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Why is my HTC Universal still so slow? Experts pls help...

Has anyone realised that the HTC Universal is not as fast you expected? I've tweaked the registry and done all the optimisations, but my HTC Universal can get sluggish sometimes.
I bought a Dopod 900, and I am using the latest Dopod 900 ROM. Made some Extended ROM modifications, which only involved removing the extra telcos settings from my phone.
Let's see what I have installed in my ROM:
Pocket Breeze + Contact Breeze
Resco Explorer (w/ FTP Client and Registry Editor)
Total Commander
Pocket Informant
Pocket Music
Pocket Hack
Pocket Mechanic
ClearVue Office Suite
Photo Contacts
Now for my other programs in the SD card:
TCPMP Player
SPB Benchmark
My Registry Tweaks:
Upped the Glych Cache to 32MB (limit = 32768)
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\GDI\GLYPHCACHE\
Speeded up the Start Menu Animation (AniType = 1)
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\GWE\Menu\
Increased Font Cache to 16MB (CS = 16384)
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Systems\GDI\SYSFNT
Increased Storage Cache to 16MB (CacheSize = 16384)
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Systems\StorageManager
After soft reset, my free ROM is 19MB and free RAM is usually 20-25MB. I only have the Pocket/Contact Breeze Today plug-in on my Today screen.
However, after all the tweaks my Dopod 900 is still not as fast as I expect it to be. Just to quantify "fast" I mean no lag or little lag (less than 2 sec) when open programs and stuff.
I ran SPB benchmark on my clean hard-resetted Dopod 900 and the CPU Index was around 1000+ while the Graphics Index was only 200+
I did a search and found a SPB benchmark for a Dopod 900 from some Chinese review. The CPU index was around 1300+ and Graphics Index was around 200+
My CPU index seems to be 20% slower than the reviewer's result. Is something wrong with my set?
And is there something wrong with Dopod 900 Graphic Drivers? A score of 200+ on Graphics Index is pathetic especially when you consider that the Eten M600 and even the Dopod 838 (HTC Wizard) can achieve 2800+ on Graphics Index.
If anyone has SPB benchmarks results to share of their own HTC universal, please share with us.

I am no expert. I am a newbie to Pocket PCs, but one thing I've learned, as long as you minimize installing applications in the main memory, you can speed up your universal.
You can install Total Commander to your SD Card too. I have that in my SD Card and it works just fine.

cktlcmd said:
I am no expert. I am a newbie to Pocket PCs, but one thing I've learned, as long as you minimize installing applications in the main memory, you can speed up your universal.
You can install Total Commander to your SD Card too. I have that in my SD Card and it works just fine.
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I thought it was the other way round. WM5 PPC access ROM faster than SD Card right? So my installing my core apps into ROM, it should run faster.

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I think you should sell your Dopod 900 because you'll be vey disappointed for the simple reason that your expectation of less than 2sec opening for each and every application will never be realized

the most of registru hacks you applied speed up the display but decrise program memory. my expirience says: more program memory - faster device. I get rid of EVERYTHING I don't relly need and my wizard starts with ~27mb of program memory and I love it!

mine is fast, starts up with 30meg.
i think you have amped up your registry tweaks to total overkill. wind em back to the recommendations.
i also believe your pocket breeze and contact breeze are slowing it down, what happens when you remove from today and soft reset.
i can only assume you have done the really obvious, like removed the antivirus software, disabled error reporting, and disabled auto beams.
what is in your startup?
do you have applications on the today screen access the SD card? do you have sd card memory readers on the today screen? are you running any close features such as magic button etc
is activesync auto running in the background?
i have SPB PP, SPB Diary, SPB Backup, SPB GPRS, SPB Weather, all running on startup as today plug ins and my device is acceptable (generally sub 2 - 3 seconds application launch and screen rotation), but if I switch them all off, everything is instantaneous. I also have MSVC running on startup with the SPB stuff. On boot up, RAM is 25mb instead of 30mb.
also, do you have a large PIM file from synchronising contacts and calendar? mine was 5mb and slow. by controlling what I was syncing, namely calendars, and only 100 contacts, it is down to 1mb, this had a big impact.
Also, there is a big trick, if you dont use video calls, disable it. its on these forums, or can be done via hard reset and not install the cab. there is a registry to disable it. this will consume 30 meg.

Yes, this is all discussed elsewhere. Ensure you haven't installed the extended cab as far as possible, and indicate if you're using the extended rom dialler skin, which is a considerable drain.
Is the bench marking app reliable? I know Buzz was working on some lightweight roms and it'll be interesting for us to benchmark our different flavours.
V

The simplest way to make your device speed up by almost 40% is to prevent the Ext.Rom from installing. All you need to do is first hard-reset your device and when during the process of windows setup, when you come to the operator customisation screen, just soft-reset. This will prevent your device from installing any of the carrier customisation files on the Ext.Rom.
Try it, you won't regret it one bit.

vijay555 said:
and indicate if you're using the extended rom dialler skin, which is a considerable drain.
V
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Can you please post a screen shot of what our phone skin should look like? I know I used corporate mode on O2's ROM, does this ensure that I did not let any of the Ext ROM to install?
I also found the thread that discusses about the phone skin. Here it is: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=40342
Are you referring to this registry tweak to correct the phone skin?
To set or remove the operator phone skin
The setting is at 'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Security\Phone\Skin'
The 'Enabled' DWORD value can be set to '1' to show the operator skin or '0' to show the default skin
For example, to show the default skin
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Security\Phone\Skin\Enabled = 0

I don't have my phone and facilities infront of me to take screenshots, so am posting some rubbish from my site. But basically, WITH the extended rom specific skin, your VGA phone looks like this:
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Without the ext rom skin (this is the pin entry screen, but it's similar but less screwed up):
The without skin is much much faster.
I've had an idea about how to re-skin the phone hopefully in a light weight manner, but haven't had a second to play with the idea. When I get some time, hopefully next week, I'll play with a proof of concept.
V

But Vijay, doesn't that mean that you lose the ability to make video calls?

wouldn't know, no one ever wants to see my face!
Generally I think it does, but I think the more complete thread posted above contains some details about how to re-enable it. There's also posts somewhere on how to re-enable the terrible intellidialer.
V

Thanks very much Vijay. I'll try it too. Since I'm in the US, we don't have video calls yet, I think.

free ram

Hi,
how much free ram do you have after a soft-reset?
I have 16MB only

ovsoft said:
Hi,
how much free ram do you have after a soft-reset?
I have 16MB only
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Now I understand why you have slow gui response. Maybe you should get rid of those today plug ins you have installed....

you should have close 25 megs of free RAM after a soft reset

Tiemen said:
you should have close 25 megs of free RAM after a soft reset
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I have 30 meg after a soft reset. It settles down to about 25 meg after a day of normal use.

Matterhorn said:
I have 30 meg after a soft reset....
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Is that with or without any today-pluginn's ?
Mine restarts at about 25 Megs with Spb PP and Newsbreak running as pluginn's, and with the wirelessmanager i got back in the todayitems after a reg-hack.

25mb to me.

Moaske said:
Is that with or without any today-pluginn's ?
Mine restarts at about 25 Megs with Spb PP and Newsbreak running as pluginn's, and with the wirelessmanager i got back in the todayitems after a reg-hack.
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After a soft reset, it loads the following programs/today plugins: Today Agenda, Pocket Weather and iLauncher. Although the Trinity is plenty fast, I did change the registry with the same buffer and memory hacks as described in the Wiki for WM5 devices, this normally decreases the available RAM just a bit. Anyway, I just did a soft reset to verify the available RAM and it is showing exactly 30.0 meg. I then load Photo Contacts Pro manually and end up with 28 meg. of free RAM. After starting up a wifi connection, and loading Pocket Outlook, IE plus and other apps, then closing them all down again, I still end up with 27 meg. free. I'm quite pleased with this number since my Prophet only shows about 20.6 meg after a soft reset with exactly the same application setup and load and close app procedure.

I forgot to mention mine loads with the factory default plugins and also TomTom 6.
I also have Skype installed but I removed it from the today because I noticed that the gui was getting a bit slow, nothing dramatic just enough to notice it.

e 36,10 MB after soft reset ...

wishmaster82 said:
e 36,10 MB after soft reset ...
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Are you running a Dopod ROM or are you running without the extended ROM installed?

Matterhorn said:
Are you running a Dopod ROM or are you running without the extended ROM installed?
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and what is the difference ?
i'm newbee .
EDIT : Ops.. i think that i made an error. I'll post a screenshot of my System info after Soft-reset.
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I have:
Program: 23.71
Storage: 18.29
This is with the phone activated.
SPB PP + Weather panel + Comm manager.
When you say 30, do you mean in total or just for programs?
In my opinion, mine is running very slowly, I am quite disapointed with its performance. Specially with PocketInformat and Flexmail.
Any sugestion?
Thanks in advance.
Cayetano.

TROTAMAR said:
I have:
Program: 23.71
Storage: 18.29
This is with the phone activated.
SPB PP + Weather panel + Comm manager.
When you say 30, do you mean in total or just for programs?
In my opinion, mine is running very slowly, I am quite disapointed with its performance. Specially with PocketInformat and Flexmail.
Any sugestion?
Thanks in advance.
Cayetano.
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I meant 30 meg free for Programs, storage space on mine is 0 because I still don't have a storage card that works in it, so it is full of stuff. It is driving me crazy! I've ordered a new mini SD ...waiting. Dopod is a phone company in Asia that sells a version of the P3600. Sometimes they have a cleaner firmware ROM than HTC.

Originally Posted by TROTAMAR
I have:
Program: 23.71
Storage: 18.29
When I say Storage, I mean the storage side of the internal memory of the Triny, not the added SD Card.
You may know that the internal memory is divide in two parts, Programs and Storage.
Just for your information, as memory card, I am running a Sandisk of 2 GB without problems in my Triny.

Memory flood

Hello,
I own a Qtek S200 and I have loaded it with every possible ROM without solving my problem. The problem is a very strong memory leak.
After a reset I have something like 17 mb free. At the end of the day I end up with around 5 Mb and here we go for another reset.
I am using SPB Pocket Plus so every task I start is completely closed when I am done with it.
Does anybody have the same problem? Is there any solution?
Thanks

xtrips - great topic title! A+ for effort
You'll have to detail what software you've got installed, and for your own benefit, try hard resetting and running the device without any software installed to confirm the location of the leak. Frankly advice is going to be - hard reset, re-install one app at a time and run it for a while, until you find the one that leaks.
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Hi, I'm having the same kind of problems, never got time to test and check if it's software or OS related..

Need help!
Hi,
I just want to know how much RAM do you have left after a soft reset and if it holds an acceptable amount of free ram in the long run.
I have tried every available ROM on my S200 and I usually run the following softwares:
- SPB diary, weather, time, insight
- Wisbar Advanced
Well after soft reset I have something like 18 Mb free but after an hour it gets to 10. The morning after I only have 6 or 5. At this point it is useless to try to run anything. It just freezes.
I usually do at least 2 or 3 soft resets a day.
I am sick of it and I would like to know if anybody shares the same experience?
Thanks

Ditto here too, a memory leak of some sort. Installed SKs soft to 'get back' the RAM which just sends hibernate calls to running soft and has them free up what RAM they have accumulated thus far. I also found that at the end of the day my filesys.exe, gwes.exe and my shell32.exe have trippled or even quadruppled in size and anything I try to free up the RAM is futile - soft reset gets it back to around 18MB. By the way I don't have any SPB Software installed either, it probably isn't any faulty soft, I am thinking that it has to do with these ROMs that we flash with. When the original QTEK ROM was installed the RAM at boot was already at 18 - 20MB and now with 2.20.7.34 it starts with 2.2MB and then jumps back to +/- 18MB after about 10 seconds or so... something in there is clanking around somewhere but I am not a mechanic.
Just my input, I would like to not have to do 2 or 3 reboots per day too...

Hi there, just found that loaded app's dlls won't be unloaded, even if you use a task manager to really close the apps. That seems intended by design, it's not a memory leak (as they won't be loaded again the next time you start that app).
So.... if you use few apps, either intensively or not, you won't have to restart your ppc all the time. BUT if you use many (many) apps, even if you only launch them once per day, you may have to reboot everyday once your memory will be completely filled with those dlls. EVERYTHING uses dlls (and they have not much in common), including creating a new contact, new task, viewing your calendar, launching a settings applet, etc.

i have got the same problem, using AKU 2.3 ROM, which ROM are you guys using? And what today plugins have you got?
I have:
luncher
spb diary 2.2.1
ptravelalarm 2.7 beta

Don't bother....
uccoffee said:
i have got the same problem, using AKU 2.3 ROM, which ROM are you guys using? And what today plugins have you got?
I have:
luncher
spb diary 2.2.1
ptravelalarm 2.7 beta
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I've been evolving around the same set apps loaded in my PDA from the beginning, on the other hand I tried 'almost' all the AKU's around and i can tell you that:
- only when I tried AKU's 3.x or WM6, and only then, I could clearly notice a serious improvement in memory management.
I was always blaming the software I was installing but i ran many tests including running my PDA with the OS only, not even loading Extended ROM stuff. Well my S200 always behaved badly.
The problem is these AKU's are still very buggy and i had to reverse back to the release Qtek version 2.2 os.
It's the worse for memory management (i wake up sometimes wit only 2.3 mb memory lesft to use!) but it still is the most stable and all features works.
That's all.

has anyone thought of a way around this? or a way to increase RAM for that matter? i've been using PocketIE and after 3 or more additional windows via spb pocketplus, the prophet slows down drastically or worse it hangs when i check the RAM it's already critically low.. i tried rebooting the prophet and running only PocketIE again through GPRS (3 windows again) still the same thing.. slows or hangs.. any workarounds here? BTW im using iMate ROM 2.13.9.23WWE if it helps.. RAM starts up at 18MB..

Hi, having same problems here with ram. Maybe we could just stop some processes we don't use form start up. For instance
Input method; i just use kboard, not handtype or phonepad
Dictionary
MMS
GPRS
Speedialing...
The question; HOW TO!?

Maybe you could try the little proggie OxiosMemory to get rid of the trash without having to soft-reset. Can be found typing OxiosMemory in Google.

Help to free ram

I have red about people here with 400Mb free ram using vista...I am using right now 950mb!!! I have installed only:
MagicDisc
winzip and winrar
Office 2007 (without Access and other things)
Skype and Messenger
Antivir
Firefox
Now I have closed Magic disc, skype and messenger closed, no explorer windows opened, any office apps closed, Origami closed and I use 817Mb...can someone tell me more about this? I am doing nothing and my ram is finished!
Thanks
PS: Aero not active, Vista SP1 and all the HTC updated drivers installed

defrag ram
use software allowing ram defragmentation
then do it after you close an aplication
i use silicon prairi mem turbo which allow me to defrage in 30 sec by typing crt+f
normally you always have around 400 m of free ram with word firefox msn runing,
you can obtain up to 600mb of free ram..

nicolas.maigne said:
use software allowing ram defragmentation
then do it after you close an aplication
i use silicon prairi mem turbo which allow me to defrage in 30 sec by typing crt+f
normally you always have around 400 m of free ram with word firefox msn runing,
you can obtain up to 600mb of free ram..
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Thanks for the tip, I'll try it and let you all now. Even if it is written for Windows Xp/2003 hope it will work well on Vista too if you are using it.

You could easily use the ReadyBoost in sight and use or share the memory of your SD card, you must first enable the facility in Vista, is not a real increase of ram, but it helps to choose an increase between 30% and 80% performance overall system, improving its performance, my advice is to share the amount of memory to use in SD, for example, I have one of 4Gb, 2Gb for ReadyBoost and 2 gigabytes of storage. If you want to share one more memory, you'll have to turn on Vista also ease of use memory more than 4Gb default is disabled. Best regards
http://askville.amazon.com/ready-boot-Windows-Vista-ReadyBoost-ReadyBoot/AnswerDetails.do?requestId=7355094&responseId=7361208
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4all said:
You could easily use the ReadyBoost in sight and use or share the memory of your SD card, you must first enable the facility in Vista, is not a real increase of ram, but it helps to choose an increase between 30% and 80% performance overall system, improving its performance, my advice is to share the amount of memory to use in SD, for example, I have one of 4Gb, 2Gb for ReadyBoost and 2 gigabytes of storage. If you want to share one more memory, you'll have to turn on Vista also ease of use memory more than 4Gb default is disabled. Best regards
http://askville.amazon.com/ready-bo...tails.do?requestId=7355094&responseId=7361208
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Thanks, even if there are so many ideas about ReadyBoost...someone is happy with it, someone tells that encrypting all the datas makes the cpu slow...anyway I will try mem turboin a couple of minutes

[Q] RAM usage...

My RAM is always at about 250/328MB
Is it possible to lower that amount used?
Would it help speed things up a little? Wondering if that would help with the problem that sometimes when I back out of a program or app or hit the 'home' button all that comes up is my background pic and it sometimes takes 20 seconds or so for my apps to appear on the screen.
My 'home screen' just has the Samsung widget Program monitor on it and I usually try and keep that at 0 so Im not running programs Im not using anymore.
Thanks

Get app killers and a program that does garbage collecting to force the release of memory
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ruoppster said:
Get app killers and a program that does garbage collecting to force the release of memory
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I would avoid that as it will likely cause problems. Android will have a high memory usage when everything is running fine and normally. It leaves frequently used apps in memory so it takes less time to open them when you need them. It will also free up and allocate memory automatically as needed. If the system gets low on memory, it will free it up from somewhere else. Task killers will just create lag as they will close stuff that likely should be running, or needs to be running. Killing them just creates lag by forcing them to restart. Same goes with other applications, like the browser, email, gmail and messaging that people likely use frequently. Killing them will just make it take longer when you go to open them up again.

not totally true...if you know what you are doing then freeing memory by killing apps that you don't use everyday makes machine run smoother...installed about 400 apps which caused auto start ups to cause machine to run super slow with about 40-60 megs free.
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ruoppster said:
not totally true...if you know what you are doing then freeing memory by killing apps that you don't use everyday makes machine run smoother...installed about 400 apps which caused auto start ups to cause machine to run super slow with about 40-60 megs free.
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Just hold down your home button, there's a task manager built in... end all of the apps you aren't using.

True but I was thinking more about processes...rss doesn't work right now so I kill the two processes...stuff like that and gtalk and skype
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the best thing to do is root your phone then get an app like titanium backup and freeze the bloatware or the apps you dont use. i have done this and it has freed up something like 20-50 mb of ram

imnuts said:
I would avoid that as it will likely cause problems. Android will have a high memory usage when everything is running fine and normally. It leaves frequently used apps in memory so it takes less time to open them when you need them. It will also free up and allocate memory automatically as needed. If the system gets low on memory, it will free it up from somewhere else. Task killers will just create lag as they will close stuff that likely should be running, or needs to be running. Killing them just creates lag by forcing them to restart. Same goes with other applications, like the browser, email, gmail and messaging that people likely use frequently. Killing them will just make it take longer when you go to open them up again.
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While that is true, if youre smart about the apps you kill,you'll extend your battery life and increase your ram. Dont kill things like task manager, voice command, and any widgets you're using. like imnuts was saying, if you kill those apps, youre decreasing your battery life and create lag because theyll reopen on their own and are essential for the phone to run. U want to kill things like phone, messaging, facebook, cachemate, and other things that dont automatically quit when u exit them and arent essential for the phone to run. once ur finished with them and dont need to use them again u can kill it. The task manager that comes with the phone only detects apps that are left open using the home button. Also, dont use live wallpapers and widgets u dont use. Use setcpu and a debloated rom, and that should help as well.
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You earned this one today Biz
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hahahahahhahahaha

Get rid of touch wiz, get gingebread launcher. Frees it up tons.
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......Ive been reading as many dev and general posts as I can just tryin to learn amap... jus got continuum less than month ago and rooted with soc got cwm 3 runnin bout to flash first rom so many thanks to all and to make long srory longer I would just like to say one thing...... hahahahah.........you guys are cracking me up at 4 in the am
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