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Hello all, Windows Mobile 7 is announced to be available this year. It seems that it will be a lot more "finger friendly". The Touch HD would fit it very well.
In fact, I'm currently a Kaiser owner, and I planned to buy a Touch HD but I'm a bit disapointed (as always with HTC !!!) about its graphical performances.
Touch HD owners still need to convert video files for the Touch HD to read them at a good speed ... A shame !!!! I had an Axim x50v 4 years ago which was able to read any VGA DivX without any convertion and it was really fast, no lags.
So I can deal with the bad video performances (I already do with my Kaiser ...) but I need a major change in the general usage of the device compared to my Kaiser.
That's why I would be glad to see Windows Mobile 7 announced for the Touch HD, it may be the thing which would decide me to buy a Touch HD.
Does anyone know if HTC plan to upgrade the Touch HD with Windows Mobile 7 when it will be available ?
Thanks !
Windows 7?
Where? I thought was delayed for 2010 and that they will release soon windows 6.5... Did I miss something
In fact Windows Mobile 8 was delayed for 2010 (and maybe later !). What I read so far is that Windows Mobile 7 should be available in the middle of 2009.
EDIT : New news -> you're right, wm 6.5 announced to come before 7 ... 7 delayed for 2010 ...
dizzy33 said:
In fact Windows Mobile 8 was delayed for 2010 (and maybe later !). What I read so far is that Windows Mobile 7 should be available in the middle of 2009.
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what you read is incorrect. WM7 is for 2010, Q4 of 2009 at the EARLIEST. and to your original question. WM7 may require a different set of hardware to be completely finger friendly, ie no more resistive touch screen. but that's not to say people here can't hack it and port it to a legacy product (ie. touch HD) by the time WM7 comes out
About the date for WM 7, take a look at my EDIT section in my previous post ...
I've already noticed it changed, but thanks anyway ...
About the hardware, I'm not sure it may need a different hardware because it is said that Microsoft developped an application which use the camera as a G-Sensor ... So they may do their best for this O.S. to be compatible with old style hardware ...
So now the question is : will HTC offer a WM 6.5 upgrade for the Touch HD ... Not sure cause it may be there too late ...
Hm, i think the 6.5 will be published in Spring/Summer 09, so it could be possible.
Greets
John
i think htc will offer a update cause t-mobile will release the HD with android so they have to do sth for satisfy the customers with win mobile
kerni said:
i think htc will offer a update cause t-mobile will release the HD with android so they have to do sth for satisfy the customers with win mobile
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Where did u see this.
And sorry to take the air out your balloon
Turb0wned said:
Where did u see this.
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Fact:
He totaly made that up, there have been some renderings of what the G2 MAY look like and many people took it upon themselves to photoshop The Beast running the Android OS. Don't get your hopes up.
(My) Sepculation:
You'll probably see the G1 come out with 5 more colors, and 10 more OTAs before you ever find out what a G2 looks like.
Sources:
http://twitter.com/htc/statuses/948774282
Not to mention that HTC specifically said that they did not manufacture the Black Stone with a radio module supporting the US 3G frequencies. So I doubt T-Mobile would Market any device going foward as running on G2/Edge
I hope you find this helpful (And sorry to take the air out your balloon)
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I'm not sure it may need a different hardware because it is said that Microsoft developped an application which use the camera as a G-Sensor
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Hmm. Camera tracking applications kill the battery _very_ quickly and obviously don't work in bad light conditions or against blank surfaces with no pattern.
The HD has a g-sensor anyway, so that shouldn't be an issue.
i've also read on numerous websites that theres the chance that t-mobile may be running android on touch HD.
also the HD is definitly coming out on t-mobile in the next 2 months
dizzy33 said:
About the date for WM 7, take a look at my EDIT section in my previous post ...
I've already noticed it changed, but thanks anyway ...
About the hardware, I'm not sure it may need a different hardware because it is said that Microsoft developped an application which use the camera as a G-Sensor ... So they may do their best for this O.S. to be compatible with old style hardware ...
So now the question is : will HTC offer a WM 6.5 upgrade for the Touch HD ... Not sure cause it may be there too late ...
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the time stamp sais your last edit was after my post. but regarding the hardware difference: microsoft never specifies the HW requirement to end customers because we don't get to purchase the OS. they do specify to the manufactures of the phones. it's the same reason why your PC hardware requirement changes for Windows 2000 and Windows Vista. I'm sure you can some what run Vista on a machine built for Win 2K, but your experience will be limited. So I was just saying that some hackers here can port the WM7 to Touch HD, even though Touch HD is not designated to run WM7.
Requirement wise, I am _speculating_ that it will need a better CPU/graphics chip, amongst other things. the current Qualcomm chip 's graphic capability just plain sucks, the CPU power also isn't the best. Horse power by horsepower, a Qualcomm 500 MHz is much slower than a Marvel/Intel PXA 500 Mhz. I believe WM7 will have more graphics requirement: here's my logic:
- Up till WM6.1 (possibly 6.5), the max resolution supported is 800x480 (which is ok), but he color depth is only 65000, which is low. Iphone supports 262000, i'm sure MS will be going after at least that.
- ever since phones/PDA moved form QVGA to VGA and WVGA, the graphics suffered, and understandbly so. though not microsoft's fault directly. people started saying "my WM phone/PDA is slow" and put the blame on MS. So MS will be clearing their name and restricting manufactures from putting their OS on a non-suitable device
so the above two points just to show you in the graphics department there may be a HW requirement. can you run it on a phone that doesn't fit the requirement? suuuuure, just that the experience won't be as good.
and finally, the news yesterday confirmed my suspicious is that HTC just dumped Qualcomm (not 100% dump though) as the sole CPU/chip provider due to their performance. Given that a product stays in incubation (for prototyping QA, testing, beta, etc etc) for 6 to 8 month before it hits the market. I believe HTC is prototyping the new devices with WM6.5 and perhaps even WM7, and found the performance with Qualcomm chip lacking. hence hardware requirement.
Site your sources.
adsno_1 said:
i've also read on numerous websites that theres the chance that t-mobile may be running android on touch HD.
also the HD is definitly coming out on t-mobile in the next 2 months
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I don't mean to be rude, but what part don't you understand that the the Touch HD has hardware limitation not allowing it to take advantage of US 3G frequencies
If you read my previous post you'll see an official announcement from HTC themselves supporting my comment.
The HTC will not see the light of day in the United States, In the US there are 2 GSM Carriers ATT and T-Mobile
ATT won't relesase because it directly competes (and probably breeches) their contract with Apple
And, when was the last time you seen T-Mobile release a beefy smartphone, the smartest phone they have is the Wing, and that's a joke in terms of Harware.
Site your sources before you make such claims sir.
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also the HD is definitly coming out on t-mobile in the next 2 months
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That comment is a joke, where are you sources.
I guess there are a lot of Wishful thinkers on this thread.
fnordelus said:
I don't mean to be rude, but what part don't you understand that the the Touch HD has hardware limitation not allowing it to take advantage of US 3G frequencies
And, when was the last time you seen T-Mobile release a beefy smartphone, the smartest phone they have is the Wing, and that's a joke in terms of Harware.
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What makes you think he is talking about the US market? There are other countries out there you know
I was told by around 5 people from T-Mob UK retentions that it was in the testing phase, and they could offer it to me around March. This could possibly have been conjecture to try and get me to stay, but if you look at the link below, you will see a trend.
As an aside, T-Mob UK have released all major "beefy" smartphones. - http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-phones/phones/pay-monthly/all/all/
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What makes you think he is talking about the US market? There are other countries out there you know
I was told by around 5 people from T-Mob UK retentions that it was in the testing phase, and they could offer it to me around March. This could possibly have been conjecture to try and get me to stay, but if you look at the link below, you will see a trend.
As an aside, T-Mob UK have released all major "beefy" smartphones. - http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-phones/phones/pay-monthly/all/all/
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You're absolutely right, that's my bad!
I actually did forget that T-Mobile is outside of the US, please excuse my stroke of ignorance.
I feel extra stupid because I actually have a German-T-Mobile Branded MDA Pro that I had to replace the keyboard for (to a qwerty keybord)
Me <---- Fail!
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What makes you think he is talking about the US market? There are other countries out there you know
I was told by around 5 people from T-Mob UK retentions that it was in the testing phase, and they could offer it to me around March. This could possibly have been conjecture to try and get me to stay, but if you look at the link below, you will see a trend.
As an aside, T-Mob UK have released all major "beefy" smartphones. - http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-phones/phones/pay-monthly/all/all/
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Aditionally, you're double right!
Becuase T-Mobile UK does have a history of releasing beefy smarthphones, I just got my ass handed to me.
When it comes to mobile devices (my passion) it SUCKS to be an American.
Everytime I wip out my BlackStone, or even my XDA iis I get some ****-head who says "is that an iPhone?" or even worse "Is that an iPhone imitation?"
So, again, excuse my stroke of ignorance.
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Everytime I wip out my BlackStone, or even my XDA iis I get some ****-head who says "is that an iPhone?"
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HAHA oh man I get the same thing all the time!
The annoying thing is it's surprisingly hard to say "HTC Touch HD" properly coherantly without sounding weird due to the cacophony of hard syllables!
Something interesting to note about WiMo 6.5 and the Touch HD is in reference to Pocket Internet Explorer 6. Microsoft have stated that their new mobile browser won't be released for use on any device due to hardware limitations of current devices - but there HAS been a ROM released by a microsoft developer for the Touch HD ONLY that DOES include the new Pocket IE...
My theory is that 6.5 will be held by microsoft for use on higher spec future handsets only, but the Touch HD will be allowed a possibly semi-official update. (maybe in the guise of a ROM by a microsoft developer like PIE6)
Something else to bear in mind, the Hermes was in mid life cycle when WiMo6 was released and HTC duly released a free upgrade from the pre-existing version 5 so there's a possibility they might do something similar for the HD.
All speculation and hope of course...
Here are some images of what WM7 might look like. Check out the Word 2007 picture. It looks like it has a lot of menu options.
http://cybernetnews.com/2008/01/07/windows-mobile-7-images-leaked/
http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/
Looks good, wonder if it will run android?
Looks like it probably would.. if it doesn't already. The specs all looks similar to android phones...
Are you retarded? It runs Maemo software designed by Nokia. It could run android but it won't.
looks very nice a little big though
Honestly77 said:
Are you retarded? It runs Maemo software designed by Nokia. It could run android but it won't.
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Did you read the title of the post? As in someone porting Android. That thing has nice hardware.
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Did you read the title of the post? As in someone porting Android. That thing has nice hardware.
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wow reading the specs i was just like "wow" lol ... if someone is able to run android on it successfully i might have to leave my g1 behind... :\
its got an arm processor so it could run android(theoretically) this would run hero sooooooooooooo easily the only thing that would put me off this device is the 3 row keyboard ewww
JJbdoggg said:
its got an arm processor so it could run android(theoretically) this would run hero sooooooooooooo easily the only thing that would put me off this device is the 3 row keyboard ewww
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I agree, 3 row is inferior. But ya know, I'll take that over on-screen or standard dial pad any day.
I'm hoping that ARM cores are doing the same thing as x86 did in the past, running more cycles at a lower clock speed. May only be a 72 mhz jump over the dream's Qualcomm, but the performance increase may more than you'd expect.... hopefully.
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http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/
Looks good, wonder if it will run android?
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Isn't Maemo Linux based? It could be hackable...
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Isn't Maemo Linux based? It could be hackable...
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The device description says "Linux-based operating system". An Android-Port might be doable.
Plus the N900 has AWS(1700/2100) support... so T-Mobile US release in the next few months?
Very impressive and so kool!
Maemo is linux based device built on Debian system struct with gnome
Any information about system specs requirement?
is there way to hack it to run on another device?
WOW, finally I have found a substitute for my G1... Maemo is a very interesting system, and the hardware is Nokia; yes, when the price will become human (for me 300-350 euros) I consider the idea to buy it.
Asking to get Android on a Maemo device is like saying you want to get windows mobile on your windows UMPC.
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Plus the N900 has AWS(1700/2100) support... so T-Mobile US release in the next few months?
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Looks like it according to Tmonews.com. The FCC approved it a few days ago, so it shouldn't be long.
Here's the N810 running Android.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcJYWSe5HRU
And here's something more interesting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNo6pn-dnSQ
This device is extremely capable, maemo is an an open source OS, more open than Android.
aGoGo said:
Here's the N810 running Android.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcJYWSe5HRU
And here's something more interesting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNo6pn-dnSQ
This device is extremely capable, maemo is an an open source OS, more open than Android.
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Can you please post some good links on which you based your last statement? I'm curious about maemo and would like to see how it's more open than Android. I'm surprised to see another open-source contender already...
opensource till T-mo get their hands on the rom. This IS an impressive phone. I was saving my upgrade for the MyTouch, looks like I might wait for this.
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opensource till T-mo get their hands on the rom. This IS an impressive phone. I was saving my upgrade for the MyTouch, looks like I might wait for this.
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Yeah, I have an upgrade and was disappointed by the Mytouch, so decided to hold off and see what other Android phones t-mo had in the pipeline. I want something with a hardware keyboard. Anyway, check out this video of the N900 intro by Nokia...my mouth is watering!
It looks like it has flash built in too! AAaaargh!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au_uRmoy8Fs&feature=player_embedded
I want this phone......now!
The intention of this topic is to list what we know about the up and coming Windows Mobile 7 compared to the current Windows Mobile 6.5.
Add your links here to any stories, fact, rumours or photos.....
Nice one witNer. I just hope this thread turns out to be all it should be.
One question I do have for now: when the hell is WM7 out? I've heard Q1 2010 right through to Q4 2010. Do we simply not know yet, and are just hearing guestimates and rumors?
I think you can call this facts:
http://msftkitchen.com/2009/12/windows-mobile-7-silverlight-applications-ie-mobile-7-and-more.html
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One question I do have for now: when the hell is WM7 out? I've heard Q1 2010 right through to Q4 2010.
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It was Q1 for RTM/Official announcement, Q3-4 for actual devices sporting it.
There hasn't been an uber-official rock-solid announcement as of yet, nobody has promised anything, so it's all pretty much in the "rumors" category, even if these rumors come from official sources - things can change...
A fact is that it will be based on CE6, so a lot of things will be different from what we have now, including a new memory model, so some things will be gone, like the 32MB/32 process count limits (and many "out of memory" errors with them). Welcome 2GB address space world. It's also a fact that current leaking 6.5.x builds are not WM7 as many people suggest. These are CE5.
It's worth checking out References 49-69 on the Wikipedia page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_mobile
I'm not sure you're right about the motion gestures using the camera: gyro sensors being now part of the minimum requirements for Windows Phone 7
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I'm not sure you're right about the motion gestures using the camera: gyro sensors being now part of the minimum requirements for Windows Phone 7
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Quite.
For something labeled as "Windows Mobile 7 - FULL DETAILS", it's surprising that there's nothing under the facts column, and in the rumours section one is outright wrong, the other more or less describes what we got in 6.5...
There's enough details, screenshots, videos, rumours, etc. out there that we have a pretty good idea what's coming. Those with inside sources know with reasonable certainty what the final product is like, features are firming up fast.
No win 7 for us?
http://www.htcphones.net/htc-hd2-will-not-get-wm7-update/
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http://www.htcphones.net/htc-hd2-will-not-get-wm7-update/
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laughable drivel from a spurious source..
anyway this was supposed to be about winmo7 not the HD2
some more from chapman.
http://msftkitchen.com/2009/12/windows-mobile-7-6-years-in-making.html
ofcourse win7 is coming to a piece of hardware like the leo if not well make it come
I see lots of people say when windows mobile 7 goes on our device it will be unbeatable, why is this? I dont really see much wrong with this one lol
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I see lots of people say when windows mobile 7 goes on our device it will be unbeatable, why is this? I dont really see much wrong with this one lol
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I don't know about unbeatable but WM7 has gone through several delays as I'm sure Microsoft is aware that they are standing on there last leg to keep there (9%) of there mobile market shares, so......
...if Microsoft is smart, and it looks like they seem to be (delays signify that WM7 is not quite ready and thus, not rushing it), it should be a much improved Operating System as it has to compete against Symbian and Apple's and blackberry.
Market Shares:
Symbian....50.3%
Blackberry..20.9%
Iphone........13.7%
Windows.......9.0%
Andriod.......2.8%
WM 6.5 was was not even supposed to have existed but due to the delays, 6.5 was nothing more than a stand in, holding it's place for what some have anticipated to be revolutionary OS. Not sure if they will push through with that term when it actually comes out of the gates. Time will tell...
There isn't too much wrong with this one. Windows Mobile 6.5 is by far the most powerful mobile OS and it's getting bashed just because it lacks a nice and simple user interface.
Windows Mobile 7 will bring a new, hopefully exciting, user interface, probably based on Silverlight, new APIs for developers to create great applications that look and work much better than what we have now and better integration with Microsoft's services (Zune, XBox, Windows Live, Bing...).
On the other side, it will probably break compatibility with most, if not all, currently available applications.
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On the other side, it will probably break compatibility with most, if not all, currently available applications.
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And I think it should. The past should be scrapped to create a new future. Like OS9 to OSX and PalmOS to WebOS. Bring emulation if really needed.
Don't forget the new core of the CE which will fully support the new fast processors. That means we get an even faster phone.
windows 7 base on ce 6.0 core so ther wont be any backward compatibility.
Probably new core will be much stable and faster (support for FPU) and some othre stuff.
will windows mobile 7 be freely avalible on hd2? some sites are saying yes and others are saying no. it is my understanding that wm 6.5 and wm7 will co-exist, with wm7 aimed at high end devices (i assume because of the higher system requirements). would be good if HTC gave the hd2 wm7, as it would really open up the device in terms of performance and features.
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will windows mobile 7 be freely avalible on hd2?
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Nobody knows yet.
My guess is that there will not be an official HTC release of it, for the same reason as there hasn't been any official WM6.5 upgrade for the Touch HD - WM7 is due to launch at about the same time as the successor to the HD2 (Q4 this year), and allowing HD2 users to upgrade easily to WM7 would cannibalise sales of the HD3 (or whatever it's called); HTC would obviously prefer people who want to upgrade to WM7 to buy a new HTC phone to do it.
I've no doubt that attempts will be made by the ROM "chefs" on this site to produce "cooked" ROMs for the HD2 based on WM7. However, this may be a much tricker proposition than, say, producing a WM6.5 ROM for a Touch HD, as WM7 is based on an entirely different Operating System kernel and uses a new driver model. That means that unless there is some reference device which uses exactly the same hardware as the HD2 and runs WM7 and whose drivers the ROM chefs can pirate, it's not going to work.
I saw an article on the home page that Windows Phone 7 might be coming to the HD2. Any idea if it would be possible to port WP7 over to the Droid 2?
Dual booting between the two of them would be pretty interesting and cool I would think.
Android sounds way better to me
Android sounds better, yes. It would still be fun to play with a wp7 install though.
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Android sounds better, yes. It would still be fun to play with a wp7 install though.
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Playing with is what I was going for : D
Sent from my DROID2 using XDA App
Chiggins said:
I saw an article on the home page that Windows Phone 7 might be coming to the HD2. Any idea if it would be possible to port WP7 over to the Droid 2?
Dual booting between the two of them would be pretty interesting and cool I would think.
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Guys, WP7 is a closed source OS. It only works on Snapdragons. It doesn't, and wont ever, run on any Motorola device, or any other device that didn't come with WP7. Get real.
Only reason it works on the HD2 is because that was used as an early test device for WP7, and it has identical specs to several HTC WP7 devices on the market.
WP7 will only run on a SnapDragon with the Adreno 200 GPU. There are a bunch of existing Android phones with that spec (N1, DInc, ...), but the OMAP on the Moto Droids is completely different (with a different GPU). It took Android a while to support anything but the original MSM7201A (528mhz CPU in the G1 and all phones until the first Droid).
My guess is that WP7 will never support the OMAP. Since WP7 is closed source, MS can (and will) dictate the hardware that manufacturers have to put into it. With Android, a manufacturer could technically add their own support for a new CPU or GPU.