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Anyone else notice that the edges of the screen on the cmda diamond, cdma pro, and the HD seem to be MUCH less responsive than the screens of previous devices?
I "miss" the exit and start menu buttons pretty often and its pretty annoying lol.
Also the notification/title bar area plus other buttons along the bottom and side.
The rest of the screen is more responsive certainly than say the vogue, mogul, diamond or tp. But its the edges of this and the last 2 mentioned devices that get me..
Well I also feel it's less responsive, but not so much actually. Besides this is caused by the technology of the touch screen.
pozytywny said:
Well I also feel it's less responsive, but not so much actually. Besides this is caused by the technology of the touch screen.
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You mean the edges or the whole thing? The main part I feel is more responsive...
Edge responisiveness depends highly on screen calibration. Try to recalibrate screen more precisely, I think situation should improve ...
kosta0955 said:
Edge responisiveness depends highly on screen calibration. Try to recalibrate screen more precisely, I think situation should improve ...
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Hey thanks a lot. Thought the same thing myself.
Re-calibrated as accurately as I possibly could.
Still no go. I would really like someone else to try this. Take out your stylus even and press in the very corner of the X-button...you get nothing.
Sort of fix: I found that if you hold your press just a little longer it registers (much better) though I'm not quite convinced that it's still normal nor complete.
jim256 said:
Still no go. I would really like someone else to try this. Take out your stylus even and press in the very corner of the X-button...you get nothing.
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I don't see any problem in pressing X-button on my Touch HD. I had similar problem like yours using right vertical scrollbar and recalibration helped, so I though it might help you too, but unfortunately it seem this ain't the same problem
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I don't see any problem in pressing X-button on my Touch HD. I had similar problem like yours using right vertical scrollbar and recalibration helped, so I though it might help you too, but unfortunately it seem this ain't the same problem
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Hmm...I wonder if I should try to get it replaced under warranty.
I would want to, but I have noticed the same problem in a sprint diamond in the store, a sprint touch pro in a store, and a friends sprint touch pro.
What do you (guys) think? Replacement? It could get really annoying...not being able to close out of things. Right now since its new and awesome and stuff I'm kind of trying to ignore it or whatever but...hmm idk.
The fact that the screen is less responsive near the edges is caused by an inherent technical limitation of resistive screens. The screen has no real bezel, and thus, the screen is attached to the body frame right where it ends: at the absolute edges of the screen Where it is attached, it cannot move. A little further away from the edge it can move (eg be pressed down) but this requires more force since you need to bend the screen much closer to the fixed edges than when you would press the center of the screen, which bends the easiest.
Don't know if this makes sense, but it's like a window... Hitting it in the centre will break it much easier than when hitting it close to the edges, since the glass bends much further/easier at the center, so the same force will have more effect.
Anyway, resistive screens have this problems, capacitive screens do not, obviously, since they do not rely on pressure.
If hitting the OK/Close button is a problem for you, just use the hardware button below the screen, the one with the arrow on it. It does exactly the same thing I believe. With 'I believe' I mean I assigned OK/close to that button using AEButtonPlus, which should be the default behavior for pressing it once. I find this to be much more convenient than trying to hit that tiny X/OK button.
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The fact that the screen is less responsive near the edges is caused by an inherent technical limitation of resistive screens. The screen has no real bezel, and thus, the screen is attached to the body frame right where it ends: at the absolute edges of the screen Where it is attached, it cannot move. A little further away from the edge it can move (eg be pressed down) but this requires more force since you need to bend the screen much closer to the fixed edges than when you would press the center of the screen, which bends the easiest.
Don't know if this makes sense, but it's like a window... Hitting it in the centre will break it much easier than when hitting it close to the edges, since the glass bends much further/easier at the center, so the same force will have more effect.
Anyway, resistive screens have this problems, capacitive screens do not, obviously, since they do not rely on pressure.
If hitting the OK/Close button is a problem for you, just use the hardware button below the screen, the one with the arrow on it. It does exactly the same thing I believe. With 'I believe' I mean I assigned OK/close to that button using AEButtonPlus, which should be the default behavior for pressing it once. I find this to be much more convenient than trying to hit that tiny X/OK button.
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Hey thanks for your informative opinion.
This theory seems to fit, except it doesn't quite explain nor fit with these 2 things:
1. I can apply a pretty decent amount of pressure in the corner with no results whatsoever. But I can get full results if I apply less pressure for about .5-1 second rather than just tapping.
2. I have never seen any evidence of this on any other resistive touch devices (vogue, titan).
Why in the world do these resistive touch screens have to suck so bad anyway? The HD is the best I've seen lately, but does HTC just suck at it, or is it everyone (haven't owned a non-htc ts device for a yr or so, and that was a treo where I didn't really notice sensitivity).
My dad has a 3+ yr old Dell Axim X5 and that screen is AMAZINGLY sensitive. Responds to stylus and is too old to be capacitive. But it is literally 100% as responsive / sensitive as the screen of the iPhone. When I used it I couldn't believe it. You had to be VERY delicate and careful and trying hard to touch that screen and not have it know.
The face buttons on my G1 seem to be retreating into the holes around them slightly.
I have big fingers so it is getting to be a chore to press those buttons; especially considering that the buttons were flush to the face to begin with.
I would show a picture of it, but the sinkage isn't so bad that you can see it, but I definitely feel it.
Anyone else having this problem? Its there a way to fix this? Is there any kind of product that extends the buttons so they are easy to press?
My power and back buttons feel slightly recessed (which would make sense as they're the ones I use most). It is kinda annoying, but I doubt there much we can do without opening the phone
Sometimes the touch screen is WAY off and only restart is fixing it. Noticed this 2 times already.....
I've noticed this too. I was using the browser, and my screen presses were registering as all sorts of random things (like pressing the middle of the screen would press the zoom button). Restarting the browser seemed to fix it.
Add it to the nexus one issue list.
Postal76 said:
I've noticed this too. I was using the browser, and my screen presses were registering as all sorts of random things (like pressing the middle of the screen would press the zoom button). Restarting the browser seemed to fix it.
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that's from a lack of multitouch. your hand is probably just barely touching the lower corner of the glass. when you press again in the middle, it registers on the softkeys. it is one of the things I *HATE* about this phone. I always seem to be touching the screen on the very edge. you almost cant use it with just one hand.
I find that I do that with my HTC Magic sometimes as well, the 'webbing' between my thumb and index finger sometimes touches the corner of the screen and brings up the 'app menu' in my left hand, or the 'add widget' menu in my right hand (sense ui). Just another general thing about touch screens and their placement
the four touch buttons arent that accurate. didnt have this problem on the droid. i rarely miss it there but on the nexus is becoming 50/50 chance of it not registering.
Lol how are you guys holding the phone, i always use it one handed and havent expirienced this, i guess everyones different.
bradsh1 said:
that's from a lack of multitouch. your hand is probably just barely touching the lower corner of the glass. when you press again in the middle, it registers on the softkeys. it is one of the things I *HATE* about this phone. I always seem to be touching the screen on the very edge. you almost cant use it with just one hand.
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This not necessarily a problem with this phone in particular. It is a phenonema that happens on all capacitive touch screens (that do not have multitouch). I work with them all the time (much larger scale) and the slightest touch on a border results in what appear to be calibration issues.
Multi touch takes into account for this, non multitouch does not.
This has happened to me also. Same exact thing, in the browser, the touch was way off, really way off. I was pressing the middle and the zoom button pressed. It was on the table so I know my other hand didn't touch it. It was also vibrating sometimes when I pressed the middle of it. Restarting seems to have fixed it for now.
happened to me in SMS and browser and the only fix was restart the phone.....so its not me accidentally touching the screen in another point.
ps. its so bad that i couldnt even use touch screen to power off the phone. i had to use track ball. (now i know why its there )
I've had this problem as well as other with touch screen. Sometimes I will hit an icon on the main screen and it will jump screens. When I'm in the menu's i hit one of the options and it goes to the one underneath it. I'm CLEARLY hitting the option I want and not the one below so it is infact a hardware problem in my case. I will be in the browser and hit a button and it will exit out of the browser, very annoying! Mine is unlocked but I wrote HTC so lets see what they say.
its a known prob with this phone, ppl are complaining all over Google forum, its very annoying, when it happens it doesn't just happen in the browser, also in text message n home screen ect...
jamesyb0i said:
I find that I do that with my HTC Magic sometimes as well, the 'webbing' between my thumb and index finger sometimes touches the corner of the screen and brings up the 'app menu' in my left hand, or the 'add widget' menu in my right hand (sense ui). Just another general thing about touch screens and their placement
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Webbed fingers are gross.
I have now experienced this definitively once. It happened while using the dolphin browser. I wiped the screen off, set it on a table, poked with only one finger, and could not for the life of me get the software keyboard to click on the correct button. Just wouldn't happen. Had to restart the phone to fix it. But it's only happened once since I got the thing on launch day.
^ same thing for me. Does the OTA fix this, I have not received it yet. Wish I saw this before I created a thread, sorry.
s15274n said:
^ same thing for me. Does the OTA fix this, I have not received it yet. Wish I saw this before I created a thread, sorry.
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i dunno, but touches (especially multitouch) seems ALOT more responsive and accurate than before i did the new update... i used dolphin prior and pinch zooming seemed jittery and like the phone didnt want me to do it... now everything seems smooth as butter!
obviously this is only short term though, but hopefully this fix will also address some of the calibration issues (that i also experienced) that the N1 has been known to have...
I have read a lot about the capacitive buttons on N1 being a little faulty.... it responds only when clicked on the upper half of the button... Just wondering if some developer here already found a fix for that...
If not, then is this a hardware limitation or some software glitch?
I think it's a hardware limitation. Once you get used to it it's just fine, but I agree it bothers me sometimes to have to touch it twice.
Some ROMs keep adding and removing the capacitive fix.
I dont see a problem.
You have to accept that they are different buttons.
-> On the screen I tab softly..
-> The cap.buttons, I hold my finger... (never tab it)
When you forget this, you tab on them like on your screen icons and you got to tab more times and start worrying about them...
I believe the capacitive button bug was fixed with google official OTA update.
I clearly had it before (had to hit on the upper part of the buttons) and now it's gone since the update
You can fix it? Mine is still like before.
waanz said:
I believe the capacitive button bug was fixed with google official OTA update.
I clearly had it before (had to hit on the upper part of the buttons) and now it's gone since the update
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are you serious ???
Yea mine are fixed too on cyan's latest.
faraz1992 said:
I have read a lot about the capacitive buttons on N1 being a little faulty.... it responds only when clicked on the upper half of the button... Just wondering if some developer here already found a fix for that...
If not, then is this a hardware limitation or some software glitch?
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They work fine if you just aim a tad high on the button. You adjust quickly.
What about the "area expansion fix"??
I have just upgraded to 2.2.. It still has problems with only the top half of the soft buttons being sensitive. I have also noticed that unless I'm holding the phone or touching the metal casing the buttons don't really work at all. It seems like a hardware issue. Although I do have thick skin from playing the guitar and rockclimbing. So I'm probably not as capacitive as the avarage user. Just wondering if anyone else has the same problems or even a fix?
Yeah I have to hit the upper part of the button as well. I would be interested in finding a fix for this too....
I'm running the stock OTA 2.2.1 rom right now if that helps any.
There is no fix, and the problem exists for all N1s ever produced. Hit the buttons on their top side.
I disagree, I hit mine bang on the graphic. Originally I did have to use the top but an update did fix it.
yeah there is no software fix for this its a hardware issue, i have to press mine on the top half, its never really bothered me though because most of the time i use my thumb and its so large it never misses the buttons hehe
i'd be curious to know though if the ones claiming that its fixed on their N1's how old their N1's are the newer ones may have a different touchscreen that had this issue fixed if its even possible to fix, if you look at the width of the screen border at the sides that is about equal to distance of the dead zone at the bottom of the glass so my guess is its by design and they may not have even been able to make that area of the glass touch sensitive due to how close to the edge of the glass it is
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I disagree, I hit mine bang on the graphic. Originally I did have to use the top but an update did fix it.
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try to press them at the lower half only pressing on the graphic works fine on my N1 most of the time, pressing right above the graphic always works. if i try with my index finger to press the lower part of any of the graphics it never works.
Anyone on cyanogen vouch for it being a software issue.
It's not software. I've had 2 N1's, and both do this.
I've disassembled one of the N1's about 10 times, and I've seen the under-side of those capacitive buttons. The part that detects the finger is really small. Probably 1cmx1cm box. And it's naturally placed a tad bit above the actual icon on the capacitive button. Just hit the button with your entire finger, not just the tip, and it will be fine.
Or keep crying about it. It's not ever going to be fixed. It's the way the phone was manufactured.
Frito11 said:
try to press them at the lower half only pressing on the graphic works fine on my N1 most of the time, pressing right above the graphic always works. if i try with my index finger to press the lower part of any of the graphics it never works.
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Yeah lower portion is no-go, but dead center is bang on each time.
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Yeah lower portion is no-go, but dead center is bang on each time.
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Same here no problem at all on the graphic
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Is anyone else having issues with the back & search keys at the bottom being unresponsive? We have 2x epics and both appear to have this issue.
back button working good here. havent used the search button more than 3 times since i got the phone.
This appears to be a fairly common issue. A lot of people are saying they have issues with different buttons. My home button is the least responsive.
I have to mash the "button" area considerably to get a response - perhaps it waits for a certain amount of capacitive load/change before activating. That would help reduce unwanted taps when swiping across the screen - the Evo was wonderfully sensitive, but an overzealous scroll often had the unintentional side-effect of bringing you back home or backing you out. Also, the Evo, for me, constantly brought up the search dialog if the edge of my hand came too close. So, I suppose it's a tradeoff.
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I have to mash the "button" area considerably to get a response - perhaps it waits for a certain amount of capacitive load/change before activating. That would help reduce unwanted taps when swiping across the screen - the Evo was wonderfully sensitive, but an overzealous scroll often had the unintentional side-effect of bringing you back home or backing you out. Also, the Evo, for me, constantly brought up the search dialog if the edge of my hand came too close. So, I suppose it's a tradeoff.
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This isn't true. My Epic capacitive buttons respond to a very light tap and also a full on *press*.
sounds like non-functioning buttons to me.
You might have a bad sensor on your buttons.
I did have to get used to them. The Evo's were very sensitive, in fact in landscape I'd often accidentally brush one and it was a little annoying.
The epic does seem to need just a half second or so longer for the tap to be recognized.
Aridon said:
You might have a bad sensor on your buttons.
I did have to get used to them. The Evo's were very sensitive, in fact in landscape I'd often accidentally brush one and it was a little annoying.
The epic does seem to need just a half second or so longer for the tap to be recognized.
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thats more annoying. It makes the phone feel laggy, atleast to me it does. All the my buttons require 2-5 touches before they register
bobdude5 said:
thats more annoying. It makes the phone feel laggy, atleast to me it does. All the my buttons require 2-5 touches before they register
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I'm not getting that at all. You might want to bring it back and swap it. It takes slightly longer than the evo to register but it feels "about right" to me. When I want to hit it, I have no problem hitting it.
I went to the Sprint store yesterday. The guy told me the early phones had this issue. I asked to try out the one he was giving me. He said, he'll be back and need to take it to the tech for setup and "an update"?...huh, already?
Anyways, he came back and I tried out ALL the buttons. A VERY lite tap and it responds...all of them...
I had a poll going before, and it looked like the issue was relatively wide spread... Apparently though, some phones do not have this problem. If you get this, swap out your phone, it is likely defective.
BTW, the poll is at
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=772063
I think part of the issue is that the buttons' sensitivity region is slightly below the button icons. If you tap above the buttons, they dont respond. Tap slightly below them, however, and they should respond every time... Unfortunately, this makes most cases for the epic 4g pretty terrible since you cant really press below the menu and search keys... Of course I could be wrong.