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Yesterday arrived my dev phone 1 and I am very hapy with it bu battery level is at 20% at 18:00. Is this normal?. I dont want to switch the band to 2g. I keep gmail synched with direct push but google talk not. anyone with same prpoblem?
Thanks
yeah, the standard battery in the G1 is ****ing terrible
not a lot you can do except buying an extended battery (which is a very good idea! )
The only thing I have found to extend my battery Life has been discussed previously a few times on these boards...
1. Turn off Wifi, when not in use. (Toggle WiFi from the Market is Great)
2. Turn off GPS, when not in use. (Toggle GPS from the Market also great)
3. Turn down the screen brightness.
4. (not sure if this makes a big difference) But sometimes if I do not need my feeds or background running apps throughout the day I will restart my phone, or run through a few applications that are not pulling web cache. This way you dont have auto update feedreaders in the background running. It seems like it works for me, but that could very well be wishful thinking. Also turning of things like Twitroid update etc...
Hope that helps.
recasper said:
The only thing I have found to extend my battery Life has been discussed previously a few times on these boards...
1. Turn off Wifi, when not in use. (Toggle WiFi from the Market is Great)
2. Turn off GPS, when not in use. (Toggle GPS from the Market also great)
3. Turn down the screen brightness.
4. (not sure if this makes a big difference) But sometimes if I do not need my feeds or background running apps throughout the day I will restart my phone, or run through a few applications that are not pulling web cache. This way you dont have auto update feedreaders in the background running. It seems like it works for me, but that could very well be wishful thinking. Also turning of things like Twitroid update etc...
Hope that helps.
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i do #4 as well, it seems to help, since i have root i just go into terminal and type su [enter] reboot [enter] and when it turns back on its usually doing bettery with the battery
as for opening programs, would advanced task manager serve the same purpose (closing apps that arnt needed and using memory, because if its using memory isnt it in some way using battery power?)
Thanks.
I am porting CommMgrPro to Android (Similar to Locale but much more powerfull). In this way I will switch to 2G, turn Wifi off, disable connections, etc, etc, etc automatically depending on my location/weekday/hour.
Greetings
Dani
Hi All
I have a brand new G1 and, like you, I was suprised by the short battery life.
I also thought about selling the phone but apart from that problem I like it very much.
I noticed that the permanent 3g wireless connection was the real draining battery application.
So the solution I found now is: to disable the permanent connection. I downloaded APNdroid application from the market and I use it everytime I need to toggle connection on and off.
I also tried to leave the WIFI on and i saw that it does not consume much battery.
I did not tried with the GPS.
I am using a good tool to toggle and to fine check the battery level: Useful switchers
I can now say I am pretty satisfied with the phone.
Greeting
Lollo
lollonet said:
Hi All
I have a brand new G1 and, like you, I was suprised by the short battery life.
I also thought about selling the phone but apart from that problem I like it very much.
I noticed that the permanent 3g wireless connection was the real draining battery application.
So the solution I found now is: to disable the permanent connection. I downloaded APNdroid application from the market and I use it everytime I need to toggle connection on and off.
I also tried to leave the WIFI on and i saw that it does not consume much battery.
I did not tried with the GPS.
I am using a good tool to toggle and to fine check the battery level: Useful switchers
I can now say I am pretty satisfied with the phone.
Greeting
Lollo
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Yes. It was the same problem there was in HTC Hermes/TyNT and TouchPro/Diamond. I created bandswitch in the past and will create two little toggles to switch 3g/2g with and without time limit....
Conditioning
Try Conditioning the Battery...
I have gps on, 2g, brightness at 50% and screen timeout at 30 secs, everything syncing and I get around 5 or 6 hours of use...just like the company says I should.
Run your battery completely dead...
Charge your phone for around 8-12 hours...
Repeat for about 6 days...
You should see improved battery life.
I have 3g, wifi, bluetooth, brightness at 50% and screen timeout at 30 secs, everything syncing with 1-2 hours of music/video with 30 SMS, about 20 mins of calls......I am now getting about 8hrs on the new ones from HTC (the 04).
Interesting Battery
Well now that I have had a week of use I have noticed that the (old) "02" batteries would last about 4-5hrs and go until 1% before turning off, with a slow count down. The (new) "04" batteries stay at a high number (about 6-7hrs) until they get to 15% and within a few mins turn-off....as I recall I saw postings of 'quick' count downs, so I wonder if you either get a slow drain down with about 4hrs of use OR about 6 hrs of use with the last 15% a very quick shutdown....I'll keep monitoring these new HTC batteries to see if it was just one of those "weekend" things or if this is the trade off...was caught off guard as I had been getting 30 mins or so when I had 15% left and the G1 would stay on until 1%..."teach an old dog new tricks".....
I know, I know, the following question has been answered oh so many times, but that exactly is my problem!!!
Does an idle data connection actually drain the battery faster or not? I've searched the whole forums (not just x1) and really read a lot of threads... There are people who say "yes, it does" and the opponents. I've also come across a blog-entry on MSDN where it says it doesn't.
So, which one shall it be?!
I'm pulling Mails every 60 minutes, all other data-settings are set to manually. I'm asking this because of my post in Itje's Touch-IT v.10 thread. ("auto-disconnect after..." makes a phone call end a data connection on 3g)
Best regards,
Cal
I believe it DOES drain more. Why don't you try?
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I believe it DOES drain more. Why don't you try?
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Of course I will try. (especially if there's no definitive answer) But that would also mean I shouldn't play with my phone for a day - come on, seriously?
Nah, I'll see over night, post it here and then there's at least one specific thread on this from 2009. Thought i'd might ask anyway.
For me, it does NOT drain the battery more. What kills the battery for me is having IMAP IDLE enabled, which will definitely drain the battery, as it is actively using the connection, passing data. If the data connection is enabled and on, then it won't use more juice until it actually starts transmitting data. You'll want to check if any applications you have open (or running in the background) are set to "Auto Update" after a certain amount of minutes (e.g. RSS readers, Twitter apps, etc.)
See? Two answers - two statements. *lol*
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For me, it does NOT drain the battery more. What kills the battery for me is having IMAP IDLE enabled, which will definitely drain the battery, as it is actively using the connection, passing data.
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imap idle? are you using a different mail client or did i miss that in pocket outlook? Oo
Nevermind. Found it, Email Scheduler and Imap Pusher - reading into it now... ^^
scar45 said:
If the data connection is enabled and on, then it won't use more juice until it actually starts transmitting data. You'll want to check if any applications you have open (or running in the background) are set to "Auto Update" after a certain amount of minutes (e.g. RSS readers, Twitter apps, etc.)
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nope, no apps, no automatic updates (that i know of. pretty sure i disabled them all. no suspicious process in task manager as well.) except mail-pull every hour. so, i'll see tomorrow morning what my phone has to say about it.
I really think it drains the battery!
I noticed in past 2-3 weeks that my battery drains faster than before. I thought that probably it dies because i charge it every time i can: at home, in the car; I talk and use the phone a lot. I also noticed in past days that I got two "E" icons (edge) in taskbar instead of regular big "E" and antenna.
I got to conclusion that data connection drains battery faster, because i set up regular email check just recently.
The only way I found to disconnect data connection is going to Start-Settings-Connections-Comm Manager-Menu-Disconnect Cellular Data.
Can anyone provide a tip how to make it disconnect automatically after the program that required it was closed?
not after closing the program, but after a certain amount of time... there are some possible ways:
- use "bandswitch" (not free)
- use "advanced config" (free) - more settings -> connections
- with a reg editor add these keys
- ...
i'm sure you'll find many other apps to do it if you search for them on xda. these above are just the 3 ways i tried myself since i've got my phone.
okay, i lost 7% in 10 hours - so i guess an idle data connection DOES NOT drain the battery. at least for me that is.
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okay, i lost 7% in 10 hours - so i guess an idle data connection DOES NOT drain the battery. at least for me that is.
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With the data connection constantly on and mailcheck every hour?
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With the data connection constantly on and mailcheck every hour?
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Exactly.
- polling evey 60 minutes
- data constantly on
- gprs connection (no edge on my new carrier )
- 3 of 4 bars reception
- standby mode (phone doesn't wake up at new mail)
- cpu set at 122 mhz in standby with clock speed
but i'll have to see how it does in the next few days... and i'll give outlook email scheduler a try, for it's imap idle support. pretty sure this would increase battery drain.
And what do you guys think,
Is beeing on a hsdpa network without data connection but using the X1 drains more energy than the same circumstances but disabled hsdpa(only gprs but still not connected)?
And whats the situation when the phone is off with the both network type?
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- cpu set at 122 mhz in standby with clock speed
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With what program can you do that?
can someone tell me how to improve the battery life through the options since i am new...
disable vibration at touch flo
disable auto rotation
enable auto bright
In notifications, disable the sounds and the screen coming on for Reminders etc
Make sure you Close (not minimise) apps before putting your phone on standby
Don't use push web/ auto weather update auto rss etc
set phone to 'lock' phone when you switch it off (search other threads)
These should help stop your phone from doing 'stuff' when you put it in standby (or put it in your pocket) and using up battery when you just want it on standby.
and the best thing to do is, stay with stock rom :-D
cottonpickers said:
In notifications, disable the sounds and the screen coming on for Reminders etc
Make sure you Close (not minimise) apps before putting your phone on standby
Don't use push web/ auto weather update auto rss etc
set phone to 'lock' phone when you switch it off (search other threads)
These should help stop your phone from doing 'stuff' when you put it in standby (or put it in your pocket) and using up battery when you just want it on standby.
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Using S2U2 helps with all this which is both pretty and useful as a locking app.
Tony
The best thing to do is switch off data connections, but the kind of defeats the object of a PDA.
Best to grin and bear it, as ROMs and Radio improve, I've found it gets better, still crap, but better than it is now.
On the Diamond if you went into phone settings and used GSM instead of auto it gave a nice boost to battery life. Something to do with constantly searching for HSDPA I think.
Lol Chippa, That didn't work to improve the battery... But it did give me 3 more bars of reception xD Lol, PROXIMUS LIED ) I contacted them on the matter of bad reception, And they said I should have excellent reception... apparently, their 3G network isn't that good yet x)
Then perhaps, the radio on the TD2 isn't as bad as I thought
Hi
The best thing to do is switch off data connections, but the kind of defeats the object of a PDA.
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I think this is an urban myth now. A mobile data connection doesn't use any more power when idle. You maintain a data connection all the time with the mast, that is how your phone works to receive text messages and phone calls. A data connection on the phone is just the same thing with the added extra of your phone having a valid IP address on the network.
It will use less power to keep the IP address continually rather than have it connect and get a new one each time as obtaining an IP address uses power.
You can test yourself with any application that shows mA of the battery and it isn't any more for having a data connection on, unless of course you have an application actively using the connection.
Regards
Phil
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Hi
I think this is an urban myth now. A mobile data connection doesn't use any more power when idle. You maintain a data connection all the time with the mast, that is how your phone works to receive text messages and phone calls. A data connection on the phone is just the same thing with the added extra of your phone having a valid IP address on the network.
It will use less power to keep the IP address continually rather than have it connect and get a new one each time as obtaining an IP address uses power.
You can test yourself with any application that shows mA of the battery and it isn't any more for having a data connection on, unless of course you have an application actively using the connection.
Regards
Phil
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I think the problem is for those of us with poor 3G reception. Continually reconnecting to the 3G network increases consumption. I'm no expert so I cannot state this is categorically true.
Tony
in advanced config power management enable all.
I am disconnecting GPRS/3G when turning the device off and I do believe that I have a quite better batter life...
Hi
in advanced config power management enable all.
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I'd advise against this. HTC are not stupid and they will be disabled for a reason. The drivers are either ignoring these settings or the power savings are very insignificant or it means more power is used.
Powering down these things also costs power to bring them back up, which means it can use more power sleeping and re-awaking devices than it does to just keep them on. This is why SmartPhones (non touch screen) don't sleep like Windows Mobile PDAs, they just turn the screen off but the CPU is still on responding and programs are still running and awake. Historically Windows Mobile PDAs were not mobile phones, they were just PDAs, so it made sense to make them sleep where the CPU shuts down completely and no programs run, basically like a computer hibernating. This still happens today but isn't ideal now as PDAs are constantly having to turn on to receive text messages or phone calls or retrieve email etc, and each time the phone has to leave standby it uses power to initiate all the drivers, so you end up expanding more power transferring between power states than you save. Microsoft will move to the 'always on' modal like SmartPhones probably with Windows Mobile 7.
Why the long explanation, well HTC may be deliberately not using power management as they are moving parts of their phones to be always on, and trying to enable these things may cause instability or for the phone to use more power.
Using a program to measure mAmp draw on the Topaz there was no difference in power consumption between having power management enabled or disabled, so my opinion, leave it as it is.
Regards
Phil
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Hi
I'd advise against this. HTC are not stupid and they will be disabled for a reason. The drivers are either ignoring these settings or the power savings are very insignificant or it means more power is used.
Powering down these things also costs power to bring them back up, which means it can use more power sleeping and re-awaking devices than it does to just keep them on. This is why SmartPhones (non touch screen) don't sleep like Windows Mobile PDAs, they just turn the screen off but the CPU is still on responding and programs are still running and awake. Historically Windows Mobile PDAs were not mobile phones, they were just PDAs, so it made sense to make them sleep where the CPU shuts down completely and no programs run, basically like a computer hibernating. This still happens today but isn't ideal now as PDAs are constantly having to turn on to receive text messages or phone calls or retrieve email etc, and each time the phone has to leave standby it uses power to initiate all the drivers, so you end up expanding more power transferring between power states than you save. Microsoft will move to the 'always on' modal like SmartPhones probably with Windows Mobile 7.
Why the long explanation, well HTC may be deliberately not using power management as they are moving parts of their phones to be always on, and trying to enable these things may cause instability or for the phone to use more power.
Using a program to measure mAmp draw on the Topaz there was no difference in power consumption between having power management enabled or disabled, so my opinion, leave it as it is.
Regards
Phil
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Hi Phil,
Theoretically you right, but i don't agree with everything.
There are other tweaks that definitely improving performance but still, HTC did not set it, so probably they have their reasons...
I used this tweak more than year on several devices & many roms and did not see any stability or other issues.
About powering on versus idle,
If it takes more power to turn on than keep idle (i'm not sure thats so but lets assume) then it must depend on how long its idle - there must be a time frame from where it do saves power.
The only question is if its actually doing what it supposed to do or not...
PhilipL said:
Hi
I think this is an urban myth now. A mobile data connection doesn't use any more power when idle. You maintain a data connection all the time with the mast, that is how your phone works to receive text messages and phone calls. A data connection on the phone is just the same thing with the added extra of your phone having a valid IP address on the network.
It will use less power to keep the IP address continually rather than have it connect and get a new one each time as obtaining an IP address uses power.
You can test yourself with any application that shows mA of the battery and it isn't any more for having a data connection on, unless of course you have an application actively using the connection.
Regards
Phil
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Dude do a simple 1 day test with data on, then data off, then lets compare notes
Hi
About powering on versus idle,
If it takes more power to turn on than keep idle (i'm not sure thats so but lets assume) then it must depend on how long its idle - there must be a time frame from where it do saves power.
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Info on the subject here http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2005/08/01/446240.aspx
Like I say I've tested the current draw and saw no difference enabling the power management options, so I think better to leave alone, at best the settings are ignored by the drivers, at worse they may have some negative effect I can't see.
Yes there are settings that may make the phone quicker like enabling caches or making them larger, sometimes we think things are quicker, sometimes they really are Just like a computer some performance settings are off for safety, for example write caches which when enabled could mean data loss, so HTC (and any other manufacturer) will be very reluctant to enable these things, again these things are disabled for a good reason, and not just because HTC want their phones to be slower. I never said all settings should be left alone, and if you want to risk losing data for a slightly faster PDA (whether real or a placebo effect) why not.
Dude do a simple 1 day test with data on, then data off, then lets compare notes
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Having the phone maintain a data connection does not use more power in itself, I have done the tests and linked to an article below. If you enable a data connection to use Push/Pull email then the fact the device is constantly polling for and retrieving email will of course eat into battery life, but it isn't leaving the data connection established doing that, it's the applications using it.
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2006/07/14/666203.aspx
I don't just make this stuff up you know, I've worked with Mobile Devices (Windows CE mainly) for some time
Regards
Phil
Hi all I've been using TESS 1.6 ROM and Radio 4.47.25.13 and did the fake Exchange server to prevent ActiveSync turning on and enabled all the power management features in Advanced Config (especially ASyncMAC power management) and I've managed to go
Standby: 98 Hours 23 minutes
Talktime: 5 minutes
Device Usage: 2 Hours 7 minutes
Mostly using Facebook application, Checking Email and Occasional webpage surf. This all from one full charge on the standard battery. I think that's pretty good! It's improved a lot with the newer radios. I've just upgraded to 4.47.25.21 hopefully this will be better!
PhilipL said:
Hi
Info on the subject here http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2005/08/01/446240.aspx
Like I say I've tested the current draw and saw no difference enabling the power management options, so I think better to leave alone, at best the settings are ignored by the drivers, at worse they may have some negative effect I can't see.
Yes there are settings that may make the phone quicker like enabling caches or making them larger, sometimes we think things are quicker, sometimes they really are Just like a computer some performance settings are off for safety, for example write caches which when enabled could mean data loss, so HTC (and any other manufacturer) will be very reluctant to enable these things, again these things are disabled for a good reason, and not just because HTC want their phones to be slower. I never said all settings should be left alone, and if you want to risk losing data for a slightly faster PDA (whether real or a placebo effect) why not.
Having the phone maintain a data connection does not use more power in itself, I have done the tests and linked to an article below. If you enable a data connection to use Push/Pull email then the fact the device is constantly polling for and retrieving email will of course eat into battery life, but it isn't leaving the data connection established doing that, it's the applications using it.
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2006/07/14/666203.aspx
I don't just make this stuff up you know, I've worked with Mobile Devices (Windows CE mainly) for some time
Regards
Phil
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I agree that enabling all power saving options is probably not a good thing. I have been trying a selection
◦SD Memory power management - disabled
◦NAND Memory power management - disabled
◦SIM Memory power management - enabled
◦AsyncMAC power management - enabled
◦IrSIR power management - enabled
◦PPTP power management - enabled
◦L2TP power management - enabled
seems ok so far
Hm.. just got my D2 some days ago...
only thing I really hate is, that battery drops fast as hell!
phone was fully charged yesterday 11 PM... now at 09:30 AM battery is at 40 %...
the phone just lay on the table and only checked for mails every 60 minutes... and one phone call in the morning...
someone made same experience?
I thought battery life of Diamond 1 is bad... but now...
ChiefmasterB said:
Hm.. just got my D2 some days ago...
only thing I really hate is, that battery drops fast as hell!
phone was fully charged yesterday 11 PM... now at 09:30 AM battery is at 40 %...
the phone just lay on the table and only checked for mails every 60 minutes... and one phone call in the morning...
someone made same experience?
I thought battery life of Diamond 1 is bad... but now...
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The battery thing is certainly weird. My TD2 was terrible at first never lasting a day but now lasts 3+ days and I can only put it down to using SL2U and changing over from a very old SIM to a brand new SIM.
I'm sorry I can't help more other than say it is working well here.
Tony
Hi friends
i find out that my HD2 use 3% battery in 1Hr in standby mode (not using phone) (in GSM mode)
PLZ test ur battery usage (example leave ur phone for 2Hr and see the usage) and say result in this topic.
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i found somethings !! see Post 23.
link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5171100&postcount=23
Hmm, Why?
Hi Wizard,
What are you hoping to achieve here?
Battery usage is a complicated scenario. Even in sleep mode your device is doing things in the background e.g listening for SMS & Emails, attentive to Exchange Server requests, dealing with items in the notification queue, etc etc.
Your initial conditioning of your battery also has a part to play in its performance as has the age of it. Also data connections also play into this scenario. In addition if you are in a low signal area your phone will spend more energy hunting for e.g. data connections than if you were, say, slap bang next to a transmitter.
People telling you that in 1 hour they saw x% drain or Y% drain tells you nothing unless you know why that is.
Do you want to rethink this and come back with a more focused thread.
Hope this helps.
WB
PS: You can kill off data connectivity by using a utility called Modaco No Data. Might help you if you think your battery problems are bad (do a search).
PPs: There's a stack of threads already on here about battery usage. You might want to link into those rather than kickoff yet another thread on this?
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Hi Wizard,
What are you hoping to achieve here?
Battery usage is a complicated scenario. Even in sleep mode your device is doing things in the background e.g listening for SMS & Emails, attentive to Exchange Server requests, dealing with items in the notification queue, etc etc.
Your initial conditioning of your battery also has a part to play in its performance as has the age of it. Also data connections also play into this scenario. In addition if you are in a low signal area your phone will spend more energy hunting for e.g. data connections than if you were, say, slap bang next to a transmitter.
People telling you that in 1 hour they saw x% drain or Y% drain tells you nothing unless you know why that is.
Do you want to rethink this and come back with a more focused thread.
Hope this helps.
WB
PS: You can kill off data connectivity by using a utility called Modaco No Data. Might help you if you think your battery problems are bad (do a search).
PPs: There's a stack of threads already on here about battery usage. You might want to link into those rather than kickoff yet another thread on this?
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what an angry !
sorry man
Btw its vice versa here. My battery drops about 1% in 3h (or 4% in 12h exactly). If u have bad coverage than its annoying but normal that it drops that fast in standby.
Remember that the battery meter is not designed and is not accurate enouch to measure 1 and 2% of battery use.
If they where, then ALL batteries need to have the exact same discharge cycle. This is not possible.
So 3% one hour, and 1% next hour could just as well be a result from the battery meter calibration.
The battery meter have only two references. Full and empty. All values in between are guestimates
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what an angry !
sorry man
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Don't take this too hard buddy
He's right about there being other threads focused on these issues and it's always best to first take a look and see if one exists before starting one. I say this coz I see this is one your first posts and you're probably not familiar with the rules.
As for battery life, yes as WB said there can be too many reasons why your battery drains this much. The most important of which are background data connections, updates, etc. So try using the "No Data" program and see if you get any improvement
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Remember that the battery meter is not designed and is not accurate enouch to measure 1 and 2% of battery use.
If they where, then ALL batteries need to have the exact same discharge cycle. This is not possible.
So 3% one hour, and 1% next hour could just as well be a result from the battery meter calibration.
The battery meter have only two references. Full and empty. All values in between are guestimates
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i test it in 6Hr (19% usage at 6 Hr)
i test it 3 times.
19/6=~3%
mightymn said:
Don't take this too hard buddy
He's right about there being other threads focused on these issues and it's always best to first take a look and see if one exists before starting one. I say this coz I see this is one your first posts and you're probably not familiar with the rules.
As for battery life, yes as WB said there can be too many reasons why your battery drains this much. The most important of which are background data connections, updates, etc. So try using the "No Data" program and see if you get any improvement
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all u say, was off (no update, no conection and ...)
when i use the phone battery usage is reasonable and acceptable. but in standby mode, this usage that i have, is much
Wizard,
I guess English is not your first language otherwise you would have recognised I was not putting you down. I was doing my best to be helpful.
I still think your starting point should be to install the application Modaco No Data, run it before you go to bed and see what happens.
There are just so many variable in battery usage, which is what I was trying to tell you.
WB
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Wizard,
I guess English is not your first language otherwise you would have recognised I was not putting you down. I was doing my best to be helpful.
I still think your starting point should be to install the application Modaco No Data, run it before you go to bed and see what happens.
There are just so many variable in battery usage, which is what I was trying to tell you.
WB
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Tnx
yes, english is not my first language (it is my 3rd language)
i'll test it
11% on 3g with data connection on durring 9 hours
4% on edge with data connection off durring same 9 hours
Even though this is at some point so irelevant because battery usage is determined by so many other factors, wacky has a strong point here
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11% on 3g with data connection on durring 9 hours
4% on edge with data connection off durring same 9 hours
Even though this is at some point so irelevant because battery usage is determined by so many other factors, wacky has a strong point here
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i do a hard reset, i dont instal any thing, on EDGE, no gprs conection, and ... >> i have 18-19% usage in 6Hr. it's sooooooo much!!
i had same problem with HTC Diamond.
I also, when having no data connections on, regardless of GSM/3G, have a usage of 3% during ~8h (when I sleep).
i install "battery log" and monitor battery usage.
when phone is in use, show 160~200 ma. and when phone is standby, 6~12 ma.
i think its natural and good and acceptable. but why in practice, use so much battery ? ur usage is 3% in 8Hr but my usage is 3% in 1Hr !!!!!!
my phone use battery in other place except windows ?! lol my phone has seepage !
Wizard,
If you are absolutely sure you have all data connections switched off via the Modaco utility AND all Wifi, Bluetooth and Beam connections killed off ( for good measure you could also switch your radio off, ie the telephone, not the FM radio) and you still think battery usage is on the high side then there are a number of things you should consider:
1) You have a battery that was not conditioned properly and therefore is not discharging correctly
2) You have a dodgy battery which you need to change
3) You have a faulty device
4) You have both a faulty device and a dodgy battery.
For no's 3 & 4 I would suggest you send the device back under warranty or ask for an exchange. You know what to do with 1 & 2.
WB
wacky.banana said:
Wizard,
If you are absolutely sure you have all data connections switched off via the Modaco utility AND all Wifi, Bluetooth and Beam connections killed off ( for good measure you could also switch your radio off, ie the telephone, not the FM radio) and you still think battery usage is on the high side then there are a number of things you should consider:
1) You have a battery that was not conditioned properly and therefore is not discharging correctly
2) You have a dodgy battery which you need to change
3) You have a faulty device
4) You have both a faulty device and a dodgy battery.
For no's 3 & 4 I would suggest you send the device back under warranty or ask for an exchange. You know what to do with 1 & 2.
WB
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TnX my friend
now i have changed simcard and insert another simcard from another operator . (10 min ago)
maybe
you have the rare case of phone sleep walking
(sorry for my bad english)
I also have this problem. In plane mode (gsm off), with all data connection off, my battery have a usage of 11% during ~8h (when I sleep).
It's french SFR rom.
Mine's set to UMTS (3g) without having data connections/wifi/bluetooth turned on - it loses 2-3% each 4-5 hours (standby only).
snowblindd said:
11% on 3g with data connection on durring 9 hours
4% on edge with data connection off durring same 9 hours
Even though this is at some point so irelevant because battery usage is determined by so many other factors, wacky has a strong point here
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umiss said:
I also, when having no data connections on, regardless of GSM/3G, have a usage of 3% during ~8h (when I sleep).
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Fatherboard said:
Mine's set to UMTS (3g) without having data connections/wifi/bluetooth turned on - it loses 2-3% each 4-5 hours (standby only).
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which rom U use ?? (my rom is 1.43) (and i'm waiting for 1.61 official rom ) (without goldcard!)
Im currently on XXJVS with Semaphore 1.7 kernel, but i have experienced the same behaviour the last weeks (or maybe i just started noticing recently): traveling starts a battery drain
Update: see post #22
Some background:
I suffered from the Android Process battery drain up to XXJVR. Flashing XXJVS seems to have improved things (after numerous reflashes of XXJVR and XXJVQ which didnt help. My phone's cpu keeps between 1% and 3% when sleeping, but i have noticed that Cpu rockets to like 30% as soon as i leave my house to go to work, or leave work to go home. Its as if the phone keeps trying to connect to some network all the time, but only while in motion (and trying to lock in from tower to tower?). The problem is however that Systempanel nor the log give great clues where to look.
Examples:
In this first example, my phone is hooked to the charger during the night, and the alarm clock is running (hence the steady 10% cpu load). As soon as the phone is disconnected, cpu drops to low levels. On the exact minute i leave home, cpu rockets. And yes,i arrived at work around 07:50.
Home environment:
- connected to wifi
- good 3G coverage
- 3G, Bluetooth,GPS enabled
- no Bluetooth profiles present
Work environment
- wifi network present but not connected
- average 3G coverage
In this second example, i'm at work, hardly using the phone. Without touching the phone, stepping into my car and driving off, the cpu kicks in again. Notice there is no Device Usage whatsoever at the moment the CPU climbs. Bluetooth profiles active at this point and paired & connected to the carkit.
This last screenshot shows the typical clues (or lack thereof) that SystemPanel shows: just the System process using the most CPU.
Also the logcat doesn't provide much clues (or too many maybe) either. I have found that some applications couldn't contact GoogleAnalystics because i have AdFree installed, so i uninstalled those apps.
Frankly, i don't know where took look further. The damn android 'System'process just doesn't give enough clues. I have formatted internal & external SD, deleted cache & Dalvik cache, flashed & factory resetted to no avail. I'll try to have a log running tomorrow morning just before leaving the house to see if i can find what log entry corresponds to the system process kicking in. In the meantime, has anyone ever seen this behaviour, or any hints where to look?
adb bugreport > c:/report.txt
look there maybe
Install System Tuner pro it has option to record processes(+analyzer ) better than System Panel.
..try freze Maps or turn off network localization -Uncle Google likes to locate phone very often .
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Hi,
Same phone and ROM, same problem.
Keep us updated!
Hmm, I have heard Galaxian kernel is battery sucker too...
Regards
wingg said:
Install System Tuner pro it has option to record processes(+analyzer ) better than System Panel.
..try freze Maps or turn off network localization -Uncle Google likes to locate phone very often .
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in short words - bull****
i have not touched (freezed/deleted) any app
yet still i have not noticed a drain, any kind of drain
let him determine what app is causing the 100% cpu usage first
prior to advising him to freeze or delete anything - that is wise you have to agree
also localization service would not provide such high cu usage
think please
Hi,
It might be facebook 1.7.1. There are several complaining comments that "upload manager" process is running in the background and prevents phone from going into deep sleep mode.
i got data connection active all the time with all apps syncing (gmail, twitter, facebook)
and phone got no problem sleepin =)
pwhooftman said:
Im currently on XXJVS with Semaphore 1.7 kernel, but i have experienced the same behaviour the last weeks (or maybe i just started noticing recently): traveling starts a battery drain
Some background:
I suffered from the Android Process battery drain up to XXJVR. Flashing XXJVS seems to have improved things (after numerous reflashes of XXJVR and XXJVQ which didnt help. My phone's cpu keeps between 1% and 3% when sleeping, but i have noticed that Cpu rockets to like 30% as soon as i leave my house to go to work, or leave work to go home. Its as if the phone keeps trying to connect to some network all the time, but only while in motion (and trying to lock in from tower to tower?). The problem is however that Systempanel nor the log give great clues where to look.
Examples:
In this first example, my phone is hooked to the charger during the night, and the alarm clock is running (hence the steady 10% cpu load). As soon as the phone is disconnected, cpu drops to low levels. On the exact minute i leave home, cpu rockets. And yes,i arrived at work around 07:50.
Home environment:
- connected to wifi
- good 3G coverage
- 3G, Bluetooth,GPS enabled
- no Bluetooth profiles present
Work environment
- wifi network present but not connected
- average 3G coverage
In this second example, i'm at work, hardly using the phone. Without touching the phone, stepping into my car and driving off, the cpu kicks in again. Notice there is no Device Usage whatsoever at the moment the CPU climbs. Bluetooth profiles active at this point and paired & connected to the carkit.
This last screenshot shows the typical clues (or lack thereof) that SystemPanel shows: just the System process using the most CPU.
Also the logcat doesn't provide much clues (or too many maybe) either. I have found that some applications couldn't contact GoogleAnalystics because i have AdFree installed, so i uninstalled those apps.
Frankly, i don't know where took look further. The damn android 'System'process just doesn't give enough clues. I have formatted internal & external SD, deleted cache & Dalvik cache, flashed & factory resetted to no avail. I'll try to have a log running tomorrow morning just before leaving the house to see if i can find what log entry corresponds to the system process kicking in. In the meantime, has anyone ever seen this behaviour, or any hints where to look?
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i think you should go out and do some thing better with your life then watching what a battery uses
i think its a waste of space to quote WHALE post
and well if he got battery drained overnight it is important to determine why
it should not happend
Just a quick question, where is the phone when you are in the car? I have noticed that if I keep my phone in my trouser pocket while driving, I loose signal frequently, shown on Bluetooth unit, and over a 3hour journey I can loose 30% battery, but if I put the phone in my shirt pocket I do not loose signal and my battery loss is about 20%.
My theory is that the phone signal finds it easier to penetrate the glass windows of the car rather that the metalwork.
Similarly to Geryatrix, when I leave my phone beside my bed (=~~, best place for alarm), my battery drains because the phone stays with a very low network signal and keeps searching for better antennas, I guess. But then at "Battery Usage" I could see that "Cell Standby" was eating my bat, not the "Android System".
battery drains from wifi staying connected in idle state - thats a bug in my opinion from samsung - it should not use such ammount of energy
data connection in idle is almost unnoticable in battery use
When I had facebook 1.7.1 installed, "Android System" was consuming 20% battery.
After I uninstalled facebook 1.7.1 and the problem is gone, "Android System is back
to normal, about 4%.
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i think you should go out and do some thing better with your life then watching what a battery uses
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I think you should learn not to quote an entire long message for the sake of making 1 stupid remark
Start post will be updated in a few minutes with some new information.
seems like one of apps you use is trying to connect somewhere
have you made bugreport - i think you will find the culprit there
Have you tried disabling fast dormancy? Maybe these wakelocks are caused by incompatible 3g cell.
Use *#*#9900#*#* to find option to disable it.
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$omator said:
think please
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and what is your problem to start oftop whining?
use report button if you do not like my post or tone of it
and freezing/deleting apps is not and never will be an issue solver
system works perfect with none of stock apps touched
using memory killers and altering system with such freeze options
is on the other hand source of 9 on 10 problems
$omator said:
battery drains from wifi staying connected in idle state - thats a bug in my opinion from samsung - it should not use such ammount of energy
data connection in idle is almost unnoticable in battery use
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Hi,
I have opposite experience. Keeping Wifi enabled causes almost no battery drain for me, keeping 3G enabled does big time. My Galaxy Tab 10.1 Wifi version is set to never let the wifi connection sleep, and still battery drains no more than 1% or 2% a day is the tablet is not used.
I tested today with Wifi disabled. Still the Enter Dormancy messages appear each 5 seconds, altough the CPU hit is less. The Fast Dormacy messages seem purely cell-tower related, and wifi-unrelated. The Dormancy messages start as soon as i start moving, and stop when i'm home. I will update the startpost agan tonight.
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Kurre said:
Have you tried disabling fast dormancy? Maybe these wakelocks are caused by incompatible 3g cell.
Use *#*#9900#*#* to find option to disable it.
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Hi,
I entered this Sysdump menu, the button read ""Enable Fast Dormancy" so i guess that means it was disabled all along. I enabled fast dormancy and will continue to test.