(Bare with me, this IS wm6 related)
Okay, so i got this qtek 9090 from a trade online, and the owner pointed out that he had used it for some time now and it worked without problems.
However that seems not to be my experience. At first I was a little worried that it did not came with a charger.. Only a USB cable. No worries i thought, I will just charge it through USB. Now I have had some experiences where phones wouldn't charge from some of my computers, apparently because of some boards that put out lower amps than others. However I knew atleast one computer should have no problem charge ordinary cell phones.
So i plugged it in, and to my worries the battery kept going down... Untill the phone was dried from power and everything got lost again.. and again.. and again.. It seemed a little odd that it apparently deleted everything each time, since the backup battery indicated 100%.
So at last it went into flightmode and I shut it down with the powerbutton and let it be connected.. The first many hours nothing happened.. But suddenly, when i did an occasional check, it said 3% battery. I went to sleep and the next morning it was fully charged. I used it all day in school and it held its power real fine.
Now I got the feeling that this probably was caused by the low amp output from the computer, making it unable of charging to the extend where the phone would still be able of running whilst charging. So i figured i would order a 220v (the powercurrent here in Denmark) -> 5v USB that outputs 700mA, to make a quicker charge.
Well, to day I was gonna receive that adapter, and since I'd read that the wm6 apparently draines the battery some bit, I waited untill today to upgrade to wm6.
I upgraded and everything truely runs quick and stable. But when i recieved the adapter and plugged it in, i was horrified. The power kept going down, as I had experienced when it was plugged into USB.
Now my girlfriend really wanted to play bejeweled on this thing, so she did and then shortly afterwards we took a few hours nap. I had her plug it in the new adapter to charge it. When i woke up i saw the screen blinking.
I could se it was rebooting over and over again, as it had done the first time it completely lost power..
Now besides that extremely annoying charging problem, I now had another concern....
The boot screen shows NONE next to the R and the G.
Next to the D is the wm version displayed.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
red LED?
Hm.. By doing a hard reset it shows numbers next to R and G again.
It continuely reboots, display boot screen, shuts down, LED is red, reboots, displays boot screen, shuts down, LED is red again and again.
If i hard reset it some times it will at one point stay off, but the LED still lights red.
And now I question wether 700mA is even enough for charging the BA?
1. Higher power given by power supply does not mean, you will get faster charging
2. If you use WM5/WM6 and have Bluetooth turned on, device turns on every few minutes (bug/feature of the driver needed to keep Bluetooth running: look for BigMike's fix for more information). If your deivce is set up to turn off after long time (for ex. 5 mins), battery might drain out in half a day.
3. Check power settings (delays for device power down etc.)
4. In WM6 be sure, that audio manager is not running (prevents device from deep sleep, allows only screen shutdown)
5. If battery shows up 100% and after disconnecting device discharges in less than 2h being turned on all the time (wifi, bt, phone, screen all the time turned on) it means, that battery might be worn. Consider exchange.
R and G showing NONE is normal in WM5/WM6 because of bug (unfixable for now) in the device and it's incomatibility with this OS: after turning on from power down (taking battery out or total discharging) make soft reset just when R NONE G NONE shows up on the screen. Everything will be normal.
jakubd said:
1. Higher power given by power supply does not mean, you will get faster charging
2. If you use WM5/WM6 and have Bluetooth turned on, device turns on every few minutes (bug/feature of the driver needed to keep Bluetooth running: look for BigMike's fix for more information). If your deivce is set up to turn off after long time (for ex. 5 mins), battery might drain out in half a day.
3. Check power settings (delays for device power down etc.)
4. In WM6 be sure, that audio manager is not running (prevents device from deep sleep, allows only screen shutdown)
5. If battery shows up 100% and after disconnecting device discharges in less than 2h being turned on all the time (wifi, bt, phone, screen all the time turned on) it means, that battery might be worn. Consider exchange.
R and G showing NONE is normal in WM5/WM6 because of bug (unfixable for now) in the device and it's incomatibility with this OS: after turning on from power down (taking battery out or total discharging) make soft reset just when R NONE G NONE shows up on the screen. Everything will be normal.
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AFAIK the lower the mA output, the slower the charge period.
I have had wifi, bluetooth, beam off. I've set shutdown to 2 minutes. I've set it to low brightness and etc.
As i mentioned it had no problems going a whole day of usage in school.
Didn't know about the bug in wm6 that makes only the screen shut off, but at the momemt i can't even boot the device, apparently because it has no batterypower. And having it connected to the charger makes no real difference (other than it will display the bootscreen and perhaps even the Windows Mobile welcome screen thing, for a few seconds.. then go dead again.)
I've had it in the charger for about an hour or two, still not enough power to boot it up.
It feels like it's just not charging sometimes.. And other times it will charge just fine.
Found out about the reset to solve the NONE issue, but i still don't know what it means that its LED is red all the time?
Even 500mA is enough for sure, as charging from USB works fine.
Device will shut down soon after turning on if there is not enough power in battery, even it if is charging. Leave it charging (amber led on the right) for some time. RED led means low battery and no charging (AFAIR).
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Even 500mA is enough for sure, as charging from USB works fine.
Device will shut down soon after turning on if there is not enough power in battery, even it if is charging. Leave it charging (amber led on the right) for some time. RED led means low battery and no charging (AFAIR).
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Hmm, i see. I just don't understand why it's not charging then :/
trylleklovn said:
Didn't know about the bug in wm6 that makes only the screen shut off
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This is not a bug - thanks to this you can still listen to your music keeping device with screen turned off, when you don't need it to spare battery.
trylleklovn said:
Found out about the reset to solve the NONE issue, but i still don't know what it means that its LED is red all the time?
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Red LED (right one) means low battery, no charging. To charge this led must be amber. Details - you must look for manual.
jakubd said:
This is not a bug - thanks to this you can still listen to your music keeping device with screen turned off, when you don't need it to spare battery.
Red LED (right one) means low battery, no charging. To charge this led must be amber. Details - you must look for manual.
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Okay.
It's odd still. When i connect the charger the right LED starts to light red.
If it means that its not charging, there must be something wrong, since it only happens when connecting the charger..
it can be amber or red. Those are different colors and meaning.
You can confirm it charges touching the battery - it becomes slightly warm after some time.
jakubd said:
it can be amber or red. Those are different colors and meaning.
You can confirm it charges touching the battery - it becomes slightly warm after some time.
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I KNOW that, but it is not going amber. It stays red all the time.
Found this thread that discusses a similar problem; http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-233782.html
Apparently it shows RED light all the time if the battery is dead.. However i hardly doubt that the battery, which could power the phone just fine for and entire day, should be dead.
However, one suggestion in the thread was to take out the battery for some time and then try again. So I will do that for now.
Behavior has changed a bit now..
The LED is still red when i connect the charger. However, if i try to turn it on following happens:
Boot Screen shows for a couple of seconds...
Windows Mobile startup screen appears and the LED changes to orange/amber..
After a few seconds the screen turns black and the LED changes to red again...
And then after a few more seconds the boot screen appears again and everything is repeated, over and over.
If I disconnect the charger the boot screen appears, the wm startup screen appears, this time with a flashing red LED.. shortly after the phone turns off.
trylleklovn said:
Behavior has changed a bit now..
The LED is still red when i connect the charger. However, if i try to turn it on following happens:
Boot Screen shows for a couple of seconds...
Windows Mobile startup screen appears and the LED changes to orange/amber..
After a few seconds the screen turns black and the LED changes to red again...
And then after a few more seconds the boot screen appears again and everything is repeated, over and over.
If I disconnect the charger the boot screen appears, the wm startup screen appears, this time with a flashing red LED.. shortly after the phone turns off.
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I've seen this problem before. The charger is not putting out enough power to both charge and boot the BA. So what happens is that it starts charging enough to start boot, but as soon as it has enough power to start the boot, it immediately drains it by starting to boot with screen at full brightness.
What I do in this case is to try to catch it just as it starts to boot and turn the backlight off by holding down the power button for 5 sec. This turns off the backlight so there is less drain and the thing can boot up and start charging.
All in all, its a pretty stupid bug but what the hell, there is a solution to it.
Good luck.
motisu said:
I've seen this problem before. The charger is not putting out enough power to both charge and boot the BA. So what happens is that it starts charging enough to start boot, but as soon as it has enough power to start the boot, it immediately drains it by starting to boot with screen at full brightness.
What I do in this case is to try to catch it just as it starts to boot and turn the backlight off by holding down the power button for 5 sec. This turns off the backlight so there is less drain and the thing can boot up and start charging.
All in all, its a pretty stupid bug but what the hell, there is a solution to it.
Good luck.
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This seems to work atm. (just a few seconds since it successfully booted)..
Does this mean that the device really cant charge if its not "on" ?
(I can see its booted and the LED is now orange. If only it will stay this way untill it has been recharged further ))
trylleklovn said:
This seems to work atm. (just a few seconds since it successfully booted)..
Does this mean that the device really cant charge if its not "on" ?
(I can see its booted and the LED is now orange. If only it will stay this way untill it has been recharged further ))
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It can charge when it is off. BUT... When its off, its not really off... It has to finish booting and then you can turn it off. Then it will charge faster as it only has minimum drain on the battery. As I said before, its a stupid design.
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It can charge when it is off. BUT... When its off, its not really off... It has to finish booting and then you can turn it off. Then it will charge faster as it only has minimum drain on the battery. As I said before, its a stupid design.
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Well we can certainly agree on that
So does the phone also basicly use to much power to be used and charged at the same time? Which would explain why it seemed to lose power even though it was connected to the charger.
Although it still doesn't add up for me, as at one point i was playing a game on it, while charging and then it charged real fast, where you would expect it to use more power
Oh well, if only it keeps charging now i'll be glad
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Well we can certainly agree on that
So does the phone also basicly use to much power to be used and charged at the same time? Which would explain why it seemed to lose power even though it was connected to the charger.
Although it still doesn't add up for me, as at one point i was playing a game on it, while charging and then it charged real fast, where you would expect it to use more power
Oh well, if only it keeps charging now i'll be glad
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I have found that if you only use the USB cable to charge, it takes much longer (if at all) to charge if it is on. Thats why I bought cradles that have external power suppies as well as the USB sync cable. With this configuration, it gets to full charge in about 90 minutes.
Hm.. yeah.. I let it charge for some time, until it shut down and the LED changed to red again.. The same thing has happened about 3 times now.. If I try to navigate it with the brightness off it will shut down after a few clicks..
Seems like either the battery is completely dead or it's simply not charging.. :/
Think i have to buy a new battery and a cradle, although i didn't really want to spend money on this phone as i got it virtually for free (through a trade of a w810i)
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Hm.. yeah.. I let it charge for some time, until it shut down and the LED changed to red again.. The same thing has happened about 3 times now.. If I try to navigate it with the brightness off it will shut down after a few clicks..
Seems like either the battery is completely dead or it's simply not charging.. :/
Think i have to buy a new battery and a cradle, although i didn't really want to spend money on this phone as i got it virtually for free (through a trade of a w810i)
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Get it to orange and then push the power button (short push) to turn it off (not long push which only turns off the backlight). Then let it charge for an hour or 2 (or even all night). By then, it should work OK.
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Get it to orange and then push the power button (short push) to turn it off (not long push which only turns off the backlight). Then let it charge for an hour or 2 (or even all night). By then, it should work OK.
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Yeah, i tried that. As soon as i press the power button it goes to red again.
Update..
A litte update (i might as well document everything I find out here, if anyone should run into a similar problem).
Now, I've had the device connected to the charge for some time now.
What happens is that the device boots up, automaticly dimms down to no light (since i once had hold down the power button, to dimm down light).
Then it boots up, and i can see everything running.
I can navigate to the battery status menu, which shows
Battery: 0% (charging)
Backup battery: 25%
After a few minutes the device shuts down, and the LED goes red again. But after about a half a minute it will try to boot up again, and it goes through everything again.
What I've noticed is that the backup battery slowly increases, and while im writing it has gone all the way to 75%. The good thing about this completely automatic procedure is that it apparently slowly charges, at least, the backup battery.
My theory is that the backup battery has first priority in the system, so that the regular battery wont charge untill the backup battery is up. And since the backup battery can't apparently be used for actualy powering the system, the system will continuesly reboot because of lack of power, theoreticly untill the backup battery reaches 100% and it starts to charge the regular battery.
The whole problem seems to be cause by some charging malfunction, so that both batteries has been completely discharged. I hope that by letting it continue to reboot, charge, reboot, charge, etc. it will revive the battery.
I will return with more info tomorrow.
Any suggestions are still greatly appreciated.
I've been told that charging the Titan while off is the best way - so the battery resets or something. I don't know if you have to do this everytime or just once and a while.
but i found that I turn my phone off, then while it's charging - it will mysteriously turn itself back on. The battery is not full yet, it just will randomly turn on.
So Is there a way to keep the phone off while charging? (I'm using a wall HTC adapter)
There is no reason to charge with the phone off. Also are you really turning the phone or or putting it in standby.
I hold the power button down till it says 'turn off , yes/no" and I push yes.
by the way what is standby?
push power button to turn phone screen off.
Some winmo phones turn on by itself, the titan and TP are 2.
I use S2U2 to lock the phone so the phone closes itself at a set time.
IMO, turning off your cell phone to charge ruins the point of having a cell phone for the time its off. Even if the phone's off, it'll still be draining a little energy.
Standby:
Phone is on. You press the power button breifly once. Phone screen turns off and phone goes into a low power mode.
Off:
Phone is on. You press and hold the power button and tap Yes when the dialog box asks if you want to turn off the phone. Phone then turns off completely.
If my phone is charging off a PC via USB it will sometimes awake from standby on its own. It doesn't do this when using just a charger. It does not turn on by itself though if fully turned off.
I only turn off my phone to charge if I want it to charge a little bit faster.
Sweet thanks for the replies.
I was just curious. But it turns out that my phone kept turning on, because my charger was on it's way out for some reason.
Tested it and it was only charging at a rate 50mA way less than the 1A label. And it was always super hot. So got a new one, problem solved, glad it didn't fry my phone
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I've been told that charging the Titan while off is the best way - so the battery resets or something....
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what you're referring to is calibrating the battery. to calibrate the battery, you need to charge your phone to 100%, let it die, then charge it to 100% while the phone is off. calibrating your battery resets the sensors inside which provide all the information about your battery, including remaining battery life. definitely a good thing to do every once and a while and you'll notice the difference
There aren't sensors inside the battery.
I just received my DHD and as soon as I inserted the battery, it powered on by itself. I plugged in mains for a long charge cycle (I don't want to use it while charging).
I want to power off for real but it seems that when I press the power button even for prolonged time, it just goes to standby. I want to charge it while powered-off. How do I do this?
I didn't have the chance to play with Android before so here I am asking easy questions I guess.
Try with this:
Tap the power button on the upper side of phone for few seconds, then you will see on the screen new window with three possibilities - power off, aeroplane mode and restart. Choose power off. Then you can charge your phone.
Other possibility - work/play with your phone till the battery is fully drained and the phone will switch off itself.
Hope this helps.
Regards.
go to settings applications and disable fast boot
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Try with this:
Tap the power button on the upper side of phone for few seconds, then you will see on the screen new window with three possibilities - power off, aeroplane mode and restart. Choose power off. Then you can charge your phone.
Other possibility - work/play with your phone till the battery is fully drained and the phone will switch off itself.
Hope this helps.
Regards.
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Thank you all. That's what I was doing but I guess that the screen was locked and it didn't work. As soon as I unlocked the screen and performed this procedre it worked. I just didn't want to start working with the phone until it is fully charged and that's why I was trying to switch off without entering the phone.
If you don't disable HTC Fastboot you phone isn't really off, just hibernating.
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If you don't disable HTC Fastboot you phone isn't really off, just hibernating.
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Good point but I had to go through all setup steps until I am able to configure this setting. Anyway, I was planning to leave the phone charging untouched for several hours but I guess that wouldn't be possible.
My phone boots back into clockwork recovery even when fastboot is disabled.
Apparently the DHD uses the recovery to display the charging LED (orange or green), so when you replace the recovery with CWM attaching the charger when the phone is off will start CWM.