your initial conditioning of your battery also has a part to play in its performance as has the age of it. Also data connections also play into this scenario. In addition if you are in a low signal area your phone will spend more energy hunting for e.g. data connections than if you were, say, slap bang next to a transmitter.
People telling you that in 1 hour they saw x% drain or Y% drain tells you nothing unless you know why that is.
Do you want to rethink this and come back with a more focused thread.
Hope this helps.
WB
PS: You can kill off data connectivity by using a utility called Modaco No Data. Might help you if you think your battery problems are bad (do a search).
PPs: There's a stack of threads already on here about battery usage. You might want to link into those rather than kickoff yet another thread on this?
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what an angry !
sorry man
Btw its vice versa here. My battery drops about 1% in 3h (or 4% in 12h exactly). If u have bad coverage than its annoying but normal that it drops that fast in standby.
Remember that the battery meter is not designed and is not accurate enouch to measure 1 and 2% of battery use.
If they where, then ALL batteries need to have the exact same discharge cycle. This is not possible.
So 3% one hour, and 1% next hour could just as well be a result from the battery meter calibration.
The battery meter have only two references. Full and empty. All values in between are guestimates
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what an angry !
sorry man
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Don't take this too hard buddy
He's right about there being other threads focused on these issues and it's always best to first take a look and see if one exists before starting one. I say this coz I see this is one your first posts and you're probably not familiar with the rules.
As for battery life, yes as WB said there can be too many reasons why your battery drains this much. The most important of which are background data connections, updates, etc. So try using the "No Data" program and see if you get any improvement
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Remember that the battery meter is not designed and is not accurate enouch to measure 1 and 2% of battery use.
If they where, then ALL batteries need to have the exact same discharge cycle. This is not possible.
So 3% one hour, and 1% next hour could just as well be a result from the battery meter calibration.
The battery meter have only two references. Full and empty. All values in between are guestimates
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i test it in 6Hr (19% usage at 6 Hr)
i test it 3 times.
19/6=~3%
mightymn said:
Don't take this too hard buddy
He's right about there being other threads focused on these issues and it's always best to first take a look and see if one exists before starting one. I say this coz I see this is one your first posts and you're probably not familiar with the rules.
As for battery life, yes as WB said there can be too many reasons why your battery drains this much. The most important of which are background data connections, updates, etc. So try using the "No Data" program and see if you get any improvement
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all u say, was off (no update, no conection and ...)
when i use the phone battery usage is reasonable and acceptable. but in standby mode, this usage that i have, is much
Wizard,
I guess English is not your first language otherwise you would have recognised I was not putting you down. I was doing my best to be helpful.
I still think your starting point should be to install the application Modaco No Data, run it before you go to bed and see what happens.
There are just so many variable in battery usage, which is what I was trying to tell you.
WB
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Wizard,
I guess English is not your first language otherwise you would have recognised I was not putting you down. I was doing my best to be helpful.
I still think your starting point should be to install the application Modaco No Data, run it before you go to bed and see what happens.
There are just so many variable in battery usage, which is what I was trying to tell you.
WB
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Tnx
yes, english is not my first language (it is my 3rd language)
i'll test it
11% on 3g with data connection on durring 9 hours
4% on edge with data connection off durring same 9 hours
Even though this is at some point so irelevant because battery usage is determined by so many other factors, wacky has a strong point here
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11% on 3g with data connection on durring 9 hours
4% on edge with data connection off durring same 9 hours
Even though this is at some point so irelevant because battery usage is determined by so many other factors, wacky has a strong point here
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i do a hard reset, i dont instal any thing, on EDGE, no gprs conection, and ... >> i have 18-19% usage in 6Hr. it's sooooooo much!!
i had same problem with HTC Diamond.
I also, when having no data connections on, regardless of GSM/3G, have a usage of 3% during ~8h (when I sleep).
i install "battery log" and monitor battery usage.
when phone is in use, show 160~200 ma. and when phone is standby, 6~12 ma.
i think its natural and good and acceptable. but why in practice, use so much battery ? ur usage is 3% in 8Hr but my usage is 3% in 1Hr !!!!!!
my phone use battery in other place except windows ?! lol my phone has seepage !
Wizard,
If you are absolutely sure you have all data connections switched off via the Modaco utility AND all Wifi, Bluetooth and Beam connections killed off ( for good measure you could also switch your radio off, ie the telephone, not the FM radio) and you still think battery usage is on the high side then there are a number of things you should consider:
1) You have a battery that was not conditioned properly and therefore is not discharging correctly
2) You have a dodgy battery which you need to change
3) You have a faulty device
4) You have both a faulty device and a dodgy battery.
For no's 3 & 4 I would suggest you send the device back under warranty or ask for an exchange. You know what to do with 1 & 2.
WB
wacky.banana said:
Wizard,
If you are absolutely sure you have all data connections switched off via the Modaco utility AND all Wifi, Bluetooth and Beam connections killed off ( for good measure you could also switch your radio off, ie the telephone, not the FM radio) and you still think battery usage is on the high side then there are a number of things you should consider:
1) You have a battery that was not conditioned properly and therefore is not discharging correctly
2) You have a dodgy battery which you need to change
3) You have a faulty device
4) You have both a faulty device and a dodgy battery.
For no's 3 & 4 I would suggest you send the device back under warranty or ask for an exchange. You know what to do with 1 & 2.
WB
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TnX my friend
now i have changed simcard and insert another simcard from another operator . (10 min ago)
maybe
you have the rare case of phone sleep walking
(sorry for my bad english)
I also have this problem. In plane mode (gsm off), with all data connection off, my battery have a usage of 11% during ~8h (when I sleep).
It's french SFR rom.
Mine's set to UMTS (3g) without having data connections/wifi/bluetooth turned on - it loses 2-3% each 4-5 hours (standby only).
snowblindd said:
11% on 3g with data connection on durring 9 hours
4% on edge with data connection off durring same 9 hours
Even though this is at some point so irelevant because battery usage is determined by so many other factors, wacky has a strong point here
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umiss said:
I also, when having no data connections on, regardless of GSM/3G, have a usage of 3% during ~8h (when I sleep).
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Fatherboard said:
Mine's set to UMTS (3g) without having data connections/wifi/bluetooth turned on - it loses 2-3% each 4-5 hours (standby only).
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which rom U use ?? (my rom is 1.43) (and i'm waiting for 1.61 official rom ) (without goldcard!)

Attention!!!!!! Everyone with battery life issues please read this!

I think I finally found the solution to lousy battery performance on Android phones in general!
If you are using Spare Parts -or any other battery monitor app- and noticed a near 100% of awake time then,
it's as simple as that:
Go to menu, choose Settings->Applications->Development
and make sure that Stay Awake (second option) is NOT checked.
If it is checked the phone never sleeps while charging, but unfortunately, due to an android bug I guess, won't return to his regular sleep schedule after disconnecting from the charger.
Please try this and let me know! It worked for me!
My_Immortal said:
I think I finally found the solution to lousy battery performance on Android phones in general!
It's as simple as that:
Go to menu, choose Settings->Applications->Development
and make sure that Stay Awake (second option) is NOT checked.
If it is checked the phone never sleeps while charging, but unfortunately, due to an android bug I guess, won't return to his regular sleep schedule after disconnecting from the charger.
Please try this and let me know! It worked for me!
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mine wasn't checked, still get pretty crappy battery life. Thanks though
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mine wasn't checked, still get pretty crappy battery life. Thanks though
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Do you have Spare Parts installed?
If yes, then you can see what exactly is using your battery.
My solution applies to those who constantly have near 100% awake time.
I hope you find your culprit soon!
Timescape is the culprit.
Force close it and remove it from your home screen and watch your battery life double.
Well i'm having the 100%, so i will defenitely give it a shot. Thank you.
augie7107 said:
Timescape is the culprit.
Force close it and remove it from your home screen and watch your battery life double.
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You speak my words absolutely right Timescape is the Main Battery sucker and nothing else. I removed it Days ago including of closing the Process in Taskmanager. my battery Life got up from 7 Hours to 16 Hours. Nothing else had effect for me even changing the Launcher to Helix or whatever.
Timescape / Mediascape is what sucks the X10 down.
No timescape on my homescreen and stay awake is not checked...still batterylife is lousy
Its fine when its not being used but as soon as i start using apps or use the phone in general, the battery drains fast.....
I reset the phone after unplugging it in the morning after a full charge, and my battery lasts a good 18 hours. Thats with Wifi on 75% of the time and 3g always on.
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I reset the phone after unplugging it in the morning after a full charge, and my battery lasts a good 18 hours. Thats with Wifi on 75% of the time and 3g always on.
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Wow....thats great...how did you manage that?
could you guide me through what settings you use please
cause with wifi on ....i get like half a day!
3 to 4 days with wi-fi off,3g off and gps on......................
don't twit or face though.
After being fed up with barely making it throughout the day, I decided to perform the following experiment:
1) wiped the phone clean (factory reset);
2) did NOT configure my google account with the phone to avoid needless sync with google as well as all those processes running in background no matter data connection available or not;
3) disabled data (as that line I am testing the X10 on has no data plan on it);
4) switched off location services; removed every single widget from the home screens;
5) installed HelixLauncherDONUT and left default widgets + added SE's digital clock;
6) installed startup auditor to prevent stuff like timescape from starting
7) contacts/settings/show status updates changed from all to none
Now after 24 hours and 45 minutes since unplugged phone has 88% battery left!!! There was no usage beside me checking stats every few hours. Phone is set to 3G, so switching to 2G may yield even better results.
Before this test I have done exactly the same test with the only difference of Google account being enabled on the phone (with sync disabled). No matter there was no data connection at all, phone went thru 20% of battery in just 6 hours with same usage pattern - 'no usage, just standby and checking every now and then the status of battery'. Not bad as with normal use of the phone I was been able to make it thru the day without shutting down due to battery empty.
Bottomline, I blame Google services for the excessive battery drainage in this phone. It is 1.6 'Donut' with its outdated google services 'at fault' IMO.
Hopefully with the planned Eclair update (lets hope Froyo too!) this situation will be addressed, at least to a certain degree.
Cheers!
leobg said:
After being fed up with barely making it throughout the day, I decided to perform the following experiment:
1) wiped the phone clean (factory reset);
2) did NOT configure my google account with the phone to avoid needless sync with google as well as all those processes running in background no matter data connection available or not;
3) disabled data (as that line I am testing the X10 on has no data plan on it);
4) switched off location services; removed every single widget from the home screens;
5) installed HelixLauncherDONUT and left default widgets + added SE's digital clock;
6) installed startup auditor to prevent stuff like timescape from starting
7) contacts/settings/show status updates changed from all to none
Now after 24 hours and 45 minutes since unplugged phone has 88% battery left!!! There was no usage beside me checking stats every few hours. Phone is set to 3G, so switching to 2G may yield even better results.
Before this test I have done exactly the same test with the only difference of Google account being enabled on the phone (with sync disabled). No matter there was no data connection at all, phone went thru 20% of battery in just 6 hours with same usage pattern - 'no usage, just standby and checking every now and then the status of battery'. Not bad as with normal use of the phone I was been able to make it thru the day without shutting down due to battery empty.
Bottomline, I blame Google services for the excessive battery drainage in this phone. It is 1.6 'Donut' with its outdated google services 'at fault' IMO.
Hopefully with the planned Eclair update (lets hope Froyo too!) this situation will be addressed, at least to a certain degree.
Cheers!
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thanks for your info,
if i disable that many things, then i'd use my old Motorola v3.
henh said:
thanks for your info,
if i disable that many things, then i'd use my old Motorola v3.
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Don't get me wrong. The experiment I've done is a "proof of concept" sort of - I am trying to figure out what is wrong with the battery usage in this phone.
If we look from your point of view, just to have the phone on standby and not using it, not Motorola V3, but a toy phone from the dollar store would suffice.
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Don't get me wrong. The experiment I've done is a "proof of concept" sort of - I am trying to figure out what is wrong with the battery usage in this phone.
If we look from your point of view, just to have the phone on standby and not using it, not Motorola V3, but a toy phone from the dollar store would suffice.
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oh, i know. i just upset with SE, we're here to find some solutions
it's so sad that we buy the phone for the look & the features, too bad that SE did a very bad job. now we have to wait for months to get an update from them, & still don't know it'll fix all the issues???
What I've found out is that most battery drain comes from apps. Install an app that monitors cpu time per app and cpu speed and load. Shortly after I got the phone I was about ready to throw it from a bridge or something because of the horrible battery performance. However, one day I noticed that the cpu was running at ~1GHz most of the time even though it's supposed to throttle down and match speed to need. I found out that one app had ALOT more cpu time that all other apps/services (a widget from DMI, the Danish weather service, in case you care). Once uninstalled, my phone could go through half a day with both 3G and Wifi enable and not even drop below 90% battery capacity - although only mild usage because I was working. Before, the battery went from 100% to like 60% during a night with 6-7hrs of sleep.
Finding out how to improve battery usage has definitely made me like the phone alot more, but I still wish HTC had made the software for it.
Regards - Martin
I get a good full day with my x10. I use Timescape but set the update option to NEVER so it only updates by tapping on timescape tile; i also turn of wi-fi when not in range of my home wi-fi, bt off, gps off (unless needed for maps).
I also trained the battery. Let power off by itself and charging full 4 or 5 times.
as for the google thing id suggest going into settings then data synchronization.. click google and uncheck background data.. it even tells you it will save battery and lower data usage.. whenever you use market though it will ask you to enable it in order to use it.
hope it helps!!
leobg said:
After being fed up with barely making it throughout the day, I decided to perform the following experiment:
1) wiped the phone clean (factory reset);
2) did NOT configure my google account with the phone to avoid needless sync with google as well as all those processes running in background no matter data connection available or not;
3) disabled data (as that line I am testing the X10 on has no data plan on it);
4) switched off location services; removed every single widget from the home screens;
5) installed HelixLauncherDONUT and left default widgets + added SE's digital clock;
6) installed startup auditor to prevent stuff like timescape from starting
7) contacts/settings/show status updates changed from all to none
Now after 24 hours and 45 minutes since unplugged phone has 88% battery left!!! There was no usage beside me checking stats every few hours. Phone is set to 3G, so switching to 2G may yield even better results.
Before this test I have done exactly the same test with the only difference of Google account being enabled on the phone (with sync disabled). No matter there was no data connection at all, phone went thru 20% of battery in just 6 hours with same usage pattern - 'no usage, just standby and checking every now and then the status of battery'. Not bad as with normal use of the phone I was been able to make it thru the day without shutting down due to battery empty.
Bottomline, I blame Google services for the excessive battery drainage in this phone. It is 1.6 'Donut' with its outdated google services 'at fault' IMO.
Hopefully with the planned Eclair update (lets hope Froyo too!) this situation will be addressed, at least to a certain degree.
Cheers!
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To follow up on my test - 7 days, 18 hours with 3% battery left. Here is a quick video I made: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lt2YjrREgxg
for me i use Launcher Donut
and disable data and mms
settings > wireless controls > Mobile network settings > MMS & DATA
try it and tell me how much u will reach in the same daily using average
Removing Timescape & Mediascape totally from the home screens.
and disabling Data Sync>Gmail
battery life is showing huge improvement.

Juice Defender and Battery enhancing applications

Any positive reviews with Juice Defender ? I had it on my phone and used it on the extreme settings but didn't notice any difference even though it say it has improved my battery life by 1.68 times.
How do you make it really work ? Any tweaks and suggestions are welcome.
PS: Are there are more battery boosting applications out there that enhance the battery life ?
mjehan said:
Any positive reviews with Juice Defender ? I had it on my phone and used it on the extreme settings but didn't notice any difference even though it say it has improved my battery life by 1.68 times.
How do you make it really work ? Any tweaks and suggestions are welcome.
PS: Are there are more battery boosting applications out there that enhance the battery life ?
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Is there any battery life boosting app that works?
I don't believe all the hype.. It runs in the background, so the apps itself is a battery drainer..
Sorry, but for me, lowering brightness, turning off 3g and mobile network when unused and also turning off haptic feedback helps increasing my battery's charge..
Of course these apps work. They turn off all radios when the screen is off, so, of course, they save battery.
Have you used this baby with radios enabled and the screen off? It gushes battery. With Juicedefender it looses very little battery when you're not using it (I should point out that the app will occasionally switch on the radio to get updates).
I recommend that you let JD manage your data and wi fi connections. It will intelligently use the radio that best saves battery. After some training, its like magic (it trains itself).
I've used several battery savers and I like Juicedefender best. It permits you to actually use the phone without disabling every damn facility and still get a day of use out of it.
Tried it once but use Green Power Battery Saver now, much prefer the easier UI
If rooted, along with LeeDrOiD 1.5.0 my battery life is amazing
bobbyelliott said:
Of course these apps work. They turn off all radios when the screen is off, so, of course, they save battery.
Have you used this baby with radios enabled and the screen off? It gushes battery. With Juicedefender it looses very little battery when you're not using it (I should point out that the app will occasionally switch on the radio to get updates).
I recommend that you let JD manage your data and wi fi connections. It will intelligently use the radio that best saves battery. After some training, its like magic (it trains itself).
I've used several battery savers and I like Juicedefender best. It permits you to actually use the phone without disabling every damn facility and still get a day of use out of it.
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I turn off wifi when I'm not using it, but 3g is too much hassle and I suppose I do struggle to get much more than 24 hours out of a single charge but gushing battery?
bobbyelliott said:
Of course these apps work. They turn off all radios when the screen is off, so, of course, they save battery.
Have you used this baby with radios enabled and the screen off? It gushes battery. With Juicedefender it looses very little battery when you're not using it (I should point out that the app will occasionally switch on the radio to get updates).
I recommend that you let JD manage your data and wi fi connections. It will intelligently use the radio that best saves battery. After some training, its like magic (it trains itself).
I've used several battery savers and I like Juicedefender best. It permits you to actually use the phone without disabling every damn facility and still get a day of use out of it.
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I think the phone does this without the help of additional apps. I'm losing only 1% per hour on standby with 3g enabled and auto sync. I did nothing special to the phone and I have no "battery saving" app. Does it, practically anyway, get any better?
Cheers from my DHD.
junta_mpb said:
I'm losing only 1% per hour on standby with 3g enabled and auto sync.
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You get 100 hours out of this phone with 3G enabled and auto-syncing Facebook, Twitter, etc? You must have got one out of that batch of super-phones that HTC accidentally produced.
bobbyelliott said:
You get 100 hours out of this phone with 3G enabled and auto-syncing Facebook, Twitter, etc? You must have got one out of that batch of super-phones that HTC accidentally produced.
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Lol
I'm trying green power at the mo.
What settings do you use for green power?
Mine settings:
Managing wifi and mobile network
checking traffic (0,1kB/s)
Starting at boot
Day Mode:
07:00 - 22:00
On 10min - Off 10min
On if power ON
On if screen unlocked
Night mode:
22:00-07:00
On 1min-Off 8h
On if power ON
On if screen unlocked
I don't see the need to use stuff like this. I unplugged mine this morning and I still have 85% left with some moderate use with Facebook on push, weather and e-mail on 1 hour and others on once a day or update when opened.
I should point out I am using the Cingular radio and Android Revolution HD 2.0.9 but even when I was on stock I didn't have a terrible drain unless I had HTC Sense syncing away to itself. That seems to be the key issue.
mngmng said:
What settings do you use for green power?
Mine settings:
Managing wifi and mobile network
checking traffic (0,1kB/s)
Starting at boot
Day Mode:
07:00 - 22:00
On 10min - Off 10min
On if power ON
On if screen unlocked
Night mode:
22:00-07:00
On 1min-Off 8h
On if power ON
On if screen unlocked
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Managing wifi and mobile network
checking traffic (0,1kB/s)
Starting at boot
Day Mode:
6:30 - 02:00
On 1min - Off 10min
On if power ON
On if screen unlocked
Night mode:
02:00-06:30
On 1min-Off 1h
On if power ON
On if screen unlocked
I'm using the premium one though so there is a few extra settings. It definitely works though.
bobbyelliott said:
You get 100 hours out of this phone with 3G enabled and auto-syncing Facebook, Twitter, etc? You must have got one out of that batch of super-phones that HTC accidentally produced.
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You may be missing the "on standby" part of my post that refers to the one made by another poster. The point is, I think the phone already disabled unneeded functions without the need for an app. My phone doesn't have unbelievable battery life, but it doesn't suck either.
Anyways, I think "battery saving" apps just end up using more power.
Cheers from my DHD.
I have dissconnected phone from computer on Sunday 7 pm. Started Juice defender. About three hours of reading comics, about 30 minutes phone calls, email few times a day and some internet/market (about 1/1.5 hours) and on Tuesday, 2 pm, I still have 34% battery. There was some music playing for about an hour and video clips for same time. Great result in my opinion. I think Juice defender works great. At least very good.
JD is alright, its not stellar but it does help (for me and my settings and usage). It will help a lot better if you purchase Ultimate Juice, that's when it starts to be interesting but that's the thing, you'd have to purchase it before you discover if its the best solution for you.
I don't think there's one app that will universally make our battery life better. The apps will help if you could make its functions play well with your settings and style of usage. Short of saying that if you find an app that will enhance your battery saving habits and capitalize on the opportunities that your phone can save power, then that'll be the best option for you...
JD is alright, UJ makes it a lot better...
It looks like it is better solution then buying extra bettery. Good job. I am gonna try it for some more time and if the effect will be the same I will get the UJ. Thanks.
junta_mpb said:
You may be missing the "on standby" part of my post
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No, I didn't miss that part. This phone does not drain at 1% per hour with 3G and syncing enabled - in standby or not in standby. It just doesn't. And there are newbies reading this forum who might believe your figures.
bobbyelliott said:
No, I didn't miss that part. This phone does not drain at 1% per hour with 3G and syncing enabled - in standby or not in standby. It just doesn't. And there are newbies reading this forum who might believe your figures.
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It does. I sleep for 8 hours, I lose 8%. I think its supports the argument that the phone only uses resources when needed. Since it doesnt sync the entire time and only when its scheduled to, I dont see this is as an impossible figure.
Lets try to remember the context comments are presented in this thread.
Android Assistant 2.2
Hi all, I would like just let you know, I tried a lot of apps for improving battery life, incl. Juice defender, and I must say the best one I tried is Android Assistant 2.2 build 15, after few settings I can say is really the best : full auto sync on gmail + company mail + weather, screen on 10%, screen off after 30s, gsm only, mobile data always-on, playing tank hero and few more games couple times a day, phone calls 30 - 45 minutes per day, 10 - 15 text per day, GTalk always on - and using quite a lot, wifi is on from 7.00 pm till 12.00 am, vibration always on, and result Full 2 days without any problems and overnight no any limitations, if I am using limitations overnight and not playing so much, and no wifi, battery will make easy 3 full days...
m7svk said:
Hi all, I would like just let you know, I tried a lot of apps for improving battery life, incl. Juice defender, and I must say the best one I tried is Android Assistant 2.2 build 15, after few settings I can say is really the best : full auto sync on gmail + company mail + weather, screen on 10%, screen off after 30s, gsm only, mobile data always-on, playing tank hero and few more games couple times a day, phone calls 30 - 45 minutes per day, 10 - 15 text per day, GTalk always on - and using quite a lot, wifi is on from 7.00 pm till 12.00 am, vibration always on, and result Full 2 days without any problems and overnight no any limitations, if I am using limitations overnight and not playing so much, and no wifi, battery will make easy 3 full days...
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Sorry but I can't find it on the market. Is the app's name correct?
mngmng said:
Sorry but I can't find it on the market. Is the app's name correct?
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Original name is "Android assistant(12 features)", by Aaron, he done already few apps for improving battery life, very good app incl cache cleaner and few more extras.

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