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AT&T 3G

I really wish they'd release a version compatible with AT&T 3G. What's it going to take for HTC to realize the demand for their state of the art hardware coupled with a "current gen" OS?

secretasianman said:
I really wish they'd release a version compatible with AT&T 3G. What's it going to take for HTC to realize the demand for their state of the art hardware coupled with a "current gen" OS?
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They should release a radio that supports World Frequency for 3G bands like 850/900/1700/2100. The underlying h/w is capable of 3G bands I belive.
thanks
Ram

Its a Vodafone exclusive phone, as in it won't released on any other network. Why would HTC spend money enabling 3G frequencies, and more to the point why would Vodafone let them when they are the one footing the bill for development costs? Don't gripe at HTC, take your anger out on AT&T for not getting the finger out and doing what Tmobile and now Vodafone are doing.

Sometimes I just hate carriers.

shuflie said:
Its a Vodafone exclusive phone, as in it won't released on any other network. Why would HTC spend money enabling 3G frequencies, and more to the point why would Vodafone let them when they are the one footing the bill for development costs? Don't gripe at HTC, take your anger out on AT&T for not getting the finger out and doing what Tmobile and now Vodafone are doing.
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AT&T can't do it due to the exclusivity agreement with Apple they have. See BlackBerry Storm, Samsung Omnia or HTC Touch Diamond all they have missed and they got HTC Touch Pro because they want to lure the AT&T Tilt subscribers to continue. They are not getting Palm Pre also due to this.
Other reason could be Yahoo!. AT&T roots are SBC and it has a deal with Yahoo! for its search. If they get Android, it is going to be all Google, which is contra to their policy.
I may be wrong too.
--Ram--

HTC Magic available for Rogers Wireless June 2nd Canada
Rogers Wireless announced the availability of the Magic and Dream, June 2nd. Rogers supports the 850 band that AT&T uses. Of course these phones will be locked. Rumoured retail price will be $599 each.

Its coming to tmobile in July for 179 muahahah gonna sell my iphone

HTC Dream is being release in Canada in about 4 hours

I'm very curious to know if I am going to have any problems rooting my phone when I get it and using it on the rogers network here in Halifax, Canada. I don't know if I need to unlock it after getting the new software on it since the software out there expects a US network. I really want this phone badly but I really only want it for the newer features rooting provides. Does anyone know if I should expect any problems even though it the same phone? I wouldn't expect that because it is a different network that I would have problems.
Since it's not officially released yet, rogers will not quote me a price but I can't see it being more than a damn iphone and T-Mobile released it as $179 with contract and still remains the same so besides a difference in Canadian funds plus tax it should not differ that much.

So can anyone shed some light as to whether the firmware will be able to be loaded on the "Canadian Version"?
As far as I can tell all that is new is this....
"On June 2nd, 2009 it will be released through Rogers Communications in Canada as the HTC Dream. This edition of the HTC Dream includes the UMTS 850 / 1900 bands for use on Rogers' 3G network."
I am unsure if this is new hardware or not and I dunno if it will affect the install of the ROM or not. Please help me out! Thanx!

how can we help u since we don't have either the hardware or the firmware yet. It's only ONE day left so calm down

no damnit...too excited!!! lol

HD2 on AT&T

Let's just get this thread started, so we don't have to go searching thru various threads and sites to find out any possible news regarding the HD2 coming to AT&T in the US. This is the basis of this new thread:
grandpanda said:
Somebody reported that he handled a prototype HD2 for ATT-USA. It is scheduled for early 2010 release... I am trying to squeeze more info from him.
Just take it for what it's worth though.
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Grandpanda- my butt is falling asleep! I'm on the edge of my seat, waiting word of this possibility. I was shocked to see the text HD2 and att in the same sentence. Please let us know as soon as you hear anything.

I'm Not Shure what Grandpanda hear but I'm very Interesting to know if the HD2 come to AT&T.

Where would this unit fit in their lineup with the Diamond2 on the lower end & the iPhone on the higher end? Don't get me wrong, I'd be very interested to see this phone come to AT&T, but I'm not sure how they'd manage it...

t-readyroc said:
Where would this unit fit in their lineup with the Diamond2 on the lower end & the iPhone on the higher end? Don't get me wrong, I'd be very interested to see this phone come to AT&T, but I'm not sure how they'd manage it...
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They better find a way to manage it- or they will end up losing a lot of customers that would like the iphone experience with the flexibility of Windows Mobile. I would suspect that could cost them millions of dollars in lost 2-year contracts if Sprint, Verizon, or T-Mobile releases the HD2. What good is it to remain loyal to the iphone while hundreds of loyal customers get fed up I leave. They were already the last one's to release the Touch Pro 2. It's time to take care of the WM users who want the the high-end phones, or they will go elsewhere to escape the iphone prison they are trapped in.

Where it fits in the lineup might be directly related to when their iphone exclusivity ends. I believe it's sometime next year, but I haven't seen a specific date. The other question would be what does the next gen iphone look like relative to the HD2. One thing going for the iphone is it's apparent ease of use, at the expense of flexibility, for the average consumer. It's brought a lot of people into the smartphone ranks and has certainly driven data revenue for ATT. It will be interesting to see what direction Apple takes with the iphone as more and more handsets come to market with similar features and better flexibility.
I use an iphone now, but can't wait to get my hands on an HD2 with ATT 3g, either through them or one brought in from Australia when it launches there.

bugsy said:
Where it fits in the lineup might be directly related to when their iphone exclusivity ends. I believe it's sometime next year, but I haven't seen a specific date. The other question would be what does the next gen iphone look like relative to the HD2. One thing going for the iphone is it's apparent ease of use, at the expense of flexibility, for the average consumer. It's brought a lot of people into the smartphone ranks and has certainly driven data revenue for ATT. It will be interesting to see what direction Apple takes with the iphone as more and more handsets come to market with similar features and better flexibility.
I use an iphone now, but can't wait to get my hands on an HD2 with ATT 3g, either through them or one brought in from Australia when it launches there.
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Is good idea but the 3G band don't work in AT&T HSDPA network,just can connect using EDGE 12 not bad.

mojohio said:
They better find a way to manage it- or they will end up losing a lot of customers that would like the iphone experience with the flexibility of Windows Mobile. I would suspect that could cost them millions of dollars in lost 2-year contracts if Sprint, Verizon, or T-Mobile releases the HD2.
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I couldn't agree w/you more. I'm actually almost already there with the Droid going to Verizon.
bugsy said:
Where it fits in the lineup might be directly related to when their iphone exclusivity ends. I believe it's sometime next year, but I haven't seen a specific date.
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I think you're right on with this assessment.

wonsanim said:
Is good idea but the 3G band don't work in AT&T HSDPA network,just can connect using EDGE 12 not bad.
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You are correct with the current version, but I was referring to if an ATT version is released. I think we can also expect to see a version in Australia if we go by the previous HD release. If that is the case it would have the 850Mhz band which is compatible with ATT.

edited - had the wrong phone

hey bugsy this is a very good idea

bugsy said:
You are correct with the current version, but I was referring to if an ATT version is released. I think we can also expect to see a version in Australia if we go by the previous HD release. If that is the case it would have the 850Mhz band which is compatible with ATT.
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http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2062&c=htc_hd2_us_htc_leo
Lets hope this is true
HTC HD2 US (HTC Leo) Specs
GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS850, UMTS1900

I really hope ATT gets this in a reasonable amount of time. My TP2 is falling apart
However I would be willing to import the Aussie version is it will be compatible.

Alaxar said:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2062&c=htc_hd2_us_htc_leo
Lets hope this is true
HTC HD2 US (HTC Leo) Specs
GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS850, UMTS1900
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+1 = Lets hope that is true. I would spend the extra money and purchse the unlocked one, which would allow us not to have to be held prisoners while other companies release this phone and att chooses not to because of their affinity with the iphone. My question is.....withe the specs of the bands for this particular phone, which carriers would it provide total support for all bands- both Edge and 3G. ATT? T-Mobile? Verizon? Sprint? Would HTC invest in releasing an unlocked HD2 to one of these carriers, but not eventually release a branded carrier-specific one in the near future? It seems like if they spent the time to create it, it would be released by the carrier it supports at a lower discounted price. Either way- just make one with full Att support, and I'll be picking one up the next day!

Alaxar said:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2062&c=htc_hd2_us_htc_leo
Lets hope this is true
HTC HD2 US (HTC Leo) Specs
GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS850, UMTS1900
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Unfortunately, those are "Datasheet State: Preliminary specifications" which means pdadb has know idea till the specs are finalized...

mojohio said:
My question is.....withe the specs of the bands for this particular phone, which carriers would it provide total support for all bands- both Edge and 3G. ATT? T-Mobile? Verizon? Sprint?
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Sprint and Verizon are CDMA networks so the GSM versions of the phone from ATT / Tmobile would not be compatible.

I don't really care if AT&T actually carries the phone officially. I hope that it when it gets released it will just support the AT&T bands. I'm going unbranded if possible! Just want the 3G speed is all!

lantern20 said:
I don't really care if AT&T actually carries the phone officially. I hope that it when it gets released it will just support the AT&T bands. I'm going unbranded if possible! Just want the 3G speed is all!
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Ditto. If you think about it- an ipod Touch costs $450, then you by the HD2 to replace that, as well as serve as your phone. I won't have a problem convincing myself to buy the unbranded US 3G version, as long as it supports all AT&T bands.

If history is a predictor of future behavior, AT&T will be late to the game if it appears at all. Chances are likely that we will only see the 850 mhz 3g band on Telstra (AUS), as it did with the Touch HD with it's hiked up price tag nearing the $1k mark. I hope I'm wrong as I am praying it comes to AT&T as well.

If AT&T is the only carrier (which I doubt because T-Mobile is getting it from all indications) or GSM is only what this phone will do that will suck. I hope CDMA gets it because where I live AT&T and T-Mobile both don't cover our area.

I did send an email to HTC USA about the possibility of an unbranded/unlocked HD2 being produced for the US market and what carriers might be branding the phone for their networks. Not good news at this time but here was their response.
Hello XXXXX,
We thank you for the question about what carriers will have the HD2 in North America and if we are going to create an unlocked version of the HD2 that works on North American 3G networks. We will be more than happy to help you in this situation. Unfortunately we do not have any plans to launch an unlocked version of the HD2 in North America. If this stance changes it would be published as a news release on our American and Canadian websites. As for carriers picking up the device, it is up to them to get the device on their network and sell it. The carrier would be the place to ask in this situation as they usually brand the device as their own and sell it as their own. Anything on the internet that is not on a carriers website or our own can be considered rumor.

GSM Models of HTC Hero: Which is the correct model I should buy?

HELP WANTED TO IDENTIFY HTC HERO MODEL #s, and what they can tell you re the specific version of the Hero you're getting. ADVICE also wanted to buying online.
I've had two HTC WindowsMobile Phones over past 4 years, all through T-Mobile USA, I've been very active @XDA, and now I'm switching to Android. Took me a while to choose which HTC android phone Model I wanted, since my carrier, T-Mobile USA, decided not to carry the Hero.
Yesterday I spent several hours at my T-Mobile store getting a feel for the first time of several Android devices -- including the G1, the myTouch, and the new Motorola Cliq (which I didn't care for at all). So many reviews on YouTube and various Smartphone news & info sites have convinced me the HTC Hero is what I want. And I am giving up 3G data speeds on T-Mobile's USA Network in order to get this phone.
Which Model Do I want?
The "Device database" site that links at the top of every page here at XDA shows all these following versions of the HTC Hero. I want to figure out specifically if one of the models shown was ever put into production, or whether it was just an early prototype while HTC was shopping it around to carriers:
COMPARISON CHART OF HTC HERO MODEL VERSIONS:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=2061&id2=2005&id3=1966&id4=1955&id5=1954
Note Item #1: I have to assume this model was never put into production, and that it was perhaps just a prototype to "sell" to T-Mobile USA to carry this model, and they of course passed.
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But it was also reviewed on YouTube under this specific model name (HTC Hero / T-Mobile G2 Touch)... And so if this model somehow was produced (doubtful), it would be the Hero I'd want to buy, since it would work at 3G speeds on the T-Mobile USA 3G network, which requires bands 1700 and 2100.
Here is the other GSM model listed... I know from researching all of this that T-Mobile UK has the Hero (but only in Black and in White), that Orange UK has it, that Denmark has a version that is gunmetal blue-grey, and that India has a Hero model as well. I don't know which is which in terms of specs.
And then here are the new USA models, for Sprint (released), and Verizon (not yet released):
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Very likely someone will confirm here that the model I buy won't be usable on T-Mobile USA's 3G network.. I've reconciled to that, and STILL want this phone over T-Mo's Android 3G phones: myTouch, Motorola Cliq.
But I want to buy the right model, so is it #2 or #3? At the online stores, mostly all I see is the GSM Hero listed THIS way:
HTC Hero A6262 Quadband 3G HSDPA GPS Unlocked Phone
but I have also seen one listed this way (sold in Singapore):
HTC Hero / HTC A6262 / Google G3
I have spoken to HTC USA -- not a help at all -- I have written to vendors -- they don't know. I have written to PDAdb.net -- no reply So please help me solve this so I can hurry up and order this phone. Thank you!

(1) does not exist, there is no Hero that supports the 1700 band that (only) T-Mobile USA uses. HERO100 is the product number of (2), which is the European/Asian version, and, as I am typing, is currently the only version of Hero with that chin.
(3) is going to be released later this week in Canada with Telus. It should looks exactly the same with HERO100. The only difference is that it supports 850/1900, which Telus and some other carriers in North and South America use for their 3G networks, in particular AT&T in the US. It carries a product number of HERO130. I am not sure if there will be an unlocked version of this phone for retail, but I am sure that people will find a way to unlock the carrier specific version within days.
(5) has released on Sprint, there is not much I can say about it that is not in the pic you posted. It is a CDMA phone, the same goes for (4), which has been renamed to Droid Eris and looks rather different from all its Hero siblings.
If you are sticking with T-Mobile USA, I am sorry but there is no Hero that supports T-Mobile USA 3G network. Don't waste your time looking for one. T-Mobile USA is the only carrier in this world that utilize the 1700 band for its 3G network (no, T-Mobile in the Europe doesn't use 1700). Unless T-Mobile USA was going to carry the Hero on their network, which they had already declined, the chance of having a compatible Hero is very very slim. In this case, HERO100 and HERO130 are the same phone to you. They will run fine on EDGE, but no 3G. If you are gonig to switch to, say, AT&T, then you should go for HERO130 instead of HERO100, since that one is compatible with AT&T's 3G network.

Is the Hero "A6262" the same as the Hero100 ?
Oh, excellent! Leave it to XDA to have clear answers in under 3 hours... vs days of unanswered questions elsewhere. Thank you so much, tsekh501. So, the Hero100 = Europe/Asia model = UMTS 900/2100 = Picture #2. Is this also known as HTC Hero A6262 Quadband 3G HSDPA GPS ? Because the designation "A6262" is the most common way the HTC Hero is denoted at various online vendors' sites.
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(3) is going to be released later this week... it supports 850/1900, which (AT&T) use for their 3G networks...in the US. It carries a product number of HERO130. ...I am not sure if there will be an unlocked version of this phone for retail, but I am sure that people will find a way to unlock the carrier specific version within days.
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The likelihood of my ever contracting with AT&T is so slim -- I plan to never forget their lead role in the domestic spying on every single person in the United States for all phone & internet traffic. This is why I never went for the iphone.
If you are sticking with T-Mobile USA...HERO100 and HERO130 are the same phone to you. They will run fine on EDGE, but no 3G. If you are going to switch to, say, AT&T, then you should go for HERO130 instead of HERO100, since that one is compatible with AT&T's 3G network.
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... But in the event I fell and hurt my head and lost all memory of their criminality, it would be best for me to wait a few weeks until the AT&T branded phones hit the secondary marketplace and are made avail online, unlocked ? (Scratch that. (a) I could not stand to look at that logo everytime I used the phone, and (b) their 3G network is so overtaxed and under-resourced, AT&T has actually been thinking of throttling usage of high-data users like iphone subscribers)
(5) has released on Sprint, there is not much I can say about it that is not in the pic you posted. It is a CDMA phone, the same goes for (4), which has been renamed to Droid Eris and looks rather different from all its Hero siblings.
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I see that now:
(This sounds pretty snide... but who knows, maybe given the Hero's older processor, compared to the new Motorola DROID and the HTC Leo, maybe it's true
CNET: "... it should launch November 6, and it will supposedly run $99 after rebate. That's pretty cheap considering it matches the specs of the $180 Hero ... a bundled 8GB MicroSD card. ...Dan and I were talking about how one of Sprint's flagship phones, what was the premiere Android phone before the Droid came along, will be Verizon's el cheapo Android handset come Friday. The Hero more than warrants the $180 Sprint charges, but Verizon sees it as a last-gen device only worthy of last-gen pricing. That, to us, shows the carrier is really planning to push Android hardware to the next level.
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Thanks -- my first thread in the Hero forum and a home-run reply in post#2. Thanks very much!

Item 1, the T-Mobile G2 Touch does exists - it just doesn't support the bands listed under it. It just a "normal" GSM Hero branded by T-Mobile for its european networks. My guess is that whomever put together that table on PDAnet saw it said T-Mobile and just assumed it would be for T-Mobile US. This is further evidenced by the model number, which remains Hero 100.
To be honest, if you want a GSM Hero, they are all basically the same at the moment with the only differences being the colour and the pre-installed apps in the ROM. For example SEE Hero's don't seem to come with the Market. Oh - an the white Hero is teflon coated too! Allegedly a Canadian network (Rogers?) will be launching a GSM Hero which supports AT&T 3G bands (Hero 130), but that doesn't help you much if you are staying with T-Mobile US.
So, my advice is - pick a colour!
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
Item 1, the T-Mobile G2 Touch does exists - it just doesn't support the bands listed under it. It just a "normal" GSM Hero branded by T-Mobile for its european networks. My guess is that whomever put together that table on PDAnet saw it said T-Mobile and just assumed it would be for T-Mobile US. This is further evidenced by the model number, which remains Hero 100.
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There exists a Hero with the name of (1) T-Mobile G2 Touch, which is basically (2). But there does NOT exists a Hero with the spec listed for (1) above. T-Mobile G2 Touch is (2) branded for T-Mobile in Europe and is NOT compatible with the 3G network of T-Mobile USA.

quicksite said:
... But in the event I fell and hurt my head and lost all memory of their criminality, it would be best for me to wait a few weeks until the AT&T branded phones hit the secondary marketplace and are made avail online, unlocked ? (Scratch that. (a) I could not stand to look at that logo everytime I used the phone, and (b) their 3G network is so overtaxed and under-resourced, AT&T has actually been thinking of throttling usage of high-data users like iphone subscribers)
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No, what I was saying is that this Canadian carrier, Telus, will be releasing a version of HTC Hero, HERO130, that will be compatible with AT&T US 3G network. It is very unlikely that AT&T themselves will carry the HTC Hero or any Android phones for that matter anytime soon.
(a) It won't be AT&T branded. It may be Telus branded, but it hasn't been released yet, no one knows what Telus will do to it. No one knows at the moment whether there will be a generic unlocked version of the Hero available in the Canada either.
(b) Yes I have read that. But what I've read is that they have this "unlimited" data limit of 5GB per month. Once you reached that they will start throttling your data usage. Seriously, 5GB is A LOT. My normal month data usage does not exist 500MB, and I am using an Android phone. Unlike you enjoy sitting at a no-wifi cafe and stream video all day, or play online games (do they even exist on Android?) it is pretty hard to hit 5GB. And if you are sitting down and want to do this kind of data heavy thing, normally you would much prefer to hook up with a wifi hotspot. Mainly for speed reason.

The Telus version is the A6265. Lets hope these get unlocked soon so I can use it on AT&T

Twenty4 said:
The Telus version is the A6265. Lets hope these get unlocked soon so I can use it on AT&T
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Thanks! ... so let me add the pic here, just to get them all captured and differentiated in one spot:
The Telus version: the A6265
Fishing around, i found this comment, fyi:
the walmart i work at already has the hero in stock here in ontario, we are able to activate them on the 5th of november
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from HTC's website:
and from Telus Mobility:
No Contract price: $499
from Android Central: Telus Hero unboxed "Surprise: Unbranded"
from Howards Forums:
Question for the more knowledgeable of Canadian providers. Is Telus available in the western coast of CA? I live in Seattle and often times find myself in Bellingham, a stone's throw away from BC.
telus is big in B.C, finding a store to buy phones would not be a problem.
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thanks tsekh -- your knowledge is invaluable.
tsekh501 said:
No, what I was saying is that this Canadian carrier, Telus, will be releasing a version of HTC Hero, HERO130, that will be compatible with AT&T US 3G network.... But what I've read is that they have this "unlimited" data limit of 5GB per month. Once you reached that they will start throttling your data usage. Seriously, 5GB is A LOT.
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THIS was the article I was speaking of ... indicating there is further thinking going on, don't you think?
AT&T Wireless CEO Hints at ‘Managing’ iPhone Data Usage Mark Sullivan, PC World, Oct 7, 2009 4:11 pm
...De la Vega ... cited AT&T research showing that just 3 percent of AT&T's smartphone customers [read iPhone users] use 40 percent of all smartphone data, that they consume 13 times the data of "the average smartphone customer," yet represent less than 1 percent of AT&T’s total postpaid customer base. ... So in the absence of new spectrum and new, faster 4G networks, what does AT&T intend to do about the growing demand in the near term?
De la Vega’s comments on this subject really caught my attention.
Without the proper management of these networks, De la Vega said, regular data users will be “crowded out” by the small number of users [read iPhone users] who use massive amounts of data.
“We have to manage the network to make sure that the few cannot crowd out the many,” De la Vega continued.
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He said the words “crowded out” at least five times in that part of his keynote address.... Of course nobody outside AT&T knows exactly what the company has in mind. But if De la Vega's numbers are correct, AT&T will be forced to do something, and I got the impression that De la Vega was casually introducing the "rationing" concept to the wireless community today.
AT&T's exclusive deal with Apple to sell the iPhone has made it a top-shelf wireless provider, but that blessing could become a curse if the AT&T 3G network can't keep up with the large bandwidth appetite of the popular device.
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The reason for my followup here is to say I've now thought it through, and (a) I want the brown handset -- so that's GSM Europe/Asia, since Telus is only offering the handset in black or white, and (b) I'll be satisfied with 2G and wi-fi. Thanks again.

quicksite said:
Thanks! ... so let me add the pic here, just to get them all captured and differentiated in one spot:
The Telus version: the A6265
Fishing around, i found this comment, fyi:
from HTC's website:
and from Telus Mobility:
No Contract price: $499
from Android Central: Telus Hero unboxed "Surprise: Unbranded"
from Howards Forums:
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Nice. But unbranded does not mean that the phone is unlocked (although there is a chance that it is), there is still "Telus" written on the box. I won't be too worry about the possibility of unlocking it though, given we have seen what the people here can do.
I am using the European version on AT&T and am thinking about selling mine and importing the Telus version.

Can't find the Telus version anywhere on the web other than ordering from the telus website which does NOT ship outside of Canada.

I guess they will start popping up on eBay very soon.
I am asking a friend of mine who lives in Canada to get one from Telus directly.

quicksite said:
Oh, excellent! Leave it to XDA to have clear answers in under 3 hours... vs days of unanswered questions elsewhere. Thank you so much, tsekh501. So, the Hero100 = Europe/Asia model = UMTS 900/2100 = Picture #2. Is this also known as HTC Hero A6262 Quadband 3G HSDPA GPS ? Because the designation "A6262" is the most common way the HTC Hero is denoted at various online vendors' sites.
The likelihood of my ever contracting with AT&T is so slim -- I plan to never forget their lead role in the domestic spying on every single person in the United States for all phone & internet traffic. This is why I never went for the iphone.
... But in the event I fell and hurt my head and lost all memory of their criminality, it would be best for me to wait a few weeks until the AT&T branded phones hit the secondary marketplace and are made avail online, unlocked ? (Scratch that. (a) I could not stand to look at that logo everytime I used the phone, and (b) their 3G network is so overtaxed and under-resourced, AT&T has actually been thinking of throttling usage of high-data users like iphone subscribers)
I see that now:
(This sounds pretty snide... but who knows, maybe given the Hero's older processor, compared to the new Motorola DROID and the HTC Leo, maybe it's true
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Thanks -- my first thread in the Hero forum and a home-run reply in post#2. Thanks very much!
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The 'older' processor of the Hero? How new is the DROID's processor going to be? Read this review and see for yourself:
http://nerdworld.blogs.time.com/2009/11/05/motorola-droid-review-verizon-wireless/

tsekh501 said:
There exists a Hero with the name of (1) T-Mobile G2 Touch, which is basically (2). But there does NOT exists a Hero with the spec listed for (1) above. T-Mobile G2 Touch is (2) branded for T-Mobile in Europe and is NOT compatible with the 3G network of T-Mobile USA.
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Errhhh - that is what I said!
Item 1, the T-Mobile G2 Touch does exists - it just doesn't support the bands listed under it
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Regards,
Dave

blackvyper said:
The 'older' processor of the Hero? How new is the DROID's processor going to be? Read this review and see for yourself:
http://nerdworld.blogs.time.com/2009/11/05/motorola-droid-review-verizon-wireless/
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Well I didn't author the snide comment... CNET did. But here are the specs compared in PDAdb.net:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=2011&id2=2061

Best Buy Canada -- now has the Telus Heros for sale (stores only)
It says they are only for sale IN STORES ...
(that last $999.99 is probably meant to be $99.99 -- same as the white phone for 3 year contract; same as on Telus website)
Home > Best Buy Mobile > Cell Phones > Smartphones > Telus > Product Information

The Arm Cortex-A8 core at the heart of the Droid is a much more modern design than the Arm-11 core in the Hero's Qualcomm processor. Clock for clock, you can expect it to be significantly faster.
See this article comparing the two cores in the iPhone. Whilst they don't use the same SoC as the Hero and Droid, they are based on the same Arm cores (iPhone 3G - ARM11, iPhone 3GS - Arm Cortex-A8) so the comparisons are likely to be apposite.
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
The Arm Cortex-A8 core at the heart of the Droid is a much more modern design than the Arm-11 core in the Hero's Qualcomm processor. Clock for clock, you can expect it to be significantly faster.
See this article comparing the two cores in the iPhone. Whilst they don't use the same SoC as the Hero and Droid, they are based on the same Arm cores (iPhone 3G - ARM11, iPhone 3GS - Arm Cortex-A8) so the comparisons are likely to be apposite.
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Dave
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Dave, you are a master of info. I'm only 2 days into this Hero forum (after 3 years on the windows mobile forums here), and you really deliver the goods. I look forward to getting my phone. I'm sure this Hero forum will be great for development.
This was very cool to read in that article, so thx for the reference.
A Call to Action
This leads me to a further point: we need more transparency in specs from smartphone manufacturers. The mobile phone market is all too shielded from the performance metrics and accountability that we’ve had in the PC space. When Intel was shipping Pentium 4s that performed slower than the Pentium IIIs they were replacing, we called them out on it. To this day, Apple refuses to talk about the processor in the iPhone 3GS. We get to hear all about what’s in the Nehalem Mac Pro, but the hardware behind the 3GS is off limits - despite the fact that it’s very good. This policy of not delivering specifics and a general unwillingness to talk about specs is absurd at best. It doesn’t take much more than a teardown and some homebrew code to figure out what CPU at what frequency is in any modern day smartphone; manufacturers should show pride in their hardware, or refrain from putting something inside a phone that’s they can’t be proud of.
What we need are cache sizes, clock speeds, full architecture disclosures. They don’t have to be on the phone’s marketing materials but make them accessible and at least some of the focus. These SoCs are so incredibly cool, they pack more power than the desktops of 10 years ago into a single chip smaller than my thumbnail - boast about them! Palm had a tremendous leg up on the competition with its OMAP 3430 processor, yet there was hardly any attention paid to it by Palm. I get that the vast majority of consumers don’t get, but those who do, would help tremendously if given access to this information. It’s something to get excited about.
And if the manufacturers won’t devote time and energy to this stuff, then I will.
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I really don't have any plans of getting the verizon version (Eris) as I feel it was built on the same set as the sprint version and will most likly suck in the battery department as the GSM version does not. Ohwell, hope we see theses soon. I can't find a single shop in canada that will ship to the USA...

Well the contract from when I bought my Tilt two years ago just ended. I will be buying the Telus Hero as soon as I can find one. Then I will research which non-smartphone I can get from AT&T with the biggest turn around on Ebay.
That way I can get keep the cheap data plan I have now and re-coupe some of the cash from paying full price for the Hero.

Dell Venue Pro on AT&T?

I was at the AT&T store today and was talking to a sales rep. I am currently with AT&T on family plan and I told him that I was going to cancel my phone (the primary line) to T-Mobile to pick up the DVP.
Well, he told me that a Microsoft rep told him that T-Mobile had a 45 day exclusivity on the DVP starting from the launch date (11/8). Further, the DVP will be on 3 carriers once the exclusivity runs out. Now the speculation on the other two was Verizon and possibly AT&T.
He also said that the 3 WP7 phones at AT&T were under the 45 day exclusivity as well and that other carriers would be carrying the three devices currently at AT&T.
He wasn't sure if and when all this would happen but if in fact AT&T will be getting the DVP soon, I can hold out a bit longer as the only reason I was planning on switching to Tmo was for the DVP.
Don't mean to start a wild rumor thread but thought I share what I heard and would like to know if others have heard something similar.
Happy Holidays...

Thats interesting news.

I'm on AT&T too and planning to move to TMobile just for this phone. Hope you're right.

That's good news. I currently have a Focus but still miss a hardware keyboard. 45 Days would put it right after the holiday season which would allow carriers to make their money before the agreement ends. Let's hope this is true.
I hope someone will be able to enable tethering on the DVP and that will be perfect.

lies that carriers tell you to keep you. dont know for sure tho
i rather have dvp with webos or android. wp7, ill wait till 2nd or 3rd gen

c_legaspi said:
lies that carriers tell you to keep you. dont know for sure tho
i rather have dvp with webos or android. wp7, ill wait till 2nd or 3rd gen
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Agreed. I have some doubts that something like this will actuall happen. Nevertheless, I'll give it some time - until the reviews of the new and improved launched (part deux) DVPs.
I'm hoping to hear some more from folks who may knowledge or have heard something similar in the meanwhile.

Would be nice, but I wouldn't hold my breath on this one. If it were true, that would put us 2 weeks out and this would be the first real rumor I've heard. Things like this tend to get leaked in advance. Kind of telling that there hasn't been any FCC filings for the additional radio flavors either. We can still cross our fingers though.

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Would be nice, but I wouldn't hold my breath on this one. If it were true, that would put us 2 weeks out and this would be the first real rumor I've heard. Things like this tend to get leaked in advance. Kind of telling that there hasn't been any FCC filings for the additional radio flavors either. We can still cross our fingers though.
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maybe thats the Dell Venue?
the one with android and without the keyboard?

Another clue might be a statement from Greg Milligan of Microsoft Canada: “the first manufacturers are LG, Samsung, HTC, we’ll have those available here in Canada. We also see Dell coming into the market as well and some other manufacturers in 2011”. (http://mobilesyrup.com/2010/11/29/m...ices-with-hardware-keyboard-coming-to-canada/)
In Canada, AT&T frequencies are dominant right now: ever since Bell and Telus stopped expanding their CDMA network and built an all-3G UMTS/HSPA+ national network on 850/1900, pretty much all their new 3G devices are GSM. Add that to Rogers' existing 850/1900 GSM/EDGE/UMTS/HSPA+ network, and you're looking at AT&T frequency compatibility from our three biggest national carriers. They all launched AT&T-compatible Windows Phone 7 devices last month.
The new "urban" carriers - Wind, Mobilicity, Videotron - are running AWS in major cities. But none of these carriers have launched any WP7 devices.
Dell could just launch the DVP in its current configuration on Wind or Mobilicity (or both). It could also launch the DVP as an EDGE-only device on Rogers (very unlikely). Or, it could build a new DVP with 850/1900 3G support and release it on any combination of Rogers, Bell and Telus for a much larger customer base.

was planning to get the t-mobile version, but i am not sure if i should right now
i am on at&t and i dropped my phone in water last week, want a smartphone so bad right now...

Well, it would appear that HTC HD7 may be headed to AT&T. If so, perhaps this will mean that other "exclusive" phones will find it's way to other carriers. One can only hope...

If Canada gets them, I think we'd be in good shape either way. Their bands are fully compatible, so I wouldn't mind plunking down a few dollars more to get it. However, it would have to be unlocked so that might be an issue (hopefully a short one).
Can't wait!

I had my doubts about this, but it seems quite possible. The FCC has approved two models of the Dell Venue Pro:
FCC ID: E2KV03B002
(https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas...me=N&application_id=218753&fcc_id='E2KV03B002')
3G band tested: AWS
FCC ID: E2KV03B001
(https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas...me=N&application_id=425269&fcc_id='E2KV03B001')
3G bands tested: 850/1900
Note: as far as I can tell, these documents don't preclude the "B001" version from also supporting European 3G on 2100 MHz, since the FCC didn't test the 900/2100 euro bands on the "B002" but we know it has them anyway.

It would only make sense that this would happen.
Dell would be crazy to limit their handsets to the smallest Mobile Carrier in terms of subscribers. Giving Tmobile a leg up is okay but to give it the whole leg would be silly.
I would take the HD7 on the AT&T network as I returned by HD7 on the T-MOBILE network due to signal issues.
I would like to have it on the Sprint Network but that isn't happening anytime soon. I do not like the HD PRO they have rumored to get WP7.
The DVP or the HD7 will be my choices for now. a 4.3" S_LCD on the HD7 would be great/

TheGlowingCurve said:
Just for the record, 45 days after the 8th of November would be December 23, 2010.
I'll be checking back on that day (and probably sooner, anyway).
I am also anticipating the DVP. :] I'll be waiting for AT&T.
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Well, given recent news of the delay yet again, I wonder if:
1) At this rate, the DVP will be available on AT&T at the same time as T-Mobile
or
2) This is vaporware and never make it to AT&T
Utterly disappointed with Dell....

Just got this link from MS
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/buy/7/phones.aspx?cmpid=14303401#detail=1568 and was wondering if these bands will work on AT&T. Anyone know?

hmm.....
it only state UMTS 900 and 2100, which are the frequency the rest of the world use
it didn't even state AWS or 1700
interesting

TheGlowingCurve said:
Well, three days left (actually, it may be four days, since the 23rd may be the 45th day).
Just for the record, I did a Google search to check for any updates and found this:
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/Windows-Phone-7-Dell-Venue-Pro-Headed-to-ATandT-895659/
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It appears that the eweek article is a collection of blog posts on this topic.
With regards to the 45-day, I'm guessing that we won't hear anything until the new year until the holiday shopping period is over.