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What is the like for like performance of the 1 gig chip in the shift. ie what is the approx equivalent in pentium terms.
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Well at the moment the Shift is still waiting to be released so i cant tell you for sure but most umpc's have a 800mhz processor like the Shift the highest i know of in a umpc is 1.33 Ghz so it wont be that bad but wait for the official reviews first.
Hi guys,
I wanted to know which of these versions is better. 32A has more RAM memory, but 32B has better chipset, with 65nm technology, but same speed.
If I could choose, which one should I get? 32A?
Thanks you!
32A have the 7200A CPU and as far as I know it's a 65nm.
From the wiki:
* PVT32A handsets have 288MB total RAM (192MB usable by OS - same as Hero handsets) and use the Qualcomm MSM7200A CPU.
* PVT32B handsets have 192MB total RAM (96MB usable by OS) and use the Qualcomm MSM7201A CPU.
kirkusss said:
32A have the 7200A CPU and as far as I know it's a 65nm.
From the wiki:
* PVT32A handsets have 288MB total RAM (192MB usable by OS - same as Hero handsets) and use the Qualcomm MSM7200A CPU.
* PVT32B handsets have 192MB total RAM (96MB usable by OS) and use the Qualcomm MSM7201A CPU.
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PVT32A should be based on 90nm architecture and PVT32B on 65nm.
I'm not sure if it makes more difference than the RAM size.
dun understand why htc used a poor processor for their newer phones?
farbird said:
dun understand why htc used a poor processor for their newer phones?
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I thought they are essentially the same processor but with 65nm technology (which in theory, should consume less power but not sure in this case)?
Speed-wise, is there any differences between the two?
farbird said:
dun understand why htc used a poor processor for their newer phones?
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Or why they reduced RAM size on PVT32B devices... They used newev chipset (yhbae01 is right - same speed but less power consumption, and a bit better performance) but reduced RAM...
Anyways, anyone knows answer to my question? Is PVT32A better than PVT32B, and WHY?
farbird said:
dun understand why htc used a poor processor for their newer phones?
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Or why they reduced RAM size on PVT32B devices... They used newev chipset (yhbae01 is right - same speed but less power consumption, and a bit better performance) but reduced RAM...
Anyways, anyone knows answer to my question? Is PVT32A better than PVT32B, and WHY?
You also need to take into account the radio frequencies. As far as I know, the US T-Mobile devices (32B) have less RAM but run on the 1700/2100 MHz 3G frequencies, while the Canadian Rogers devices (32A) have more RAM but run on the 850/1900 MHz 3G frequencies.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Magic#cite_note-HTC_Magic_.28Rogers.29_Specs-0)
before buy
Hi,
i am located in the EU and have the possibility to buy either 32A or 32B which supports my 3G network (only from ebay). i found that 32A-s are really rare and are about 1.4x more expensive than 32B-s. its that +~100Mb RAM so important it is worth to pay for? i am a little bit confused till i have read about the swap to SD possibility, the better processor of 32B etc etc. could someone experienced with magic give me a clear understanding on the 'real' difference of the 2 types (i know all the technical specs).
sry for my english
rm
ratson said:
Hi,
i am located in the EU and have the possibility to buy either 32A or 32B which supports my 3G network (only from ebay). i found that 32A-s are really rare and are about 1.4x more expensive than 32B-s. its that +~100Mb RAM so important it is worth to pay for? i am a little bit confused till i have read about the swap to SD possibility, the better processor of 32B etc etc. could someone experienced with magic give me a clear understanding on the 'real' difference of the 2 types (i know all the technical specs).
rm
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Speed wise I have never heard any discussion of 32A or B being different. Ditto for battery life. The RAM is a the big deal. Lets you run more apps without worrying about swapping. The phone definitely gets slower once it starts swapping apps in and out. If I had the choice I would get the 32A over the B.
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Speed wise I have never heard any discussion of 32A or B being different. Ditto for battery life. The RAM is a the big deal. Lets you run more apps without worrying about swapping. The phone definitely gets slower once it starts swapping apps in and out. If I had the choice I would get the 32A over the B.
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Hi,
thank you for the information. So you think i would feel the lack of RAM on 32B... and what about 32A, will it run out of memory sooner or later, or under normal circumstances will it be enough?
thank you in advance
ratson said:
Hi,
thank you for the information. So you think i would feel the lack of RAM on 32B... and what about 32A, will it run out of memory sooner or later, or under normal circumstances will it be enough?
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66 apps (assorted games, tools and productivity) and still have 213 Mb available. Apps with really big data requirements (GPS with local maps) tend to have their datasets on the SD card and many apps also use the SD for storage. So I would say you are good for Flash memory space. You could solve this with Apps2SD but most 32A ROM developers s don't see the need/demand.
In terms of running apps, you will notice a slowdown once the RAM gets filled up and swapping becomes an issue. Just install a task manager (liek TasKiller) and kill running apps that you don't need at the time. Once launched, apps continue running until you end them and most apps are designed without a quit/end function so they stay resident in memory.
Oh, C'mon! Doesn't anyone want to field the *real* answer?
If you plan on using a "stock" ROM without the HTC SenseUI, a 32b should be *ok*...
...but if you'd like the option of have SenseUI be lag-free (or more so, anyway) a 32a device is a better option.
Either way, how can you argue *against* the extra RAM?!?!
Here's an example:
I have the option of buy a new PC with either 4GB of RAM or 2GB of RAM...which one is going to feel "snappier" or more responsive?
Answer: the one with more RAM.
I've used a stock T-Mobile G1 to run SenseUI and it was *painful*. The ROM devs have made an insane amount of progress, and I'm sure that HTC has taken advantage of some of that.
I'm now using an HTC Rogers Magic (32a) on AT&T in the U.S...on which Sense runs *much* more smoothly...but I still prefer the Cyanogen ROMs, as they're more responsive still.
(it's for sale, BTW)
nolsen311 said:
If you plan on using a "stock" ROM without the HTC SenseUI, a 32b should be *ok*...
...but if you'd like the option of have SenseUI be lag-free (or more so, anyway) a 32a device is a better option.
Either way, how can you argue *against* the extra RAM?!?!
Here's an example:
I have the option of buy a new PC with either 4GB of RAM or 2GB of RAM...which one is going to feel "snappier" or more responsive?
Answer: the one with more RAM.
I've used a stock T-Mobile G1 to run SenseUI and it was *painful*. The ROM devs have made an insane amount of progress, and I'm sure that HTC has taken advantage of some of that.
I'm now using an HTC Rogers Magic (32a) on AT&T in the U.S...on which Sense runs *much* more smoothly...but I still prefer the Cyanogen ROMs, as they're more responsive still.
(it's for sale, BTW)
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Well there is a little more into it than the Rom itself. How many apps and widgets you have running and how much ram consuming is the apps/games you're gonna use. I know that you have have task managers and so on but if i'm a businessman who need and want some apps to be running in the background constantly i would defiantly feel a difference from the 32a and 32b even when running a stock rom without sense UI!
From as far as I have read (hours of googling). both msm7200A and msm7201A are 65nm.
What I have read:
The A is 65nm and non-A is 90nm.
7200 is before the patent issue filed by broadcom and the 7201 has a patent issue workaround.
The workaround has a small performance impact from what I have read.
greets
(p.s. sorry for the bump of this old thread, but I was googling on several overclocks of these cpu's and came across these details as well. So I tought it would be interesting to share ...)
Hi everybody,
is it possible to install Android on my T3238+ clone running WM:
These are the specs:
CPU Marvell PXA300 624MHz
ROM 256 MB
RAM 128 MB
Display 240x320 QVGA 65536 colors
Bluetooth 2.0
WI-FI B/G
Internal GPS
The hw is mostly the same as the Sciphone N19/N21
I've also seen that there is a dual boot application to choose which OS boot.
Waiting some response...
Thanks in advance
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Hi everybody,
is it possible to install Android on my T3238+ clone running WM:
These are the specs:
CPU Marvell PXA300 624MHz
ROM 256 MB
RAM 128 MB
Display 240x320 QVGA 65536 colors
Bluetooth 2.0
WI-FI B/G
Internal GPS
The hw is mostly the same as the Sciphone N19/N21
I've also seen that there is a dual boot application to choose which OS boot.
Waiting some response...
Thanks in advance
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Not yet, coz each design house uses different LCD/Camera/TP...etc... Andriod will not work even on a very small change! I am quite familiar with 3238+, I will try to post it if they have the tool and image ready!
hakkinen60 said:
Not yet, coz each design house uses different LCD/Camera/TP...etc... Andriod will not work even on a very small change! I am quite familiar with 3238+, I will try to post it if they have the tool and image ready!
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Thanks a lot, I'll stay tuned
m4dbra1n said:
Thanks a lot, I'll stay tuned
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Got some not so good news for u! I asked the guy who assembly the T3238+ yesterday, and he told me that unless he got an order for more than 1000pcs....otherwise he won't spend effort to make it work on 3238+. There will be a lot of new models comming out after CNY(Chinese new year), and price will be around USD120-140. Keep u inform then! Right now there is a clone(1:1) HERO that runs on WM6.5 and track ball. The tooling is really nice....and more important is that I can provide u technical support on this model...... lol Cheers!
Hero clone
How can I buy one of the Hero clones from you?
ok pdadb says 256 gsmartena says 368 the phone itsefl says 268.
whats the deal guys?
Android 1.6 limits the amount of ram that is available for the phone to use. After we are able to upgrade to 2.1, you will see the full 368.
Sent from my X10a using Tapatalk
i did read somewehe that 1.6 limits as to what ram we are told ie even if we had 512 wede still be using 512 but would only ever read 256. ur explanation sounds much better
Well.. if you did make a new thread about the RAM i will ask something to.
I read a thread here, and someone put this benchmark:
Motorola Droid 20.7 FPS (Android 2.0).
Nexus One 27.6 FPS. (Android 2.1) 512 RAM
Acer Liquid 34 FPS. (Android 1.6)
Xperia X10 34FPS+ est. (Android 1.6) 386 RAM
It is a bit strange that our X10 with less ram and a slower OS is the best performer in this benchmark.
So what do you think?
berbecverde said:
Well.. if you did make a new thread about the RAM i will ask something to.
I read a thread here, and someone put this benchmark:
Motorola Droid 20.7 FPS (Android 2.0).
Nexus One 27.6 FPS. (Android 2.1) 512 RAM
Acer Liquid 34 FPS. (Android 1.6)
Xperia X10 34FPS+ est. (Android 1.6) 386 RAM
It is a bit strange that our X10 with less ram and a slower OS is the best performer in this benchmark.
So what do you think?
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Ive seen that benchmark be posted here too. It holds little credibility since we don't know its source or what the benchmark was even about.
was it speed benchmark or graphic benchmark? If it was graphic therefore the phone got higher score due to 65k colors screen as the GPU doenst need to full load as the 16M screen^^. Anyway its still a bit strange, cuz the Droid should get higher score as its GPU is much better than Nexus One (maybe cuz of Froyo). It should be like this in term of graphic Nexus One < X10 < Droid, I dunno about Liquid one
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KurskS said:
was it speed benchmark or graphic benchmark? If it was graphic therefore the phone got higher score due to 65k colors screen as the GPU doenst need to full load as the 16M screen^^. Anyway its still a bit strange, cuz the Droid should get higher score as its GPU is much better than Nexus One (maybe cuz of Froyo). It should be like this in term of graphic Nexus One < X10 < Droid, I dunno about Liquid one
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droid has the worest gpu sgx 530 which is able to output 7 m triangles only while snapdragon gives 22 m triangles
also apparently sizes of ram arent able to be used over 256m until froyo
Hello Guys what do you think about the new Version of WP ...
Do you think it is Possible on our HD² ?
Mod Edit: Edited post to something readable...
OMG you just kill my eyes, who can this be possible
Hello Guys what do you think about my awesome choice of colour
do you think you will be able to see ever again!!
just read an article. confirmed that almost all if not, every single phone running WP7 will not be able to run WP8. WP7 users will get the 7.8 update. Adding some of the features of 8 to us 7 users.
My hd2
ayopancheezy said:
just read an article. confirmed that almost all if not, every single phone running WP7 will not be able to run WP8. WP7 users will get the 7.8 update. Adding some of the features of 8 to us 7 users.
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We all know by now that our lovely HD2 is either a wp7 or wp8 phone and not even an android phone yet we have seen it rock the mobile world just fine. I really hope the developer who have given my HD2 a very happy and long life will still push to the edge to see if there is any chance of getting wp8 on HD2.
Thank you and hoping for the best
after some research and some articles i have read today.
there's no chance to run WP8 on HD2. maybe we can get 7.8
as blackinaction said, the same was claimed for WP7 and we do have it now on our HD2. No one can be sure that we will not have WP8 also.
We'll see what cotulla say about wp8 on HD2 when first rom would be released.
btw MAGLDR 2.0 will be released soon.
i hope the HD2 sees the light of WP8. I hope there are more apps and everything.
I wouldn't hold my breath on further development on the HD2 beyond 7.8. Besides a handful of cooks development has come to a halt.
I think that WP8 will be available for our HD2 !! I think really !
Nixeus said:
I think that WP8 will be available for our HD2 !! I think really !
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Long live HD2, Windows Phone 8 will be here, let's pray
of course GOD cotulla will bring WP8 to HD2.:good:
Must...have!
will release today
Hardware limitations is the only factor that would prevent us from having wp8 on the hd2 but the chefs never cease to amaze me..
Long live the hd2 and prosper!:highfive:
blackinaction said:
We all know by now that our lovely HD2 is either a wp7 or wp8 phone and not even an android phone yet we have seen it rock the mobile world just fine. I really hope the developer who have given my HD2 a very happy and long life will still push to the edge to see if there is any chance of getting wp8 on HD2.
Thank you and hoping for the best
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Yes, that was what I thought. Imagine if HD2 could only be stuck in the jurassic WM 6.5 with Sense with all the hardware it has? Wow...
I put WM 8773 ROM in my HD2 (came out from 1,5years into WM6.5) and wow... It's simply incredible.
I think HD2 does have hardware to support WP8... Maybe not for some games, but in general, I'm pretty sure.
Hoping for the best!
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Yes, that was what I thought. Imagine if HD2 could only be stuck in the jurassic WM 6.5 with Sense with all the hardware it has? Wow...
I put WM 8773 ROM in my HD2 (came out from 1,5years into WM6.5) and wow... It's simply incredible.
I think HD2 does have hardware to support WP8... Maybe not for some games, but in general, I'm pretty sure.
Hoping for the best!
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I agree
I heard that HTC will release 3 cell phones for WP8
HTC Rio
RAM : 512 MB
CPU: 1 or 2 cores Qualcomm
Display: WVGA 400 x 800
4 inch
14.4Mbps HSPA
HTC Accord
RAM: 1024 MB
CPU: 2 cores Qualcomm S4 Plus
Camera : 8 MP - 1080p video ..ـــ 30fps
Display: 720p - Super LCD 2
4.3 inch
42Mbps HSPA+
NFC Support
HTC Zenith
RAM: 2048 MB
CPU : Quad Core Qualcomm
Camera : 12 MP - 1080p video ..more than ـــ 40 fps
Display: 720p - Super LCD 2
4.7 inch
42Mbps HSPA+
NFC Support
So If you compare HD2 with these 3 phones, we can understand that HD2 is equal HTC RIO
the only problem I think, is DRIVERS.
of cotulla or other cookers can solve the driver issue, we will have WP8 on our HD2 as the first people.
Mehrdad201 said:
I agree
I heard that HD2 will release 3 cell phones for WP8
HTC Rio
RAM : 512 MB
CPU: 1 or 2 cores Qualcomm
Display: WVGA 400 x 800
4 inch
14.4Mbps HSPA
HTC Accord
RAM: 1024 MB
CPU: 2 cores Qualcomm S4 Plus
Camera : 8 MP - 1080p video ..ـــ 30fps
Display: 720p - Super LCD 2
4.3 inch
42Mbps HSPA+
NFC Support
HTC Zenith
RAM: 2048 MB
CPU : Quad Core Qualcomm
Camera : 12 MP - 1080p video ..more than ـــ 40 fps
Display: 720p - Super LCD 2
4.7 inch
42Mbps HSPA+
NFC Support
So If you compare HD2 with these 3 phones, we can understand that HD2 is equal HTC RIO
the only problem I think, is DRIVERS.
of cotulla or other cookers can solve the driver issue, we will have WP8 on our HD2 as the first people.
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Interesting... But I wonder the video-card of HD2, if it'll still be able to run "60 fps" interface and the games. And HD2 (at least mine) only shows 372mb RAM, added to the high-heat, which means I guess that the phone is working hard a lot to keep the OS stable and smooth with all the features.
Well, this is a strong cellphone, I hope it can run also WP8 smoothly and so do we all.
ctito said:
Interesting... But I wonder the video-card of HD2, if it'll still be able to run "60 fps" interface and the games. And HD2 (at least mine) only shows 372mb RAM, added to the high-heat, which means I guess that the phone is working hard a lot to keep the OS stable and smooth with all the features.
Well, this is a strong cellphone, I hope it can run also WP8 smoothly and so do we all.
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I tested WP7.5 and also Android on my HD2
in my idea, heat is significantly more when I am running Android.
and HD2 has 576 MB of ram.
And finally we have to wait for the future news.....