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Hi there,
i noticed that some apps start itself automatically and run in the background?! That is very annoying. I am observing this behaviour once or twice a day with taskiller advance. Suddenly apps like ak notepad, last.fm and locale are running even though i didnt started them. I guess this is not normal?
mfg smurf
I have noticed this as well on my Rogers Magic (32A). I think that if a process or other app (like email) needs to, it will activate a related process for it to function (touchscreen, keyboard, etc.)
When using AppKiller after having the phone do nothing for a while or just one app, I'll see a few others listed. Naturally everything ends up loading the "touchscreen" process...
I'm not sure if that means SMS will show up when typing an email because they share the keyboard (as if activating one typing app activates them all)... I've never tested that specifically.
It would be cool if it didn't need to do this, but I've become accustomed to just touching the kill all apps button
Cheers,
Chris
cstretten said:
I have noticed this as well on my Rogers Magic (32A). I think that if a process or other app (like email) needs to, it will activate a related process for it to function (touchscreen, keyboard, etc.)
When using AppKiller after having the phone do nothing for a while or just one app, I'll see a few others listed. Naturally everything ends up loading the "touchscreen" process...
I'm not sure if that means SMS will show up when typing an email because they share the keyboard (as if activating one typing app activates them all)... I've never tested that specifically.
It would be cool if it didn't need to do this, but I've become accustomed to just touching the kill all apps button
Cheers,
Chris
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that sound reasonable but why is tunewiki starting for no reason or dolphin browser? Could it be bad programming? I noticed this behaviour only with a few apps but its quite anoying. They eat up memory and slow down the phone if i am correct?!
smurf said:
that sound reasonable but why is tunewiki starting for no reason or dolphin browser? Could it be bad programming? I noticed this behaviour only with a few apps but its quite anoying. They eat up memory and slow down the phone if i am correct?!
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He has a point there, I don't think a third party app would start another third party app, unless they worked in conjunction. As for the problem, try reinstalling the apps.
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He has a point there, I don't think a third party app would start another third party app, unless they worked in conjunction. As for the problem, try reinstalling the apps.
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i already tried. It doesnt matter if it is a stock, cyanogen or dwang rom. Taskkiller is showing me all this selfstarting apps after reboot and then they randomly start with no reason. Most annoying is dolphin browser. Kill it and its back in a matter of seconds eating up precious ram. Tunewiki, AK Notepad stay at least closed...
I've also wondered this and I've noticed Dolphin Browser and the TorProxy app always running, and respawn when they are terminated. I am sure it's because the apps are somehow configured to run as services, so started looking at linux services in adb. In adb shell I checked 'service list' but they were not in there, I wonder if there is a generic service that is there to keep apps alive. I'm interested to know the answer if anyone can throw some more light on it!
I noticed whenever I kill all apps, then for example, switch from 3g to wifi, or 3g to 2g, etc., dolphin browser and imusic will open in the background.... which is annoying.
Why would switching to 3g, 2g, or wifi make these apps open?
curious...
porky1981 said:
I noticed whenever I kill all apps, then for example, switch from 3g to wifi, or 3g to 2g, etc., dolphin browser and imusic will open in the background.... which is annoying.
Why would switching to 3g, 2g, or wifi make these apps open?
curious...
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i tried this and after switching 3g and wifi off an on an instance of wifi static, sms/mms and handcent spawned. Even though the usual suspects didnt start most of this automagically starting programms are indeed in need of a data connection (tunewiki, dolphin browser, locale...). We could start a list of self starting programms!?
okay, i am pretty sure now that apps are starting when wifi is on, an then the phone is switched off, then wifi goes to sleep and when the phone is turned on again wifi also and apps which need wifi are starting.
Is this only bothering me? I mean it does deplete ressources/battery life, right? I am using a tasmanager which says that i have about 45mb of free memory. After resuming from sleep with all those self starting apps it is reduced to 25-30mb.
Can anybody confirm that this shouldnt happen?
btw dolphon browser seems to have been fixed. It doesnt start after waking up the phone.
EDIT: okay, i just found this little app:
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-elsdoerfer-android-autostarts-jppi.aspx
maybe this is the solution. I am going to try it.
yeah I have the same issue both on cyan and dwang. on first boot ill run task manager and have a huge list of things, sometimes i have to kill a few times. then ill notice the phone is bogged, and check task manager and have tons of things running again.
Helo my beloved community!
So, since the HD2 utilizes quite a lot of the data connection quite frequently (mostly for weather updates), it would be good to have an option to disconnet the data connection automatically. I presume that this is probably a registry hack. This feature can be found for example in TD2/TP2 Tools. I don't want to wait until HD2 Tolls (or Tweaks or something else) shows up (I hope it will quickly because its always something very welcome!), so maybe someone could answer quickly where to tamper with the registry to do that?
Thx in advance!
any update on this?
my gprs doesnt shutdown when its not being used
sharpey said:
any update on this?
my gprs doesnt shutdown when its not being used
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I've used an old tweak I found which seems to have done the trick, not really watched it closely enough to find out as not had time yet.
Go here: http://www.andrewsayshello.com/windows-mobile/auto-disconnecting-idle-data-connections-in-wm6/
Report back and see if it does work for you!
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I've used an old tweak I found which seems to have done the trick, not really watched it closely enough to find out as not had time yet.
Go here: http://www.andrewsayshello.com/windows-mobile/auto-disconnecting-idle-data-connections-in-wm6/
Report back and see if it does work for you!
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Thx a lot, I'm still waiting form my HD2 to ship, so I'll try this as soon as possible
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I've used an old tweak I found which seems to have done the trick, not really watched it closely enough to find out as not had time yet.
Go here: http://www.andrewsayshello.com/windows-mobile/auto-disconnecting-idle-data-connections-in-wm6/
Report back and see if it does work for you!
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thanks for the reply but ive installed the cab and restarted but it doesnt seem to do anything
I just did the mentioned reg edits but it didn't seem to work. Then installed the cab to countercheck for my mistake. Didnt change the result, didn't work...
Even though I noticed the CacheTime setting existed from the start and was set to 600 (10 minutes).
SuspendResume original value was "~GPRS!"
Data charges are not so much the issue, I'm just concerned it might drain the battery quicker if the connection remains open permanently.
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I just did the mentioned reg edits but it didn't seem to work. Then installed the cab to countercheck for my mistake. Didnt change the result, didn't work...
Even though I noticed the CacheTime setting existed from the start and was set to 600 (10 minutes).
SuspendResume original value was "~GPRS!"
Data charges are not so much the issue, I'm just concerned it might drain the battery quicker if the connection remains open permanently.
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Try to do the regedits like this:
SuspendResume=GPRS_bye_if_device_off
CacheTime=5 (decimal)
VPNCacheTime=5 (decimal)
It works on my TD2, which to my knowledge has the same WM6.5 as the HD2 does. By the way, did You set the end call button long press to "terminate data connection"? If You did, then UNDO it
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Try to do the regedits like this:
SuspendResume=GPRS_bye_if_device_off
CacheTime=5 (decimal)
VPNCacheTime=5 (decimal)
It works on my TD2, which to my knowledge has the same WM6.5 as the HD2 does. By the way, did You set the end call button long press to "terminate data connection"? If You did, then UNDO it
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how do i check the endcall button?
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how do i check the endcall button?
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Right, You can't check it, as none of the HD2's hardware buttons are configurable Just ignore that question. Anyway, I think Ive figured it out to some point. It looks like the registry hack works whenever the phone connects to the web to for example browse the internet or update stocks. But it DOESN'T WORK if the phone connects to download weather updates. It looks like the Sense weather app is somehow preventing the data connection to shut down. But I think it only happens when automatic weather updates downloading is set.
hmm you do appear to be correct... now why is the weather app hanging onto the data session
Well, just tried setting both CacheTime and VPNCachetime and when checking mail I can confirm it works.
Thanks a lot! Mail checking schedule set up.
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hmm you do appear to be correct... now why is the weather app hanging onto the data session
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absolutely no idea I think someone smarter than us should try to find the answer. Ive already done a rather brief look around the registry and tried to find something that would get the weather app such privileges but with no success. Im thinking of addressing a new topic about that, so its more visible to the community
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Right, You can't check it, as none of the HD2's hardware buttons are configurable Just ignore that question. Anyway, I think Ive figured it out to some point. It looks like the registry hack works whenever the phone connects to the web to for example browse the internet or update stocks. But it DOESN'T WORK if the phone connects to download weather updates. It looks like the Sense weather app is somehow preventing the data connection to shut down. But I think it only happens when automatic weather updates downloading is set.
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Twitter app doesn't close the data connection either
This is really annoying me. My battery was draining fast and could not find out why. Now I have found out that it is because I am constantly connected to Mobile Web on O2. I have tried terminating it but it starts again. Even after unchecking auto update for weather and twitter it still turns on and never off. I have mail set to download automatically but if i turn that off too then what is the point of having this phone and feature?
I have tried the setting in HD Tweak app to turn off data after 1 minute but noy joy.
Any help? Pleaseee.
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This is really annoying me. My battery was draining fast and could not find out why. Now I have found out that it is because I am constantly connected to Mobile Web on O2. I have tried terminating it but it starts again. Even after unchecking auto update for weather and twitter it still turns on and never off. I have mail set to download automatically but if i turn that off too then what is the point of having this phone and feature?
I have tried the setting in HD Tweak app to turn off data after 1 minute but noy joy.
Any help? Pleaseee.
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Theres one more thing you should check out. The biggest connection-demander was always the NOT PROPPERLY CLOSED OPERA. If you use the opera browser, be sure to close it NOT with the X in the upper right corner, but through Opera Menu->exit function. If you close it with X, it only goes minimized and does not shut down the connection. Even if you close it, because opera is still running, after some time it will want to refresh a page and conect again. Thats why you have the imression that the phone connects by itsself. Thats not the phone, its opera
jgal said:
Try to do the regedits like this:
SuspendResume=GPRS_bye_if_device_off
CacheTime=5 (decimal)
VPNCacheTime=5 (decimal)
It works on my TD2, which to my knowledge has the same WM6.5 as the HD2 does. By the way, did You set the end call button long press to "terminate data connection"? If You did, then UNDO it
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I did the above and it works thanks!
Also as stated, weather, opera etc will keep your data connection active...so end task and it should shut down a few seconds later.
hussan882 said:
I did the above and it works thanks!
Also as stated, weather, opera etc will keep your data connection active...so end task and it should shut down a few seconds later.
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What do you mean by "end task"?...
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What do you mean by "end task"?...
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I have installed a shortcut to taskmgr in my quicklinks - so if i see something constantly running i end task...it shuts it down rather than minimising it which is what happens when you hit the little X in most cases. The taskmgr tip is in the sticky at the top of the page.
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I have installed a shortcut to taskmgr in my quicklinks - so if i see something constantly running i end task...it shuts it down rather than minimising it which is what happens when you hit the little X in most cases. The taskmgr tip is in the sticky at the top of the page.
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Yes I know what you mean but you can't kill the weather app or twitter in this fashion as they run within Sense itsself. Besides, killing processes is not the point. The point is to have an automatic data disconnection, so you dont have to do or kill anything
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Try to do the regedits like this:
SuspendResume=GPRS_bye_if_device_off
CacheTime=5 (decimal)
VPNCacheTime=5 (decimal)
It works on my TD2, which to my knowledge has the same WM6.5 as the HD2 does. By the way, did You set the end call button long press to "terminate data connection"? If You did, then UNDO it
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Hey guys,
Can any one tell me what the VPN cache time was originally set as?
Is there any way to keep track of the amount of data transferred through GPRS.
I currently subscripe to 200mb transfer per month, so I would like to keep track of this or it could become pretty expensive for me
If you google, you'll find a couple of commercial ones, but I found this for free a while ago. To be honest, I haven't a clue where I got it from, but it was definitely free.
Ave it!
Thats exactly what I had in mind!
Thanks alot!!
umiss said:
Thats exactly what I had in mind!
Thanks alot!!
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You're welcome
It's a good app - very basic, but does exactly what you need. If I remember correctly, it also ensures that it's always running, until you manually stop it, so if you reboot your phone when it's running, it starts when the phone boots up again.
This looks pretty cool.
Shame it's not got a nicer looking icon
Scary how much data browsing full web pages uses but this device is just sooooo good at it
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You're welcome
It's a good app - very basic, but does exactly what you need. If I remember correctly, it also ensures that it's always running, until you manually stop it, so if you reboot your phone when it's running, it starts when the phone boots up again.
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Yeah it sure works perfectly.
Nice to be able to set the date when it's supposed to restore as well.
Actually I don't find it in the task manager, at least not as a program, so it's no risk that one closes it unintentionally, which is great. It's really super
+1
Thanks
it'S a trial version ... go to "about" and it ask you for a serial number.
It most certainly is.
Well, as long as it's not a trial that will expire it works just fine for me, I don't need any other functions.
I seem to be getting red crosses in the connections is that normal?
That happens when your connection isn't active. If you start surfin the cross will probably disappear
Seems to work so far. 25kb just for email (imap4 headers) and weather update But again the problem that the connection doesn't disconnect by itself after 60sec (seems to happen when I update the weather, otherwise it seems to disconnect fine)
Did you do the tweak so it disconnects?
Remember to disable all auto-update, including weather and TIME!
Then it works with the autodisconnect.
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If you google, you'll find a couple of commercial ones, but I found this for free a while ago. To be honest, I haven't a clue where I got it from, but it was definitely free.
Ave it!
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Do you have any screenshots or does anyone have a link to the developers site?
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Did you do the tweak so it disconnects?
Remember to disable all auto-update, including weather and TIME!
Then it works with the autodisconnect.
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Yes, I installed the cab and every auto-update is off. when browsing with opera or watching youtube it disconnects, but when I update weather manually it doesn't disconnect. wired.
Beards said:
Do you have any screenshots or does anyone have a link to the developers site?
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you can find the developer here: http://www.efficasoft.com
Beards said:
Do you have any screenshots or does anyone have a link to the developers site?
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Sorry mate, but as I said, I don't have a clue where I got it.
The developers webpage is linked above (efficasoft) and there's screenshots there
Thanks guys... At least now I can see what is displayed.
Palringo is a pretty cool IM'ing app. The first time I installed it I found that my battery was getting chewed up even when the program was not running. I had some other problems with lock up. I uninstalled and after a couple of months I thought I would try it again.
Seems to be the same issues. Battery drain and some general lock up problems.
Wondering whether others have had similar problems.
never locked, using the current version (no beta). battery drain... I don't know really, I open it only when I need to chat, otherwise it stays shut so nobody bothers me
maybe you want to try beta version? it's been updated every 48 hours these weeks
cyberpunk627 said:
never locked, using the current version (no beta). battery drain... I don't know really, I open it only when I need to chat, otherwise it stays shut so nobody bothers me
maybe you want to try beta version? it's been updated every 48 hours these weeks
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Curious, if I close Palringo using the Task Mgr. I seemingly still show available to my contacts because they can IM me and I get a little envelope on my taskbar. If I touch that I get an option to open Palringo and then I can reply. So it seems that even when it is closed it is functiong somehow.
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Curious, if I close Palringo using the Task Mgr. I seemingly still show available to my contacts because they can IM me and I get a little envelope on my taskbar. If I touch that I get an option to open Palringo and then I can reply. So it seems that even when it is closed it is functiong somehow.
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I think there is an option somewhere to define wether you want it to run in the background or not...
Great programme, i don't use it though anymore since i somehow messed the contact list and now it shows only few of them. The same with the PC client
I updgraded to the latest beta, no lockups at all, about battery I can't tell, I just chatted and messed around a few minutes. Be sure to disable the location service!!
I absolutely LOVE Palringo.
I do not go mobile w/o using this app I don't know if it uses a lot of battery, but I can say that this IM app is much better than a lot of others.
I even went PREMIUM, but sadly it doesn't work with the new MANILA/SENSE screens . They said soon it'll work and just imagine how nicely it will be implemented into 6.5.3 or 6.5.5
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Curious, if I close Palringo using the Task Mgr. I seemingly still show available to my contacts because they can IM me and I get a little envelope on my taskbar. If I touch that I get an option to open Palringo and then I can reply. So it seems that even when it is closed it is functiong somehow.
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well have you checked task manager, cause when you click the "X" to close the program it only minimises it and doesnt close it. thats why your probably still receiving messages.
btw this is one of the best IM apps, although i wish they had implemented MySpace as well :/
Same problem here, battery drainage after I opened Palringo.
I've got this problem since I updated Palringo to version 2.5.6 r39750
If I close Palringo before going to bed I can be pretty sure to not be woken by my phone in the morning... Although sleeping long is pretty sweet, I don't like this behaviour too much.
Closing through the taskmanager (which tells me Palringo doesnt respond) leaves an icon on the taskbar. When I click that icon I get to choose between opening Palringo and closing the program. After closing (or trying to open) the icon vanishes and Palringo isn't listed in the taskmanager anymore. So far so good, but if I don't restart my phone, it will suck down the juice like me at an open bar ...
I didn't find any solution to this. Tracking is turned of.
I'm now trying to:
Close Palringo via the close-button of Palringo.
Set my status to offline before closing.
If you try to kill Palringo using the "x" button or a task manager it doesn't close itself, although it doesn't appear on the list anymore. Check running processes using a specialized process viewer, for example SKTools.
Quickfix: Use the exit menu in Palringo to quit the application.
Jackos said:
If you try to kill Palringo using the "x" button or a task manager it doesn't close itself, although it doesn't appear on the list anymore. Check running processes using a specialized process viewer, for example SKTools.
Quickfix: Use the exit menu in Palringo to quit the application.
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Yes, this worked quite well for me. No more problems at all
I rooted to FR008 recently and I've noticed that a lot of apps are starting automatically. Far more than the stock ROM. I use atk to kill then but they restart within moments.
yeah, I might be a little ocd about having things running, but the bigger problem is that a bunch of them start up when I turn on mobile data or wifi. everything competes for bandwidth at once
And so it slows down the app I'm trying to use.
Any recommendations?
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when you say they start up, what exactly do you mean? what apps are starting? do they just open and run in the background, or are they forcibly starting and taking over your screen? as for having certain programs start up when turning on some form of data, i've never experienced that particular issue.
don't blindly kill every task thats running, as the android os manages RAM and running apps differently than a windows pc.
i would highly recommend going to this thread and reading the posted links about task managers.
using a task killer on froyo is useless as the apps are restarted rather than killed
Sorry for the delay in replying..
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when you say they start up, what exactly do you mean?
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They start and run in the background. On most, I don't notice except for when I go to my task killer. Others show up with an icon in the task bar when data is turned on (see below)
mattbollenbach said:
what apps are starting?
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On the stock ROM, Google Maps and Internet started up. After FR008, those two plus Stocks, Gmail, EasyTether, Google Finance, Astrid Tasks
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do they just open and run in the background, or are they forcibly starting and taking over your screen?
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In the background.
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as for having certain programs start up when turning on some form of data, i've never experienced that particular issue.
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Yep. When wifi or 3G data connects it goes crazy. I get a sync icon in the task bar (don't know if it's Google finance or Gmail) and most of the above-mentioned apps plus, Yahoo mail (which I do use) all start up and start trying to grab data.
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don't blindly kill every task thats running, as the android os manages RAM and running apps differently than a windows pc.
i would highly recommend going to this thread and reading the posted links about task managers.
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I will read up on this. Thanks!
Task killers are bad mmkay
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Noz85 said:
Task killers are bad mmkay
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+1 - Get rid of any automatic task killer apps.
as far as apps opening and running in the background, as i mentioned, its normal. android handles all of its running processes much differently than a normal computer os. having a lot of programs running isn't necessarily a bad thing, as you'll find through reading the linked post.
with apps syncing as soon as you turn data/wifi on, that also is normal. they don't bother trying when data is shut off, but once theres an available connection, they are going to try and grab the most current data so as to be accurate.
do you use most/any of the apps that are running? if not, many apps that can't be removed normally can be removed via this method.
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with apps syncing as soon as you turn data/wifi on, that also is normal. they don't bother trying when data is shut off, but once theres an available connection, they are going to try and grab the most current data so as to be accurate.
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Would one of the "Autostart" apps be able to prevent this from happening? Often, I want to simply jump on and check my mail or the weather. With 3 or 4 apps starting up & competing for data all at once, I have to wait for a minute or so before I get what I want. This is especially annoying when I'm in an area with a weak reception.
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do you use most/any of the apps that are running? if not, many apps that can't be removed normally can be removed via this method.
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I'll get rid of the ones I don't use, but I do use some of them so I don't want to wipe them all out. That's why it would be nice to be able to configure an Autostart app as noted above..
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Would one of the "Autostart" apps be able to prevent this from happening? Often, I want to simply jump on and check my mail or the weather. With 3 or 4 apps starting up & competing for data all at once, I have to wait for a minute or so before I get what I want. This is especially annoying when I'm in an area with a weak reception.
I'll get rid of the ones I don't use, but I do use some of them so I don't want to wipe them all out. That's why it would be nice to be able to configure an Autostart app as noted above..
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Its mostly you reception then the apps. How many task killers do you have running?
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ShinerDraft said:
Would one of the "Autostart" apps be able to prevent this from happening? Often, I want to simply jump on and check my mail or the weather. With 3 or 4 apps starting up & competing for data all at once, I have to wait for a minute or so before I get what I want. This is especially annoying when I'm in an area with a weak reception.
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you could turn off background data, or at least check your sync options and make sure programs you don't want trying to auto-sync are un-checked. that way, the only program that would use your data connection would be the one you are using at that moment.
Turn off auto-sync if you don't want them to do that. As previously mentioned, as soon as a data connection is available the apps that are set to auto-sync are going to go out and get the most recent data. Turning that off will just mean you have to sync whatever it is manually. But, it will stop the **** from "starting" automatically, which btw, is normal. Just because they are in the background and "running" (<- according to your task killer) doesn't mean they are "running" in the true sense of the word. It also doesn't mean that they are ALL trying to grab data and suck up bandwidth. Maps shouldn't be starting automatically, gmail is normal because you probably have autosync enabled for it. Task killers are detrimental, would advise you stop using them. Also, I used to be OCD like that as well because of how I am on a computer.
The OCD is hard to get over, but I've stopped using the task killer.
I already had AutoSync disabled, but background data was on.
I am going to try something for a few days..
I have JuiceDefender installed, and one of its' features is to turn data on for 2 minutes, twice per hour. My thinking is that letting those apps start automatically and grab what they need on their own will prevent them from jumping on my bandwidth when I manually turn data on for a one particular need.
The reason I didn't do this before is because I get a pretty large quantity of email on my Yahoo account, and don't want notifications bugging me all the time. I just turned off notifications in Ymail (duh!) and will check it when I want. Presumably, with the 2 minute/30 minute data schedule, I won't even have to turn data on to see my recent emails.