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Does anyone have an expected release date for this yet? I may be moving from the UK to the US soon so just wondering what to get and where to get it!
HTC insn't going into full scale production untill autumn.
And it's usefullness in the USA wil be somewhat limited.
It only has Tri band GSM so will be incompatible with some networks, also the 3G radio is a different standard in the USA to the Euro 3G - CDMA V W-CDMA I believe, but I'm sure someone will highlight what the acronym is. Thats why no USA networks have expressed any desire to release the Universal - maybe there will be another model bought out for the USA markets...
There will be a USA release eventually. HTC would be stupid to not make a version of the Universal that worked well in the USA.
There's lots of speculation on various message boards that HTC has already created a USA version of the Universal. Supposedly, it's being called "Apache" while it's still in testing.
There are lots of people in the USA using HTC devices right now. I can't imagine HTC deciding not to accept anymore money from those USA customers.
Pretty much everyone with an HTC device (or any other brand of Pocket PC for that matter) will give the Universal serious consideration when it's released. If HTC just ignored them, well that would not be a sound business decision.
Expect a version of the Universal to be released in the USA for use on the new EVDO networks (Sprint and Verizon).
Now Sprint and Verizon may decide not to carry the device, but I fully expect HTC to at least offer it to them.
do sprint and verizon even offer gsm(sim) cards? i bought my jam from dubai when i was over there for summer vacation and now i'm using it with cingular. and if the device is released in the US it would be a while after its released in the UK and rest of the world. If you haven't noticed USA is really behind in the cell phone market.
USA may be behind in the cell phone market, but all of the previous HTC products were released in the USA, so I don't see why the Universal would be any different.
The Wizard will be released in the USA, so why not the Universal? I could definitely see HTC ,aking a version for the USA. And probably making a CDMA version as well.
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Sorry Guys, But Cellphone Networks in USA sux! Your mobile phone carries got the "older model" planns to sell devices. Europe and Asia is at leats 5 years advanced than USA.
Here in Brazil GSM Networks are since 2002 so we got euro carriers with new terminals, 3G is already here.
HTC is preparing a special edition for you guys
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What are you talking about? USA networks may be behind, in general, but both Sprint and Verizon have EVDO networks. That is pretty up to date technology.
HTC may very well be preparing a special version, but I highly doubt Brazil is getting anyting more technically advanced than the USA (from HTC at least)...
HTC sent the same Harrier and Blue Angel to the USA that they sent everywhere else. HTC is also sending the same Wizard to the USA that they sent everywhere else. Why should the Universal be any different?
Well, it might be a little different (hopefully it will be made for CDMA/EVDO).
your carriers are well behind the uk and most of the rest of the world-maybe not 5 years though!the universal will be the same as the jam release wise-asia then europe then the us.just a shame your carriers are so slow that they cannot utilise the new technology the universal bringsand what is with using a different frequency (850) is it just to be awkward?!lol.l have no doubts the universal will be available everywhere including the us
First off, I have to say that the Apache is not a CDMA version of the universal. Rather, it is a CDMA version of the wizard.
Second, yes the USA networks are a little behind the rest of the world. It sucks that we have to wait for new devices months after they have been released to the rest of the world. However, that may be changing. Check out the last couple pages of this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=22813&start=125
It is looking more and more like the new 6700 sprint will be releasing is the Apache. Right now the target release date is sometime from August to October. This would be amazing because it would be (as far as I know) the first 5.0 device released anywhere. It would be released in the US before Europe and Asia, and it would even be release before the wizard was released anywhere.
So maybe the US is catching up. Here's hoping
The USA networks are not lagging behind Europe and Asia. At least not all of them. Again, both Sprint and Verizon have EVDO networks. That is not lagging in any way. EVDO is a 3G technology, and it fully supports all the features on any of todays cell phones (even the Universal). The only thing is the networks are CDMA. But CDMA is not lagging behing the rest of the world either.
Actaully saltydawg, only verizon has EV-DO right now. Sprint won't be lauch there's till the end of the year. We should start seeing EV-DO phones coming out soon though.
As for what I said abou the USA being behind, that was mainly in reference to the delay in getting new phones to the US.
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Sprint does have EVDO right now man. Currently the only devices that officially support it are laptop data cards. People have got it working on their PPC-6600's as well though.
But yes, we should start seeing lots more EVDO devices released soon...
You have got to be kidding me if you think US networks do not lag behind European networks. By the time we get something new, Europe is already moved on to the next best thing. We are at least 2-3 if not 5-7 years behind.
SaltyDawg,
That makes more sense. I guess they just aren't really promoting that. It's pretty cool that some of the 6600s have got that to work though. There is supposed to be an official sprint update for the 6600 coming out in october I think.
Zach
We can argue all day about whether or not the US lags behind in mobile network technology. Whan I can say is that when US carriers decide to go with a technology, it does take awhile to rollout.
HOWEVER, let's think about this. All of the countries we're being compared to are approx 10% of the size of the US. Individual European countries and their respective carriers have NO IDEA what a rollout in the US takes in terms of material, resources, and most importantly, money. Even the whole of Europe doesn't compare in size to the Continental USA.
Cut us a break, guys...
GSM Technology in the US
well, you can argue all day about this but i would say that the US is way behind but we've been catching up some how ... the three main countries which keep on using CDMA is the US, Japan& Korea ... so if anybody really wants a really good phone for the verizon and sprint networks just look at what's available in japan ... they actually have 8.0Mp camera phones out ... while everybody's working on catching up here in the US ... Verizon is actually owned by VODAFONE that is why verizon was first in coming out with 3G with the help of their cousins across the pond ... which i am wondering why t-mobile doesn't use their connection being t-mobile ... the largest global wireless company (they have service in most of the countries in the industrialized world ... they even have dibs on singtel which is one of the powerful wireless carriers in asia) ...
t-mobile usa and t-mobile uk don't even work together (as per comment by one of the tech support people from t-mobile usa) ... i was trying to set up blackberry connect on my Sony Ericsson P910i which was from T-Mobile UK but our friends from T-Mobile US told me that they can't assist me ... so i ended up doing it myself ... as usual ....
hopefully the US gets hold of more phones, marketing somewhat sucks y'know ... i guess it's all about the blackberry over here in the US .... which, personally has an ugly interface and worse conventional phones which are almost as expensive as Palm, Pocket PC, and Symbian devices ...
Well the bottom line is not all USA networks a lagging way behind Europe and Asia. At least not anymore. Sprint and Verizon both have EVDO. EVDO is a 3G technology. So no way can anyone say Sprint and Verizon are lagging way behind Europe and Asia.
Now the phones they release on those networks may be a different story. But again, that has nothing to do with HTC. HTC releases the same phones in the USA that they release in Europe and Asia. So anyone saying HTC won't release the Universal in the USA is not looking at the recent history. And anyone saying all USA networks are lagging behind Europe and Asia is not looking at the present. Sprint and Verizon, with their EVDO, specifically.
UMTS in the USA
All I can say is soon, as in September/October UMTS will be deployed in 9 major cities in the US. The carrier in question already has a re-branded BlueAngel for sale. Word from marketing is that shortly after UMTS is deployed they will start carrying one of the re-branded HTC Universal devices .
First post from my new Rogers magic. Thought I would start a thread for Rogers users to discuss it. So far I'm loving the form factor compared to the g1!
Haven't rooted yet...
Thanks for the report. Could you confirm which umts band it has? Do you think if it will compatible with ATT and TMO-US's networks? Thanks.
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Thanks for the report. Could you confirm which umts band it has? Do you think if it will compatible with ATT and TMO-US's networks? Thanks.
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Here you go: GSM/GPRS/EDGE Bands: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
HSPA/UMTS Dual-Band: 850/1900 MHz
Best choice I think would be ATT for the 850 band (I think ATT is on 850?) It will work on Tmobile, but I'm not sure you would have 3G. Obviously being from Canada I'm not as familiar with their spectrums, but I'm sure someone else can confirm.
Same form factor as my HTC Ion.
It will have AT&T 3G since Rogers uses the same bands (850 and 1900).
T-Mobile customers have to wait until the Magic to be launched here in the States.
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First post from my new Rogers magic. Thought I would start a thread for Rogers users to discuss it. So far I'm loving the form factor compared to the g1!
Haven't rooted yet...
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Sweet. Just ordered mine on-line, a little disappointing they only had the Black Magic to choose from.
Congrats!
So is there a website for people living in the U.S. to order a Rogers Magic, or is the Rogers branded Magic only available in Canada?
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So is there a website for people living in the U.S. to order a Rogers Magic, or is the Rogers branded Magic only available in Canada?
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Only available in Canada but you could probably find them on eBay or howardforums B/S/T.
Ok, so if you find a retailer that has the Roger's Magic, would it be unlocked or specifically branded to Rogers, to where you would have to get an unlock code?
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Ok, so if you find a retailer that has the Roger's Magic, would it be unlocked or specifically branded to Rogers, to where you would have to get an unlock code?
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I THINK, but don't quote me on this, that if you root the device you should be able to use it on other networks that use the same frequencies. I'm happy to be corrected if that's not the case...
Dang, so I take it...it comes locked specifically for Rogers only? The last thing I want to do is root my $600 phone and probably...knowing my luck...f*ck it up LOL
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Dang, so I take it...it comes locked specifically for Rogers only? The last thing I want to do is root my $600 phone and probably...knowing my luck...f*ck it up LOL
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Just wait... THere will be enterprising ppl to figure out how to unlock it.
Yea I found two websites that sell the unlocked Vodafone version, IMPORTGSM.com and Timtechs.com but do not know how "GOOD" they are. I also just got an email from Rogers.com stating that their phones do come "locked"....ugh T-mobile USA needs to get on this phone already lol.
T-Mobile will release this within the next 3 weeks (end of June or early July). If you want to take advantage of T-Mobile US 3G, wait for the T-Mobile US version or get the Google Ion.
The Rogers HTC Magic is perfect for AT&T users since it has AT&T 3G bands.
Thanks backviet, read your answer over on howards also. I guess i will just have to wait, like you mentioned.....dang!
Yeah, just got mine as well. Things are looking good so far. Only bad spot is, is the exchange activesync that apparently doesnt work (not sure if it's some sort of extension that is needed...there's not much info on it). Anyone else get a problem synching up exchange and getting a "Failed to create the account" Error?
Going to try to solve that later today...
that's strange...i work at a rogers store and as i was playing with a magic today, and i had no problem connecting to our exchange server. you would think that both are running the same software so exchange support would be the same.
we're sold out of magic's so i won't be able to try it out till we get more.
i'm actually thinking about picking one up as well, although i'm not 100% sold on it, it's def. a much nicer device than the dream, at least imo.
Multimedia
Hey guys, just picked up my Magic yesturday from Rogers and loving it. So much fun. Now I am wondering how do we upload pictures and music and videos onto our phone? I plugged it to my PC but unable to access the MicroSD card. Is there a program manager that needs to be downloaded first? Thanks
How do you Root the Rogers ones ?
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How do you Root the Rogers ones ?
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you cant just yet
Got myself one two days ago when it came, its pretty good... only problem i had was the wifi kept hanging a simple Settings -> Wifi -> menu -> advance > wifi sleep policy to "never" fixed it.... other than that its pretty good i plan to start some development on the android platform
http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/htc-support-site-reveals-hero-for-sprint-snap-for-alltel/
Seems like I'll be getting a Hero in October
does anyone know if the hero will be coming to AT&T??
I think it's ridiculous that AT&T hasn't picked up ANY android devices yet.
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does anyone know if the hero will be coming to AT&T??
I think it's ridiculous that AT&T hasn't picked up ANY android devices yet.
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Well, didn't it go to the FCC with AT&T bands?
Nahh. I dont think it will be going to ATT!
Its pretty much comfirmed by now that it will be coming to Sprint. Sucks for me but guess ill be moving.
im gonna go sell my HTC Hero which arrives tomorrow and just wait for the us Version.
Yes, 850 & 1900 3G bands were passed for the HERO on the FCC side. How much you wanna bet it goes to Rogers before AT&T. I think that's why it was passed thru the FCC which is fine by me as that model will work fine thru AT&T 3G bands here in the USA.
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Yes, 850 & 1900 3G bands were passed for the HERO on the FCC side. How much you wanna bet it goes to Rogers before AT&T. I think that's why it was passed thru the FCC which is fine by me as that model will work fine thru AT&T 3G bands here in the USA.
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have you checked the new rumors and sources...
There was a link on HTC website support page which stated
"HTC HERO (Sprint)"
dont believe me try this:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/htc-support-site-reveals-hero-for-sprint-snap-for-alltel/
i take the FCC approval as better news that its coming to ATT than HTC website showin HTC Hero (Sprint)...that does not show enough evidence that it will release on sprint...typo or or whatever can happen...we just have to wait and see...waiting for more news on the sony xperia x3 snap dragon thats a beast of a android phone.
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i take the FCC approval as better news that its coming to ATT than HTC website showin HTC Hero (Sprint)...that does not show enough evidence that it will release on sprint...typo or or whatever can happen...we just have to wait and see...waiting for more news on the sony xperia x3 snap dragon thats a beast of a android phone.
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There is far more evidence to support a Sprint release than an ATT release. The FCC approval could easily be for an unlocked 3G version of the device, and have nothing to do with ATT. Everyone just assumed it was for ATT. Live in denial all you want, but it's looking more and more likely that the Hero is coming to Sprint. A typo as specific as that is just way to unlikely.
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There is far more evidence to support a Sprint release than an ATT release. The FCC approval could easily be for an unlocked 3G version of the device, and have nothing to do with ATT. Everyone just assumed it was for ATT. Live in denial all you want, but it's looking more and more likely that the Hero is coming to Sprint. A typo as specific as that is just way to unlikely.
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Or maybe, just maybe, it's coming to both. One interesting note is that the FCC document is called NM8_HOT. NM8 is used to identify HTC as it relates to the FCC. I was wondering if HOT might actually be H(er)OT where T is also AT&T's stock symbol. I dunno...
I don't like Sprint but I welcome any Android devices on more carriers. The more widespread it is, the more end users and developers we'll get.
the model that passed the FCC could merely be a version for Canada or Latin America. one of the Omnia's passed the FCC with AT&T's 3G bands, but it turned out that it was bound for Latin America, which I guess uses the same bands as AT&T does. I'd love to get this phone, but idk if I'm willing to pay the full unlocked price from Clove, especially taking into account all the issues I've read and heard about the lagging and such. if it had a better processor, then I'd consider buying an unlocked one, but since it doesn't, I think I'll be waiting for a better Android phone. possibly the Sony Ericsson one
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the model that passed the FCC could merely be a version for Canada
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While I'm eagerly waiting for the HTC Hero to come to Canada, is there any specific reason why the FCC has to file and go over phone destined for Canada or Latin America?
I was looking at the best deal i could get on the HD2 when i heard about the US version, has there been any news on the 'upgraded' US version coming to anywhere else? Namely the UK? I dont want to sign up to a contract to then see the better version released
Or would an imported handset from the US work in the UK?
3g high speed data wouldn't work in the uk. and before you ask no, flashing a different rom or radio wouldn't fix that, the frequencies are built into the hardware.
for the sake of the extra rom in my opinion it isn't worth it and to be honest I suspect they'll be difficult to get as they will be tmobile usa locked.
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I was looking at the best deal i could get on the HD2 when i heard about the US version, has there been any news on the 'upgraded' US version coming to anywhere else? Namely the UK? I dont want to sign up to a contract to then see the better version released
Or would an imported handset from the US work in the UK?
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3g high speed data wouldn't work in the uk. and before you ask no, flashing a different rom or radio wouldn't fix that, the frequencies are built into the hardware.
for the sake of the extra rom in my opinion it isn't worth it and to be honest I suspect they'll be difficult to get as they will be tmobile usa locked.
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I don't see why 3G data wouldn't work. The handset is listed as 1700 (AWS) / 2100.
If it only worked on the T-Mobile USA bands they would have just listed it as 1700 (AWS) [even though it still needs 2100 to work on T-Mobile USA].
Without 2100 the phone could only be used in a tiny handful of countries - well, not even a handful really, which would very much destroy some of the appeal of the phone.
If you really want one then Ebay will be your friend. However considering all the problems this phone has had I wouldn't buy one that I couldn't return or exchange, I really wouldn't.
Oh ok thanks guys, just a thought.
Think i'll plump for the Uk one then & see what happens
Thanks
I asked htc back then, even if thair response was obviously the "commercial" one, it was clear enough, "that version of hd2 has been customized especially for tmobile usa and will not be available elsewhere also because it won't work on other networks." or something along those lines.
I was at the AT&T store today and was talking to a sales rep. I am currently with AT&T on family plan and I told him that I was going to cancel my phone (the primary line) to T-Mobile to pick up the DVP.
Well, he told me that a Microsoft rep told him that T-Mobile had a 45 day exclusivity on the DVP starting from the launch date (11/8). Further, the DVP will be on 3 carriers once the exclusivity runs out. Now the speculation on the other two was Verizon and possibly AT&T.
He also said that the 3 WP7 phones at AT&T were under the 45 day exclusivity as well and that other carriers would be carrying the three devices currently at AT&T.
He wasn't sure if and when all this would happen but if in fact AT&T will be getting the DVP soon, I can hold out a bit longer as the only reason I was planning on switching to Tmo was for the DVP.
Don't mean to start a wild rumor thread but thought I share what I heard and would like to know if others have heard something similar.
Happy Holidays...
Thats interesting news.
I'm on AT&T too and planning to move to TMobile just for this phone. Hope you're right.
That's good news. I currently have a Focus but still miss a hardware keyboard. 45 Days would put it right after the holiday season which would allow carriers to make their money before the agreement ends. Let's hope this is true.
I hope someone will be able to enable tethering on the DVP and that will be perfect.
lies that carriers tell you to keep you. dont know for sure tho
i rather have dvp with webos or android. wp7, ill wait till 2nd or 3rd gen
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lies that carriers tell you to keep you. dont know for sure tho
i rather have dvp with webos or android. wp7, ill wait till 2nd or 3rd gen
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Agreed. I have some doubts that something like this will actuall happen. Nevertheless, I'll give it some time - until the reviews of the new and improved launched (part deux) DVPs.
I'm hoping to hear some more from folks who may knowledge or have heard something similar in the meanwhile.
Would be nice, but I wouldn't hold my breath on this one. If it were true, that would put us 2 weeks out and this would be the first real rumor I've heard. Things like this tend to get leaked in advance. Kind of telling that there hasn't been any FCC filings for the additional radio flavors either. We can still cross our fingers though.
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Would be nice, but I wouldn't hold my breath on this one. If it were true, that would put us 2 weeks out and this would be the first real rumor I've heard. Things like this tend to get leaked in advance. Kind of telling that there hasn't been any FCC filings for the additional radio flavors either. We can still cross our fingers though.
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maybe thats the Dell Venue?
the one with android and without the keyboard?
Another clue might be a statement from Greg Milligan of Microsoft Canada: “the first manufacturers are LG, Samsung, HTC, we’ll have those available here in Canada. We also see Dell coming into the market as well and some other manufacturers in 2011”. (http://mobilesyrup.com/2010/11/29/m...ices-with-hardware-keyboard-coming-to-canada/)
In Canada, AT&T frequencies are dominant right now: ever since Bell and Telus stopped expanding their CDMA network and built an all-3G UMTS/HSPA+ national network on 850/1900, pretty much all their new 3G devices are GSM. Add that to Rogers' existing 850/1900 GSM/EDGE/UMTS/HSPA+ network, and you're looking at AT&T frequency compatibility from our three biggest national carriers. They all launched AT&T-compatible Windows Phone 7 devices last month.
The new "urban" carriers - Wind, Mobilicity, Videotron - are running AWS in major cities. But none of these carriers have launched any WP7 devices.
Dell could just launch the DVP in its current configuration on Wind or Mobilicity (or both). It could also launch the DVP as an EDGE-only device on Rogers (very unlikely). Or, it could build a new DVP with 850/1900 3G support and release it on any combination of Rogers, Bell and Telus for a much larger customer base.
was planning to get the t-mobile version, but i am not sure if i should right now
i am on at&t and i dropped my phone in water last week, want a smartphone so bad right now...
Well, it would appear that HTC HD7 may be headed to AT&T. If so, perhaps this will mean that other "exclusive" phones will find it's way to other carriers. One can only hope...
If Canada gets them, I think we'd be in good shape either way. Their bands are fully compatible, so I wouldn't mind plunking down a few dollars more to get it. However, it would have to be unlocked so that might be an issue (hopefully a short one).
Can't wait!
I had my doubts about this, but it seems quite possible. The FCC has approved two models of the Dell Venue Pro:
FCC ID: E2KV03B002
(https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas...me=N&application_id=218753&fcc_id='E2KV03B002')
3G band tested: AWS
FCC ID: E2KV03B001
(https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas...me=N&application_id=425269&fcc_id='E2KV03B001')
3G bands tested: 850/1900
Note: as far as I can tell, these documents don't preclude the "B001" version from also supporting European 3G on 2100 MHz, since the FCC didn't test the 900/2100 euro bands on the "B002" but we know it has them anyway.
It would only make sense that this would happen.
Dell would be crazy to limit their handsets to the smallest Mobile Carrier in terms of subscribers. Giving Tmobile a leg up is okay but to give it the whole leg would be silly.
I would take the HD7 on the AT&T network as I returned by HD7 on the T-MOBILE network due to signal issues.
I would like to have it on the Sprint Network but that isn't happening anytime soon. I do not like the HD PRO they have rumored to get WP7.
The DVP or the HD7 will be my choices for now. a 4.3" S_LCD on the HD7 would be great/
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Just for the record, 45 days after the 8th of November would be December 23, 2010.
I'll be checking back on that day (and probably sooner, anyway).
I am also anticipating the DVP. :] I'll be waiting for AT&T.
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Well, given recent news of the delay yet again, I wonder if:
1) At this rate, the DVP will be available on AT&T at the same time as T-Mobile
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2) This is vaporware and never make it to AT&T
Utterly disappointed with Dell....
Just got this link from MS
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/buy/7/phones.aspx?cmpid=14303401#detail=1568 and was wondering if these bands will work on AT&T. Anyone know?
hmm.....
it only state UMTS 900 and 2100, which are the frequency the rest of the world use
it didn't even state AWS or 1700
interesting
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Well, three days left (actually, it may be four days, since the 23rd may be the 45th day).
Just for the record, I did a Google search to check for any updates and found this:
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/Windows-Phone-7-Dell-Venue-Pro-Headed-to-ATandT-895659/
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It appears that the eweek article is a collection of blog posts on this topic.
With regards to the 45-day, I'm guessing that we won't hear anything until the new year until the holiday shopping period is over.