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Finger-friendly Homepage!

I'm working on a new concept for a homepage for all touch devices.
I know it's not the greatest idea of all, but I really think it's good enough to have some value.
I wont release all details as I have a decent amount planned, but here goes...
http://neotelos.com/mobile/
Works great in opera beta and firefox, PIE is very underdeveloped and I've had issues...so no support at the moment, but may come in the future.
So far it's only a preview of what is to come, I'd like to know what you guys think so far.
I've even seen alot of touch PCs and Tablets emerging, and hope to aim towards that audience too!

Got it working with keys now
I can't wait to get this done...I'm also making this so I have something nice for even my own homepage.

nice idea...
what do you intend to put in there ?

I confess - I don't see the point in this, you're using an onhover effect wich won't be activated in a mobile - because theres no such thing as on hover on a touchscreen.
Sorry, I may be being ignorant.

interesting, the page is working on opera. in qvga mode, the font is oversize.

Napbree said:
I confess - I don't see the point in this, you're using an onhover effect wich won't be activated in a mobile - because theres no such thing as on hover on a touchscreen.
Sorry, I may be being ignorant.
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im no mobile web developer (although I've done my fair share of sites), but isn't the onhover property applied when the user taps the link? at least I think that's what is does in the iphone

Yes, is true.
The only issues that I haven't found a way to overcome:
1) Override context menu
2) Capture drag action
I plan on making a user-customizable CMS (Content Management System) and hope to just keep adding features over time.
My first goal is to allow users to setup accounts which they can customize links and content to their liking.
Like I said, it's nothing major, just something that might come in handy as there aren't many good web portals designed for mobile.
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Oh, yeah, it doesn't use hover, it actually grabs when the mouse moves and calculates actions...for a number of reasons I chose this method, may not be the most oiptimal but I find it to be more compatable.
When a user taps the screen, or even ends a drag, when the pressure is lifted mouse movement is activated. Not to mention it works with arrow keys and overrides the scrolling, so it can be used with devices w/o touchscreens.

Neotelos_com said:
Yes, is true.
The only issues that I haven't found a way to overcome:
1) Override context menu
2) Capture drag action
I plan on making a user-customizable CMS (Content Management System) and hope to just keep adding features over time.
My first goal is to allow users to setup accounts which they can customize links and content to their liking.
Like I said, it's nothing major, just something that might come in handy as there aren't many good web portals designed for mobile.
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I think having the whole login account would be overkill, unless the user does not delete his or her cookies after each session

Neotelos, this is a very cool idea, but why don't you team up with whoever made Touch-innovation.com and develope it with him? he created it not a long while ago and it would be much more productive if you guys did that together instead of creating a whole new one (just a thought )

nir36: Not too bad of an idea, I've his site before and it's a nice start. Just that this is a web design geared for mobile devices, not resources for them. Maybe I'll shoot him a message and see if he wants to form an affiliation, who knows.
mbarvian: There's a few ideas I have, one would be just to use a simple URL for a basic start page, with configuration password protected. ex: somewebsite.com/somehomepage.php?user=myusername

nir36 said:
Neotelos, this is a very cool idea, but why don't you team up with whoever made Touch-innovation.com and develope it with him? he created it not a long while ago and it would be much more productive if you guys did that together instead of creating a whole new one (just a thought )
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I tried contacting Nathan over there, but even though he remains active, I have yet to receive a response.
I don't see that his site is the busiest and if he can't even respond to messages as a courtesey, i don't think i'll be working with him. thanks for the advice though.

[DEV] Gecko App Manager - Source now available!

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Current status:
Working on Beta 3.2
(more updates on GetGecko.org)​
THE IDEA
Installing applications on your device is a complicated thing for most Windows Mobile users. You have CAB files, EXE files, MSI files, ZIP files... that's a lot! iPhone users have the AppStore and Linux users have Package Managers. Now what would happen if we mixed both and made something for Windows Mobile? That's the Gecko project, and it's going to be great!
In addition, Gecko would incorporate previously unseen features such as application management, favorites, automatic updates, command line operations and app restore. The goal is to provide every Windows Mobile user a way to easily manage and install applications.
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WILLING TO HELP?
There are a few things you can do to help me help you all
-List! Add your applications and take part of the release lineup. This also helps testing the database.
-Donate! I registered a domain for 3 years and give a lot of my time for Gecko. The donations will end up being used with Gecko in any way.
-Comment! Your ideas fuel this project and encourage me to continue. You can also leave comments on the Gecko forum
-Test! I always need a few people to test the newest releases. More information can be found at forum.getgecko.org in the Announcements board.
-Design! Once the application is ready for release, I'll need people to help me work on the graphics. Right now I only use a very basic UI for testing.
-Host! Gecko requires direct links for downloads. It would be great to have some people provide hosting space for the .cab files.
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The Gecko project now has a brand new website where you can see the latest developments, download the latest betas and vote on new features.
Go to GetGecko.org[/CENTER]

People I'd like to thank:
Ayvegh:
One of the hosts. He dedicated some server space for my projects and now for all the Gecko cabs.
9khil:
The host of GetGecko.org. He installed Wordpress on the server, set me up a FTP and helped a lot on the website in general. He's a very friendly guy and I'm glad to have him in the team.
Niikoo:
Author of the WApps application. He had the same idea almost at the same time and offered a lot of help. He will take charge of the graphic design (that will probably be based on how WApps looked: great).
DarkAngelFR:
A great helper too. He is one of the first developers to submit his applications and later offered to make a DLL to include Gecko functions in other applications.
Our donators:
Thanks to our donators, it's even more fun to work on Gecko. Combined with the AdSense revenue, it pays enough to keep working hard on it. Thanks a lot!
The XDA-Developers community:
You are the one who support this project. This is where the idea was born, where it grew in popularity and when I need to think with more than one brain, this is the right place.
Everyone I forgot (yet who contributed in so many ways), the PPCGeeks community, the AllTouchPro community and everyone else who provided support in the last 2 months.

Great Idea
I think this is an great idea and cold give Winmobile a great boost. In my opinion one part of the Iphone success is the Apöstore. But I think the shop maintainers must get some money for their work. I would suggest a percentual fee ( 5-15) per sold shareware.
I think its very hard work to get such a store running.

OMG! This is an AWESOME idea!

N1c0_ds said:
If you have ever used Linux, you probably fell in love with the Package Manager. This sweet application lists most of the programs available for your computer so you can download one of many of them in a convenient way with having to search for the application.
Why not make such a thing for Windows Mobile? We discussed a bit in another thread and we finally agreed it was worthy of its own thread.
THE PLAN
Retrieving applications:
The application would download an XML file with all the applications listed in it along with their description and a link to a CAB and to the screenshot. With an XML anyone could make their own client, leaving room for more talented developers later.
Listing new applications:
Listing applications will cost shareware developers 1$ for each app and will be free for freeware developers. This fee will last forever and there is no royalty fees. Hopefully the low cost and the once-and-for-all payment will attract them.
What do you think?
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You did not say who would host the cabs, the xml and collect the fees. These are obviously the most important points.
Surur

Vrtfrank said:
I think this is an great idea and cold give Winmobile a great boost. In my opinion one part of the Iphone success is the Apöstore. But I think the shop maintainers must get some money for their work. I would suggest a percentual fee ( 5-15) per sold shareware.
I think its very hard work to get such a store running.
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I won't charge a percentage, developers hate that. If I get 1-10$ per app listed (I don't wan't to turn this into a store, I just want a CAB repo).

surur said:
You did not say who would host the cabs, the xml and collect the fees. These are obviously the most important points.
Surur
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well the 1$ is so he could host the cabs and make the xmls and what not..

This is a very good idea. I think we should all go with it!

I like it. Maybe there would be command line interface like yum and portage.

surur said:
You did not say who would host the cabs, the xml and collect the fees. These are obviously the most important points.
Surur
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The cabs would be hosted by the developers themselves. It will be important to have a way to report broken links. I will host the XML and I will collect the fees.
I don't want to make a huge profit from it, I just don't want to spend an enormous amount of time developing without any income.

i say we start developing

bedaweed said:
i say we start developing
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I'm already started.
It can download and show a screenshot from a given URL (gif only) and it can also download and run a cab from a URL at the press of a button.
I also experimented a bit with CSV and XML files. I'll use CSV after all since they are easier to edit.
19:35: I managed to make the app retrieve the application and version from the CSV and add it to a Listbox. The listbox is not the best choice but I'm just experimenting.

wow this is gunna be great
but developers might not give 1$

This looks to be a great idea. Installer, and later its replacement, Cydia made iPhone very popular with those who jailbroke it. It made it easy to install and browse for new applications. Even my girlfriend finds it easy and fun. This could be the very thing that makes WM more popular with "ordinary users" especially with phone manufacturers aiming their WM phones towards that particular demographic.
I just came to think of something in regards to the idea of charging $1. As much as I am supporting the idea of the hoster to receive some payment for hosting and maintaining this feature, I don't know if $1 is feasible. As far as I know PayPal (which arguable is the largest and most often used service for internet payment) charges some transfer fee. I've read somewhere (no sources, sorry) that any payment below $5 is "wasted" due to transfer fees. Might want to look into that.

AndyGizzle said:
This looks to be a great idea. Installer, and later its replacement, Cydia made iPhone very popular with those who jailbroke it. It made it easy to install and browse for new applications. Even my girlfriend finds it easy and fun. This could be the very thing that makes WM more popular with "ordinary users" especially with phone manufacturers aiming their WM phones towards that particular demographic.
I just came to think of something in regards to the idea of charging $1. As much as I am supporting the idea of the hoster to receive some payment for hosting and maintaining this feature, I don't know if $1 is feasible. As far as I know PayPal (which arguable is the largest and most often used service for internet payment) charges some transfer fee. I've read somewhere (no sources, sorry) that any payment below $5 is "wasted" due to transfer fees. Might want to look into that.
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I will get at least 60¢ for each dollar (that's if they pay with their credit card).

Great idea. Please make it device aware (screen resolution, WM version, Compact Framework version, etc.). Compatibility rating and info from users per device would be awesome. On that note, think about a way you can have user ratings, comments, etc. Lots of options to filter an app search: by your device and category and most popular, new, free/paid, etc.

galt said:
Great idea. Please make it device aware (screen resolution, WM version, Compact Framework version, etc.). Compatibility rating and info from users per device would be awesome. On that note, think about a way you can have user ratings, comments, etc. Lots of options to filter an app search: by your device and category and most popular, new, free/paid, etc.
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I already figured an easy way to search for everything (table.filter) but I have a lot of work left. I still don't know how I could work with user ratings and comments. These are especially important as they allow people to decide which apps to get and which ones to avoid (like WeFi and its device-destructing habits).
Right now I've got a functionnal version set up. It loads a CSV, gets info from it and can display the info page of a selected application. I need to test the "contact developer" feature on my device tonight.
I keep changing the CSV (added date, contact info, will add categories and possibly keywords). Compatibility might be something I save for the the description.
Current CSV file columns:
-Name
-Version
-Author
-Contact info
-Date submitted
-Cab link (might add room for mirrors later)
-Screenshot link (might add room for more later)
-Short description (about a line long)
-Long description (the full thing)

N1c0_ds said:
I already figured an easy way to search for everything (table.filter) but I have a lot of work left. I still don't know how I could work with user ratings and comments. These are especially important as they allow people to decide which apps to get and which ones to avoid (like WeFi and its device-destructing habits).
Right now I've got a functionnal version set up. It loads a CSV, gets info from it and can display the info page of a selected application. I need to test the "contact developer" feature on my device tonight.
I keep changing the CSV (added date, contact info, will add categories and possibly keywords). Compatibility might be something I save for the the description.
Current CSV file columns:
-Name
-Version
-Author
-Contact info
-Date submitted
-Cab link (might add room for mirrors later)
-Screenshot link (might add room for more later)
-Short description (about a line long)
-Long description (the full thing)
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if you are using .net, look at using a data set with xml. all the searching,sorting, etc is done within. It is also a snap to use with a data grid. Just my 2 cents
Gudy

And to clarify my post about device aware, I mean that the apps could be filtered to those that are compatible for your device.

galt said:
And to clarify my post about device aware, I mean that the apps could be filtered to those that are compatible for your device.
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Great idea, I'll think of a way to do this.

[X] WApps - A windows mobile "appstore"

I got the idea to make a application finder software for Windows Mobile. Specially designed to HTC Diamond, with many G-apps & games and other nice apps. It's under development now, and i will release one screenshot for you.
This app will not be just an styled IE-frame, like many "appstore" like apps that have been released before.
19. October 2008:
New Screenshot of the start screen.
Development stopped, becouse of the Gecko project.

I think this is a phenominal idea. The idea that went around recently was an internet based solution through ie explorer and it just was not device friendly. To have a device based solution is much more sensable. If you could create a server that developers could upload their most recent programs too that would be the best.
Maybe contact the system admin on this site and see if he will give your program to access the sites FTP server or something. Then a user could use your device based program that would seemlessly connect to the interenet in the back ground, poll the server for software, sort it and place it into a thumb friendly interface on the phone by which it could be sorted into categories of games, utilities, themes, programs etc etc....
Of course the admin would have to create those categories on the site's side and the developers would need to upload their program to the correct one but I think everyone has been in such a need for this that they would be willing to do it without much arm twisting.
Or, you could create device user interface that interacts with Orb.com... But then you would have to get the updates of programs and upload them to ORB for your program to work. But ORB does already have a sorting feature that your user controls on the device could be made to access for sorting etc. It even has a video section that a user could download tutorials of different programs that someone took time to make.
All just ideas. Some you may find good or not. I am excited to see a device based program though. It make user intereaction easier.
Curious G.

yes
Its a good idea, keep working on it

seems to be a nice idea

I like the idea but this really depends on what will be offered / how updated the actual site behind the store application is. Have you had any thoughts on that yet?

i second that.
at this time i browse via opera tho xda to download stuff... but having a app that simplifies things would be even better...
maybe all the downloads here could be managed and put upto "youre" server in an automated way..

I remember seeing this article a few weeks ago about Microsoft creating their own app store.
http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/n.../job-advert-reveals-microsoft-skymarket.phtml
Either way, it's certainly a good idea!!

I forward the notion. An app that has all the apps at hand for easy download by category would kick some serious asss..
If I can help in any way let me know.
Greetings to all.

Love this development. Maybe this progress will open up eyes on new skilful programmers and we will see an increase of good looking apps and games. Not that I don't just love the things going on here at xda. But the more the merrier, right? The only complaint that I might have on this forum is the all the threads with wallpapers and especially the ones with half-naked women...But that's me...
So an app store (or two) is going to make it easier for us to sort out what we are interested in and only that.

If needed count me in I can help develop..

Great idea.
In the spirit of AppToDate, which I found worked very very well. But with YouTube-app like interface, all connected to database were latest apps can get installed.
Great idea!

I'm working to figure out how to connect to MySQL from a windows mobile based device, does anyone here know?

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i think if these two threads could be incorporated
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=428480
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=433913
that would be a good way to do storage
each developer could use have there own account and then whenever they updated there app they update the wapps link via web or give it like some type of flash capabilities that would be really great
or there could be a generic account that ever one uses to upload too
looks like this is in the works http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=436127
maybe some collabo might be nice

Nice project!! GoOd Luck!!

If there was a way to advertise this app when it gets made. the diamond would sell millions

Why not just modify a RSS feed reader?

niikoo said:
I'm working to figure out how to connect to MySQL from a windows mobile based device, does anyone here know?
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Maybe Sqlite is more accurate for a mobile device ?
And you just download the sqlite file available on a server, this way requests would be very fast.

masterbox said:
Maybe Sqlite is more accurate for a mobile device ?
And you just download the sqlite file available on a server, this way requests would be very fast.
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Yes, every time you start it will update from the web or you can click on a button to update (or an 'update every x minutes' function

please keep up the hard work!!!!! love to see this appstore happen!

[Q] SQLite Bibles

I'm working on a Honeycomb optimized bible app for my new Transformer, and I was wondering if anyone knows a good source for bibles in sqlite format that are free to distribute. I believe the KJV is public domain in most countries, so that will probably be my starting point. I also want to include the option for supporting a number of different translations though, so I'd prefer to find a common table format that I wouldn't have to modify. I found a few versions available here, but I'm not really happy with the format. Anybody know any other sources?
I'm hoping to have at least a proof of concept version together within the next few days. If anyone is interested, I can post it here for people to try out and give feedback.

May I suggest using a different method? Storing an entire book in an sqlite database doesn't seem smart.
I'd try a text based approach, one verse per line, with an sqlite index used for quick navigation and lookups. this also allows for much better compression.

Thanks for the reply. Could you explain why using a database isn't a good idea? It seemed like a good idea to me, and every existing bible program I've seen uses that approach. Could you explain your proposal in a little more detail? Are you suggesting a plain txt file to store the whole thing?
Sorry if I'm misunderstanding something, I don't actually have any real education in any kind of development. Just an enthusiastic amateur

I'd be most definitely interested. I've used PocketBible for years, but there was nothing really for Droid. So I bought AcroBible, but the interface was clumsy and adding books was really jacked. So lately I've been using Tecarta. It has an easy to use interface and is cheap. I bought my TF because I do a lot of Bible teaching and thought it would be easier to handle than the paper stuff. So what I'd really like is a side by side arrangement, where I could place my own notes (several pages per class) and on the other side have an independently scrolling Bible, much like Tecarta's split screen for viewing two translations at once.
I'd be more than happy to be a beta tester for you.
John 3:30

jideay said:
I'd be most definitely interested. I've used PocketBible for years, but there was nothing really for Droid. So I bought AcroBible, but the interface was clumsy and adding books was really jacked. So lately I've been using Tecarta. It has an easy to use interface and is cheap. I bought my TF because I do a lot of Bible teaching and thought it would be easier to handle than the paper stuff. So what I'd really like is a side by side arrangement, where I could place my own notes (several pages per class) and on the other side have an independently scrolling Bible, much like Tecarta's split screen for viewing two translations at once.
I'd be more than happy to be a beta tester for you.
John 3:30
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That's basically exactly what I'm planning. One thin fragment to display a list of available books, and the rest of the screen split evenly between the bible content (verses) and a notes pane. I'll mock up a UI demo first since I don't want to start too much work on the behind the scenes stuff until I decide on a bible container/format. I'll post the UI demo for comments on usability, etc.

I would very much like to Beta test for you as well. I'm currently using the Latin Vulgate bible from the Market and while I like it well, I'd like to have multiple translations (possibly Greek as well?) at my fingertips.
While I wish I could help with the programming side, I can definitely commit to thoroughly testing for you.
Best of luck!

fatbas202 said:
I would very much like to Beta test for you as well. I'm currently using the Latin Vulgate bible from the Market and while I like it well, I'd like to have multiple translations (possibly Greek as well?) at my fingertips.
While I wish I could help with the programming side, I can definitely commit to thoroughly testing for you.
Best of luck!
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This is why I really need to find some common format. Nothing would change on the code side to display different translations, you just point it at a different source and everything works correctly.
I was kind of hoping I could use the databases that the Youversion bible stores on your SD card, but they are encrypted (understandably). It would be great to have a 3rd party source (ie, not me) to handle licensing, distribution, and format control for a wide variety of bibles/translations. It's not looking like that is going to work out though. The search continues. In the meantime, UI stuff.

Youversion ftw

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Youversion ftw
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Youversion is awesome on my phone, not so much on my TF. I'm sure they will ultimately develop a tablet friendly version, and with the wide variety of translations they offer I'm sure it will be my go-to app eventually.
That said, I thought this would be a fun project to learn how to use fragments.
I found a couple sources for bibles in XML format as well. I'll have to do some performance testing on those vs sqlite based bibles.
Unfortunately I haven't gotten any time to play with this yet, and I'm going to be out of town all weekend (hog hunting then working on a house my wife and I are building). At this rate, youversion might have something available before me!

bedoig said:
Thanks for the reply. Could you explain why using a database isn't a good idea? It seemed like a good idea to me, and every existing bible program I've seen uses that approach. Could you explain your proposal in a little more detail? Are you suggesting a plain txt file to store the whole thing?
Sorry if I'm misunderstanding something, I don't actually have any real education in any kind of development. Just an enthusiastic amateur
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Sorry for the late response. The problem with storing it all in the DB is it will be slow. Databases aren't designed to store massive amounts of text like an entire book.
Imagine trying to display an entire chapter (or whatever they are called in the bible). You'd have to do SELECT * FROM verses WHERE chapter='1' ORDER BY verse ASC. SQLite then needs to read megabytes of text and send it back to you, which is going to be slow.
With a DB + flat file approach, you can do something like: SELECT line FROM chapters WHERE id='1' -- this would get you a single number, which points to a line number in bible.txt. Then if you wanted chapter 1 verse 5, you take that line number, add 5, then read that line from the file. This should be much faster than storing the entire book in a database, and allows for dead simple language support (can have kjv.txt, niv.txt, etc).
I would offer to help further with the project, but am a strict atheist. I do wish you all the luck with the project, though.

Gary13579 said:
Sorry for the late response. The problem with storing it all in the DB is it will be slow. Databases aren't designed to store massive amounts of text like an entire book.
Imagine trying to display an entire chapter (or whatever they are called in the bible). You'd have to do SELECT * FROM verses WHERE chapter='1' ORDER BY verse ASC. SQLite then needs to read megabytes of text and send it back to you, which is going to be slow.
With a DB + flat file approach, you can do something like: SELECT line FROM chapters WHERE id='1' -- this would get you a single number, which points to a line number in bible.txt. Then if you wanted chapter 1 verse 5, you take that line number, add 5, then read that line from the file. This should be much faster than storing the entire book in a database, and allows for dead simple language support (can have kjv.txt, niv.txt, etc).
I would offer to help further with the project, but am a strict atheist. I do wish you all the luck with the project, though.
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Thanks for the input. That would allow the flexibility I'm looking for, but would probably require me to set up all the translations myself. I was hoping to use some of the existing resources that are out there, which seem to consist of sqlite or xml.
XML might work OK on a desktop, but I'm not sure the performance will be at all acceptable on a mobile device. I was looking at possibly using SAX to parse the XML bibles I found. We'll see.
Anyway, thanks for the responses

I'm using my church's (LDS) App, and it works great on my Transformer!
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.ldsscriptures.scriptures&feature=search_result
It's free too

Olivetree's products do work...I'm using an NASB w/Strongs. Its fairly customizable but I don't use the integrated notes or anything.

Got a little time to work on this over the last couple days. Basic concept is running. Any comments on the overall layout? I was going to go with a 3 column approach where the chapter list replaces the book list when you select a book, but I think this 4 column layout works better (books | chapters | verses | notes). This allows the fastest possible navigation, and the additional chapters column is really skinny so you don't lose much space for the rest of the content.
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}

Things are coming along nicely. I still have a lot of work to do on the notes section, but the bible portion is basically done. Very happy with the performance too... its fast
If anyone wants to test it out let me know. Otherwise I'll be making the first release after the notes section is functional.

Count me in please. I would love to test things out for you as well.
Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk

bedoig said:
I was kind of hoping I could use the databases that the Youversion bible stores on your SD card, but they are encrypted (understandably).
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Hmm, I'm almost positive I opened up their SQLite databases a long while back without issue. It may have been on my iOS device at the time though, so it could be different with Android.
Either way, for a standard I would checkout AndBible. Several months ago I thought about trying to get into Android development to make a Strong's Concordance, but when I found AndBible gave it up. They use all public domain stuff hosted on some website that you can download.
I have a MySQL database of NIV, NKJV, NLT, KJV, and a few others. If you're interested PM me. They DO NOT contain formatting markers though, which may make it useless in a book form (I sure wouldn't want to read a Bible without proper formatting ), and I'm not sure about the licensing or anything as I got them free from a piece of open source software and don't use them for anything but personal use. KJV is license free though.
I'd also be interested in checking out what you have.

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Hmm, I'm almost positive I opened up their SQLite databases a long while back without issue. It may have been on my iOS device at the time though, so it could be different with Android.
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Maybe they figure that iOS devices are more secure since they don't really provide file system access or removable storage. The ones that were downloaded by the Android app seemed to have the scripture fields encrypted. I could view the table structure, see the names of books, etc... but the verses themselves weren't readable.
onfire4g05 said:
Either way, for a standard I would checkout AndBible. Several months ago I thought about trying to get into Android development to make a Strong's Concordance, but when I found AndBible gave it up. They use all public domain stuff hosted on some website that you can download.
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I'll check that out, thanks.
onfire4g05 said:
I have a MySQL database of NIV, NKJV, NLT, KJV, and a few others. If you're interested PM me. They DO NOT contain formatting markers though, which may make it useless in a book form (I sure wouldn't want to read a Bible without proper formatting ), and I'm not sure about the licensing or anything as I got them free from a piece of open source software and don't use them for anything but personal use. KJV is license free though.
I'd also be interested in checking out what you have.
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I have personal (hard)copies of the NIV and NKJV, so would definitely be interested in the databases for personal use. I really don't want to get involved in licensing, so if I distribute anything it will probably be the KJV. If my program is compatible with external resources it shouldn't be an issue though.
I'm actually not all that concerned about the formatting markers at this point. For a reading program I agree they're important, but I'm currently viewing this as more of a quick study/lookup/note-taking kinda thing. Speed and ease of use are my biggest goals. There are already so many good programs that handle longer reading sessions well. Hope that's not too disappointing. Long term I'd like to format everything properly, but I have a lot of other features planned that will come first.
I was going to wait until I've got the notes section done, but if anyone wants to play around just for fun I could go ahead and post it. I like using the Market since it makes handling updates super easy, but I don't think this is really ready for the general user yet. Maybe I'll post the apk here for the time being.
Edit - apk is attached. It's best to just ignore the notes section for now, the current setup is just a textview as a placeholder.
*** The bible.db.zip MUST be unzipped at "/sdcard/Bibles/". If you don't have the database saved at /sdcard/Bibles/bible.db this will not work.
Let me know what you think, but keep in mind this is still very early.
Edit2 - oh, and take a look at the landscape vs portrait layouts. At first I had the notes section below the verses when in portrait but I took it out for the time being. It worked fairly well though, so I'll make it a user selectable option in the future. Let me know your thoughts either way.

Took a shortcut and used code from the Google Notepad example to fill out my 'notes' section. I think it works good enough for a first release, but I'll probably have to re-do it to accomodate my long-term plans. Version 0.1 will probably be released as a beta on the market within the next couple days.
Anybody have any comments on the bible section? Anybody want to test the full market version before release? If so, I need quick feedback or its useless.

New thread opened for the release of the app on the market. Please make any requests / comments there.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1138355

[APP][DEV] LightMsg - the better WhatsApp alternative

Prolog:
Like many of you I am using WhatsApp. Its a widespreaded mobile Messenger, nearly all of my and probably your friends too got this little App wether for Android or *cough* iOS *cough*...
Since I have been using it I am aware of the many issues, especially security issues they are facing. Using apps like DroidSheep or WhatsApSniffer makes it easy to show off the main proplems of this App.
I am hosting some servers, some time ago I made use of SSL Certificates, the in my opinion easiest way to secure your webapp (roughly...).
I just thought "Why dont they make use of this?!" and I fond out, they simply started their server without bearing this in mind.
I am a big fan of HTML5 which gives me the favor of using SSL certificates AND a new technology I really love
WebSockets, some kind of TCP Connection which is encryptable with a SSL Certificate that is really fast, amazingly lightweight in traffic, event driven and up to this point, integrated quite fine (except ie, you all know this )...
A small proplem I am facing is Android not supporting WebSockets natively
I dont know why exactly but there are many (a lot of!) implementations in java...
So what is this all about?
I started a small project, I want to introduce you to....
LightMsg​
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
LightMsg aims to be a faster, secure and customizable alternative to WhatsApp and similair services.
Functionality:
I try to implement all the features WhatsApp provides you.
In addition, there is one core feature you will probably like:
You will be able to use LightMsg on multiple devices at the same time, not only mobile devices (well, at least one is required for registration...) but also on desktop platforms and in browser.
What is it build on:
I developed in JAVA some time ago, building a server for a mulitplayer RPG but I never had to do with GUI in JAVA. It is probably not that ard to learn but I simply dont find the time to. So for making this available for multiple platforms with just one source code and giving me the ability to code in my favorite language I build the app using Cordova/Phonegap.
You might have hear about it, this cool tool gives you a WebView with native platform capabilities.
To make it clear:
The App is mostly written in JS and HTML.
The interface I use is jQuery Mobile, i made some good experience with it, I find it quite nice looking, highly customizable (this will be nice for you later ) and easy to use.
Note: I may do a native Android App later but for now, I want to make one source for as many platforms as possible.
If you are interested, the server is also in my favorite language, I use a node.js backend...
Note 2: Since this server is simply a websocket server with some logic, anybody can connect to it, also from outside of the app which makes the server some kind of api for others who want to build an app around the server.
What am I doing here?
The main reason I am posting this here: Getting you (constructive) opinion
Letting you take part in the developement progress helps me to make the app more user friendly.
Annother reason is that I hope to find some people here beeing willed to help me, either in helping me with the html app or also people trying to help me build a native app
I also need somebody to help me integrate SSL support for the JAVA WebSockets since all the distributions out there that also fit with cordova dont provide this...
Not that much to do, simply take one with the functionality and build it around a cordova plugin
Any help is welcomed, Artists for stuff like smileys ( ) or programmers
So what is already done?
Yeah I got a welcome page...
No thats not all
More or less the complete registration process and the connecting process (for making use of multiple device support ) is done, currently im build the chat environment, I am a bit stuck with the architecture for handling offline messages and the multiple connections for one user account
Also I got some localization finished, all text in the app is either available in english or german...
If you want to help me localize it for you language I can send you the template and you just have to fill in the text
Localizations:
- German
- English
- Spanish
- Croatian
- Hindi (Indian/Have to try out what it looks like in browser because of the symbolic letters)
- Italian
- Dutch
Latest English Localization found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33549618#post33549618
So for now I can provide only a few screenshots you find in the attachement
Note: Please, Don't Call Me Maybe
BTW: You can also like my Facebook Fanpage https://www.facebook.com/LightMsg
Ok so now its up to you, ask your questions, tell me your suggestions and ideas and I will happily answer them Meanwhile I gonna step over to the chat architecture
//Robert
Edit no1:
Since I and probably everyone who is reading this thread wants to get this app into Alpha stage there are currently 2 things to get this done:
First and most important:
I need someone to help me integrate the SSL part in the Websocket client.
This is really important because this makes LightMsg more (or even at all) secure than WhatsApp...
The Server I use is only accepting ssl connections right now so please someone, this isnt that much work
Second but also important:
The account verfication is by SMS (the only way to verify the phone number ) and this means each SMS costs something for me.
The prize is not that high but since i got myself a new development device ( uuuuhhhh RAZR i ) i dont have any pocket money left
I might afford registration costs for 100 to 300 accounts but from what i see from the reader counts of this thread
there are maaaaany more people interested in getting LightMsg...
I know investing is hard if you have nothing in your hands but i would realy appreciate if you would invest some bucks into this,
before or after release of the alpha
Just PM me if you would like to
Edit no2:
So I know this will make you all hope for the LightMsg release but its actually only for me to get a list of interested persons who will get a early alpha version
LightMsg Alpha SignUp
Lets see how many people register
Change Log:
Fix - Fixed a bug or error
Added - Added but not yet functional or disabled
New - new feature added
Update - Updated an old feature which was already present to make it better or more effective
v0.0.9:
- NEW! verification button takes you immediatly to the verification page.
- FIX! removed the timeout on app start.
- ADDED! minsdk version 7 (experimental)
v0.0.8:
- NEW! Google push notifications.
- ADDED! option buttons for vibration and statusbar notifications.
- NEW! offline sent messages are now sent when connected to network
- ADDED! file sending theoretically integrated (practically: file inputs are
disabled in webview -.-).
- UPDATED! locking chat more secure (when coming back from lockscreen you
see
conversation page).
* NEW! pressing back on conversation page disabled (for not beeing able
to
go back into locked chats).
- FIX! error on "Connection to server failed" on startup for some of
you through adding a hicher timeout to the page loading.
v0.0.7:
- FIX! the send button.
- FIX! the contact list, contacts getting added multiple times.
- FIX! line breaks in messages, (some of you recognized the escaped
messages from me ).
- FIX! Sending message to wrong conversation when upgrading
- ADDED! decent notification (already in 0.0.6 i think)
- ADDED! newest chat now on top
v0.0.6:
v0.0.4:
v0.0.3:
v0.0.2:
v0.0.1:
-Initial release

You will be able to use LightMsg on multiple devices at the same time, not only mobile devices (well, at least one is required for registration...) but also on desktop platforms and in browser.
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Is there any way at all to actually send/receive messages from WhatsApp contacts without them switching to another app? This is possible on many desktop clients (e.g. Xfire, Raptr, Miranda IM, etc)

Aktually this is not what i think of beeing constructive...

There isn't anything to talk about yet since you're still building the base (I like the icon, the UI seems nice; you want to include WhatsApp's features, that's great! being named "LightMsg" I'm not sure if you would consider free voice calls as well, just like viber).
I did, however, ask a simple question that you should be able to answer at such an early stage. Was the text too small (hint: it's right below the picture)?

Usually i asociate those picture with trolls so...
Voice is not intended, im not even sure wether websocket kann handle this (probably...) but i want to stay with Msg- ing
Sry, the text size seems to be smaller than usual and i thought it was not meant for me
Well whatsapp only allows one connection with one account at any time (its the xmpp protocol, facebook chat used to use this too...) so beeing logged in parallel isnt possible neither receiving msg on both ends, only at one end at a time...
personally i only use whatsapp because so many people use it and my app isnt quite ready, but many of my friends (and also other people on facebook ) would reaally like to switch, because whatsapp is SOOOOO insecure...
did this answer your question?

Seems to have great potential. If you want, you could send me the logs to translate them to Spanish. I'd like to help you out (especially if it'd be available for Xperia Neo V Stock 2.3.4)

Hey sounds great
I will send you the english templete i currewntly use (it expands during developement you know )
this wont be device specific, should work on all devices 2.2+

English Template
Ok this is the english template...
the app reads out the navigators useragent so for german its de (Deutschland ) english its en and fr spanish probably es, im not sure...?
Anybody wo is willed to do such a localization for LightMsg can download the template and post it here or send it to me
EDIT: Why the hell do I have to zip the js file?!

There's a typo on line no. 40 on the file you sent me. Please, correct it (it says "freinds" instead of friends).
I've already translated the file. I came accross a sentence in German, but I used google translate to translate it to English so I'd provide the meaning in Spanish (as I do not know any German). Hope this translation file helps though.
I'm still wondering what do I have to write in the first line of code (var localization= ). Should it be Sp (standing for "Spanish") or Es (that stands for "Español")? No idea. I named the file Sp though.
Regards (and looking forward to the future improvement of your app),
Morrissex
PS: I'd like to know how the premium system will work and if there will be free and paid versions of the app.

Gracias mi amigo
Found the missing translation it should be something like "Activate your device" (i guess thats what you wrote...)
thanks
on monday im going on vacation for 10 days so i wont be able to work that much on LightMsg but I will do my best

Great. Enjoy your vacs. Just remember: any thing I could help (I know a bit of PhotoShop too), just tell me. I'm glad I could help.
Offtopic: You didn't answer my post-scriptum comment on the post above. :/

I should really read the comments till the end
happens the second time...
the var localization only defines the global localization object from wihch the fields are filled....
the files are named after the user agent string which is when I am correct es
I renamed the file to es.js...
answers your question?

Sorta. I asked too what is that "premium account" thing. I'd like to know how the premium system will work and if there will be free and paid versions of the app.

Ok so the chat client itself will be free but we need to refinance the verification sms and i would like to finance my studies i want to start with in about a year so i need to get money from somewhere...
i would like to make the use on multiple devices premium for a price of 1 or 2 $/€...
In developement it will all be free
Alternative ways?

I haven't thought of other ways to monetize your app. Lemme think of other ways and I'll tell you.
The only thing that is not quite clear for me if the verification will be by SMS and e-mail or just SMS.

The Verification is about the Phone number, to check that you only register a real/your number...
So it will only be by SMS, not by mail
BTW: Its already integrated and working
Just have to put some money by credit card (which i dont have) on our twilio account

I am up for Hindi (Indian) language localisation
Please pm if ok!!!!
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So here we are again from egypt
greatfully my dad sponsored me an internet access key so i will get here from time to time
Ok i sent you a pm, as i mention in thr pm im courious about symbol fonts like japanese or chinese (and i believe hindi too....) how to display them correctly and with which encoding...
I usually use utf 8 and im pretty sure its only latin..?
Some updates:
The frontend gui for chats is implemented and the backend for serving msgs is implrmented too
Note:
It already supports multi user chats
Only communication betwren thr instances isnt completely finished, will get that in the next days
Maybe we will get an alpha soon?
WANTED:
I really need a good java developer to help me with integrating ssl websockets with cordova!
//Robert
Sent from my LG-P500 using xda premium

I'm an interaction designer, UI designer (photoshop and CSS3) and jQuery coder...
If you need any help with the interface hit me up!

Hey man
Since we are currently working with jquery mobile i dont need an ui artist atm
For sure later when we come to native apps
When you say you are jquery coder i think you are familair with jquery mobile and js in general right?
I havent looked into this but i want the users to be able to load on jq mobile themes...
Would you try to find a way to load css files after the initial loading? Or just find out if its even possible?
I dont have enough free traffic here to search for it, i might take a look at it anyways later but for now it would be great if you can look into it
Small update:
When manually sending msgs the client receives the msg, just have to integrate it into the interface as well as a delete chat feature and save chats to file on sd
The chat includes (as i already said) multi user conversations and implements thatultiple to your account attached devices also receive your message
Still looking for a java dev :S
//Robert
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