Is it correct that the 3G doesn't have any hardware buttons, except for the D-pad and the phone buttons ?
My HTC Prophet has 5 buttons to which I have mapped (AEButton+) a lot of handy features. I think I would really miss them...
Please share your experiences...
Also I was wondering: does it have the same magnetic stylus as the Diamond ?
I've migrated from a Trinity which has lots of hardware buttons and yep I'm missing them. I don't like manilla/touchflow that much either; but I'm getting used to it.
Overall for me the better specs and the form factor of the 3G/Jade make it worth the learning curve. I've only had it for a couple of days and already the lack of extra buttons is starting to bug me less and less.
Hope thats some help
I´ve had my magician for ages now, and it was time to move on.
Bought the jade, and at first, i missed the buttons. No camera button, no contacts or calendar.
2 days using it, and now i don't miss them that much. Had to configure the answer button to access the contacts, by holding it a bit longer.
Still getting used to the touch flow software, but at first, it looks like a great little phone.
I have a Hermes before. At beginning I missed the buttons. But now I don't miss the buttons. The Jade is so small, light and beautifull.
Only the Softkay is missing, where is under the backcover.
Anyone else notice that the edges of the screen on the cmda diamond, cdma pro, and the HD seem to be MUCH less responsive than the screens of previous devices?
I "miss" the exit and start menu buttons pretty often and its pretty annoying lol.
Also the notification/title bar area plus other buttons along the bottom and side.
The rest of the screen is more responsive certainly than say the vogue, mogul, diamond or tp. But its the edges of this and the last 2 mentioned devices that get me..
Well I also feel it's less responsive, but not so much actually. Besides this is caused by the technology of the touch screen.
pozytywny said:
Well I also feel it's less responsive, but not so much actually. Besides this is caused by the technology of the touch screen.
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You mean the edges or the whole thing? The main part I feel is more responsive...
Edge responisiveness depends highly on screen calibration. Try to recalibrate screen more precisely, I think situation should improve ...
kosta0955 said:
Edge responisiveness depends highly on screen calibration. Try to recalibrate screen more precisely, I think situation should improve ...
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Hey thanks a lot. Thought the same thing myself.
Re-calibrated as accurately as I possibly could.
Still no go. I would really like someone else to try this. Take out your stylus even and press in the very corner of the X-button...you get nothing.
Sort of fix: I found that if you hold your press just a little longer it registers (much better) though I'm not quite convinced that it's still normal nor complete.
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Still no go. I would really like someone else to try this. Take out your stylus even and press in the very corner of the X-button...you get nothing.
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I don't see any problem in pressing X-button on my Touch HD. I had similar problem like yours using right vertical scrollbar and recalibration helped, so I though it might help you too, but unfortunately it seem this ain't the same problem
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I don't see any problem in pressing X-button on my Touch HD. I had similar problem like yours using right vertical scrollbar and recalibration helped, so I though it might help you too, but unfortunately it seem this ain't the same problem
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Hmm...I wonder if I should try to get it replaced under warranty.
I would want to, but I have noticed the same problem in a sprint diamond in the store, a sprint touch pro in a store, and a friends sprint touch pro.
What do you (guys) think? Replacement? It could get really annoying...not being able to close out of things. Right now since its new and awesome and stuff I'm kind of trying to ignore it or whatever but...hmm idk.
The fact that the screen is less responsive near the edges is caused by an inherent technical limitation of resistive screens. The screen has no real bezel, and thus, the screen is attached to the body frame right where it ends: at the absolute edges of the screen Where it is attached, it cannot move. A little further away from the edge it can move (eg be pressed down) but this requires more force since you need to bend the screen much closer to the fixed edges than when you would press the center of the screen, which bends the easiest.
Don't know if this makes sense, but it's like a window... Hitting it in the centre will break it much easier than when hitting it close to the edges, since the glass bends much further/easier at the center, so the same force will have more effect.
Anyway, resistive screens have this problems, capacitive screens do not, obviously, since they do not rely on pressure.
If hitting the OK/Close button is a problem for you, just use the hardware button below the screen, the one with the arrow on it. It does exactly the same thing I believe. With 'I believe' I mean I assigned OK/close to that button using AEButtonPlus, which should be the default behavior for pressing it once. I find this to be much more convenient than trying to hit that tiny X/OK button.
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The fact that the screen is less responsive near the edges is caused by an inherent technical limitation of resistive screens. The screen has no real bezel, and thus, the screen is attached to the body frame right where it ends: at the absolute edges of the screen Where it is attached, it cannot move. A little further away from the edge it can move (eg be pressed down) but this requires more force since you need to bend the screen much closer to the fixed edges than when you would press the center of the screen, which bends the easiest.
Don't know if this makes sense, but it's like a window... Hitting it in the centre will break it much easier than when hitting it close to the edges, since the glass bends much further/easier at the center, so the same force will have more effect.
Anyway, resistive screens have this problems, capacitive screens do not, obviously, since they do not rely on pressure.
If hitting the OK/Close button is a problem for you, just use the hardware button below the screen, the one with the arrow on it. It does exactly the same thing I believe. With 'I believe' I mean I assigned OK/close to that button using AEButtonPlus, which should be the default behavior for pressing it once. I find this to be much more convenient than trying to hit that tiny X/OK button.
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Hey thanks for your informative opinion.
This theory seems to fit, except it doesn't quite explain nor fit with these 2 things:
1. I can apply a pretty decent amount of pressure in the corner with no results whatsoever. But I can get full results if I apply less pressure for about .5-1 second rather than just tapping.
2. I have never seen any evidence of this on any other resistive touch devices (vogue, titan).
Why in the world do these resistive touch screens have to suck so bad anyway? The HD is the best I've seen lately, but does HTC just suck at it, or is it everyone (haven't owned a non-htc ts device for a yr or so, and that was a treo where I didn't really notice sensitivity).
My dad has a 3+ yr old Dell Axim X5 and that screen is AMAZINGLY sensitive. Responds to stylus and is too old to be capacitive. But it is literally 100% as responsive / sensitive as the screen of the iPhone. When I used it I couldn't believe it. You had to be VERY delicate and careful and trying hard to touch that screen and not have it know.
ATT: I searched a bit more and found this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=319315&page=2
Thanks very much to mikechannon once again.
Hi, seems I'm asking for a bit of help lately
Anyway on my qwerty keypad the letters U and O have to be pressed harder than all the others otherwise they won't register, I mean hard enough to slow down my typing quite a bit. I have pulled the phone apart many times and played with the keyboard position, put bits of paper in between the membrane and pop buttons etc.
When I first opened it up I noticed that the keyboard PCB was sitting above the hook looking piece of plastic holding it down and the board had been ever so slightly warped from this, I have since rectified this but the keys still need pressing hard.
Any ideas? Anyone with a similar problem?
EDIT: This is the Hermes I got from ebay second hand BTW.
aaron11193 said:
ATT: I searched a bit more and found this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=319315&page=2
Thanks very much to mikechannon once again.
Hi, seems I'm asking for a bit of help lately
Anyway on my qwerty keypad the letters U and O have to be pressed harder than all the others otherwise they won't register, I mean hard enough to slow down my typing quite a bit. I have pulled the phone apart many times and played with the keyboard position, put bits of paper in between the membrane and pop buttons etc.
When I first opened it up I noticed that the keyboard PCB was sitting above the hook looking piece of plastic holding it down and the board had been ever so slightly warped from this, I have since rectified this but the keys still need pressing hard.
Any ideas? Anyone with a similar problem?
EDIT: This is the Hermes I got from ebay second hand BTW.
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Brave man, not the easiest thing to do. Pleased you achieved success
Mike
Hi all, i searched this forum a bit and found a little info about this but still not sure.
I bought HD2 last week and hardware buttons under the screen are moving little bit from left to right when i hold finger on them and wobble with them.. Is it only me or is it designed like that? Not sure, but if they are rock solid than i think it would not be possible to press each button correctly.
Hi. don't worry. mine has the same issue and reading around it seems to be aa characteristic of the HD2. the hardware buttons' bar IS NOT fixed but it moves a little bit.
Bye and Happy easter everybody
Yes, it's fine. 6 months on and the wobble hasn't got any worse for me.
thanks for this answers
I was curious whether the buttons are easy to trigger by accident.
On my Nexus S and the Focus, there is a subtle upward curve at the bottom of the phone. This small lip seems to prevent a lot of accidental presses of the capacitive buttons.
In my experiences with a completely flat face phone (the HD7), accidentally pressing the capqcitive buttons was extremely common and annoying. I like the looks of the Omnia 7 more than the Focus, but if it leads to similar problems as the HD7 (always pressing the buttons by accident) then I'd rather go with the focus.
For me that's one of the most annoying things about the phone. I hit the search button all the time.. But some say there will be a firmware update to fix that.
singularity0821 said:
For me that's one of the most annoying things about the phone. I hit the search button all the time.. But some say there will be a firmware update to fix that.
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That's exactly what used to happen to me with my HD7. When I held the phone part of my thumb would be on the bezel and it would hit the search button. Also, when I held the phone in landscape my finger would also hit it.
With the Nexus S I don't run into this problem because the bottom is curved a bit. I've also played with the Focus a bit and it seems to have this slight curve at the bottom as well.
yup same thing here, this is when I spend time try to browse through apps and use my phone when it was still new. now i got the hang of it, and i dont really fiddle it as much as before now, just a basic need. and i got what a really wanted, fast and responsive phone.