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Windows Phone 7 with full "multitouch" on our HD2´s

Hey xda´s!
Today I´m getting my own HD2 from england and I can´t wait to hold it in my hands
But I have some questions about the phone.
The first one is...Will the HD2 be upgradeable to Wiindows Phone 7 or if it will not be official upgradeable will the xda´s can do it? I know its early to ask about WM7 because there are not really many specs out about it yet but I would like to know what you think about that
And my second question is...Will the HD2 with it´s capacitive screen have full "multitouch" aahh sorry "pinch to zoom" support on WM7?
...or will the xda´s enable more multitouch gestures in the next weeks or months?

There have been tons of queries about this subject, please use the search before posting. It's probably safe to say that HTC won't be giving us WinMo7 the official way, but I'm sure the XDA community will find a way getting it to our beloved HD2 "the other way"

it will be possible congrats for ur new mob you'll love it

Yep! Thats right! If not Officially, you can bet that Win Mo 7 will be made available on the HD2 by the talented devs here. And not just that, we might even get Android to run on it!
Congrats on your purchase!

Tanmay® said:
..., we might even get Android to run on it!
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Thats a point i never got...
Why do people want to port Android on Wimo Phones? I you like Andorid, why don't you directly buy an Android phone which was designed for the operating system. I guess thats better than having a bad ported version running on a phone desigend for windows mobile.

actually this subject is non sense.

LordK said:
Thats a point i never got...
Why do people want to port Android on Wimo Phones? I you like Andorid, why don't you directly buy an Android phone which was designed for the operating system.
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People do it because, in the case of the HTC Leo/HD2, there's not one piece of hardware quite like it being sold with Android installed.
I guess smartphones are quickly becoming the new PCs & Laptops of the age. Some people buy a PC with an OS installed as default, they like the hardware but not the OS (usually Windows, maybe OSx) so they just format the HDD and install say Ubuntu etc etc.

jagnet said:
People do it because, in the case of the HTC Leo/HD2, there's not one piece of hardware quite like it being sold with Android installed.
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Yeah but you will never get a well-performing port until an OEM makes a device with the same hardware. Who's going to make the drivers for you?

vangrieg said:
Yeah but you will never get a well-performing port until an OEM makes a device with the same hardware. Who's going to make the drivers for you?
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That's true. Though the Acer A1 and Xperia X3 both use snapdragon so drivers (or partial drivers) will undoubtedly make their way to the porting project.

Yes but then you will have Android devices with the same level of hardware as HD2! So the initial question remains - why not buy them instead of coping with inevitable problems with ports?
It's not like drivers instantly start working when you copy them from one device to another, even with the same hardware platform - check out the video drivers thread to see what I mean. You're doomed to have problems like battery drain or calls dropping or poor performance in some areas or what not.
Then there will be some problems with applications - I don't know about the new devices, but all the current Android ones have low-res screens.
In addition to that, you really want 2.0 with Sense, and there's no port of that available AFAIK. Plain Android is just dull, it's nothing to fret about, IMO.
I understand the fun of porting and making things work, but using that as your primary device? It's guaranteed to be worse than what you have now.

Neither of those devices have 4.3 inch touchscreens. Also The HD2 has a look and feel all of its own.
The only thing spoiling it for me is Windows Mobile and the terrible onscreen keyboard so if we could port Android to this device I would be elated as it has a much better marketplace (Windows Marketplace is really a sack over overpriced crap), less cludge and better built in apps - the Youtube app for example supports user subscriptions and favourites viewing, and I'm a big online video fan.
The fact that Android was built from the ground up for capacitive touchscreen devices rather than being a patched up ropey old operating system with a shell interface on top makes me drool at the idea of it being on the HD2, and YES we could buy an Android device of similar specification BUT where's the fun in that??? Check the name of this site.........................

Well, I'm not on the Google/Android hype bandwagon, I do admit that the UI out of the box there is much more finger friendly and the notifications are implemented in the best way among all the mobile phone OSes, but otherwise Android's greatness is blown out of all reasonable proportion. An Android crippled by driver incompatibilities/incomplete implementation is something that totally misses the concept of attractive in my terms...
That said, I'm sure I'll install it myself one day (via haret or otherwise) just out of curiosity, that would certainly serve to satisfying the geek in me. But to expect that your experience from using the device would improve is somewhat unrealistic.

I am happy with the HD2 and figured I would decide what platform to go with at the time of my next phone purchase. This report should mean I can try out Windows Mobile 7 on the HD2 and take that into consideration as well.
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/8793.html

CAH000 said:
I am happy with the HD2 and figured I would decide what platform to go with at the time of my next phone purchase. This report should mean I can try out Windows Mobile 7 on the HD2 and take that into consideration as well.
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/8793.html
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nice, i can't wait

MSmobiles is full of **** as usual. They post BS to get hits every once in a while.

Why don't we have alternate OS options?

The HD2 does, and isn't the EVO pretty much the HD2 with the addition of the front facing camera and android?

Id like to try WP7 for a few days or weeks and see if its worth switching over, but I dont really see it happening.

phatmanxxl said:
Id like to try WP7 for a few days or weeks and see if its worth switching over, but I dont really see it happening.
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why you say that

Because microsoft is the devil and posting ROMS that run microsoft software would be considered warez imo.
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phatmanxxl said:
Id like to try WP7 for a few days or weeks and see if its worth switching over, but I dont really see it happening.
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You'd have to pay for a windows OS license to use it on your phone.

huskerpat said:
You'd have to pay for a windows OS license to use it on your phone.
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Hasn't [stopped] the HD2.

Award Tour said:
Hasn't the HD2.
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It has, except you pay for it when you buy the phone since it comes with WP7

mrono said:
It has, except you pay for it when you buy the phone since it comes with WP7
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Under your reasoning I should be able to upgrade to Windows 8 for free.
Edit: Maybe you didn't realize that it comes with WinMo 6.5 and not WP7.

There's an app called "Windows Phone Android" that lets your try out the WP7 OS as a launcher.
It sucks... IMO

Android=Free, IOS+WM=$$. This is how it looks, Google made android and just threw it out on the streets and periodically supports it, Windows and Apple have thier OS's in their basement under lock and key, with an armed guard sitting on a stool.

the reason is that only android is open source. Most of the multi OS phones are there native (iOS or WinMO) and android. this can be done because they get the code for android and it is open source. Since iOs and Winmo dont release the info it is much much much harder to actually get the thing up and running on a non-native phone.
HD2 was a winmo native phone so it has winmo and people have made it so it can run android. Evo is an android native phone ... thus it runs android.
Additionally as stated there would be licensing issues as well and most respectable sites would not allow it to be posted since it would be warez.

Yep, so not gonna happen.

I would like to try WP 7... I wouldn't give up my 4G to test it, though. But I think WP 7 looks sexy

rstuckmaier said:
There's an app called "Windows Phone Android" that lets your try out the WP7 OS as a launcher.
It sucks... IMO
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Mis-information that is not the OS just a "mock-up" of it. It is a today launcher just like sense or any other launcher.

Righteous Joe said:
Android=Free, IOS+WM=$$. This is how it looks, Google made android and just threw it out on the streets and periodically supports it, Windows and Apple have thier OS's in their basement under lock and key, with an armed guard sitting on a stool.
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not really .... ask cyanogen about his early exlpoits with android.

omegasun18 said:
the reason is that only android is open source. Most of the multi OS phones are there native (iOS or WinMO) and android. this can be done because they get the code for android and it is open source. Since iOs and Winmo dont release the info it is much much much harder to actually get the thing up and running on a non-native phone.
HD2 was a winmo native phone so it has winmo and people have made it so it can run android. Evo is an android native phone ... thus it runs android.
Additionally as stated there would be licensing issues as well and most respectable sites would not allow it to be posted since it would be warez.
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Mis-information .... android is open source but that is not where porting for a touch-pro2 come in at, someone has to write the code and drivers for that port to work right... also there are some OS ports done on android phones like the nexus 1 and 2 .... and WP7 is definately not open source but is running fine on the HD2 so really its just up to some to develop the software needed for said OS ports.

jakdillard said:
Mis-information .... android is open source but that is not where porting for a touch-pro2 come in at, someone has to write the code and drivers for that port to work right... also there are some OS ports done on android phones like the nexus 1 and 2 .... and WP7 is definately not open source but is running fine on the HD2 so really its just up to some to develop the software needed for said OS ports.
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This is not mis-information. writing the codes and drivers with out the source is vastly more difficult then writing it with the source. I did not say it was not possible i just said that a big reason you see android on iOS and WINMO phones is because android is open source. this is true since having the source code makes writing the drivers much easier and very few people have the ability or drive to write drivers for an entire phone to work with a new os. in the case of WP7 it is likely that many of the drivers designed with previous versions of WinMO work in the new version as is or with very very slight modifications which would again make this much easier then creating a new driver from scratch for a closed source os.
If you honestly think android being open source isnt a huge contribute to the reason that most other os phones get android and most android phones do not get the other os then i dont know what to tell you.

jakdillard said:
not really .... ask cyanogen about his early exlpoits with android.
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Cyan's headaches/hiccups were with the NON-open Google Apps, not with the OS itself.
PS: learn to "multi-quote" instead of posting 3 times rapid fire.

Award Tour said:
Hasn't [stopped] the HD2.
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I think there's a very real possibility a cease and desist order is in the draft folder of some MS lawyer's email.

Ubuntu?
10 chars

iOS on Transformer?

*Waits for the bombardment of hate*
I don't want it on my TF01 as I love Honeycomb and personally Android is far superior, but I was just wondering if it would actually be possible due to the TF01 running what is essentially the same chipset as the iPad 2.
OSX got ported to PC's with an Intel chip, so what would be stopping iOS getting put on the TF01?
Again, Im not asking when its going to be done, im just wondering as proof of concept since it just hit me they have the same chipset. So yeah, in theory, could it be done?

Here we go.........

I like iOS as well but if you wanted iOS....then you REALLY should have gotten a iPad instead.
With respect.
EDIT: I misunderstood. Apologies.
It may be possible. ANYTHING is possible.

Digiguest said:
I like iOS as well but if you wanted iOS....then you REALLY should have gotten a iPad instead.
With respect.
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With respect. Did you actually read my post?

Evostance said:
With respect. Did you actually read my post?
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With respect did you see my edit?

Digiguest said:
With respect did you see my edit?
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With respect, I have now No worries
Im not an Apple lover who really wanted an iPad.
Simply wondering for proof of concept.

iPad use custom ARM A4 and A5 processors. I doubt they'll run on anything else (and I'm sure Apple has done a lot to make sure it stays that way).

Where's the auto-ban here?!

I'm sure it's possible since the architecture is similar. Though it's doubtful anyone would care enough to invest the time required to make the port possible.
Though I am looking forward to the HAL 9000 port... not that different than iOS

Evostance said:
due to the TF01 running what is essentially the same chipset as the iPad.
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Only similarity in pocessor chips is they are both licensed by ARM

Ravynmagi said:
iPad use custom ARM A4 and A5 processors. I doubt they'll run on anything else (and I'm sure Apple has done a lot to make sure it stays that way).
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Hmm...seems to me all is needed is to inject a CPU driver into iOS to make it work with Tegra.
akarol said:
Where's the auto-ban here?!
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...and yet....you are still here.

The Tegra 2 is Dual Core A9 processors with an Nvidia GeForce 333 chip. The iPad 2 uses the same Dual Core A9 processors, just with a PowerVR SGX 543MP instead.
Hence why I asked the question

I still have an old iPod laying around.. I would rather get android on that..
( http://www.idroidproject.org/ )

ppirate said:
I still have an old iPod laying around.. I would rather get android on that..
( http://www.idroidproject.org/ )
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Yeah but Android is open source so..
Like I said, OSX on PC has been done because they both use Intel. Now both the Asus and iPad 2 use A9's so its a challenge if anyone wants it (if its possible)

even if it was possible iPad doesnt have a 16:9 screen so it would look like poop, would def love to just have ubuntu instead

Edit: please delete. I didn't refresh page for a loooong time

cowballz69 said:
even if it was possible iPad doesnt have a 16:9 screen so it would look like poop, would def love to just have ubuntu instead
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Thats not the point though, its proof of concept. HTC said Sensation couldn't go on older phones but they got it on the DHD and it was all out of size. That was sorted out eventually though

iOS is closed source, just like all the rest of Apple's software. iOS on the Xoom/Transformer/Galaxy Tab 10.1 won't happen because there are no drivers for Tegra on iOS, and without the source code, only Apple knows how to write drivers for it. The only people capable of porting iOS to other devices are Apple's own developers.
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Like I said, OSX on PC has been done because they both use Intel.
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OSX on PC has been done because Apple themselves originally made a port of OSX for x86 architecture, and all modern Macs use the exact same hardware that has been available on PCs. This means that hackers for projects like OSX86 don't even have to write new drivers if your motherboard specs match that of a recent Mac. OSX has the drivers to support a fairly large range of hardware, because unlike iPhones and iPads, high end Macs are designed to taken apart so you can install new hardware, with a few limitations of course for quality control.
The EULA for OSX actually states that you are in violation of its terms by installing OSX to a non-Apple device, which means no warranty or support from Apple if it all goes belly up. Furthermore, Apple implements their own specialized bootloader for the precise purpose of making it near impossible to run OSX on anything that doesn't possess special Apple branding on the firmware level.
Apple software is only designed for Apple devices. Enforcing that artificial restriction is what allows Apple to sell their devices at such a premium price, and if there ever existed a way to install iOS to something besides an iPhone or iPad, you can bet that Apple would sue the pants off the developer, because that's their main revenue stream at risk.

Short version: No
Long Version: Hackintoshes can happen why people find PC's that match the hardware of existing or old Macs, This is because OsX contains drivers for many older Macs. iOS has a smaller kernel built only for the version of the device it's on. How many android devices do you know that can run an unmodified build from a different phone? virtually none. And how do Android hackers get non-native builds to work:
1. Recompile source from AOSP -> no source available for iOS
2. Recompile Just Kernel with new drivers -> no available Kernel source for iOS devices
3. Swap binary blob drivers from other devices -> no iOS binary blob drivers available for any Android devices
4. Unlock bootloader to boot different OS builds -> iOS requires specific boot hardware that no Android device has.
Every single bit of wiggle room we normally have is a dead end on iOS, so no, its never going to happen.

Is There A Way ?

Is There A Way ? To Put Windows 8 On Sony Ericsson X10 ?

Nop. You would probably see it first on iPads/Android Tablets.

You would never see it on an iPad.

GazaIan said:
You would never see it on an iPad.
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There is a project that runs Android on iPhone/iPad. So.. Thought there was a chance to it.
Whatever, just wait and buy it.

mikeeam said:
There is a project that runs Android on iPhone/iPad. So.. Thought there was a chance to it.
Whatever, just wait and buy it.
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Android is open source. Windows isnt. You will never see windows on a non windows device.
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mikeeam said:
There is a project that runs Android on iPhone/iPad. So.. Thought there was a chance to it.
Whatever, just wait and buy it.
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IDroid is forked from Android's open source magic... And additionally, the device needs OpeniBoot to install Android on it. The only two devices with a fully functional OpeniBoot is the iPhone 2G, iPhone 3G, and iPod touch 1G, and they're Android ports are slow as hell (they make low end phones look like gods in comparison) and lack SEVERAL drivers and optimizations needed to decently run Android. Hell, even power management sucks ass, and the device discharges faster than they can charge.
a Windows 8 port would NEVER happen.
--Signed, ex-iOS user

If a W8 port ever somehow came together, it'd end up on nothing but tablets I bet.

Android vs iOS from techical perception

Just to be sure im not making this thread cause im a ios funboy..its the other way arround..i respect both OS's as i think many of us here but i always wanted to ask something that is bothering me for a long time..
As i enter my 2nd year as a android user and using iOS since iphone 3G i was in love with the iOS but always envy the interface and openess that android had to offer...so when iOS became extremly boring to me i switch to android and im in love with it..so many options so many features so much to learn...
But the main question...even as android is a great OS why it not quite good as iOS in terms of stability,battery life,smoothness.
I see somewhere that android has problems with the memory and how its used...i can't remember the exact techical term that i saw on this post but if anyone has some techinal knowlage over this question i will be happy to hear his thought!!
Thanks and sorry if this is extremly off topic!!

You mean memory leak issue? And yeah it is correct that the android os can't use the full potential of the hardware it's been provided with
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abhinav quietly brilliant said:
You mean memory leak issue? And yeah it is correct that the android os can't use the full potential of the hardware it's been provided with
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Yeah but why??not even on nexus devices that are meant to use android??

pikachukaki said:
Yeah but why??not even on nexus devices that are meant to use android??
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I don't know i am only a reader like you read it in a blog by androidauthority if i remember correct
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You mean memory leak issue? And yeah it is correct that the android os can't use the full potential of the hardware it's been provided with
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what are you talking about? what memory leak bug? i have no memory leak on my n4(i constsnlty have between 1400-1600mb free ram, maybe youre using the wrong rom/kernel or you dont take control of your apps). and also, android can use the potential of the hardware, but the app developers have to write their apps that way. thats not an android issue, its the issue of some bad app developers.
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I don't know i am only a reader like you read it in a blog by androidauthority if i remember correct
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ha!
so if its written in a blog, then it MUST be the truth. because everything found online is true(the internet doesnt lie)

Dude i am just talking in general not technically.. I am not a engineer or neither a coder and you are getting too hyper, go get a life buddy you seriously need it
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Dude i am just talking in general not technically.. I am not a engineer or nor a coder and you are getting too hyper, go get a life buddy you seriously need it
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lol, youre funny
if you do not know, then why are you posting like you know? besides, your post right here is the hyper post. i have a nice normal life, thanks for your concern. but i do suggest that you stop living in the fantasy.

simms22 said:
lol, youre funny
if you do not know, then why are you posting like you know? besides, your post right here is the hyper post. i have a nice normal life, thanks for your concern. but i do suggest that you stop living in the fantasy.
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Just because the op mentioned about something related to memory so i thought he is talking about memory leak
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Calm simms we are asking about in technical terms whats wrong with the android versus the iOS...im sure you used or had at least once in your life used iOS so im pretty sure that you also notice the big difference in experience!!

I could very well be wrong, but if I understand iOS and Android correctly, iOS apps can access "more" of the hardware, or at least more efficiently. Android apps have to go through Dalvik, and aren't... native?
A similar comparison would be C++ Windows applications on Windows, vs Java apps (being ran through JVM).

pikachukaki said:
Calm simms we are asking about in technical terms whats wrong with the android versus the iOS...im sure you used or had at least once in your life used iOS so im pretty sure that you also notice the big difference in experience!!
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no, i dont use ios. i try to avoid it(but have played with it ). anyways, i was just stating that what he wrote isnt true.
default(stock) android vs ios, there probably is some kind of difference. there would even be a difference between a nexus/aosp android and other oem builds. many companies you proprietary dalvik tweaks to make things faster, but they are proprietary. aosp and the nexus use the basic open source dalvik/tweaks, so it might not be as fast when it comes to the ui(and other things). but then again, thats default/stock android. when you move to custom builds, and after optimizations, the difference between ios and android isnt there anymore. ios also uses custom proprietary optimizations btw.

espionage724 said:
I could very well be wrong, but if I understand iOS and Android correctly, iOS apps can access "more" of the hardware, or at least more efficiently. Android apps have to go through Dalvik, and aren't... native?
A similar comparison would be C++ Windows applications on Windows, vs Java apps (being ran through JVM).
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I have heart that too some mounths ago..and why google used this as i get it with my least knowlage over software is like android is working on a virtual machine!!why they didn't create android just like iOS structure?
simms22 said:
no, i dont use ios. i try to avoid it(but have played with it ). anyways, i was just stating that what he wrote isnt true.
default(stock) android vs ios, there probably is some kind of difference. there would even be a difference between a nexus/aosp android and other oem builds. many companies you proprietary dalvik tweaks to make things faster, but they are proprietary. aosp and the nexus use the basic open source dalvik/tweaks, so it might not be as fast when it comes to the ui(and other things). but then again, thats default/stock android. when you move to custom builds, and after optimizations, the difference between ios and android isnt there anymore. ios also uses custom proprietary optimizations btw.
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You can understand my first question by a simple example...just see the specs of 3gs that can use ios6 just like iphone5..in the other way see the specs on nexus 4 or S4 and im pretty sure that there lags even 1-2secs!!

pikachukaki said:
I have heart that too some mounths ago..and why google used this as i get it with my least knowlage over software is like android is working on a virtual machine!!why they didn't create android just like iOS structure?
You can understand my first question by a simple example...just see the specs of 3gs that can use ios6 just like iphone5..in the other way see the specs on nexus 4 or S4 and im pretty sure that there lags even 1-2secs!!
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maybe so, but i have seen ios lag as well. and have heard people complain about ios lagging.

simms22 said:
maybe so, but i have seen ios lag as well. and have heard people complain about ios lagging.
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in my experience to make iphone lag..you have to do some serious sh1t with cydia....

pikachukaki said:
I have heart that too some mounths ago..and why google used this as i get it with my least knowlage over software is like android is working on a virtual machine!!why they didn't create android just like iOS structure?
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They did it likely for overall compatibility support. When Java was first announced, it made the promise of writing code once, and being able to run it on anything. Android is "essentially" the same thing, to maybe a lesser extent. iOS on the other hand is designed to run on the few devices Apple has currently, nothing else.

espionage724 said:
They did it likely for overall compatibility support. When Java was first announced, it made the promise of writing code once, and being able to run it on anything. Android is "essentially" the same thing, to maybe a lesser extent. iOS on the other hand is designed to run on the few devices Apple has currently, nothing else.
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So we can't use 100% the possibilities of android cause of open source and compatibility!

So...
AFAIK iOS is based on Objective C whereas Android uses Java. Java is not exactly known for performance - in contrast to (obj.) C. So you can optimize C-Programs way more than Java since Java does a lot "under the hood" that you can hardly control. Android's Java VM is optimized a lot for performance but... it's still Java :>
Secondly iOS doesn't have true multitasking as Android does. When you press the home button on an iPhone, the current app is nearly instantly "frozen" in the RAM. In Android apps put in the background can still do calculations and stuff (you usually recognize that when an app goes rampage and drains your battery, lol).
Third iOS doesn't quite have a file system structure but a database structure internally. Databases are way faster than file systems. The disadvantage here is that you can't save files to your internal SD card since there is no file system (like NTFS under Windows or EXT under Linux).

Google needs to work on, say klp 5.0 being useful ,smoother, more patched Instead of all this buggy trash.
But it's always about something new...
I have thought a few times about getting an iPhone!
Almost everything is better. Let's be honest about that!
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Almost everything is better. Let's be honest about that!
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I can't agree there. I like the freedom of being able to look at AOSP source code, kernel sources, and even try out different operating systems, at all, on my Nexus device (I can't say OEM devices have the same freedom though).
I consider iOS a pretty locked down platform. If I'm paying about $500 for a phone, I better be able to do "whatever" I want with it, and that is simply not the case with an iPhone. A $300 Nexus 4 on the other hand can do far more
Guess this is now an iOS vs Android thread

myturbo1 said:
Google needs to work on, say klp 5.0 being useful ,smoother, more patched Instead of all this buggy trash.
But it's always about something new...
I have thought a few times about getting an iPhone!
Almost everything is better. Let's be honest about that!
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Just finish reading the above post..and yeah android is beautiful android is easy and fun to use but my thought is that android is a "kiddish" OS compare to iOS but i have to say that even with this bad features android is still better in term of using in time compare to iOS...iOS is pretty boring OS!!
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I can't agree there. I like the freedom of being able to look at AOSP source code, kernel sources, and even try out different operating systems, at all, on my Nexus device (I can't say OEM devices have the same freedom though).
I consider iOS a pretty locked down platform. If I'm paying about $500 for a phone, I better be able to do "whatever" I want with it, and that is simply not the case with an iPhone. A $300 Nexus 4 on the other hand can do far more
Guess this is now an iOS vs Android thread
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No...no just keep the thread in pure technical terms...i also like the freedom of android..but jailbroken iOS is pretty open,not in a way that android is but still pretty open....but i though that google could use the way iOS is build and keep the freedom is offering...imo the only way to banish iOS from the map is to use a different build structure and at least abandon java where they can!!