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Great Soft CNetX Face Contacts v1.0

I want to share this application to manage contacts is a demonstration version, it is really interesting and very fluid, it can display its contacts with photos or icons page of today and navigate shift
Je désire partager cette application pour gérer les contacts c'est une version démonstration, il est vraiment intéressant et très fluide, il permet d'afficher ses contacts en photos ou en icônes en page d'aujourd'hui et de naviguer en glissement
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thanks again , .. einstein (albert) is my friend lol
sorry for my bad english( google translate)

good program
i will test it
thanks

Interesting ..
I've saw this app on Handago, and thought about giving it a try, but I'm in love with pocketcm. But I'm interested to know who much ram this thing takes, if and when someone uses this app?

hmm... I'm using PocketCM which I love, but I'd like something to give me quick access to certain contacts from the today screen (speed dial). This might be a little more than I'm looking for.

robosiris said:
I've saw this app on Handago, and thought about giving it a try, but I'm in love with pocketcm. But I'm interested to know who much ram this thing takes, if and when someone uses this app?
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I am using it and its about 1mb of memory and I think the CAB is only about 500kb

iggy said:
I am using it and its about 1mb of memory and I think the CAB is only about 500kb
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Does it require flash?? I noticed on the website it said something about that.
Thanks,
Curious G

no flash.lite...

No Flash involved. The memory used depends on the resolution of your device as we do some caching here and there to keep the animation smooth.
The binary that does all the work is about 200kb (the file is larger but most of it are graphic resources). On a 240x320 device caching should take an additional 140kb (but it can be reduced if you disable the reflection effect).
Some additional memory may be taken by Outlook Mobile when you interact with dialog boxes to Edit contacts, select contacts and so on.
Please let us know if you have any feedback.
BTW: the bad news is that after months of work, we released this yesterday, and, guess what, it's already been cracked. So while were planning to add some further features soon (such as the ability to instantly filter contacts by category via the right softkey in the Today screen), we may give up all this for the time being and literally WASTE time making it more for difficult to crack (which of course will also make the software larger and slower).
It's a very stupid world sometime...

This looks like a nice app. I can't seem to find the cab file. I am on my Treo. Could someone pls post the cab file. G8ly appreciated

Just visit www.cnetx.com using your Treo, visit the download page and it will automatically download the CAB file for you.
BTW: the CAB file is signed with a Microsoft M2M security certificate, so the process should be pretty smooth indeed.
Enjoy.

I installed it on my CDMA vogue/touch and I *really* like it so far. I have it inside my ultimatelaunch UI and its working great.
Couple points:
-the cracking thing sucks, but all software gets cracked. Its a fact of life. When it comes to PPC software, if I like it, I'll buy it. Most here on this forum will too. I like to support the community. I wouldn't be that disheartened.
-Features I'd like
1) automatically import my all my contacts or contact groups. It would be much faster than adding 1 by 1.
2) ability to resize the picture. The size it is now is okay, but I wanted to make it a bit bigger, although that might distort the picture I guess
3) maybe have multiple rows. If you have a few dozen contacts, you won't be able to see them (they will be "stacked" in the corner so-to-speak). I would like to be able to maybe put a dozen in one row, a dozen in the next (or however many I want per row) and so on.
If I don't find any bugs and I like it, I WILL buy it. Your price is fair.
Matt

1 - Install Cnetx face without serial
2 - In today, remove plug-in
3 - soft reset
4 - Copy dll and paste on windows folder (replace)
5 - run Cnetx face
unlock using 11111111111111
link for programe + crack
enjoy
WAREZ not permitted here you've been warned.

Torayem said:
1 - Install Cnetx face without serial
2 - In today, remove plug-in
3 - soft reset
4 - Copy dll and paste on windows folder (replace)
5 - run Cnetx face
enjoy
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NO WAREZ please remove link

Torayem said:
1 - Install Cnetx face without serial
2 - In today, remove plug-in
3 - soft reset
4 - Copy dll and paste on windows folder (replace)
5 - run Cnetx face
unlock using 11111111111111
link for programe + crack
enjoy
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For Pete's sake, give me a f***ing break. This is the reason why developers are decreasing by the hour. It's a shame. Hackers have been cracking apps for the longest, but scammers have even gone so far as to take what developers here created (for free, including ROM's), and selling them on ebay. I'm not even a developer (or cook) of any kind, just a avid supporter, and it pisses me off.
Sorry, I had to vent when I saw this.

how signal to moderator??

Hey Matt,
thanks for your positive comments and your suggestions for future improvements.
Actually as I mentioned in my earlier post, one of the things we have in mind is to add support for contact categories, and this could indeed include adding contacts by category (or by "All Categories"). This should increase "usability", which as you can probably see was one of our main concern during development.
A nice looking UI is simply useless if not effective at accessing information. And most photo dialers or FAV apps fall short exactly in this area. With most of those apps, once you add more than a handful of contacts you simply get lost, because they lack indexing, sorting, direct access to contacts by initial and so on. And then you have to access a separate application and UI to make any little change to your contacts.
That's why, together with the 3D interface, we also focused on sorting, and indexing, or jumping to a contact by simply pressing the corresponding letter on the thumbboard or software panel, and making sure that all kinds of contact management tasks could be performed directly from Face Contact.
As for the size of pictures, actually, we already have support for that, as we handle different screen sizes and resolutions (so internally we are able to cope with different dimensions). But we don't expose any method to let the user resize the interface, which indeed could be another improvement.
Last but not least, as for the guy who just posted the crack here, I don't know exactly what the rules are here at "xda-DEVELOPERS", but I have a feeling he probably did it on purpose after reading my comments of how "stupid" all this is.
To put the whole thing in perspective, I'll say that seeing your own worked cracked hours after it's released, tells you that you probably released something good, or nobody would have bothered.
The stupidity is that, as it is now, something between 5% and 10% of the size of the binaries is probably code dealing with the registration, encrypting keys, supporting a black list to disable keys to are made public, and so on. Which is completely useless stuff.
And it took hours to crack anyway.
The idea of spending more time developing more useless stuff (to make the software more difficult to crack) simply make me sick. And I know, someone at the end will still crack it after a while, and in the meantime the binaries will be larger and slower, because of all this useless stuff.
And you never end.
So, as far as we are concerned, instead then focusing on developing features, we waste time on such useless stuff, trying to make the life of whoever is cracking more difficult. Which means that the cracker himself will also waste more time to succeed at cracking, instead than using his time and abilities to do anything useful. And so on and on and on.
And in the meantime, as a byproduct, the software itself gets larger, slower and full of useless stuff.
That's exactly how stupid it is.

im using the trial
the only request or thing thatd keep me from buying it is
1. it starts at one and not "centered"
2. it doesnt have an option to revolve
3. there isnt an option to hide the name or set it as name only... meaning no (h) (m) or (txt)
these are all simple fixes im sure, if these options could be added, im sure many users besides myself would love and purchase it.
great job guys, keep up the good work

I'm pretty sure that user will get banned as it's xdas policy not to allow warez. too bad for that user.
Looks like a nice app... but i don't have that many contacts with pictures. Would be great for someone that does though i bet.

ROCOAFZ said:
I'm pretty sure that user will get banned as it's xdas policy not to allow warez. too bad for that user.
Looks like a nice app... but i don't have that many contacts with pictures. Would be great for someone that does though i bet.
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it comes with icons and the option to choose a cropped picture of your choice.... its quite cool... especially if they allow it to revolve!

Hey Michael,
thanks for your feedback.
I'm not sure I understood everything you suggest though:
1) yes, at startup, or after a soft reset, it shows the beginning of the list, but thereafter it simply stays wherever you leave it... so if you leave it on a contat at the center of the list, it will remain there, until you move to a different contact, and so on... I'm afraid I don't understand what you are suggesting...
Or do you mean "centered within the today screen"?
If the latter is the issue simply go to the Contact Manager and then Menu > Display Options, and check the "Hide plugin icon" options... this will make it "centered".
2) By revolve, do you mean start all over when you are at the end of the list?
If this is the case, actually we considered this (and as you suggest it should be pretty easy to implement). The point is that it may get "confusing", because you could be missing a contact and simply go through the list again and again without even realizing. Also, if contacts are sorted, seeing "A" after "Z" could also be a little puzzling.
Anyway, if this is what you meant, we'll experiment and see if it actually makes sense without becoming distracting (as I said it is something that we were considering to at the beginning of development).
By the way, are you aware that you can instantly jump to the beginning or end of the list by pressing an appropriate key (on your thumbboard or software input panel)?
3) this is indeed easy... and as I think of it now, I understand that there are actually some people who don't have their "work contacts" on the phone, and only have "friends and family"... so indeed, as you suggest, the option of displaying only the name should be given.
I have some concern though on hiding completely the caption... as this would also remove the Index-Tracking letter while scrolling, which I believe is quite helpful if you have many contacts, as it tells you where you are in the list while scrolling.
The same applies the (m), (h), etc. which is meant to give you a clue of the number called if you simply hit the START CALL key of your phone... which is the quickest and easiest way to place a call with Face Contact....
So it seems quite important to know in advance what number is going to be called., huh?
But nevertheless, as you said, all such things could be just "options": we could set the "default" at the same settings we have now, and then give each user the ability to change them as preferred.
So thanks for your feedback.

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I think the best way to get xda on our handhelds is to install to the forum a mobile theme like this one: Mobile, Cell, Phone, PDA, iPhone Style, and also this Mobile Phone / iPhone / PDA Detection and Style Assignment
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I was actually think about something like this before but when puprosed my idea was shot down. I would think an app like this would majorly depend how off then page layouts change here at xda. BUT with that said i have never seen them really change over the three years ive been here. This should be a pretty easy app to make i would think... I have very limited programming skills but ill look into this...
Thanks for post this .

I think that to have the background notifications it might require extra modifications or software on the server side. Ask the admins or server manager if they would allow such things.

TheParadox said:
I think that to have the background notifications it might require extra modifications or software on the server side. Ask the admins or server manager if they would allow such things.
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Well, they have it set up to send E-Mail notifications, so the server's and software is already set up. All the program would have to do is to intercept that message. I don't know the admins but I'm guessing I can find their account on XDA, so I'll look into talking with them.

ace10134 said:
Well, they have it set up to send E-Mail notifications, so the server's and software is already set up. All the program would have to do is to intercept that message. I don't know the admins but I'm guessing I can find their account on XDA, so I'll look into talking with them.
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I thought you meant notifications via the app. Email notifications will not be hard

TheParadox said:
I thought you meant notifications via the app. Email notifications will not be hard
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Well it would be notifications via the app, but it could use the same infrastructure as the email notifications, it would just show up in the App where everything is integrated in.

ace10134 said:
Well it would be notifications via the app, but it could use the same infrastructure as the email notifications, it would just show up in the App where everything is integrated in.
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Meaning the app would have to have a filter to only filter emails from xda to the app it self right....Just trying to help this get started and the basics down

TheParadox said:
Meaning the app would have to have a filter to only filter emails from xda to the app it self right....Just trying to help this get started and the basics down
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yea I was thinking that would work. The other option is that we work with how the server and XDA software actually works with the notifications. Then we could make a more efficient system because email notifications wouldn't work properly. They wouldn't work because the formatting is different. If we want a dedicated App, then we don't need the whole "Dear _____, ____ has just replied...".
I believe the best method would be to use the system that they already have going with the email notifications but work with the admins to modify it some so it would be designed specifically for the app. We first need a developer, though. I'm gonna try contacting an admin right now. I'll post back with what happens.

ace10134 said:
yea I was thinking that would work. The other option is that we work with how the server and XDA software actually works with the notifications. Then we could make a more efficient system because email notifications wouldn't work properly. They wouldn't work because the formatting is different. If we want a dedicated App, then we don't need the whole "Dear _____, ____ has just replied...".
I believe the best method would be to use the system that they already have going with the email notifications but work with the admins to modify it some so it would be designed specifically for the app. We first need a developer, though. I'm gonna try contacting an admin right now. I'll post back with what happens.
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Alright I have limited experience with VB on windows mobile so Idk how much I could help.

Proof that it can be done: PPCGeeks APP
That's based on the same forum technology, so maybe we could hack it to use our forum? And then add our additional features like background notifications.
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Alright I have limited experience with VB on windows mobile so Idk how much I could help.
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Would you, Paradox, know how to use that PPCGeeks app linked above and create an XDA-Dev app off of it? You might have the know-how to do that since you have some experience.

You mean decompile it? Umm no. Its not really plausible it is but it would but very very hard. Best Ive decompiled was a Axe that I decompiled to the batch source.

TheParadox said:
You mean decompile it? Umm no. Its not really plausible it is but it would but very very hard. Best Ive decompiled was a Axe that I decompiled to the batch source.
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Oh ok. Well I tried asking the creator of the PPCGeeks app for help, but he hasn't responded yet. If we got his source code, then we could possibly make it work, right???

I wonder if there is a way to work with this:
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=208412
Basically create a Windows Mobile client for that vBulletin plugin.

dumpydooby said:
I wonder if there is a way to work with this:
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=208412
Basically create a Windows Mobile client for that vBulletin plugin.
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Yep, good idea, that's what I just wanted to suggest before I've read your post.
It just makes much more sense, it increases the number of potential donators, it's innovative (there are twitter clients, facebook clients, but what about bulletin board clients ??), the common framework will make the code more robust (due to testing of the code on many other forums), and it's probably well documented, etc
The interface could work like the RSS Hub:
- on the first page you can choose among any forum you have subscribed to with a pre-configured username and password (e.g. XDA Development and Hacking, PPC Geeks PPC software, XDA Blackstone, etc.) ;
- one level deeper, you would see the top Y thread titles with customizable basic information/symbols such as tags, attachments, views, posts, etc., landscape could offer more information ;
- on the third level, you would see the posts with basic posting functionality ;
- the posting screen would resemble the SMS screen.
Naturally, such a client would probably have reduced functionality : e.g. of course it would not be possible to register a new login via the client, etc.
EDIT: I apologize to dumpydooby, your link says all this without any words and in an easier understandable way.

dumpydooby said:
I wonder if there is a way to work with this:
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=208412
Basically create a Windows Mobile client for that vBulletin plugin.
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Hmm, well that's only for the iPhone. It'd be a lot easier to work with the PPCGeeks one, but at least this proves once again that it can be done.
I found this on the web: http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=174375&page=13
It's a mobile view mode for the vBulletin board that the admins could put into the website code. It would still require that we visit via a web browser, but that's all we can get right now. Once we get a developer or the source code for the PPCGeeks app, then we might have a chance of making a dedicated app.

ace10134 said:
Hmm, well that's only for the iPhone.
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It's two parts that work in tandem.
One part is a server-side script, which is platform independent. It is a vBulletin plugin developed in PHP.
The other part is client-side, which at the moment only exists as an iPhone application.
I'm suggesting that we work on developing a Windows Mobile client-side application that communicates with the vBulletin plugin.
Again, the plugin to which I linked is platform independent. It's a vBulletin plugin. The iPhone counterpart is just a client and basically irrelevant.

Hey guys... I am hibby50 creator of the PPCGeeks App. I would be happy to make an XDA App. However I have very little spare time so I cannot say how fast I can go. I did respond to your PM via the email address so sorry if it didn't go through. The facts are that I am only 13 years old and go to school in the US seven hours a day with about two hours of homework. Then I spend my free time with friends and on PPCGeeks. I will try to set aside some time for this.

hibby50 said:
Hey guys... I am hibby50 creator of the PPCGeeks App. I would be happy to make an XDA App. However I have very little spare time so I cannot say how fast I can go. I did respond to your PM via the email address so sorry if it didn't go through. The facts are that I am only 13 years old and go to school in the US seven hours a day with about two hours of homework. Then I spend my free time with friends and on PPCGeeks. I will try to set aside some time for this.
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Hey,
Sorry I never got your email, but it's great to hear that you'd like to help! You have summer soon, right? I'm in high school so I have a similar schedule probably. Well it's great to know that you will work on it when you have time.

Yep, summer on June 23rd I can whip one up right now. but it will have the same ppcgeeks look (I.E. same blue graphics)

hibby50 said:
Yep, summer on June 23rd I can whip one up right now. but it will have the same ppcgeeks look (I.E. same blue graphics)
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That's fine if it looks similar. I knew it would be easy to "whip one up", lol, cuz of the same forum technology.
But some questions: Does your PPCGeeks app have background notifications or a system that tells you that you have unread replies? We were planning on putting in a system like that, which would be awesome. You can see the first post here for what we thought would be perfect in the app, if you haven't already read it yet.
But yea, go ahead and whip up a quick version as soon as you can! We'd love to test it out!

[Q] SQLite Bibles

I'm working on a Honeycomb optimized bible app for my new Transformer, and I was wondering if anyone knows a good source for bibles in sqlite format that are free to distribute. I believe the KJV is public domain in most countries, so that will probably be my starting point. I also want to include the option for supporting a number of different translations though, so I'd prefer to find a common table format that I wouldn't have to modify. I found a few versions available here, but I'm not really happy with the format. Anybody know any other sources?
I'm hoping to have at least a proof of concept version together within the next few days. If anyone is interested, I can post it here for people to try out and give feedback.

May I suggest using a different method? Storing an entire book in an sqlite database doesn't seem smart.
I'd try a text based approach, one verse per line, with an sqlite index used for quick navigation and lookups. this also allows for much better compression.

Thanks for the reply. Could you explain why using a database isn't a good idea? It seemed like a good idea to me, and every existing bible program I've seen uses that approach. Could you explain your proposal in a little more detail? Are you suggesting a plain txt file to store the whole thing?
Sorry if I'm misunderstanding something, I don't actually have any real education in any kind of development. Just an enthusiastic amateur

I'd be most definitely interested. I've used PocketBible for years, but there was nothing really for Droid. So I bought AcroBible, but the interface was clumsy and adding books was really jacked. So lately I've been using Tecarta. It has an easy to use interface and is cheap. I bought my TF because I do a lot of Bible teaching and thought it would be easier to handle than the paper stuff. So what I'd really like is a side by side arrangement, where I could place my own notes (several pages per class) and on the other side have an independently scrolling Bible, much like Tecarta's split screen for viewing two translations at once.
I'd be more than happy to be a beta tester for you.
John 3:30

jideay said:
I'd be most definitely interested. I've used PocketBible for years, but there was nothing really for Droid. So I bought AcroBible, but the interface was clumsy and adding books was really jacked. So lately I've been using Tecarta. It has an easy to use interface and is cheap. I bought my TF because I do a lot of Bible teaching and thought it would be easier to handle than the paper stuff. So what I'd really like is a side by side arrangement, where I could place my own notes (several pages per class) and on the other side have an independently scrolling Bible, much like Tecarta's split screen for viewing two translations at once.
I'd be more than happy to be a beta tester for you.
John 3:30
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That's basically exactly what I'm planning. One thin fragment to display a list of available books, and the rest of the screen split evenly between the bible content (verses) and a notes pane. I'll mock up a UI demo first since I don't want to start too much work on the behind the scenes stuff until I decide on a bible container/format. I'll post the UI demo for comments on usability, etc.

I would very much like to Beta test for you as well. I'm currently using the Latin Vulgate bible from the Market and while I like it well, I'd like to have multiple translations (possibly Greek as well?) at my fingertips.
While I wish I could help with the programming side, I can definitely commit to thoroughly testing for you.
Best of luck!

fatbas202 said:
I would very much like to Beta test for you as well. I'm currently using the Latin Vulgate bible from the Market and while I like it well, I'd like to have multiple translations (possibly Greek as well?) at my fingertips.
While I wish I could help with the programming side, I can definitely commit to thoroughly testing for you.
Best of luck!
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This is why I really need to find some common format. Nothing would change on the code side to display different translations, you just point it at a different source and everything works correctly.
I was kind of hoping I could use the databases that the Youversion bible stores on your SD card, but they are encrypted (understandably). It would be great to have a 3rd party source (ie, not me) to handle licensing, distribution, and format control for a wide variety of bibles/translations. It's not looking like that is going to work out though. The search continues. In the meantime, UI stuff.

Youversion ftw

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Youversion ftw
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Youversion is awesome on my phone, not so much on my TF. I'm sure they will ultimately develop a tablet friendly version, and with the wide variety of translations they offer I'm sure it will be my go-to app eventually.
That said, I thought this would be a fun project to learn how to use fragments.
I found a couple sources for bibles in XML format as well. I'll have to do some performance testing on those vs sqlite based bibles.
Unfortunately I haven't gotten any time to play with this yet, and I'm going to be out of town all weekend (hog hunting then working on a house my wife and I are building). At this rate, youversion might have something available before me!

bedoig said:
Thanks for the reply. Could you explain why using a database isn't a good idea? It seemed like a good idea to me, and every existing bible program I've seen uses that approach. Could you explain your proposal in a little more detail? Are you suggesting a plain txt file to store the whole thing?
Sorry if I'm misunderstanding something, I don't actually have any real education in any kind of development. Just an enthusiastic amateur
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Sorry for the late response. The problem with storing it all in the DB is it will be slow. Databases aren't designed to store massive amounts of text like an entire book.
Imagine trying to display an entire chapter (or whatever they are called in the bible). You'd have to do SELECT * FROM verses WHERE chapter='1' ORDER BY verse ASC. SQLite then needs to read megabytes of text and send it back to you, which is going to be slow.
With a DB + flat file approach, you can do something like: SELECT line FROM chapters WHERE id='1' -- this would get you a single number, which points to a line number in bible.txt. Then if you wanted chapter 1 verse 5, you take that line number, add 5, then read that line from the file. This should be much faster than storing the entire book in a database, and allows for dead simple language support (can have kjv.txt, niv.txt, etc).
I would offer to help further with the project, but am a strict atheist. I do wish you all the luck with the project, though.

Gary13579 said:
Sorry for the late response. The problem with storing it all in the DB is it will be slow. Databases aren't designed to store massive amounts of text like an entire book.
Imagine trying to display an entire chapter (or whatever they are called in the bible). You'd have to do SELECT * FROM verses WHERE chapter='1' ORDER BY verse ASC. SQLite then needs to read megabytes of text and send it back to you, which is going to be slow.
With a DB + flat file approach, you can do something like: SELECT line FROM chapters WHERE id='1' -- this would get you a single number, which points to a line number in bible.txt. Then if you wanted chapter 1 verse 5, you take that line number, add 5, then read that line from the file. This should be much faster than storing the entire book in a database, and allows for dead simple language support (can have kjv.txt, niv.txt, etc).
I would offer to help further with the project, but am a strict atheist. I do wish you all the luck with the project, though.
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Thanks for the input. That would allow the flexibility I'm looking for, but would probably require me to set up all the translations myself. I was hoping to use some of the existing resources that are out there, which seem to consist of sqlite or xml.
XML might work OK on a desktop, but I'm not sure the performance will be at all acceptable on a mobile device. I was looking at possibly using SAX to parse the XML bibles I found. We'll see.
Anyway, thanks for the responses

I'm using my church's (LDS) App, and it works great on my Transformer!
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.ldsscriptures.scriptures&feature=search_result
It's free too

Olivetree's products do work...I'm using an NASB w/Strongs. Its fairly customizable but I don't use the integrated notes or anything.

Got a little time to work on this over the last couple days. Basic concept is running. Any comments on the overall layout? I was going to go with a 3 column approach where the chapter list replaces the book list when you select a book, but I think this 4 column layout works better (books | chapters | verses | notes). This allows the fastest possible navigation, and the additional chapters column is really skinny so you don't lose much space for the rest of the content.
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Things are coming along nicely. I still have a lot of work to do on the notes section, but the bible portion is basically done. Very happy with the performance too... its fast
If anyone wants to test it out let me know. Otherwise I'll be making the first release after the notes section is functional.

Count me in please. I would love to test things out for you as well.
Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk

bedoig said:
I was kind of hoping I could use the databases that the Youversion bible stores on your SD card, but they are encrypted (understandably).
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Hmm, I'm almost positive I opened up their SQLite databases a long while back without issue. It may have been on my iOS device at the time though, so it could be different with Android.
Either way, for a standard I would checkout AndBible. Several months ago I thought about trying to get into Android development to make a Strong's Concordance, but when I found AndBible gave it up. They use all public domain stuff hosted on some website that you can download.
I have a MySQL database of NIV, NKJV, NLT, KJV, and a few others. If you're interested PM me. They DO NOT contain formatting markers though, which may make it useless in a book form (I sure wouldn't want to read a Bible without proper formatting ), and I'm not sure about the licensing or anything as I got them free from a piece of open source software and don't use them for anything but personal use. KJV is license free though.
I'd also be interested in checking out what you have.

onfire4g05 said:
Hmm, I'm almost positive I opened up their SQLite databases a long while back without issue. It may have been on my iOS device at the time though, so it could be different with Android.
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Maybe they figure that iOS devices are more secure since they don't really provide file system access or removable storage. The ones that were downloaded by the Android app seemed to have the scripture fields encrypted. I could view the table structure, see the names of books, etc... but the verses themselves weren't readable.
onfire4g05 said:
Either way, for a standard I would checkout AndBible. Several months ago I thought about trying to get into Android development to make a Strong's Concordance, but when I found AndBible gave it up. They use all public domain stuff hosted on some website that you can download.
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I'll check that out, thanks.
onfire4g05 said:
I have a MySQL database of NIV, NKJV, NLT, KJV, and a few others. If you're interested PM me. They DO NOT contain formatting markers though, which may make it useless in a book form (I sure wouldn't want to read a Bible without proper formatting ), and I'm not sure about the licensing or anything as I got them free from a piece of open source software and don't use them for anything but personal use. KJV is license free though.
I'd also be interested in checking out what you have.
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I have personal (hard)copies of the NIV and NKJV, so would definitely be interested in the databases for personal use. I really don't want to get involved in licensing, so if I distribute anything it will probably be the KJV. If my program is compatible with external resources it shouldn't be an issue though.
I'm actually not all that concerned about the formatting markers at this point. For a reading program I agree they're important, but I'm currently viewing this as more of a quick study/lookup/note-taking kinda thing. Speed and ease of use are my biggest goals. There are already so many good programs that handle longer reading sessions well. Hope that's not too disappointing. Long term I'd like to format everything properly, but I have a lot of other features planned that will come first.
I was going to wait until I've got the notes section done, but if anyone wants to play around just for fun I could go ahead and post it. I like using the Market since it makes handling updates super easy, but I don't think this is really ready for the general user yet. Maybe I'll post the apk here for the time being.
Edit - apk is attached. It's best to just ignore the notes section for now, the current setup is just a textview as a placeholder.
*** The bible.db.zip MUST be unzipped at "/sdcard/Bibles/". If you don't have the database saved at /sdcard/Bibles/bible.db this will not work.
Let me know what you think, but keep in mind this is still very early.
Edit2 - oh, and take a look at the landscape vs portrait layouts. At first I had the notes section below the verses when in portrait but I took it out for the time being. It worked fairly well though, so I'll make it a user selectable option in the future. Let me know your thoughts either way.

Took a shortcut and used code from the Google Notepad example to fill out my 'notes' section. I think it works good enough for a first release, but I'll probably have to re-do it to accomodate my long-term plans. Version 0.1 will probably be released as a beta on the market within the next couple days.
Anybody have any comments on the bible section? Anybody want to test the full market version before release? If so, I need quick feedback or its useless.

New thread opened for the release of the app on the market. Please make any requests / comments there.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1138355

VirtualGamepad (Demo & Beta) Released

VirtualGamepad - Play Desktop Games On Your Windows 8 Tablet
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Hi guys, after a few months and a few posts in XDA's Windows 8 Development forum, it's time for the official demo and beta release of VirtualGamepad for Windows 8 Tablet. I look forward to your feedback here and on the VirtualGamepad website. I would like to thank Netham45 for his initial release.
The Freeware Demo is obviously free, the Beta is currently in a phase of Donationware.
There's a couple of reasons for that, among them :
1 - Build a pool of dedicated Beta Testers who are going to be involved in the forums and on my issues database.
2 - Build new features that would require costly 3rd party licenses (Hardware Joystick Emulation for example).
3 - Cover some of the development costs including the website, new tablets for better support, etc. ( I don't even know if it still works on Windows RT !)
You can get the Freeware for free. You can also donate and get the Freeware, Beta and Future Release. It's your call.
Initially, netham45 wanted to release it for free to XDA members and I want to respect that. If you were a standing member of XDA by November 20th 2013, contact me to get the discount code This code is meant for XDA members only, so please do not share elsewhere. Also, please use your XDA account name to register.
LilCthulhu aka Christian
http://virtualgamepad.net
http://palmtime.net

Well, sadly it doesn't work on RT. Installer itself is x86 app; trying to run app gives no error, but task disappears from task manager in few seconds.

kitor said:
Well, sadly it doesn't work on RT. Installer itself is x86 app; trying to run app gives no error, but task disappears from task manager in few seconds.
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Thanks for the feedback, I've added that issue on my bugtracker (website) and will be working on it...

hello, good job, thx!
How i can make buttons on analog joystick as up down left right? (not wasd)
Sorry for my bad english...

NDeaz said:
hello, good job, thx!
How i can make buttons on analog joystick as up down left right? (not wasd)
Sorry for my bad english...
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Hello,
The demo is currently limited to WASD, the beta version allows you to assign different keys to the four directions in the analog joystick ! I will also try to make some tutorial video asap

VirtualGamepad Update Version 1.01
Hello,
A new version of VirtualGamepad has been released today. This version should enable Windows RT compatibility, answer a few feature requests and address a few issues. It does require higher administrative rights as we found them necessary for certain games like Elder Scroll Online.
If you have already downloaded VirtualGamepad, log in into your account and your updates will be available here.
Windows may warned you about this new release, it is totally understandable considering the increased security requirements. I will eventually get a trust certificate allowing me to sign VirtualGamepad properly. In the meanwhile, it’s a matter of trust between you and me.

Great program should make desktop games much better on tablets. I have an 8" tablet that I run at 125% magnification, and this seems to cause some of the buttons to be off center. Not a huge deal as I can run at 100%, but heres a screenshot of what happens at 125%.

spunker88 said:
Great program should make desktop games much better on tablets. I have an 8" tablet that I run at 125% magnification, and this seems to cause some of the buttons to be off center. Not a huge deal as I can run at 100%, but heres a screenshot of what happens at 125%.
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Thank you very much for this snapshot. Is it only affecting the visual aspect of the game or is the control off center too ? Does the WASD joystick work properly ? I see you have the latest update, that's great. I'll put this issue in the issues database and try to figure out a solution. I think I know how to do it... but that would require me to check what is the current value of the magnification.

LilCthulhu said:
Thank you very much for this snapshot. Is it only affecting the visual aspect of the game or is the control off center too ? Does the WASD joystick work properly ? I see you have the latest update, that's great. I'll put this issue in the issues database and try to figure out a solution. I think I know how to do it... but that would require me to check what is the current value of the magnification.
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Its only the visual part, for example the top left directional pad buttons look offset but they actual buttons line up with the circle where they should. So the position of the d-pad graphic would need to be lined up with the circle at 125% and everything would work.
I'll have to see how games work at 125%, I may end up just switching back to 100% when I plan to game if their graphics are messed up as well.

spunker88 said:
Its only the visual part, for example the top left directional pad buttons look offset but they actual buttons line up with the circle where they should. So the position of the d-pad graphic would need to be lined up with the circle at 125% and everything would work.
I'll have to see how games work at 125%, I may end up just switching back to 100% when I plan to game if their graphics are messed up as well.
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FYI : I have already fixed this issue in my development environment, it'll be release with the next update... probably in a few days once I have enough fixes to justify another release I need to implement an update notification so I don't have to email all my user everytime there's an update

LilCthulhu said:
FYI : I have already fixed this issue in my development environment, it'll be release with the next update... probably in a few days once I have enough fixes to justify another release I need to implement an update notification so I don't have to email all my user everytime there's an update
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I just release an update that should fix this issue and should now be Windows RT compatible...
[2013/11/25] VirtualGamepad Update Version 1.02 @ http://virtualgamepad.net/

LilCthulhu said:
I just release an update that should fix this issue and should now be Windows RT compatible...
[2013/11/25] VirtualGamepad Update Version 1.02 @ http://virtualgamepad.net/
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Working great at 125% now, thanks for the update.

So, have you sold many copies of this?

netham45 said:
So, have you sold many copies of this?
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Well let's say they are very few... I'd really like people to participate on the forum though, get feature request, etc. Hopefully, in time enough to cover for the website and plugins cost.

When I looked at the code a few months ago and decided to completely rewrote it in C#, the idea was to answer my own need on having such a utility (Gameplay from Gestureworks was still unannounced and Overwolf's touch controller was (back then) only a video).
When PalmTime was "kinda" founded 15 years ago to do PalmOS, WindowsCE and PsionS5 development, it was a small group of developers working together on a bunch of little projects. Back then we released PocketChess with TinyWare, Pyramid, Frotz (Zork) Emulators, Missile Defense, etc. I'd like to bring that spirit back.
My intentions right now is to re-invest everything back into the development and support. It's to build some sort of community for people to share their virtual gamepad, etc. participate on the forum and issues database. Donation are nice, but for me, they don't beat the interest people may have to it. I'd rather have 20 users from XDA join in on the fun and participate on the forum right now than 1 donation... But although I'll admit, I'd like to cover for some of the cost:
Website registration.
Website skin.
Cart plugin.
Then I'd like to re-invest:
Get a Publisher Certification (found a cheap provider)
Hardware Analog Joysticks : either get a Driver Signing Certification (found a cheap provider) or embed a 3rd party solution to emulate.
Add more functionality.
Eventually push feature in the freeware, etc...

I can't download any of the demos. They all take me to an error page with "Sorry but your download link has expired."

Overlay in fullscreen?
Not sure if I'm doing something wrong. Got the program installed and created a few controls. All works fine and controls games/apps when there in a windows but as soon as I try and run anything full screen the on-screen controls disappear?!
Thanks

CaliLove310 said:
I can't download any of the demos. They all take me to an error page with "Sorry but your download link has expired."
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Sorry about the inconvenience, it should be fixed now. Obviously, I'm out of town and things stops working The issue should be fixed now. Part of learning that plugin that manage the downloads
Chris

inquisitor03 said:
Not sure if I'm doing something wrong. Got the program installed and created a few controls. All works fine and controls games/apps when there in a windows but as soon as I try and run anything full screen the on-screen controls disappear?!
Thanks
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From the about page :
It supports “Windowed Fullscreen” and “Windowed” mode games. It does NOT support “Fullscreen” mode as it would requires injecting the UI into the game’s graphic library. Which is often perceived as a EULA violation. Regardless we are not responsible for any EULA violation resulting from using VirtualGamepad.
I modified my download page and should have put that information there somehow... It's on the feature list on the main page too. But I undersdand the confusion.
BUT it's something we, for sure, would like to implement. Put your game in windowed mode for now

VirtualGamepad v1.3.0.0 has been released
Hello,
VirtualGamepad v1.3.0.0 has been released and is available for download at http://palmtime.net/virtualgamepad/download/.
There are many new features, including an automatic update notification and self-update feature. I strongly suggest that you also register to our Facebook, Google+ or Twitter account so there won't be any need for emails in the future. You can read about the latest update at http://palmtime.net/virtualgamepad/2013/12/23/virtualgamepad-version-1-03-beta-demo/
Happy Holidays and Happy New Year
Chris

OEM ROM Building thread

Well, MS has done it and essentially spilled the beans to get other OEMs to build new Windows Phones. It costs $99.00 USD (a standard Corporate Account). I've signed up with this using my personal domain and it apparently takes 2 days for validation from Symantec. Everything available as of 2/23/14, is at http://oem.windowsphone.com.
Here's the workflow for the whole process.
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Here's part of the tool in action:
Debugger in action:
Just your everyday Visual Studio usage:
OS Image Process:
Test Central Tool:
That's everything public facing so far. We'll still have to see about the Qualcomm page though, I signed up and got verified, but still can't access the WP reference design.

And what can we exactly do with your corporate account ?

Wow... it sure *looks* like the full deal! Custom applications, services, and drivers. Extra capabilities for OEM apps. Boot-time services. Custom store sections. Debugging tools. So many cool things...
Of course, they are going to try and verify that these OEMs are legit companies, so we might not be able to use this... then again, maybe we will...?
An ID_CAP_INTEROPSERVICES app (which OEMs are allowed to use and publish on the store) with all the different OEMs interop-based registry libraries (RPCComponent for Samsung; there seems to be one for each OEM). Make it check which OEM's device it's running on, then interop-unlock and at least lay the groundwork for capability unlock (the bootstrap step; full capability unlock is directly possible if the library supports writing REG_MULTI_SZ values). Ideally, hide it inside some other, more innocuous-seeming app... whatever. This totally *could* work. We would need to be pretty circumspect about it though, if you don't want it to get banned right away...

GoodDayToDie said:
Wow... it sure *looks* like the full deal! Custom applications, services, and drivers. Extra capabilities for OEM apps. Boot-time services. Custom store sections. Debugging tools. So many cool things...
Of course, they are going to try and verify that these OEMs are legit companies, so we might not be able to use this... then again, maybe we will...?
An ID_CAP_INTEROPSERVICES app (which OEMs are allowed to use and publish on the store) with all the different OEMs interop-based registry libraries (RPCComponent for Samsung; there seems to be one for each OEM). Make it check which OEM's device it's running on, then interop-unlock and at least lay the groundwork for capability unlock (the bootstrap step; full capability unlock is directly possible if the library supports writing REG_MULTI_SZ values). Ideally, hide it inside some other, more innocuous-seeming app... whatever. This totally *could* work. We would need to be pretty circumspect about it though, if you don't want it to get banned right away...
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Naaawwwwwww...... I wouldn't mind actually publishing apps for XDA users, but it still all depends on if MS accepts my account. I still don't have a good enough hold on C# to actually wrap one of our apps to look like something else. It would be ingenious to hide it behind a button in an about page or something, e.g. OOPS! I FOR GOT TO REMOVE A DEBUG FEATURE. looks at samsung.

GoodDayToDie said:
Wow... it sure *looks* like the full deal! Custom applications, services, and drivers. Extra capabilities for OEM apps. Boot-time services. Custom store sections. Debugging tools. So many cool things...
Of course, they are going to try and verify that these OEMs are legit companies, so we might not be able to use this... then again, maybe we will...?
An ID_CAP_INTEROPSERVICES app (which OEMs are allowed to use and publish on the store) with all the different OEMs interop-based registry libraries (RPCComponent for Samsung; there seems to be one for each OEM). Make it check which OEM's device it's running on, then interop-unlock and at least lay the groundwork for capability unlock (the bootstrap step; full capability unlock is directly possible if the library supports writing REG_MULTI_SZ values). Ideally, hide it inside some other, more innocuous-seeming app... whatever. This totally *could* work. We would need to be pretty circumspect about it though, if you don't want it to get banned right away...
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This WP8 could be a clone of Android (cyanogenmod and OmniROM for WP for example, root services for apps...) and maybe lose security such as viruses, malware and Trojans. Microsoft must look into every corporate accounts to check its actions and valuate.

Marocco2 said:
This WP8 could be a clone of Android (cyanogenmod and OmniROM for WP for example, root services for apps...) and maybe lose security such as viruses, malware and Trojans. Microsoft must look into every corporate accounts to check its actions and valuate.
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Still, the bottleneck is getting the apps into Windows Phone Store/Marketplace, assuming MS actually tests submissions.... The other issue is that you can't exactly build a ROM for an existing device, you almost need an army of devs to code the drivers for the device, none the less attempt decompiling the existing ones. I really only wanted to see MS's reference design for WP...

GoodDayToDie said:
Wow... it sure *looks* like the full deal! Custom applications, services, and drivers. Extra capabilities for OEM apps. Boot-time services. Custom store sections. Debugging tools. So many cool things...
Of course, they are going to try and verify that these OEMs are legit companies, so we might not be able to use this... then again, maybe we will...?
An ID_CAP_INTEROPSERVICES app (which OEMs are allowed to use and publish on the store) with all the different OEMs interop-based registry libraries (RPCComponent for Samsung; there seems to be one for each OEM). Make it check which OEM's device it's running on, then interop-unlock and at least lay the groundwork for capability unlock (the bootstrap step; full capability unlock is directly possible if the library supports writing REG_MULTI_SZ values). Ideally, hide it inside some other, more innocuous-seeming app... whatever. This totally *could* work. We would need to be pretty circumspect about it though, if you don't want it to get banned right away...
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soooo, does this mean interope unlock for other phones?

hashmiakbar said:
soooo, does this mean interope unlock for other phones?
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Re-read the piece that you quoted.

That windows phone kit allows you to create an os image and flash it.
Sent from my RM-917_nam_usa_100 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App

The other issue is that you can't exactly build a ROM for an existing device,
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Exactly. You won't be able to flash it unless you have MS and *your OEM* certificates
basically, I am sure it is just a WP Adaptation Kit - which is useful as it has a lot of headers. But I barely see it useful for actual hacking (rebuilding might be nice, though But I doubt it might be better than OSB8 from user's point of view )

ultrashot said:
Exactly. You won't be able to flash it unless you have MS and *your OEM* certificates
basically, I am sure it is just a WP Adaptation Kit - which is useful as it has a lot of headers. But I barely see it useful for actual hacking (rebuilding might be nice, though But I doubt it might be better than OSB8 from user's point of view )
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It would bring a new meaning to "custom" roms

Well, here's the message I just got this evening. Just means I actually need to pursue incorporation to proceed... Someone here might be a business owner and offer insight to "make a legitamate business." I wouldn't mind trying to figure out what I need to do, but I know at the US Federal level it's not easy/I hear lots of small businesses have issues.
Anyways, its seems like this is an advanced version of the tools for Windows Embedded Handheld, designed for OEMs instead of secondary manufacturers, which don't want to muck with the base phone, but tack on a scanner or something of that nature.
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What, would only need to have a real registred company? No matter what it does? does it need to be in the US or EU also ok?

Well, you can create a company like cyanogenmod inc.
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thals1992 said:
It would bring a new meaning to "custom" roms
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At which point? Still the same unless you have phone bsp sources

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At which point? Still the same unless you have phone bsp sources
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Well, you are building a ROM with official tools w/ essentially seems to be a simple wizard for building ROMs.
Also do we know how to access MMOS and do we know what it does? The way its conveyed in the site is an emergency debug mode e.g. Qualcomm MSM...
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I'm pretty sure it said MS will provide the BSP for standard platforms... stick to known parts and you should be fine.