(Bare with me, this IS wm6 related)
Okay, so i got this qtek 9090 from a trade online, and the owner pointed out that he had used it for some time now and it worked without problems.
However that seems not to be my experience. At first I was a little worried that it did not came with a charger.. Only a USB cable. No worries i thought, I will just charge it through USB. Now I have had some experiences where phones wouldn't charge from some of my computers, apparently because of some boards that put out lower amps than others. However I knew atleast one computer should have no problem charge ordinary cell phones.
So i plugged it in, and to my worries the battery kept going down... Untill the phone was dried from power and everything got lost again.. and again.. and again.. It seemed a little odd that it apparently deleted everything each time, since the backup battery indicated 100%.
So at last it went into flightmode and I shut it down with the powerbutton and let it be connected.. The first many hours nothing happened.. But suddenly, when i did an occasional check, it said 3% battery. I went to sleep and the next morning it was fully charged. I used it all day in school and it held its power real fine.
Now I got the feeling that this probably was caused by the low amp output from the computer, making it unable of charging to the extend where the phone would still be able of running whilst charging. So i figured i would order a 220v (the powercurrent here in Denmark) -> 5v USB that outputs 700mA, to make a quicker charge.
Well, to day I was gonna receive that adapter, and since I'd read that the wm6 apparently draines the battery some bit, I waited untill today to upgrade to wm6.
I upgraded and everything truely runs quick and stable. But when i recieved the adapter and plugged it in, i was horrified. The power kept going down, as I had experienced when it was plugged into USB.
Now my girlfriend really wanted to play bejeweled on this thing, so she did and then shortly afterwards we took a few hours nap. I had her plug it in the new adapter to charge it. When i woke up i saw the screen blinking.
I could se it was rebooting over and over again, as it had done the first time it completely lost power..
Now besides that extremely annoying charging problem, I now had another concern....
The boot screen shows NONE next to the R and the G.
Next to the D is the wm version displayed.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
red LED?
Hm.. By doing a hard reset it shows numbers next to R and G again.
It continuely reboots, display boot screen, shuts down, LED is red, reboots, displays boot screen, shuts down, LED is red again and again.
If i hard reset it some times it will at one point stay off, but the LED still lights red.
And now I question wether 700mA is even enough for charging the BA?
1. Higher power given by power supply does not mean, you will get faster charging
2. If you use WM5/WM6 and have Bluetooth turned on, device turns on every few minutes (bug/feature of the driver needed to keep Bluetooth running: look for BigMike's fix for more information). If your deivce is set up to turn off after long time (for ex. 5 mins), battery might drain out in half a day.
3. Check power settings (delays for device power down etc.)
4. In WM6 be sure, that audio manager is not running (prevents device from deep sleep, allows only screen shutdown)
5. If battery shows up 100% and after disconnecting device discharges in less than 2h being turned on all the time (wifi, bt, phone, screen all the time turned on) it means, that battery might be worn. Consider exchange.
R and G showing NONE is normal in WM5/WM6 because of bug (unfixable for now) in the device and it's incomatibility with this OS: after turning on from power down (taking battery out or total discharging) make soft reset just when R NONE G NONE shows up on the screen. Everything will be normal.
jakubd said:
1. Higher power given by power supply does not mean, you will get faster charging
2. If you use WM5/WM6 and have Bluetooth turned on, device turns on every few minutes (bug/feature of the driver needed to keep Bluetooth running: look for BigMike's fix for more information). If your deivce is set up to turn off after long time (for ex. 5 mins), battery might drain out in half a day.
3. Check power settings (delays for device power down etc.)
4. In WM6 be sure, that audio manager is not running (prevents device from deep sleep, allows only screen shutdown)
5. If battery shows up 100% and after disconnecting device discharges in less than 2h being turned on all the time (wifi, bt, phone, screen all the time turned on) it means, that battery might be worn. Consider exchange.
R and G showing NONE is normal in WM5/WM6 because of bug (unfixable for now) in the device and it's incomatibility with this OS: after turning on from power down (taking battery out or total discharging) make soft reset just when R NONE G NONE shows up on the screen. Everything will be normal.
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AFAIK the lower the mA output, the slower the charge period.
I have had wifi, bluetooth, beam off. I've set shutdown to 2 minutes. I've set it to low brightness and etc.
As i mentioned it had no problems going a whole day of usage in school.
Didn't know about the bug in wm6 that makes only the screen shut off, but at the momemt i can't even boot the device, apparently because it has no batterypower. And having it connected to the charger makes no real difference (other than it will display the bootscreen and perhaps even the Windows Mobile welcome screen thing, for a few seconds.. then go dead again.)
I've had it in the charger for about an hour or two, still not enough power to boot it up.
It feels like it's just not charging sometimes.. And other times it will charge just fine.
Found out about the reset to solve the NONE issue, but i still don't know what it means that its LED is red all the time?
Even 500mA is enough for sure, as charging from USB works fine.
Device will shut down soon after turning on if there is not enough power in battery, even it if is charging. Leave it charging (amber led on the right) for some time. RED led means low battery and no charging (AFAIR).
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Even 500mA is enough for sure, as charging from USB works fine.
Device will shut down soon after turning on if there is not enough power in battery, even it if is charging. Leave it charging (amber led on the right) for some time. RED led means low battery and no charging (AFAIR).
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Hmm, i see. I just don't understand why it's not charging then :/
trylleklovn said:
Didn't know about the bug in wm6 that makes only the screen shut off
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This is not a bug - thanks to this you can still listen to your music keeping device with screen turned off, when you don't need it to spare battery.
trylleklovn said:
Found out about the reset to solve the NONE issue, but i still don't know what it means that its LED is red all the time?
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Red LED (right one) means low battery, no charging. To charge this led must be amber. Details - you must look for manual.
jakubd said:
This is not a bug - thanks to this you can still listen to your music keeping device with screen turned off, when you don't need it to spare battery.
Red LED (right one) means low battery, no charging. To charge this led must be amber. Details - you must look for manual.
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Okay.
It's odd still. When i connect the charger the right LED starts to light red.
If it means that its not charging, there must be something wrong, since it only happens when connecting the charger..
it can be amber or red. Those are different colors and meaning.
You can confirm it charges touching the battery - it becomes slightly warm after some time.
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it can be amber or red. Those are different colors and meaning.
You can confirm it charges touching the battery - it becomes slightly warm after some time.
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I KNOW that, but it is not going amber. It stays red all the time.
Found this thread that discusses a similar problem; http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-233782.html
Apparently it shows RED light all the time if the battery is dead.. However i hardly doubt that the battery, which could power the phone just fine for and entire day, should be dead.
However, one suggestion in the thread was to take out the battery for some time and then try again. So I will do that for now.
Behavior has changed a bit now..
The LED is still red when i connect the charger. However, if i try to turn it on following happens:
Boot Screen shows for a couple of seconds...
Windows Mobile startup screen appears and the LED changes to orange/amber..
After a few seconds the screen turns black and the LED changes to red again...
And then after a few more seconds the boot screen appears again and everything is repeated, over and over.
If I disconnect the charger the boot screen appears, the wm startup screen appears, this time with a flashing red LED.. shortly after the phone turns off.
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Behavior has changed a bit now..
The LED is still red when i connect the charger. However, if i try to turn it on following happens:
Boot Screen shows for a couple of seconds...
Windows Mobile startup screen appears and the LED changes to orange/amber..
After a few seconds the screen turns black and the LED changes to red again...
And then after a few more seconds the boot screen appears again and everything is repeated, over and over.
If I disconnect the charger the boot screen appears, the wm startup screen appears, this time with a flashing red LED.. shortly after the phone turns off.
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I've seen this problem before. The charger is not putting out enough power to both charge and boot the BA. So what happens is that it starts charging enough to start boot, but as soon as it has enough power to start the boot, it immediately drains it by starting to boot with screen at full brightness.
What I do in this case is to try to catch it just as it starts to boot and turn the backlight off by holding down the power button for 5 sec. This turns off the backlight so there is less drain and the thing can boot up and start charging.
All in all, its a pretty stupid bug but what the hell, there is a solution to it.
Good luck.
motisu said:
I've seen this problem before. The charger is not putting out enough power to both charge and boot the BA. So what happens is that it starts charging enough to start boot, but as soon as it has enough power to start the boot, it immediately drains it by starting to boot with screen at full brightness.
What I do in this case is to try to catch it just as it starts to boot and turn the backlight off by holding down the power button for 5 sec. This turns off the backlight so there is less drain and the thing can boot up and start charging.
All in all, its a pretty stupid bug but what the hell, there is a solution to it.
Good luck.
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This seems to work atm. (just a few seconds since it successfully booted)..
Does this mean that the device really cant charge if its not "on" ?
(I can see its booted and the LED is now orange. If only it will stay this way untill it has been recharged further ))
trylleklovn said:
This seems to work atm. (just a few seconds since it successfully booted)..
Does this mean that the device really cant charge if its not "on" ?
(I can see its booted and the LED is now orange. If only it will stay this way untill it has been recharged further ))
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It can charge when it is off. BUT... When its off, its not really off... It has to finish booting and then you can turn it off. Then it will charge faster as it only has minimum drain on the battery. As I said before, its a stupid design.
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It can charge when it is off. BUT... When its off, its not really off... It has to finish booting and then you can turn it off. Then it will charge faster as it only has minimum drain on the battery. As I said before, its a stupid design.
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Well we can certainly agree on that
So does the phone also basicly use to much power to be used and charged at the same time? Which would explain why it seemed to lose power even though it was connected to the charger.
Although it still doesn't add up for me, as at one point i was playing a game on it, while charging and then it charged real fast, where you would expect it to use more power
Oh well, if only it keeps charging now i'll be glad
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Well we can certainly agree on that
So does the phone also basicly use to much power to be used and charged at the same time? Which would explain why it seemed to lose power even though it was connected to the charger.
Although it still doesn't add up for me, as at one point i was playing a game on it, while charging and then it charged real fast, where you would expect it to use more power
Oh well, if only it keeps charging now i'll be glad
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I have found that if you only use the USB cable to charge, it takes much longer (if at all) to charge if it is on. Thats why I bought cradles that have external power suppies as well as the USB sync cable. With this configuration, it gets to full charge in about 90 minutes.
Hm.. yeah.. I let it charge for some time, until it shut down and the LED changed to red again.. The same thing has happened about 3 times now.. If I try to navigate it with the brightness off it will shut down after a few clicks..
Seems like either the battery is completely dead or it's simply not charging.. :/
Think i have to buy a new battery and a cradle, although i didn't really want to spend money on this phone as i got it virtually for free (through a trade of a w810i)
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Hm.. yeah.. I let it charge for some time, until it shut down and the LED changed to red again.. The same thing has happened about 3 times now.. If I try to navigate it with the brightness off it will shut down after a few clicks..
Seems like either the battery is completely dead or it's simply not charging.. :/
Think i have to buy a new battery and a cradle, although i didn't really want to spend money on this phone as i got it virtually for free (through a trade of a w810i)
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Get it to orange and then push the power button (short push) to turn it off (not long push which only turns off the backlight). Then let it charge for an hour or 2 (or even all night). By then, it should work OK.
motisu said:
Get it to orange and then push the power button (short push) to turn it off (not long push which only turns off the backlight). Then let it charge for an hour or 2 (or even all night). By then, it should work OK.
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Yeah, i tried that. As soon as i press the power button it goes to red again.
Update..
A litte update (i might as well document everything I find out here, if anyone should run into a similar problem).
Now, I've had the device connected to the charge for some time now.
What happens is that the device boots up, automaticly dimms down to no light (since i once had hold down the power button, to dimm down light).
Then it boots up, and i can see everything running.
I can navigate to the battery status menu, which shows
Battery: 0% (charging)
Backup battery: 25%
After a few minutes the device shuts down, and the LED goes red again. But after about a half a minute it will try to boot up again, and it goes through everything again.
What I've noticed is that the backup battery slowly increases, and while im writing it has gone all the way to 75%. The good thing about this completely automatic procedure is that it apparently slowly charges, at least, the backup battery.
My theory is that the backup battery has first priority in the system, so that the regular battery wont charge untill the backup battery is up. And since the backup battery can't apparently be used for actualy powering the system, the system will continuesly reboot because of lack of power, theoreticly untill the backup battery reaches 100% and it starts to charge the regular battery.
The whole problem seems to be cause by some charging malfunction, so that both batteries has been completely discharged. I hope that by letting it continue to reboot, charge, reboot, charge, etc. it will revive the battery.
I will return with more info tomorrow.
Any suggestions are still greatly appreciated.
Any body have this issue. When ever the phone is on and I need to pull the battery for whatever reason, it will not turn on when I put the battery back in.
If I wait and turn off the phone before taking out the battery it is fine though.
How I get it back on is a problem itself. It would take me upwards of 20 min of just pressing the power button x amount of time, removing the battery and charging it.
This isn't even happening when I am out of battery. I would have 90% left
Also sometime it looks like it tries to turn on, display the black screen with HTC logo and displays the radio... then it just keeps on rebooting itself. Never actually fully booting.
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Any body have this issue. When ever the phone is on and I need to pull the battery for whatever reason, it will not turn on when I put the battery back in.
If I wait and turn off the phone before taking out the battery it is fine though.
How I get it back on is a problem itself. It would take me upwards of 20 min of just pressing the power button x amount of time, removing the battery and charging it.
This isn't even happening when I am out of battery. I would have 90% left
Also sometime it looks like it tries to turn on, display the black screen with HTC logo and displays the radio... then it just keeps on rebooting itself. Never actually fully booting.
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sounds like you are abusing your phone. dont mash buttons that many times, you are hurting it.
take the battery out, hold the power key for 10 seconds, let go. then put battery in, and press power key once.
if this doesnt work, get an iphone
I've read a few posts similar to this.
Solution: Once battery is out, leave out for 15-30 mins, reinstall battery WITHOUT turning device on, plug in power supply, wait an additional 5-10 mins before turning back on. Works for others.
OK will try this. Is there a reason why this always happend when I pull the battery though?
Also, check your pins. One of them may be bent.
donkeypunch85 said:
I've read a few posts similar to this.
Solution: Once battery is out, leave out for 15-30 mins, reinstall battery WITHOUT turning device on, plug in power supply, wait an additional 5-10 mins before turning back on. Works for others.
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Ok this way seem to work. Thanks
There wasn't any bent pins on it though. I thought that this was just one of the flaws of running Android on the HD2.
Because I never had an issue with pulling the battery and it not powering on while it was on the stock WIMO
thanks guys! it worked.
why do people continue to pull the battery? i think i've ever only pulled the battery once in the 3 months i've been flashing roms and testing builds. reset buttons always works for me. don't want to get them pins bent!
i just got the phone nad first charge i charged it whe ni got it and now its dead im charging it battery is very weak compared to nexus one i had.... but is it true that if u discharge it completley and then charge it completey and repeat 3-4 times battery gets good? i also heard over a little time that battery gets way better? any one can relate to this?
Sounds like you could benefit from re-calibrating your battery. It can be done manually through recovery by resetting battery stats, or easily through an app like this one (you must be rooted).
how u do it without rooted and i heard discharging 3 times and fully charging works? any update on that
There's lots of different "methods" floating around about how to calibrate your battery, many of which actually don't make much sense. The ones that do make sense to me involve deleting the batterystats.bin file. That app TeeJay3800 linked to pretty much does just that. For rooted devices, all the ClockworkMod recoveries have an option to delete battery stats in the Advanced menu.
I think this file is located somewhere in /data but I don't know off the top of my head. I also don't know if root is required to delete this file. Maybe try finding it with Terminal Emulator and attempt to delete it. If that doesnt work, then you'll probably have to root the device (or maybe just temproot it).
yea i did it yesturday nad today its still bad about to attept 3rd charge and im waiting till it dies it went from 39% to 19% within an hour wtf is this??? im waitign till ti dies then recharge to fully
i also did this wthich is good but will it mess anything up if the phone is brand new and is charging fine
Connect the phone to the charger with the phone powered on, and allow the phone to charge until the notification LED is green, indicating the device is fully charged.
Disconnect the phone from the charger, and power it off.
Reconnect the phone to the charger with the phone powered off, and allow the phone to charge until the notification LED is green.
Disconnect the phone from the charger and power it on.
Once the phone is powered completely on, power it off again and reconnect it to the charger until the notification LED is green.
Disconnect the phone, power it on, and use it. You need to use this sequence only once.
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i also did this . . .
Connect the phone to the charger with the phone powered on, and allow the phone to charge until the notification LED is green, indicating the device is fully charged.
Disconnect the phone from the charger, and power it off.
Reconnect the phone to the charger with the phone powered off, and allow the phone to charge until the notification LED is green.
Disconnect the phone from the charger and power it on.
Once the phone is powered completely on, power it off again and reconnect it to the charger until the notification LED is green.
Disconnect the phone, power it on, and use it. You need to use this sequence only once.
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This is "bump charging" and all it does is try to fill up your battery as much as possible. It's like topping off at the gas station. It won't do much as far as battery calibration. You may see a minor improvement in battery life after a bump charge, but you'll have to do it each time you charge.
Keep in mind that battery life is dependent on many factors, including your usage pattern. Improving battery life is a matter of being mindful and selective about what connections you leave open (bluetooth, GPS, WiFi, account sync) and what apps you let run. Screen usage plays a role as well. Network signal strength also plays a part, but that's not something you can control. Don't use taskillers, they cause more problems than they solve.
I'm assuming you're still on the stock ROM. If that's the case, you should be aware that there's lots of extra stuff on there that runs in the background to support the HTC Sense overlay. The biggest improvement in battery for me was (a) flashing a custom ROM without all that junk on it and (b) flashing a custom kernel which both underclocks the CPU and uses lower voltage settings.
If after all these considerations you still think your battery is borked, head over to a T-Mobile store. They may give just you a new one, otherwise it'll probably cost you not very much.
I dunno if this phenomena is normal with the NC, or if it's happening ONLY in my NC.
I've noticed that whenever my NC's battery is low*, you cannot turn it on anymore. That's all well and good, because I would like to keep it turned off while it's being charged. I reckon it'll make it faster to charge because it doesn't use that much power in that state.
The problem is: IT DOESN'T STAY THAT WAY.
In my case, as soon as the NC's battery level reaches 9%, it AUTOMATICALLY TURNS ON. And whenever I try to turn it off again WHILE THE USB CABLE CHARGER IS PLUGGED IN, it AUTOMATICALLY TURNS BACK ON AGAIN, which is extremely annoying since I don't typically use it while it's being charged. For me it wastes a lot of time because it would've been faster to charge it while it's turned off.
Anyone knows who can help me out on this?
1st Question: I want to be able to charge my NC while it's turned off. Is it possible?
2nd Question:
Is there a way to override the rule where it needs to have at least 15% power before you can turn it on?
I think I read in one of your posts you're using CM7... If that's the case... after your nook is connected and charging.... or after it turns itself back on....
Press and hold power until the power menu comes up
Select Power Off in the menu
It won't power back on automatically when you shut it down that way.
Are you sure that pressing the power button doesn't turn off the screen?
Cause I think that mine works this way while charging.
Unleashed from Nook Color on Cm7 Nightly 162 @1.200Mhz
I get the screen/charge thing too on nightly 150. Plug it in, turn screen off, look back in a few minutes, screen is on! I like to watch a video in bed while I drift off with it on slow charge but the screen is still on in the morning.
I was planning to use Tasker to fix this but haven't got very far yet.
I turn mine off all the time when I am charging. The only time it turns back on is if there is a power interruption.
I've seen many threads/posts talking about charging NC.
My case:
Once plugging for charging, it turns ON. I (or we) have to turn the screen off. Note: just turn the SCREEN off, not turn the NOOKcolor off.
I've had the same 'nook turning on when charging' on all roms tried - CM7, MIUI and MN Nook stock - and always wondered why??
In any event, i too also just turn the screen off.
cheers,
votinh said:
I've seen many threads/posts talking about charging NC.
My case:
Once plugging for charging, it turns ON. I (or we) have to turn the screen off. Note: just turn the SCREEN off, not turn the NOOKcolor off.
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I always turn it completely off as it charges faster. There is no harm in doing so.
patruns said:
I always turn it completely off as it charges faster. There is no harm in doing so.
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You can do that but it just takes longer time to get ready after you unplug the charge, with screen off, all you need is light press the N or the power button.
Additionally, don't know about CM7 but with stock OS, B&N clearly indicate that we need to turn screen off, NOT the NC off when charging.
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You can do that but it just takes longer time to get ready after you unplug the charge, with screen off, all you need is light press the N or the power button.
Additionally, don't know about CM7 but with stock OS, B&N clearly indicate that we need to turn screen off, NOT the NC off when charging.
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Because there's no way to turn it off and it not reboot with power using stock AOS... it always behaves exactly like CM7 does if you hold the power button to turn it off... it reboots if power is connected... with CM7 you can select the power off option in the power long press menu and it will stay off.