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Would like your advice!

Hi people. Im about to change phone. Right now i am/was so willing to get X1, but it looks like that that i liked so much about my N series phone was the ability to install plenty of apps and games with no problems at all. It looks like this WM OS and phones with it differ at lot from each other and there are plenty of compatibility issues (ex. the WVGA screen limit5s games a LOT) emulators too (even with the hgher cpu they dont roon as smooth as in Symbian) and hell, a lot more things. i also think X1 screen, because of its 16:9 nature, is small for it being a touch screen....
im not sure few days ago saw nokia N97 and thought THAT is my thing, but wont be able to buy it on summer, only during this month, so cant wait...(i dont live in USa nor EU)
I was hoping you could give your advice about this, i like advance devices and OS, i somehow like WM, but never thought of its limits. NO, i dont want Touch HD nor any other only touchscreen phone. I liek keyborad, better if Kwerty. and even though BB's tempt me (all my friends have em) not willing to pay that much for such limited cell-phones.
Thanks in advance

I thought a resolution change will always affect the compatibility on any device regardless it is running on wm or symbian or android...
I just switch from a iphone and loving the x1.... it feels much smoother than my iphone... but maybe thats because I installed a lot of apps on it to slow the iphone down
you will need a little time to adjust for the new phone... but once you get use to it it almost feel like its just another touch screen with a keyboard for sms/email...

uhm.. thanks for answering...
any1 else???

went from n73 to this...must say im not looking back..only problem is the n73 loudspeaker was stronger..but who cares really

jahd5000 said:
Right now i am/was so willing to get X1, but it looks like that that i liked so much about my N series phone was the ability to install plenty of apps and games with no problems at all.
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which N series did you have? If we are talking S60v3, then you should love WM in this regard. No signing of any kind or hacking the phone for doing more than just scratching the surface. I left Symbian mainly because of that (second reason being UIQ is dead and I refuse to be a betatester for Nokia's first touchscreen phones) and looked to what I thought was the best OS at the moment.

Jabe said:
which N series did you have? If we are talking S60v3, then you should love WM in this regard. No signing of any kind or hacking the phone for doing more than just scratching the surface. I left Symbian mainly because of that (second reason being UIQ is dead and I refuse to be a betatester for Nokia's first touchscreen phones) and looked to what I thought was the best OS at the moment.
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uhm well yeah that whole signin thing sucked... but still gotta admit s60v3 had way more apps and games than WM...
most of good WM good apps are kind of old and run at resolutions that would mean a ridiculously small display in a corner at Xperia's WVGA screen

I switched from a Nokia N95 and I hold it was the right decision.
The N95 was slow, the slider was poorly manufactured, the display resolution was bad. I even disliked the "registering 3rd party programs before installing"-crap.
Also the webbrowser crashed with nearly all the sites I use and the EMail-client did not do as I wanted.
And although all the functions I wanted to use did not work, the battery was gone after one day.
Maybe I just had bad luck, but for me it was my first Nokia and it definitely was my last!
I was very disappointed with the N95 because I thought I'll get a smartphone but I just got an overprized ordinary mobile phone with a quite good camera and a 3.5mm phonejack.
Now, with the X1, I really have a pocketpc. It checks EMails every 10min, I can install all the 3rd party programs I want, the display is fantastic and for the games that don't work with the wvga resolution, I simply use WVGAfix3 (the 2nd version made a lot of problems with my phone).
I now have a scheduler, navigation system, messenger, pocketpc and a phone in one device.
Of course, I encountered a few problems, but I'm confident they will be gone with the first update.

I stopped with symbian at the Nokia 6310i (what an amazing battery life - thing wouldn't die!).
From then the Prophet, Trinity, Kaiser, Raphael and now Xperia.
Anyway, I think the Xperia is the best so far, and windows mobile definately has lots of opportunities (just past early adopter stage). I must admit, I spend a lot of time tweaking, customising etc - but it's nice that you can do that.
Previous phones were a little unstable, but so far Xperia is 100% reliable. Haven't had any problems (reliability wise). Expensive though, so maybe its an idea to go try both in the store first?
A friend of mine had the N95 (I think) and cursed and swore every day because he was reflashing it left right and center.
Besides that, I find WM more compatible with the office things I need (at this point).

just try both device before you buy...
I'm using xperia for a month right now, and I'm satisfied with it, I admit that initial firmware/ROM needs lot of fixes, but I'm sure future ROM will improve xperia x1...

with symbian you can't fix issues yourself, with winmobile you can, and both system have issues on new devices.
Afterall the matter is: do you need a phone that can be used a pda (symbian) or a pda that can be used for make phone calls (winmobile)?

jahd5000 said:
but still gotta admit s60v3 had way more apps and games than WM...
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really ? I think I only installed 4 progs on my last s60 device, all the rest seemed tat.
freewarepocketpc are claiming over 6700 titles for Wm, and that's freeware

fards said:
really ? I think I only installed 4 progs on my last s60 device, all the rest seemed tat.
freewarepocketpc are claiming over 6700 titles for Wm, and that's freeware
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ok, but many of those 6700 are only minor tweaks, like making this icon bigger, or organization, hundreds of chnage interface things which are not that determining (does that word exist?)
game on WM are mostly boring against Symbian's...(example, WM= 1000 variations of each: Bejeweled, Solitaire, and other blocks/cards games; Symbian has of all genres)
thats what ive noticed on most sites (including warezs) and nice games ive found, already said this, are not exactly very compatible with X1 screen. Yes, there is WVGAFix3 (which, for what ive read, doesnt apply for everything) but still to see half of the screen in black...dunno... :S
anyways, im going al the way with X1 as my first WM device, optimistic.

Convince me HD2 is a damn good phone!

Hi all, New guy here. So I'd been waiting a good couple of months for the HD2 and thought it would be an awesome 'consumer' phone.
I got it Monday 11th January and i'm not blown away by this phone. Dissapointed in fact.
But why though. I see alot of enthusiasts for the HD2 on here but I'm just not getting it. Basically Its alot phone and alot of money, with pretty much, not much substance or not much cool stuff on it.
What is getting you guys excited about it?
So this threads asks you to put my faith back in the phone.
The problems I have are this: -
The HTC UI/Skin I don't like much. Is there an alternative out there that isn't Windows Mobile 6.5 Default Skin?
Can you add more Widgets to the HTC UI Slider??
The only cool app is the pre-loaded game 'Teeter', Other than that there isn't much.
I can't use the Exchange Feature as I don't have an Exchange outlook mailbox to connect to, so that feature is wasted
Does anyone know if Windows Live will fully sync with WinMo 6.5. I refer to the calendar on Windows Live?
Do I keep this phone, and wait for WinMo 7 in the hope '7' is going to be something special and amazing to look forward to that would be on par with Iphone/Android?
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Now If I was using this as a Business Phone, it would undoubtedly be brilliant, cos its WinMo! But it's not, its for personel use.
Should I just send it back and just wait for the Nexus One?
Thanks

or you can do your homework BEFORE you make a purchase...

hd2 like previous HTC phones is all about the potential for you to customize to exactly what you want. you can literally do anything you want with your phone as long as you search enough. i don't think that's the same with the iphone etc. there's a lot of apps out there you just have to find them.
thing is most non-techie people won't be able to or won't bother do this hence why i never recommend it to some people

HTC HD2 is eating iphone and omnias for breakfast!
is that convincing enough?

What is getting you guys excited about it?
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For me personally? The screen. The design. The functionality. The blistering speed. The screen. The ability to stand out from the crowd and lord it over iPhone sheeple. The Sense UI. The prospect of XDA chefs releasing cooked roms and increasing the phone's functionality and performance. Did I mention the goddamn beautiful screen?
I bought the HD2 to do the following:
(a) watch movies & tv (DID I MENTION THE 4.3" SCREEN?)
(b) play music
(c) browse the internet
(d) play games
(e) use it as a personal organiser/wordprocessor
And I can say with absolute certainty that this phone has met and exceeded my expectations in all respects. I. Love. This. Device. Maybe you don't. That's fine. But if none of the above has enlightened you then take it back and get something else.
Thank you, come again.

or you can do your homework BEFORE you make a purchase...
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I had done my research and was impressed by the video reviews I've seen. Perhaps I didn't drill down hard enough.
doodles123 said:
hd2 like previous HTC phones is all about the potential for you to customize to exactly what you want. you can literally do anything you want with your phone as long as you search enough. i don't think that's the same with the iphone etc. there's a lot of apps out there you just have to find them.
thing is most non-techie people won't be able to or won't bother do this hence why i never recommend it to some people
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Yeh, I hear you on the customizing thing. I was just wishing it worked sraight out of the box. Guess theres a fair bit of customizing to do before you perfect it in your own eyes.

H2D2 said:
For me personally? The screen. The design. The functionality. The blistering speed. The screen. The ability to stand out from the crowd and lord it over iPhone sheeple. The Sense UI. The prospect of XDA chefs releasing cooked roms and increasing the phone's functionality and performance. Did I mention the goddamn beautiful screen?
I bought the HD2 to do the following:
(a) watch movies & tv (DID I MENTION THE 4.3" SCREEN?)
(b) play music
(c) browse the internet
(d) play games
(e) use it as a personal organiser/wordprocessor
And I can say with absolute certainty that this phone has met and exceeded my expectations in all respects. I. Love. This. Device. Maybe you don't. That's fine. But if none of the above has enlightened you then take it back and get something else.
Thank you, come again.
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what he said
(you sound like a nokia man)

(you sound like a nokia man)
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I got two phones. One is my company phone which is a Samsung WinMo, does the job beautifully.
Personal phone was a Samsung Tocco. I'm not a fan of Symbian one bit!

Im using my HD 2 as a data collector, so the phone options are secondary though reception in fringe areas is exellent
Ive used WM devices for data collection for over 6 years now: hx4700, trimble nomad. and the HD 2 is the best yet
Using Oziexplorer for gps navigation and VectorLink for data collection, The HD 2 is faster and more responsive then the Nomad.
The built in gps is no slouch either almost as good as our globalsat BT-338,s.
Just waiting for the extended battery to complete the unit.

well... from the looks of it iphone 3gs should suit op bit better. more entertaining out of the box, lots of eyecandy and sweet simplicity.
see... hd2 is like a pc when iphones are more of a gaming consoles. they do have a sort of raw power, but no multitasking and access to the system. hd2 out of the box is more or less empty device and if You don't have a clue what to do with it at this point, then more likely You should sell it.
my hd2 works as a gps satnav, ebook reader, audio and video player when bored away from home, web browser, email client, im communicator, organiser, gaming console (psx emulator when lonely and don't feel like reading), phone (!) and lots of others. basically - same as all my previous winmo devices, but faster, on bigger screen and with multitouch. how cool is that??

The phone is pretty much like a PC you need to set it up the way you like it and install the apps on that you like. Everyone's HD2 is going to be different, for me a great fun app I found here today is Aurora, I can't stop messing about with it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d0N2B6FrDA

Hi,
I've just come from a zPhone 3G. I'm so glad I didn't get the 3GS!
I've only scracthed the surface I'm sure but the HD2 is so much more than the zPhone.
I've got it setup just the way I want it, it'll do things the Apple won't
I was asking the same question as you last week...
Cheers,
Gavin

Why we love our HD2? Guys, share with me

These days, I've seen way too many threads like "Goodbye HD2, hello Iphone", "Htc Hd2 bye bye" or "Wtf with this phone". I cant stand it. So I want to have a praise thread for our HD2, our beloved and best one, also want to share my opinions on the HD2 and Winmo generally for everyone to see and think.
Here are some type of opinions quite popular these days:
"Windows mobile 6.5 is a dead os for lack of a better term and also know that the development for apps for it is going to taper and die off at some point"
"HD2 is too buggy, laggy, errors"
"Winmo is a waste for HD2"
"Where are the games and apps?"
"Not work out of the box?"
To answer, first of all, I dont care about apps that Iphone or Android has.
I dont play games much now so that's a second point. Although they do have some very interesting like Tunewiki or Layar, that's the only thing I miss from my old 3GS and Hero. And if u paid so many money for games on iphone, why dont paid a 5 Euro more for Fpsece, to have the best experience about PS1 games on a mobile device so far.
Secondly, about basic apps, Winmo wins.
For videos: I dont have to spend hours to find a good convert program and hours to config and wait for the converted file to transfer to my phone, Coreplayer and TCPMP serve them right.
For ebooks: the most popular format is prc, Mobipocket reader wins again, I dont have to convert either.
For office: what can win over office mobile, please show me, I have no idea about this.
And u know what, Winmo has these basic things and apps for free!!!
Third, the true multitask:
Winmo has been a winner since the start. I agree that Iphone can be jailbreak then install e.g Proswitcher, but that's not so convenient like Winmo. The basic thing about Android is it never really closes an app, keeping it running in the background for quick response, but that only makes Android become slower and laggy just like Winmo. But for convenient, and with a power specs like HD2, it's so great in terms of multitask for me.
Fourth, the screen:
HD2 has a great and super beautiful 4.3 inch screen. I can never go back to a 3.2 (Hero) or 3.5(Iphone) now, I will consider for a 3.7 one. Watching photos, videos, viewing documents, surfing. It's superb with HD2. And please dont expect a device with great screen like that to have a good battery life. More than a day with normal usage is so enough. I got 1.5 days or even more than 2 days with my HD2.
Fifth, and the best one imo, CUSTOMIZATIONS
Winmo is the best world for customizations, for devs and chefs. It got history, and it's truly popular, right? I love to tweak my phone, customize it the way I one, change every weeks or even every days, so I cannot get bored with it. And look at this forum, so many manila mods have been built and definitely going on and on. From maxmanilla, cookie home tabs, GTX, all are wonderful and amazing. I cant thank them and all the chefs here enough.
Now, look at Iphone, what can u do with this easy to get bored home screen, except for changing icons?
And even android, it's not easy to customize it without rooting. And things to customize so far? Not much, I see.
For all that has errors, bugs, laggy, I think it's just u to make the phone like that, not the phone itself (if it's not a defective one). Too many report shows the phone works out of the box, count me in for that. I went with stock rom for a month at first with nothing went wrong.
Winmo to me is never a dead OS like it seems now. It's still growing strong in the world thanks to xda, yes, xda is the one that makes it strong, imo. We love to tweak, we love to customize, we love to share our knowledge and stuffs, so we are here. If u just dont feel like to tweak, u better not be here, xda is not some place where u can just complain and complain everyday for ur own faults.
Finally, HD2 is not a waste to me to run Winmo, it's best with Winmo.
Whew, my longest post so far. Guys, dont leave me alone, come and praise our HD2, I know u will.
List the best things u ever had with HD2 and show the world
P.S: it's just my opinion, but we all have private and personal purposes for using mobile in our life, so that we have personal choices on mobile, so please dont flame on me so hard, haha

1. big screen - can see web pages better than my x1a 3" screen
2. software options (still compatible with the software i use on my old phone) tomtom 7 - no need to have a data connection to use gps, slick im - use this when im on the move, option of using several different types of web browsers (ie, opera, opera mini, skyfire)
3. phone is unlocked and can use it as a prepaid phone.

Exactly mate, should have mentioned the chasing game between apple and devs, it's really annoying sometimes. And the price for an unlock iphone is really ridiculous.

You know, I have both the Nexus one and HD2, but I am really thinking of selling my HD2. I love all the things you have mentioned, but texting is kind of a big deal to me. With an HD2, the keyboard so choppy, no matter the rom I try. If I can somehow fix it, bye bye nexus. If not, well...

Just thinking would there be a phone that has a screen larger than 4.3" in the future or this is the biggest already? By the way 4.3" wide is a common size for GPS device.

gtb5 said:
Just thinking would there be a phone that has a screen larger than 4.3" in the future or this is the biggest already? By the way 4.3" wide is a common size for GPS device.
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The athena had a 5inch screen.... but you couldn't use it as a regular handset. You needed to use either bluetooth headsets or speakerphone. It was a cool phone, though.

You guys covered it
I agree with everything you guys said, except texting prob, I use swype, love it!! By far best phone I've ever had!! Just added, msvc, love it, just made perfect, better!!

My main reason for choosing HD2 over iphone or android devices is privacy!
I don't have to have apple and google knowing everything about me!

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exactly my thoughts.

I love it because the great hardware I saw this as a newstep after the qualcomm 528 mhz. Wich was used for 3 or more years. This was a newstep for 2 years this will be a fast phone. And the freedom of windows mobile is also great.

Simply the best phone I ever had! Does everything I need and more!

I love my HD2 because it's big, it's strong, it's fast and give me the possibility to customize everything like I want.
I love my HD2 even because makes me different from all the mass of sheeps that walk around with an Iphone and use their phono to simulate a beer drinking and s**t like this.
Having an HD2, like my good old HTC Topaz, makes me feel different and like a pro.

I have always been a win mobile user. love the ability to anything! can send files bluetooth, COMPLETELY change the theme of the phone, and modify the software ANY way you see fit. suck on that iphone.
The only thing I would change would be camera hardware button
They say the HD2 will be the last in windows mobile 6.5. what a way to go out with a bang!!!
windows mobile+huge screen+fast processor= one sick device

I could probably be classified as a (very) dull business user and I have never before cared over what device was put into my hands..
I have used SE, Nokia, HTC, you name it, and even a iPhone for a while, and all worked okay and I did type an occasional e-mail on them but in reality they all fell short, some with clunky e-mail integration other with unsuitable screens for reading long texts.
With the HD2 I have hit "home", I have become truly freed from my office - I can access and work with my e-mails, read trough and review extensive attachment, surf the web, get online with my laptop without hassle trough the WiFi router. First phone I ever used that work seamless with bluetooth both in the car and with headsets.
It's a serious device and not a toy with downloaded flashlight applications.

afive720 said:
You know, I have both the Nexus one and HD2, but I am really thinking of selling my HD2. I love all the things you have mentioned, but texting is kind of a big deal to me. With an HD2, the keyboard so choppy, no matter the rom I try. If I can somehow fix it, bye bye nexus. If not, well...
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Ah well, I agree that this is a let down thing at first, but after few months usage, I'm quite amazed at my typing speed right now
Did u try fingerkeyboard or swype?
uswe said:
I can access and work with my e-mails, read trough and review extensive attachment, get online with my laptop without hassle trough the WiFi router.
It's a serious device and not a toy with downloaded flashlight applications.
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These are the things that I never bother or want to do with my old 3GS and Hero

Hi,
I like:
1) Screen (come on 4.3 inch MAMA MYA that’s nice step for mobile phones. I will never buy IPhone 4G if it’s less than 4.3 inch screen)
2) Design (Very slim very sexy)
3) Speed (yeah it’s really speedy)
4) Freedom (WOW the best thing. No more F jailbreak)
I don't like:
1) SMS messaging interface (Please anyone know other messaging interfaces? or at least to tell me how to disable the loading of messages as once. I rather like IPhone messaging where it loads small amount of sms in the chat area and load more history sms on request if needed)
2) Battery life (To bad to be in such great device)

zoombay78 said:
Hi,
I like:
1) Screen (come on 4.3 inch MAMA MYA that’s nice step for mobile phones. I will never buy IPhone 4G if it’s less than 4.3 inch screen)
2) Design (Very slim very sexy)
3) Speed (yeah it’s really speedy)
4) Freedom (WOW the best thing. No more F jailbreak)
I don't like:
1) SMS messaging interface (Please anyone know other messaging interfaces? or at least to tell me how to disable the loading of messages as once. I rather like IPhone messaging where it loads small amount of sms in the chat area and load more history sms on request if needed)
2) Battery life (To bad to be in such great device)
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I always have over 400 sms in my inbox, and it loads quite quickly, I think. No problem for me. Why dont u try the old style thread messaging from Energy rom or some other roms?

Thank you for starting this post. I was reluctant to upgrade from my Touch Pro to the HD2 for the lack of a hardware keyboard, which I used constantly. The big, beautiful screen won me over and I'm happy to report that I'm typing as fast as ever now that I'm used to my HD2.
I love the huge screen, HTC Sense (Thanks to Cookie and averyone else, not enough room in this thread), one touch dialing, programs etc, etc.
Every, and I mean EVERY challenge that I had with my phone when I first bought it has been solved by using these forums.
Every, and I mean EVERY modification that I could have dreamed of has been supplied by using these forums.
This has been the case since I started using WinMo and with every device I've owned.
These sour grapes posts by individuals who refuse to take the time to use this fine provision in order to make full use of their HD2 are a slap in the face to the hardworking developers who have brought countless hours of joy to the rest of us who deeply appreciate their work.
To the developers and contributors of this forum: I salute you.
To the individuals who are posting their "Bye, Bye" threads. Please leave quietly, and don't let the door hit you in the iphone.

Oh finally some positive thread for HD2.
So what i love about my HD2.
Speed - lighting fast
Customization - Thanks Winmo 6.5
Usefull Programs - Programs that really matters. Like Resco explorer and image viewer, FPSEce,iGO with multitouch and compass
BIG screen - The Biggest!
Open platform (flashing ROMs) - Can be really fun
Loud speakers - Well maybe too much =)
Capacitive screen with multitouch - Say yes to best gaming experience
How the phone feels in pocket (comfortable) - You dont even know it's in your pocket
But there are few bad things =(
Development - The newest games looks like ripped of java with touch support
Really old core of OS - Winmo 6.5 is quite ugly too
Reset button under Battery cover - lol at this one

KowboyBebop said:
Oh finally some positive thread for HD2.
So what i love about my HD2.
Speed - lighting fast
Customization - Thanks Winmo 6.5
Usefull Programs - Programs that really matters. Like Resco explorer and image viewer, FPSEce,iGO with multitouch and compass
BIG screen - The Biggest!
Open platform (flashing ROMs) - Can be really fun
Loud speakers - Well maybe too much =)
Capacitive screen with multitouch - Say yes to best gaming experience
How the phone feels in pocket (comfortable) - You dont even know it's in your pocket
But there are few bad things =(
Development - The newest games looks like ripped of java with touch support
Really old core of OS - Winmo 6.5 is quite ugly too
Reset button under Battery cover - lol at this one
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Thanks for support at fpsece, KB
About reset button, why dont u try to install the Long Press End Key Reset? That saves me a lot from opening the battery cover

I think I miss Windows Mobile 6! Tell me I'm crazy...

I'm a former user of an HTC Touch Diamond. Thanks to these forums, I was able to customize nearly anything and everything on that device. I retired my Diamond about a month ago when I got my Xperia X10, and I found myself missing my Diamond.
Xperia Pros:
The Screen! The display is huge and amazing!
Android market. So many great apps to choose from.
Android OS. The stock apps and launchers seem really great to use. Lots of features and eye candy out of the box.
Xperia Cons:
Micro-USB / Connector Cover. It has made my 6 mini-usb cables and charger useless, and the cover is annoying to open.
Touch Screen. I found myself annoyed by the capacitive screen. I'm a guy, and I don't feel the need to have soft moist hands. The capacitive screen has given me so much grief, while I never had any problems with any resistive screens in the past.
Battery. I know every complains about battery life, but it was pretty much the same as my Diamond. The only difference is that my Diamond has a huge extended battery available for purchase.
Android market. Tons of "little" apps, but no real powerhouse apps that fit my own needs. I found I needed to download/buy 3 different apps that did the job of one Windows Mobile app.
Voice Dialing. Where is it? My city just enforced some crazy cellphone laws, and I really need this. It sucks on the Xperia. Big time.
Diamond Pros:
Fantastic Apps! S2U2 is amazing. It's a lockscreen that gives you so much access to viewing info (email, sms, etc) without a risk of unlocking your phone accidentally. Magicall let me have push email without the battery use, as well as many other fantastic calling and SMS features.
OpnMarket. Tons of great apps available from FreewarePPC.
Resistive screen. So much better for me than the capacitive screen.
Amazing customizability. Not just the ROMs, since I'm sure the X10 will get a few soon, but everything seemed to be easier to customize and change in Windows. Maybe I just need to learn more about Android.
Diamond Cons:
Tiny tiny tiny screen. This is the only reason I didn't go back.
Windows Mobile stock OS really sucks, and needs all the apps to add the eye candy and features.
Sometimes sluggish with all the hacks, patches, and customizations.
Strangely enough, I find myself sorely missing Windows Mobile. I really wish I could at least find an app exactly like S2U2 on Android. I've tried a few lockscreens, and they don't even lock the device properly. They seem to be just homescreen replacements. Lack of a proper voicedial app on the Xperia is also a huge con. Any other recent Windows Mobile converts feel the same way?

Go put Android 2.2 Froyo onto your HTC Diamond, this might help you to kill some time while waiting for Android 2.1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=711692

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Go put Android 2.2 Froyo onto your HTC Diamond, this might help you to kill some time while waiting for Android 2.1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=711692
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Well, I tried 1.6 awhile back on my Diamond, and it was unbearably slow. Besides, that would be the opposite of what I want right now. I think I'd prefer Windows Mobile on my Xperia.

You are crazy.

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You are crazy.
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i agree!!! you're CRAZY!!!!

as someone who has come over from windows mobile 6.5 and owning a touch diamond 2 and htc 2, i can tell you, you are crazy.

i have a xperia x1
and yes one more vote for "you are crazy"=..=
Sent from my X10i using XDA App

No you're not CRAZY!
100,000 Apps for Android? I think that smartphone users today don't understand that App is short for Application and they're being pretty liberal calling most of what's available an Application.
The simple fact that Google doesn't offer a fast and easy solution for Outlook sync is plain stupid. Even the iPhone will sync with Outlook. The Google "Cloud" sync takes far more user input than WinMo does so it's far from effective.
When WinMo 7 is up and running I'll be putting this Android fiasco behind me.
P.S. if you're a teenage girl then Android should be right for you.

Battery life on the diamond with extended battery and latest stock rom was total and utter **** if you ask me, it was the most useless batterylife of any device i've ever experienced and the diamond overall... ok i did like it when i first got it but that phone felt outdated within 3 months, i love my new x10 and my battery is great, even amazing compared to diamonds. In fact i could drain both the original and the extended on diamond within 32h and the x10 battery ticks way over 48h now with normal useage
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I want my baby back baby back baby back, I want my baby back baby back baby back,I want my baby back baby back baby back. Your delusional dude.

big_raji said:
I'm a former user of an HTC Touch Diamond. Thanks to these forums, I was able to customize nearly anything and everything on that device. I retired my Diamond about a month ago when I got my Xperia X10, and I found myself missing my Diamond.
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I agree to some of it. The lousy not so touch friendly UI of WM never really bothered me as we get to use it less. I love the level of customization that can be done to WM like Panels, Today screen, smart dialer, etc.
I think most of the current generation mobile OS got the luxury of faster processors, more memory to feel more fluid. Each never version is basically trying to catch up with WM capability but with touch friendly UI.
I think the failure story of WM wouldn't have been this bad if only Microsoft invested time to improve their default browser years back and made the menu's, buttons, etc more bigger so they are more user friendly.
I played with my friends HD2 and like it a lot except for the browser.

First of all I bought an Android device because I never thought they were that great but felt it was unfair to criticise without having used one a for a period of time.
Now that I am an owner of several WinMo devices and one Android device I feel I can point out the differences fairly – Sorry in advance to the Android Fanboys.
For someone that is more interested in a useful device for business applications and uses a Windows based PC’s then WinMo is the clear winner. For someone that wants to have a toy for social networking then Android is the clear winner.
I’m sure there are many people on the planet that are so important that they need to Facebook and Twitter/Buzz every single move they make during the day and hopefully they use Latitude so everyone knows exactly where this tremdously important event took place.
Bottom line is that they are 2 different platforms that cater to 2 different groups of people. One isn’t better than the other, they’re just different. WinMo users read newspapers, Android users read comic books. Neither is better than the other, they’re just different.
I’ve spent 2 weeks looking at “Top 10” and “Must have Android Apps” blogs as well as spending time on AppBrain. I’m not saying there aren’t any useful Android Apps but they certainly don’t number in the thousands or even the hundreds. Below is what I found to be somewhat useful but I can still do better on a WinMo device running 6.1 pro.
Astro File Manager
BetterKeyboard
ChompSMS
eBay
GDocs
Imap Weather
IMDB
IP Cam Viewer
K-9 Mail
MyRogers
NetCounter
Newsrob
Quick Reboot
Remote VNC
Roboform
Speedtest.net
SwiFTP
TD Bank
Titanium Backup
Weather Bug
XDA
Wikidroid for Wikipedia
P.S. Using Remote VNC on the Android is like torture. On the WinMo device I can login, do a few quick things and logout while sitting at a red light. To do the same thing with the Android VNC viewer it would be faster to drive home and use the keyboard.

I agree with you, I had omnia(on offense love my x10 as well) with custom rom running wm 6.5. I think android is not quite there yet and application is not the professional like spb apps...
I miss my mobiler controlling the phone from pc and syncing contacts with outlook instead google and then third party app to sync with outlook which does half ass job of it

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I agree with you, I had omnia(on offense love my x10 as well) with custom rom running wm 6.5. I think android is not quite there yet and application is not the professional like spb apps...
I miss my mobiler controlling the phone from pc and syncing contacts with outlook instead google and then third party app to sync with outlook which does half ass job of it
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My point exactly

Just enter the discussion, I still own my HD2 with custom ROM. As Izzy said, if you are a business person WM is the best for you, Even after I purchased Moxier with Widget and stuff its not anywhere close to WM even 6.1. WM is more solid and it is because it has been around for longer and android might be there one day. But reason I chose Android was to go with a different approach and I still like it and not regretting it. As you start developing more things and gets updated to higher Android Version you may become more satisfied.
Part of our problem is SE by locking the phone with their junk which is not useful to all of us. In WM phone you have option to go either with WM solid or their customized UI.
At the end, I am not a person stick to my phone for any longer than 6 to 10 months so in case I need to move to another platform then no problem. Right now, I don't want to go back to 6.5 even with missing option on Android.

Nimche said:
At the end, I am not a person stick to my phone for any longer than 6 to 10 months so in case I need to move to another platform then no problem. Right now, I don't want to go back to 6.5 even with missing option on Android.
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I change a lot too so I'm looking forward to WinMo 7. It may be a nice solution that helps out the business users and still has the social networking aspect that the others are interested in. That Dell Lightning looks pretty dam hot!
I wouldn't be so down on Android if they had out of the box support for Outlook sync.
I'm so sick of ALL of these guys drawing a line in the sand and refusing to support any other features from other suppliers. It's the user that suffers.

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ved to android I think wm7 is going to start where android was year ago. Breaking the compatibility with wm6.5 stupid thing Microsoft did also taking out copy paste, multitasking the last stra
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I agree with you, I had omnia(on offense love my x10 as well) with custom rom running wm 6.5. I think android is not quite there yet and application is not the professional like spb apps...
I miss my mobiler controlling the phone from pc and syncing contacts with outlook instead google and then third party app to sync with outlook which does half ass job of it
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I feel the same too. I used to have a HTC Universal, and there were so many power apps/applications (Whatever you want to call them), that Android doesn't have yet. I didn't even use most of them, as I didn't have a need for them, but at least there was a choice available.
I think Android may soon have this 'choice' that I'm talking about, but I do understand what you mean (@ big_raji).

I share your sentiments regarding winmo 6.1/6.5. Winmo is such a mature platform just like symbian and palmOS. These bad boys of the old gen were not pretty to look at, but they got stuff done.
What boggles my mind is how Android failed to support system wide copy/paste; especially in their native gmail app. Only recently did they start to address this (2.2 update).
Another annoyance I have with Android is its connectivity capabilities. Why can't it do things like tether, bluetooth file transfer, and sync with local storage out of the box?
I know that some of my complaints can be solved with apps in the market, but the thing is many of these features should be standard. That's my problem with the new gen of mobile OS's. They don't look to the past to see what made phones "smart".
I'm in no way downplaying what innovations have been brought to smartphones. I just think that phones these days are more just multimedia consumption devices rather than the productivity assistants they grew up from. That is why I am so nervous about windows phone 7. If microsoft screws that up, all that will be left of the old guard that "just works" as a work tool will be blackberry and symbian^3.
I know I've said a lot. I'm sure people will disagree and take offense, but know that my definition of a smartphone is a device which lets me be productive while being mobile. If it has decent multimedia capabilities, that's also good.

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Another annoyance I have with Android is its connectivity capabilities. Why can't it do things like tether, bluetooth file transfer, and sync with local storage out of the box?
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Tell me about it. The first day I started with Android I paired my Bluetooth earpiece, pressed the call button and waited for the X10 to come alive and wait for a voice dial command. After pressing it several times, reconnecting, I googled to discover that Android doesn't do that. Are you freaking kidding me? My 5 year old RAZR does voice dial! Maybe they should have focused on the tools before the toys?
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That is why I am so nervous about windows phone 7. If microsoft screws that up, all that will be left of the old guard that "just works" as a work tool will be blackberry and symbian^3.
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Well at very least it will sync with Outlook
I also hope there's a decent VNC version out for it.

Why are you guys still using the X1?

Hi people. Haven't been here in ages though I used to visit this forum on a daily basis in the past.
Anyway, I came back for old times' sake and see that people are still using this phone. It's a rather old model.
It's a rather cool phone at that time, waited a long time and got it with my first paycheck. Turned out to be a rather horrible experience and now I am happily with iPhone and considering changing to WP7 because MS > Apple. ^^
Anyway, back to the thread title. Why are you guys still using this phone?

is a good phone even if it has wm6.1
I got a x10 and the other is with my dad, it really keeps working flawlesly

The best model ever. it's exclusive and beautiful

Still lovin' & using this
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exclusive and beautiful
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phone.
No demand for a new one...

i'm still using it - it may be about the 10th different handset but its still the X1! but i used the Hd7 in a shop yesterday and its just so smooth compared to x1! the only reason i've stuck with it is that it does what i need it to do and i have no money for a new one :/

comeradealexi said:
the only reason i've stuck with it is that it does what i need it to do and i have no money for a new one :/
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same lol.. But I love HTC surround... too bad it's not in Malaysia anytime soon

It's great - once you learn how to drive it.
Love the optical mouse & the slide out Keyboard.
I've found an app to suit my every purpose (TomTom, SPB News for RSS, & Pocket Player, & G-Alarm).
Currently using the Sony Ericsson Panel, which displays all the info I need; two analogue clocks, weather for two cities (only current temp and conditions - don't need a five day forecast on my home screen), calendar, messages etc.
I've tried a couple of different ROMs, but have gone back to basics with the 6.1.
^ which is why I like the look of the new Windows Phone 7. Good simple layout.
The home screen is really important to me - which an iPhone doesn't even have.
I will consider the WP7 if the tile screen can be customise to what I want… & if the handsets are any good.

1. Keyboard
2. Multiple ROMs can be flashed
3. Stability
4. Price (I can afford it )

because I am the boss of my SD cards and can put you want
because it is small and has a great battery
because some things are done with a custom rom that you can not even I win7
because I do not like iPhone
because the phone has a hardware button on phone off
simply because it has nothing on this planet
perhaps X2 but it does not have hard spl

Would like to have a new phone, but they are too expencive. Dont want to give a mobile phone lot of money anymore.

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It's great - once you learn how to drive it.
Love the optical mouse & the slide out Keyboard.
I've found an app to suit my every purpose (TomTom, SPB News for RSS, & Pocket Player, & G-Alarm).
Currently using the Sony Ericsson Panel, which displays all the info I need; two analogue clocks, weather for two cities (only current temp and conditions - don't need a five day forecast on my home screen), calendar, messages etc.
I've tried a couple of different ROMs, but have gone back to basics with the 6.1.
^ which is why I like the look of the new Windows Phone 7. Good simple layout.
The home screen is really important to me - which an iPhone doesn't even have.
I will consider the WP7 if the tile screen can be customise to what I want… & if the handsets are any good.
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My reasons mirror Tom's exactly. I'm lazy. My X1 works, it has music, navigation, activesync, and office available to me, and I can't be bothered right now to make sure that whatever I upgrade to has alternatives for everything I use.
I'm not even using a custom ROM anymore. I just use the panels to change the face whenever I get bored or need a task specific homescreen (like On-the Road Panel when I'm driving or Skype Panel when I'm abroad).
My X1 is a lot faster and more stable than when I was running 6.5 on the phone. As for switching to another platform... in good time. I had an iPhone and gave it away... this was before decent navigation apps and multiasking were available on the iPhone.

There is no alternative isnt there? Win7 sucks. There are some other devices with the same CPU so not really a step up. There is just no 1ghz hardware keyboard Win Mobile device available. So why shouldnt people still use the X1?

Well actually I'm using it the whole time because it helps me with all the things I do, from work e.g. remote desktop w/c WP7 doesn't have yet, video call calling love one's from abroad WP7 doesn't have, music to help me relax,easy chat with the hardware keyboard, i could also watch movie with it after i downloaded it from the internet without converting it (.avi), using it as a modem (HSDPA) if i want to connect to the internet when i'm not at home ( connecting it to a laptop) and last is that i could connect to any WIFI hotspot. I'm just sad that i can't play flash games anymore now that skyfire stop the support. If anyone knows a new browser that support flash kindly share it thank you.. =)

thinking that im still using x1 one more year then swap to WP7 because ATM WP7 is damn expensive and at introduction stage, with little game, application. by the way, x1 still does a really good job for day-to-day basic tasks

I love this phone. The screen is still very good when compared to other models on the market, watching a movie in 800 X 480 on your mobile is an impressive experience. The hardware keyboard is very useful for communicating vià messenger or for writing long emails. I had to clean it once and know it's just as when the phone was new. I enjoy the freedom of Windows Mobile 6.1 compared to the other operating systems on the market, the ability to side load apps and tweak the phone in every way I'd like to. Those and some other reasons make me believe that the best I can do know is to stick with the Xperia X1 and to see how Android and Windows Phone 7 are developing. Man I really hope that someone will be able to crack open WP7 or Microsoft will come to the decision that it's necessary to loosen the restrictions on WP7.

easy: it has a hw-keyboard. i want that.
so far there hasn't been a device to which i would upgrade. there was the milestone, but turned out it's locked, and i don't want to be dependant from the manufacturer for updates.
i'm now waiting how the desire z turns out and what comes with wp7.

The only reason I left the X1 was because of the camera and video camera. I have the cutest baby daughter so I always want to capture spontaneous pictures and video, often in low light conditions. I switched to the Nokia N8, which isn't as bad as you might think. Text input is atrocious, but everything else is pretty nice. I just predicted that no manufacturer will put a xenon flash 720p camera on a QWERTY slide-out keyboard phone, so I might as well swallow the bitter pill of converting to a capacitive keyboardless phone now.
Otherwise, the *only other* unfixable flaw with the X1 was the sluggishness (overclocking never worked). So, all-in-all, X1 is a great phone; I just wish Sony had taken the next step and made a hard-core upgrade that could compete against the Droid 2 Global and the HTC Desire Z.

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Otherwise, the *only other* unfixable flaw with the X1 was the sluggishness (overclocking never worked). So, all-in-all, X1 is a great phone;
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^ yeah, in the weekend I was using the X1 one to listen to music, while taking pictures, & navigating using Google maps.. + email was active syncing. It was all a bit much for the X1 & was forced to soft reset.
I don't have experience with any other smart phones, but I'm hoping the new WP7 can handle doing all that and more.
I just need to be patient & wait for the prices to come down.. and for more live tile apps to be developed.

'Tron said:
^ yeah, in the weekend I was using the X1 one to listen to music, while taking pictures, & navigating using Google maps.. + email was active syncing. It was all a bit much for the X1 & was forced to soft reset.
I don't have experience with any other smart phones, but I'm hoping the new WP7 can handle doing all that and more.
I just need to be patient & wait for the prices to come down.. and for more live tile apps to be developed.
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Greetings to fellow Wellingtonian!!!
I got my Xperia flashed, updated and optimized to the hilt with everything I can possibly need, had GPS setup, voice control, other bits and pieces, selected the voices I liked and became very happy with what I have. The keyboard is a frustrating quality control muck up, but I mostly use my Xperia for internet anyway, so not a huge deal. It's just one of the handsets I use on a regular basis, have no intentions of sticking with it forever, of course, but then the only one I intend to stick forever with is my HTC Universal, an old and reliable beast that may lack in specs, but more than makes up in design.
Speaking of WP7. I had a lovely WP7 UI ported to Xperia and was very pleased with result, just waiting for it to be properly tweaked and kitted out and for me to get sick and tired of Cookie's offerings. Otherwise is was running rather well, so will potentially be my next thing.

sonus said:
My reasons mirror Tom's exactly. I'm lazy. My X1 works, it has music, navigation, activesync, and office available to me, and I can't be bothered right now to make sure that whatever I upgrade to has alternatives for everything I use.
I'm not even using a custom ROM anymore. I just use the panels to change the face whenever I get bored or need a task specific homescreen (like On-the Road Panel when I'm driving or Skype Panel when I'm abroad).
My X1 is a lot faster and more stable than when I was running 6.5 on the phone. As for switching to another platform... in good time. I had an iPhone and gave it away... this was before decent navigation apps and multiasking were available on the iPhone.
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I just gave a new X1 to my wife. She likes its looks but complains its too slooooow. Any suggestions for speeding it up without using a custom ROM?
Thanks!