I've been looking through HTC website out of boredom and found something interesting. They have two different sections for Magic, one for Vodafone Magic and another for plain HTC Magic:
http://www.htc.com/www/product/magic/specification.html - HTC Magic
http://www.htc.com/europe/product/magic/specification.html - Vodafone Magic
If you look closely, you will notice that some specs are different, such as RAM (288mb for HTC version, 192mb for Vodafone) and mainboard Qualcomm® MSM7200A™ for HTC, Qualcomm® MSM7201A™ for Vodafone.
Now I wonder whether this is just typo/wrong info on the website or Europeans received inferior hardware?
P.S. Not to mention that US will receive a 5Mpix camera in their Magic, which will be another hardware rendition.
The size and weight differs a bit also. But there are atleast one typo in the Vodafone specs since it doesn't say that the phone has AD2P (which the HTC version says) although the Vodafone version confirmed has AD2P.
mainboard
Regarding the mainboard, there is basically no difference between the MSM7200A and MSM7201A. The renaming is due to the patent infringement suit between Qualcomm and Broadcom in the US.
any ideas on when the HTC verison will be released unlocked to the US?
same thing here in Australia- HTC australia website- http://www.htc.com/au/product.aspx
have 2 different versions of the magic... not sure why anyone would want to go for the voda.... its inferior to the HTC.... why would voda do this instead of just rebadging the HTC version?
MSM7200A (the mainboard in HTC Magic) uses 90nm technology, while MSM7201A (the one in Vodafone Magic) uses more advanced 65nm. Potentially this can lead to less power consumption on the latter device.
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MSM7200A (the mainboard in HTC Magic) uses 90nm technology, while MSM7201A (the one in Vodafone Magic) uses more advanced 65nm. Potentially this can lead to less power consumption on the latter device.
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What would the significance of this be? Care to take a guess at how much battery life it would add?
No idea, really. It just seemed logical to me. Also, additionaly RAM can potentially drain more power.
And considering how Android handles multitasking, excessive amount of RAM is not necessary (when you switch from one application to another, the first one is actually closed and it's state is saved. When you switch back to it, it is being launched again restoring last saved state. Of course it doesn't apply to top layer applications such as IM which stay resident in memory all the time - this is how Google answered the "why can't we close/exit apps question which arose end of last year)
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No idea, really. It just seemed logical to me. Also, additionaly RAM can potentially drain more power.
And considering how Android handles multitasking, excessive amount of RAM is not necessary (when you switch from one application to another, the first one is actually closed and it's state is saved. When you switch back to it, it is being launched again restoring last saved state. Of course it doesn't apply to top layer applications such as IM which stay resident in memory all the time - this is how Google answered the "why can't we close/exit apps question which arose end of last year)
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Yea I remember Google saying that as well; there is no need to close apps. I still think that I would prefer apps always running more smoothly than having the extra battery life. If you can get things done quicker with more RAM then you don't have to suck on the battery for as long therefore saving more battery. That would mean that the difference in battery life is not so significant however there is an added performance boost with more RAM.
I agree, but then I wonder why Samsung is releasing i7500 with 128mb of RAM only.
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I agree, but then I wonder why Samsung is releasing i7500 with 128mb of RAM only.
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They probably gave it up for other features, cause that device packs a punch for its body.
I think I read a story about the original device not being as good as the known one today. Supposedly some company taunted them that they the camera was bad, had no flash, no SD slot and was excessive in thickness. Don't know if it was true but their device now is
So is there any confirmation from a magic-type device on how much RAM it has? The HTC UK page says 192MB while the main HTC page says 288MB. The recent gizmodo review of the google ion phone say it has 288MB but I'm not sure how that was determined. Is there a way to see how much ram a device has from within the phone's OS? Someone with a google ion phone needs to look at the spec in the documentation, if any.
I thought perhaps the 288MB was a typo since many of the new WinMo phones have 288MB as well. The leaked sapphire service manual from March shows 192MB Ram.
There's basically some confusion because the device has been re branded many times.
As far as I know (in terms of hardware) the only difference between them is the RAM.
The Vodafone Magic has 192MB RAM.
The HTC Magic has 288MB RAM.
The Google Ion also has 288MB RAM; it is the same as T-Mobile's Magic; T-Mobile's Magic is the same as the HTC Magic.
Why would Vodafone ship a phone with less memory compared to T-Mobile/Google? Seems pointless, concidering that there can't really be any price difference.
cruzzade said:
Why would Vodafone ship a phone with less memory compared to T-Mobile/Google? Seems pointless, concidering that there can't really be any price difference.
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Maybe Vodafone don't have to pay as much for it; they get more money. Most people probably wouldn't notice anyway.
Yeah but that was my point, decreasing RAM with ~100mb can't really make any noticeable difference at all, especially not since it means there has to be two different production lines for the same phone. I don't really think that economy is behind such a decision.
ma3a20 said:
There's basically some confusion because the device has been re branded many times.
As far as I know (in terms of hardware) the only difference between them is the RAM.
The Vodafone Magic has 192MB RAM.
The HTC Magic has 288MB RAM.
The Google Ion also has 288MB RAM; it is the same as T-Mobile's Magic; T-Mobile's Magic is the same as the HTC Magic.
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The Vodafone spec page is wrong.
My UK Vodafone Magic is reporting 288MB of Ram.. (Well 295MB, but that's using "Useful Switchers" and from what i can ascertain this is a rounding error)
If anyone knows of any marketplace app that can show me my memory accurately in MB please let me know - if anyone wants a screen shot let me know and i'll upload later.
Cheers
Andrew
andyathome said:
The Vodafone spec page is wrong.
My UK Vodafone Magic is reporting 288MB of Ram.. (Well 295MB, but that's using "Useful Switchers" and from what i can ascertain this is a rounding error)
If anyone knows of any marketplace app that can show me my memory accurately in MB please let me know - if anyone wants a screen shot let me know and i'll upload later.
Cheers
Andrew
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Are you sure you're not looking at 295MB of free user storage? I remember seeing an Ion screenshot with that same 295MB number and another number showing how much free space on the SD card.
Please open up Terminal application and issue the following command:
cat /proc/meminfo |grep -i memtotal
Please post your findings here. It would be interesting to see values from Vodafone, TIM and Google Ion devices.
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Please open up Terminal application and issue the following command:
cat /proc/meminfo |grep -i memtotal
Please post your findings here. It would be interesting to see values from Vodafone, TIM and Google Ion devices.
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# cat /proc/meminfo |grep -i memtotal
cat /proc/meminfo |grep -i memtotal
MemTotal: 98920 kB
# cat /proc/meminfo
cat /proc/meminfo
MemTotal: 98920 kB
MemFree: 5404 kB
Buffers: 8 kB
Cached: 23848 kB
SwapCached: 0 kB
Active: 73536 kB
Inactive: 5392 kB
SwapTotal: 0 kB
SwapFree: 0 kB
Dirty: 0 kB
Writeback: 0 kB
AnonPages: 55096 kB
Mapped: 15104 kB
Slab: 7316 kB
SReclaimable: 956 kB
SUnreclaim: 6360 kB
PageTables: 3384 kB
NFS_Unstable: 0 kB
Bounce: 0 kB
WritebackTmp: 0 kB
CommitLimit: 49460 kB
Committed_AS: 920936 kB
VmallocTotal: 155648 kB
VmallocUsed: 63576 kB
VmallocChunk: 65532 kB
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WTF?!
I have the Vodafone Magic.
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HELLo
Is there Jasjar With 128 Ram as a second edition ???
thx
afaik there is no support for >64mb ram in windows mobile. therefore no version of uni or any other device. even if you add ram to uni (there are slots for it).
I thought the Athena had 128mb ram
Yes, it has.
Pantaloonie said:
Yes, it has.
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like HP IPAQ 6815 !!!
darkheroz said:
like HP IPAQ 6815 !!!
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It has 64MB ram
r3bel said:
afaik there is no support for >64mb ram in windows mobile. therefore no version of uni or any other device. even if you add ram to uni (there are slots for it).
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wrong, ba and hima have 128mb
universal used to (pre-production) have 128mb, hence the extra slots. however just soldering the memory is not enough, something else (hardware, proabbly capacitor) must be added before the motherboard detects it. after then it is an easy modification to make wm5/6 see it
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wrong, ba and hima have 128mb
universal used to (pre-production) have 128mb, hence the extra slots. however just soldering the memory is not enough, something else (hardware, proabbly capacitor) must be added before the motherboard detects it. after then it is an easy modification to make wm5/6 see it
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ba and hima don't have the 64mb flash tho? they use 64mb of it for storage therefore still 64mb ram.
i'm fairly sure someone tried it and it didn't work.
You are wrong, any wm support up to 512 mb of ram... and ce 6 even more. somehow the only way to have 128 in uni is to open a pre-production and see how it is soldered. one guy had a uni with 128 ram and wm2k3se, but he cracked the screen and the money he got for his 128 mb board and 2k3 rom was enough to buy a new one, with 64mb
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You are wrong, any wm support up to 512 mb of ram... and ce 6 even more. somehow the only way to have 128 in uni is to open a pre-production and see how it is soldered. one guy had a uni with 128 ram and wm2k3se, but he cracked the screen and the money he got for his 128 mb board and 2k3 rom was enough to buy a new one, with 64mb
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ooooh
*prepares hynix order form*
I dont have the answer until now i mean my jasjar has 128 rom 64 ram
is there second edition with 128 ram 128 rom ???
What is the actual RAM in the device?
The X1 has 384 MB RAM but you'll note that the device information screen says 256MB. This is because the X1 also has an additional 128MB RAM that's only accessible to the CPU/3D chip. There isn't really anyway way to know this apart from taking SE's work although HTC also confirm this but we're looking for a way for end users to verify for themselves
source:
http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs/index.php/2008/10/13/sony-ericsson-xperia-x1-answers
already discussed, this thread is duplicated
and if you read the full answer, you will find:
"There isn't really anyway way to know this apart from taking SE's work although HTC also confirm this but we're looking for a way for end users to verify for themselves."
So, performance seems confirm the presence of 128mb of vram, but for now we cannot be sure of that
guap said:
already discussed, this thread is duplicated
and if you read the full answer, you will find:
"There isn't really anyway way to know this apart from taking SE's work although HTC also confirm this but we're looking for a way for end users to verify for themselves."
So, performance seems confirm the presence of 128mb of vram, but for now we cannot be sure of that
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well, just posted this to notify you all, one of my relatives (wifes cousin) is a developer at SE in sweden, and he say's it got it, but hey he could be wrong...
and the other thread was about it NOT having that much ram...
So, performance seems confirm the presence of 128mb of vram
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uh, how so?
seeing is believing
got to be sceptical,
if it's not stated anywhere than it's not there.....
if one believe it that it has 384 RAM,
might as well assume that the x1 also had swiss knife build in, 2Ghz dual core processor, nuclear powered, what ever one can imagine.....
well, now i see how experia is the ultimate machine,
as it is really up to your imagination.
xcesspda said:
got to be sceptical,
if it's not stated anywhere than it's not there.....
if one believe it that it has 384 RAM,
might as well assume that the x1 also had swiss knife build in, 2Ghz dual core processor, nuclear powered, what ever one can imagine.....
well, now i see how experia is the ultimate machine,
as it is really up to your imagination.
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Very funny
xcesspda said:
the x1 also had swiss knife build in, 2Ghz dual core processor, nuclear powered, what ever one can imagine.....
well, now i see how experia is the ultimate machine,
as it is really up to your imagination.
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Are you willing to repeat that in front of [insert famous/important/very important persons name]?
Anyway, fu** this, my notebook has 128mb vram and I play fu****g Tom Clancy first person shooters! WTF is wrong with those fu****s putting 128mb vram in a fu****g cellphone! Geeeez I'm so fu****g male but I think I seriously gonna get my period very soon over that device and what gets speculated about it...!
(is writing fu** ok btw?)
Hi guys.
I have a Hero which I bought eaelier this month.
I know, since it says so on the box, that this phone should have 288MB of RAM. Still, the device information apps on the market all say that my phone has 192MB of ram. Why is this happening?
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Sent from my HTC Hero
Some part of RAM memory is reserved for Phone usage
That's the RAM available for applications to use the rest is reserved for the core phone to function
I have 101 applications installed in my phone. In internal phone storage available space is 148MB only.My question is what might be decreased 1GB of storage to 148MB. Is it because of so many applications??
Does this effect RAM??
Is 256MB of RAM included in 1GB??
Help me out...
rajeshmorampudi said:
I have 101 applications installed in my phone. In internal phone storage available space is 148MB only.My question is what might be decreased 1GB of storage to 148MB. Is it because of so many applications??
Does this effect RAM??
Is 256MB of RAM included in 1GB??
Help me out...
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512mb for apps
256mb for ram
128 for graphics
as far as i know this is correct, but correct me if im wrong people
sofir786 said:
512mb for apps
256mb for ram
128 for graphics
as far as i know this is correct, but correct me if im wrong people
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Well, for starters, that doesn't equal 1GB.
iead1 said:
Well, for starters, that doesn't equal 1GB.
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896MB
Where are the forgotten 128 MB?
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PoTi_96 said:
896MB
Where are the forgotten 128 MB?
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I think we have 386MB of RAM.
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Bourbon Brain said:
I think we have 386MB of RAM.
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Correct. Android 1.6 can only handle 256MB (i think anyway). Its like Windows XP and the 3.2GB RAM limit - sure you can put more than that in the machine but it will only see the maximum amount it can use.
384 but close enough ;-)
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More RAM?
mrtim123 said:
Correct. Android 1.6 can only handle 256MB (i think anyway). Its like Windows XP and the 3.2GB RAM limit - sure you can put more than that in the machine but it will only see the maximum amount it can use.
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can anyone see the size of the RAM being increased over time, perhaps not with 2.1 but in the future, only reason i'm asking is because this is one of the few 1ghz high end phones with less than 512mb of ram and this is a requirment for android 3.0. thinking ahead here . it's just dissapointing to know :/
i'm still very excited about 2.1's arrival which i have been searching for almost every day
just got my xperia x10 last week after a long hard choice between that and the HTC desire and i've never really been a Sony Ericsson fan as all my old phones had software issues and crashed a lot, not what i expected.
Any way it really is a brilliant phone but like everyone says 'the outdated software' is the phones only major dissapointment.
PoTi_96 said:
896MB
Where are the forgotten 128 MB?
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sorry lol forgot to mention the 1.6 limitation on ram lmao
xX_o2_Xx said:
this is a requirment for android 3.0. thinking ahead here . it's just dissapointing to know :/
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Can you find me some proof or source? 3.0 doesn't exist right now, so it can't have "requirements".
Please stop spreading FUD.
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Can you find me some proof or source? 3.0 doesn't exist right now, so it can't have "requirements".
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there have been some posts on websites about the recommended requirements, which to be fair seems a bit steep for a mobile operating system, now unfortunately i can't past the link you'll have to Google 'android 3.0 recommended requirements' or something similar
details below
Android 3.0 Gingerbread will be released in mid- October (around 15 -16th), 2010. First handsets shipping in November/December – for the Holiday Season.
Minimum hardware requirements for Android 3.0 devices are: 1GHZ CPU, 512MB or RAM, displays from 3.5” and higher. (We all, of course, heard that Android handsets with 2GHz CPU’s are coming)
New 1280×760 resolution available for the devices with displays of 4” and higher. (Anyone thinking about Android tablets now? )
Completely revamped user interface. If you want to get a feeling of what Android 3.0 Gingerbread UX is like, check out the Gallery App on Nexus One. The same overall feel, light animated transitions,etc. Natively, through all the UI.
Android’s split into 2 branches becomes official. 3.0 for top of the line/high end devices. Cheap, low-end mass market handsets will keep Android 2.1/2.2
Eldar also confirmed my musings about the death of third party User Interface shells like HTC Sense, MotoBlur, etc;. Android 3.0 basically kills the need for them.
Still, there’s some hope for third party vendors here – while Google takes over the UI on the high end, vendors get to keep their UI shells/improvements on mass market Android smartphones, running Eclair or Froyo.
Update: I posted an update to this post, where I address Dan Morrill’s tweet, and do some corrections/clarifications regarding the upcoming Android update number issues, “minimum” specs – thay are actually only “recommended”, and the the split between high end Android 3 – low end Android 2.2 devices – it’s not an official Google policy, but it is happening nonetheless.
When I run diskusage it shows me having 465 for data so it looks like we dont even get 512. Will the 2.1 update let us install all this stuff on the sd card?
give me your opinions about the Samsung Focus RAM
According to Microsoft, the RAM is 512.
Not sure who to believe MS, or the general interweb information.
M.
I emailed Samsung PR and they said it will have 512MB of RAM.
Thank you all guys
you gave me hope!!!!!!
ryotgz said:
I emailed Samsung PR and they said it will have 512MB of RAM.
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Nice one, thanks!
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Nice one, thanks!
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Yea I just hope they didn't get it confused with the ROM size... AT&T has a PDF spec sheet that says 256MB. Only time will tell I guess.
Well I emailed Samsung PR again and got a response that makes me weary about the 512MB of RAM email I received. I asked how much ROM space (not storage space) the phone will have and got 8GB. I even stated in the email not to confuse with the 8GB of user storage. So it could in fact have 512MB ROM, 256MB RAM. Man, I hope Microsoft's WP7 website is right.
If that's the case, I may have to get the Surround even though I don't want to...
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Well I emailed Samsung PR again and got a response that makes me weary about the 512MB of RAM email I received. I asked how much ROM space (not storage space) the phone will have and got 8GB. I even stated in the email not to confuse with the 8GB of user storage. So it could in fact have 512MB ROM, 256MB RAM. Man, I hope Microsoft's WP7 website is right.
If that's the case, I may have to get the Surround even though I don't want to...
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That's exactly my line of thinking - surround instead of focus if the focus only has 256mb of RAM.
But, watching the videos of the focus it looks as fluid as the other 512mb RAM phones.....maybe 256mb is all you need. Particularly given the fact that the Windows OS spreads across RAM (inc. the memory card).
The Focus will have 512mb not 256mb. This is a specific Microsoft WP7 requirement.
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The Focus will have 512mb not 256mb. This is a specific Microsoft WP7 requirement.
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I hope you're right. Because I saw the specs that Microsoft required a minimum of 256MB. AT&T has a spec sheet that shows 256MB as well. I want AT&T to be wrong and MS website to be right.
Every review I've seen today shows only 256mb of ram. With the lack of 3rd party multitasking apps I don't see this as being a major problem. Having said that I would have liked the phone to have 512mb just in case. You can never have too much ram.
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The Focus will have 512mb not 256mb. This is a specific Microsoft WP7 requirement.
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You're wrong WP7 specific requirement is 256mb of ram or higher. 8gb of storage or higher. Did you see the keynote 6 months ago. The LG quantum being released on At&t will also have 256mb of ram. The surround will have 512 with 448mb available to the user.
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You're wrong WP7 specific requirement is 256mb of ram or higher. 8gb of storage or higher. Did you see the keynote 6 months ago. The LG quantum being released on At&t will also have 256mb of ram. The surround will have 512 with 448mb available to the user.
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I stand corrected.
Samsung Focus is the phone I want to get without settlling. THe HD7 is a little too big for me, I might as well get a tablet. However like a few people here, I might have to settle for the HTC Surround if the Focus does indeed only have 256MB RAM.
Sure it may be acceptable now with 256MB but MS could release Windows Phone SP1 or SP2 with multitasking enabled. I also know too many iPhone users who will gloat if I get a phone with less RAM than theirs. I am still up in the air and wish the decision were easy if the Focus had 512MB RAM or the Surround had a microSD slot.
If I do get the Surround, it looks like I will need to sell this 32GB microSD card I just purchased..
The thing is Microsoft recently updated their 'at-a-glance' WP7 site to correct inaccuracies and it still shows the Focus at 512MB RAM.
[www dot microsoft dot com/presspass/presskits/windowsphone/glance.aspx]
Yes! Engadget confirmed the RAM is 512MB and the ROM will be 1GB! The Samsung PR lady that emailed me was right.
Engadget Focus Review
Engadget.com just updated their review earlier today saying the Focus has 512 RAM and 1GB ROM. Which is.good to know.
Also said, unlike any other WP7 phone, you can expand memory using micro sd slot. Only problem is it supposedly wipes your device every time you put one in or take it out. So don't take it out.
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Engadget.com just updated their review earlier today saying the Focus has 512 RAM and 1GB ROM. Which is.good to know.
Also said, unlike any other WP7 phone, you can expand memory using micro sd slot. Only problem is it supposedly wipes your device every time you put one in or take it out. So don't take it out.
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The Venue Pro is also expandable
Made2Last said:
Engadget.com just updated their review earlier today saying the Focus has 512 RAM and 1GB ROM. Which is.good to know.
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The question is : does this applied to the omnia 7 ?
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The question is : does this applied to the omnia 7 ?
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Microsoft's website shows the same RAM & ROM. So there's a good chance it will.
Good news indeed. This and the GPS (concerns it would suffer the same as the Galaxy S devices) were the only two things holding me back from this device. Now, November 8th can't get here soon enough.