I have previously made up very short charging leads to use with earlier PDAs and my Arkon car mount. Having just got the Touch HD I was dismayed to see the "non-standard" USB connector. I cannot find a supplier of plugs to fit these anywhere. There are plenty of cheap car chargers around claiming to fit Touch HD, but I wonder if they do? Do they expect me to use the cable that came with the HD? I don't want to hack that one around. So any ideas? Can I buy a cheap sync cable and modify that? Can I get the plugs I need?
I thought the same thing but it turns out the normal usb plugs fit the HD.
You can just use a normal mini-usb male connector, it fits the same way as in a normal female usb-connector, at least for charging and mounting the phone as harddisk on a pc it works. i think even acticesync should work, 'cause its a normal usb-connection it uses.
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Seth
Well, even activsync will work, at least it work on my HD, you can even flash your HD trough normal USB cable. Check - http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BlackstoneFAQ.
Jakkuz
Wonderful! Many thanks everyone. I already have a car and mains charger with normal mini-usb connectors. Problem solved
I wonder why they made the connector like that?
pastyman said:
Wonderful! Many thanks everyone. I already have a car and mains charger with normal mini-usb connectors. Problem solved
I wonder why they made the connector like that?
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I suspect they were considering some proprietary nonsense at some point
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In my desperation to find a car mount that connects straight into the cigarette lighter so that I don't have to screw/stick one on to the dash, I have been thinking about getting one that's meant for another kind of PDA that hopefully has the same connector as the TyTN.
On Gomadic's site on this page: http://www.gomadic.com/car-auto-mounts-cat.html
they list the HTC: Blue Angel, Falcon, Harrier, Himalaya, Wallaby, Prophet, Apache, Magician, Prodigy, Wizard & Galaxy.
Is anyone sure about whether any of those have the same USB connection as the TyTN? The company makes fantastic mounts which is why I want to get another one from them to replace the one I used for my XDA II.
the power adaptor from the Wizard will work with the TyTN.
Thanks!
I checked this out using pictures from the net and saw it was the same! So I've ordered a suitable holder from Gomadic.
Standard mini-usb, but with an optional extension for their pain in the a$$ audio output/headset. But any mini-usb is fine for power.
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vijay555 said:
Standard mini-usb, but with an optional extension for their pain in the a$$ audio output/headset. But any mini-usb is fine for power.
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Actually, not completely true!
While any mini-USB cable should be fine for ActiveSync/desktop charging, not all DC mini-USB chargers are alike! There is definitely a specific voltage/wiring configuration requirement required for DC charging the TyTN.
Make sure you pick a charger that is compatible with the Wizard or the Universal, and you'll be fine... Others may or may not work!
The mini-usb for charging has extra pins connected to start charging.
Simplest method is to buy a charger that has a normal USB output (anything from 300mA up will do) best to buy a travel one that has interchangable UK/Europe/US mains heads and a 12/24V cigarette lighter adapter.
Chop the cable off your TyTn mains charger close to the power head and fit a standard USB connector to the cable.
Voila! you have a mains/mobile charger that DEFINITLY works mobile...
Hi folks,
I used my Iolite the last weekend for the first time in a car (don't have one on my own) and noticed that the cigarette-lighter-power-adapter can't be attached to my Iolite. It has not the HTC usb-plug like my phone but a standard mini-USB jack.
Did i run into a single product package error or do more people have that problem?
hi
i did not check my own car charger but one thing is sure is that u can either plug a HTC usb, or a mini usb 'normal', i use a normal usb cable (mini B is plugged on the iolite)
HTC Usb-Phone port can use normal mini-usb jack
Seriously ?
Sounds weird to me but indeed, i did not try that. It just looked wrong. But I will see if it works, later that day at home. Thanks for your replies.
it is ok, i thought it will not fit and brought it back to the buyer, but the funniest thing although it seem different but it fit to the phone
The HTC Jack is normally for the audio connector. I believe that they supply one USB "HTC" cable, and now they have clicked, use for both PC connection and charging
Everyone is right in what they are saying it makes no difference to the performance of the cable. It just means that you can't plug the audio leads into another Mini USB port
Yes it works as told. I just forgot to write down my feedback after reading those posts here.
I have used several WM phones before this, the two last were Atom and Atom Life. But this phone does not want to play ball with the USB extension cables I've been using all the time. First: No, the cables are all right: I can still sync my Atom Life without any problems. And I have used the original USB cable for the HD that comes with the box at the end (even though I've heard that syncing works just as well with a regular mini USB).
But neither a 3 m long extension cable (which is well below the 5 m USB limit) nor plugging it into a USB hub helps. Sometimes I can get a bit further with unticking the "advanced network" part of the USB to PC connection. But not allways. Has anybody here found a solution to that or even had the same problem?
Mine works fine on a Belkin 5 metre extension cable.
I can only sync with the cable that came with the phone. Other mini USB cables (ones that fit but are a different shape) only charge.
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I can only sync with the cable that came with the phone. Other mini USB cables (ones that fit but are a different shape) only charge.
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r u serious?! damn..!!! i've never tried it with the HD. my touch pro used to work perfectly with non-factory mini usb cable...
This happened to my HD.
Phone call to orange later and they insisted on replacing it under insurance.
All they wanted to check was whether the HD and PC would sync. I told them no and the response from the script that they have to work through, was that the phone is marked as "broke" and needs replacing.
In my case I suspect that the USB port may have been damaged when the car charger cable was pulled out accidently in the car with some force. Seems that they are a little delicate, especially with none HTC cables (i.e. without the odd shaped plug with only one corner truncated). I have read that non HTC ones fit a little less snug and can put stress on the board inside the phone when plugging / unplugging.
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Seems that they are a little delicate, especially with none HTC cables (i.e. without the odd shaped plug with only one corner truncated). I have read that non HTC ones fit a little less snug and can put stress on the board inside the phone when plugging / unplugging.
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You hit that on the money. I see it as a design flaw as well as a scheme to get people to buy HTC-specific accessories. But you are right, generic cables with the different connector do fit loosely and can cause issues after time if you are not gentle with it. Also, the USB connector itself on the device and internally on the solder points is poorly designed. This doesn't help.
I can sync with any cable, but it seems to be to problems:
1. If the extension is too long, it will fail.
2. If it's run by more than one USB hub it will fail. The first hub is a Toshiba docking station with a one meter cable from the laptop. The second is a D-Link powered USB hub. No matter what cable I use then it won't sync. With the cable connected to the Toshiba docking I can sync both with a regular mini USB and the original cable. Strange thing is that it only works on one of the two the front USB connections and not on one of the four at the rear! Then again Windows isn't supposed to be logical, I guess...
Normal miniusb cable works perfectly for either charging and syncing.
I even had a 7m usb cable (5m and a 2m usb extending cable), worked perfectly for either charging and syncing (I need my phone to be next to my bed, and my PC is like a few meters away from my bed).
Seriously don't know how your HD refuses to work with a cable other than the stock HD USB cable.
Hi,
are you using a custom ROM?
i used all sorts of cables, whatever happens to be lying around, infact i never use the stock one, as this is plugged it at a very inaccesable wall socket for mains charging!
generally my cables go through a hub, and then a 1m extension.
the reason i ask about the ROM is that i have flashed loads of different ROMS, and all worked fine, except one ROM (think it was topix 2.6), where it would only connect for a brief moment before auto-disconnecting. i suspect it was a 'bad flash' as they say, and so if you are using a custom ROM would suggest a re-flash. if not, you could consider a hard reset, or trying a different ROM (perhaps if it the stock ROM it has a 'bad flash' at the factory)
Tom
This thread has been hijacked (I never asked about regular mini USB versus the proprietary HTC version), but if you're asking me, I'm using the latest official HTC version (Norwegian).
mine is not picky at all...
Thank god, I checked with a mini usb that came with my external HDD and it worked perfectly...
I tried 3 other cables and none of them work apart from to charge.
I'll see if it's an issue with using my hub.
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I tried 3 other cables and none of them work apart from to charge.
I'll see if it's an issue with using my hub.
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Have you tried updating usb drivers?
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Have you tried updating usb drivers?
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No i'll try that when I get home.
Thanks
I have this issue with a specific cable on vista64, the phone only charges, but if I connect it to a Ubuntu box, I can sync, share network etc.
I think M$ is the issue in that case.
Sorry if this seems noobish but if I get one of those cheap little mini usb to micro usb adapters, can I use it to connect my Nexus One to my old G1 wall charger. Is there any difference in voltage or whatever that might damage the new phone?
EDIT: One of these http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemVersion&item=380195084986&view=all&tid=147583237025
You should be able to do that without any issues whatsoever. Same power output, different plug.
Great, thanks
actually this is incorrect.
the g1 uses htc's proprietary ext usb connector format which is not the same as mini usb.
This means that a micro to mini usb adapter will NOT work on the g1 charger.
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actually this is incorrect.
the g1 uses htc's proprietary ext usb connector format which is not the same as mini usb.
This means that a micro to mini usb adapter will NOT work on the g1 charger.
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Sorry, I don't get what you mean? I have connected my G1 with loads of different mini usb cables (Nokia ones, printer ones, the one that came for charging my PS3 controllers) and it seems to work fine. I have also used the G1 charger to charge a bluetooth headset. Seems standard to me
I have the G1 and the N1 and got the micro-USB adapters. They work with the car and wall chargers just fine. I even used the adapter on a cable and charged off a PC. It's fine.
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Sorry, I don't get what you mean? I have connected my G1 with loads of different mini usb cables (Nokia ones, printer ones, the one that came for charging my PS3 controllers) and it seems to work fine. I have also used the G1 charger to charge a bluetooth headset. Seems standard to me
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A g1 will work with a mini usb cable, but the g1 charger cable is extusb fromat which means those mini to micro usb will not work.
all you have to do is look at a mini usb cable and compare it to the g1 usb cable/charger. The connectors are NOT the same.
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actually this is incorrect.
the g1 uses htc's proprietary ext usb connector format which is not the same as mini usb.
This means that a micro to mini usb adapter will NOT work on the g1 charger.
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Early model G1's came with an incorrect charger that was standard usb-mini B so it is possible that you can if you have that charger
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I have the G1 and the N1 and got the micro-USB adapters. They work with the car and wall chargers just fine. I even used the adapter on a cable and charged off a PC. It's fine.
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that wasn't the OP's question.
I thought extusb just had extra pins for audio? Since the connector is physically the same wouldn't the adapter just lack the audio pins and thus not be able to pass those through (not a problem if you just want to charge)?
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Early model G1's came with an incorrect charger that was standard usb-mini B so it is possible that you can if you have that charger
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Ahh, that explains it. I just looked more closely and I see that the G1 socket is a different shape with only one indent (obviously extusb) but the plug on the charger is indented on both sides (standard mini usb). I guess this is how they extusb is backwards compatible.
In other words, my G1 charger is usb mini B so the adapters will work. Amazingotron
EDIT: This does raise the question, why would they use extusb for the chargers anyway? There is no audio to pass through and since standard mini usb is compatible, it must be cheaper to stick one of those in the box than a proprietary-ended charger.
I have two G1s, and one was a preorder. The wallworts were different but the connector plugs are the same: mini-USB. I use my adapter on my G1 charger.
An adapter should work fine, the US cable and the headphones that came with the G1 had the extusb connector, the charger however was normal mini-USB.
using a microusb works fine for me too even for data transfers to pc.
anyone notice though that the n1 charges REALLY SLOW when it's using the G1 charger? i'm in vegas right now and using my g1 charger w/ a microusb. I left my N1 charger at home. But from about 50%, it took literally around 3 hours to charge back to 100%. The specs for output is [email protected] manufactured by PHIHONG
You can do, up to 1000 mA are allowed
Does *any* Micro USB cable work with the Nexus One?
Like this one:
http://www.amazon.com/BlackBerry-Cable-Micro-1-0m-Black/dp/B001QATRCA/
The G1 USB cable I currently use was the same price as the above, but it was actually branded as a "G1" cable.
Anyone know for sure?
yes, any micro USB cable. Heres a breakdown:
If your phone has an extUSB port, any extUSB cable or miniUSB cable will work.
If your phone has a miniUSB port, any miniUSB cable will work, extUSB would work but it cannot physically fit into a miniUSB port.
If your phone has a microUSB port, any microUSB cable will work, but no miniUSB or extUSB will work.
extUSB is HTC's semi-proprietary USB port which is simply miniUSB with an audio connector and unique socket shape.
All USB ports and cables of the same form factor have the same pinout.
MicroUSB has replaced MiniUSB and all new released portable devices will have microUSB most likely.
Xperia X10 miniPro connections?
Hi Folks - This is my first post and still getting used to how this board works, so please be patient with me!
I've got a similar problem regarding miniUSB leads... I've recently bought a Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 miniPro... It charges via the USB port but the connector is not standard!
I'm wondering if anyone knows the pin-out of the socket and also where leads with such a connector can be purchased online?
Thanks for any help!
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And you thought asking Nexus One owners would be a good idea?
Try a Sony section, someone there is bound to know.
All microusb cables are not the same I found this out recently.
I bought a microusb "blackberry" that fit into my nexus one no problem but when I tried to use it to transfer files; windows would act like it didn't know what device it was.
Now i'm currently using a kodak microusb that will allow windows to know its the nexus one and I can I mount my phone but everything is copy write protected.
So when I get home I have to go back to my old beat up cord that wont stay in my phone until I find a suitable replacement that will let me mount and access the files.
I bought some blackberry microusb cables on Amazon for a penny back in March (yes, 1 penny each!). They work perfectly for everything. I guess somehow wondercoolguy managed to find cables that were even cheaper then mine
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I bought some blackberry microusb cables on Amazon for a penny back in March (yes, 1 penny each!). They work perfectly for everything. I guess somehow wondercoolguy managed to find cables that were even cheaper then mine
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This BB wire fits the nexus like a glove but hates transferring information. Yes I got my wire for 1.00 from a mertine if I remember correctly....I hate that place
Afaik any micro usb cable will work. Micro usb is the new standard.
I haven't seen any charging-only cables but that is a possibility.
http://m.gizmodo.com/5389063/united-nations-approves-microusb-universal-phone-charger-standard
I have been using micro-usb cable for my external disk, Nexus/GalaxyS and my previously own Nokia N97. No problem for charging, transfer files or tethering. I even use old N97 charger (micro-usb connection) on Nexus One before. None of these had any problem.
Micro-USB is a standard connection, there shouldn't be a problem. If there is, it could be due to the system mainboard or mainboard's USB port itself. Try not to connect too many devices through a USB-hub that link up from a USB port of the system. If you really need connect it via a USB-hub, get those hub has a dedicated power adapter.
Just buy any cheap cable, it will work. I also bought two official HTC chargers for my phone as well as some random USB to microUSB cables. All work fine, just as do the cables from my Nokia phones, cameras and cables I found under my girlfriend's bed lol
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I dont know if anything I said was taken to heart please disregard it because I found out that my work disabled the flash drives to read only. It's not the cables fault all my cables work at home sorry