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New Here - 2020 wanabee

Hi all
Just spent the all day reading and trying to convince myself that i need a 2020...now that that part is done...i still have some doubts 8)
My first doubts were between choosing the p900 and the 2020, the choice is done...so lets move on.
Does the 2020 have a pen that i can use to take quick notes like handwriting (like in the p800/900), i'm an old school 3m yellow sticker addict and i need to grab quick notes every 5 minutes, so that would come real handy. If it's not included (havent seen it in any pics yet) wich one should i get, and does it fit anywhere in the 2020? or do i need some kind of case or something?
Also on the gps side, it would be great to have gps in my car since i travel a bit, wich model is the cheapest (or the better compromise between price / quality ).
Thanks in advance for your help, and I hope to get my 2020 real soon so that i can take advantage of all your knowleadge
Thanks
Pac

Yes a stylus is supplied, you can buy a pen/stylus also, that is a ordinary pen one end and a stylus the other, you can scribble notes on the screen (using stylus) or draw plans etc. If you wish to use the gps anywhere besides the car I would suggest a bluetooth wireless type, the original tomtom bluetooth gps can be had very cheaply on ebay now. If you only wish to use it in car then I suggest a cheap wired version such as Haicom HI-203e or HI-204e, this will come with a lighter plug attachment to power gps and charge your phone at the same time, the lead is also contains the data connection. This type of gps usually use the nmea format at 4800 bps and is compatable with just about all navigation software. I would suggest you look at tomtom version 3, details at www.tomtom.com. There are plenty of others but I think tomtom is the most popular and you can download free software that will warn you of upcoming speed cameras, also there are numerous overlays for locating places like gas stations, airports etc plus free stuff that allows searching by postcode.

Thanks for your help, a month later I already have my 2020....so i'm really part of the club now
Thanks

Using my Inc's GPS through the Laptop?

I was wondering if anyone knew of a way of sharing the GPS device in my Dinc, so I can use it on mapping programs on my laptop, so I would need to register as a external comm device I think...
I'e heard people can do it with the camera, so I was wondering if its at all possible to do it with the GPS...
Maybe you know it can be done, with an app or setting, or maybe someone knows of an app that can do just this, please feel free to add your thoughts
MOD please move to where you feel its good, I couldn't figure where to post it
Thanks all

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There is no interface to use the GPS with external devices.

krelvinaz said:
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There is no interface to use the GPS with external devices.
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But couldn't one be developed?

I have been wondering this since I had my first gps enabled smartphone. Every now and then I would search for this exact question. If apps on the phone can use gps why couldn't a laptop see it?
Sorry if this is a dumb question.
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so you guys want an app to send gps signal to a laptop?

This is based on opinion but i don't believe the gps chip on the phone can broadcast via usb or blue tooth due to hardware limitations. on the other hand if there was a program that could display the phones screen then i guess thats about as close as your gonna get.

zeke1988 said:
so you guys want an app to send gps signal to a laptop?
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Basically yes, So I can use it with my Chart Plotter programs, and location service programs.
I once had a USB Bluetooth dongle, and it registered as a Comm device over bluetooth, I was just wondering if thats at all possible to do using the Dinc, as android is very open, might be a way.
Thanks if anyone actually looks into this, willing to donate if anyone gets this working

I know this isn't what you asked, but... USB GPS dongles are pretty cheap on ebay and other places, I've used them before and they work well. Just a thought.

This may not be exactly what you want but it the closest thing I can think of. http://www.appbrain.com/app/com.gpstether
Im not sure if there is a client for windows, but it will work with gpsd on MAC/Linux.

mrlanrat said:
This may not be exactly what you want but it the closest thing I can think of. http://www.appbrain.com/app/com.gpstether
Im not sure if there is a client for windows, but it will work with gpsd on MAC/Linux.
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Hmm interesting, so if this works with Linux/mac , maybe something can be developed for Windows, and that is similar or something, i'll keep my eye out I guess, if anyone knows anything, please post

junjlo said:
This is based on opinion but i don't believe the gps chip on the phone can broadcast via usb or blue tooth due to hardware limitations. on the other hand if there was a program that could display the phones screen then i guess thats about as close as your gonna get.
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Its not the GPS chip that has to broadcast. It theoretically works like this:
The GPS gets your location and the all data it was meant to collect. It returns that data to your phone. There would be an app on your phone that collects and aggregates this data and sends it over Bluetooth or USB. Then a program on the client computer would be like a driver. It would make the client think your phone is a gps receiver and collect the data your phone is sending over. Then, any program that uses the gps functionality will recognize your phone as a GPS device.
I only know how it works, but I am not good enough to actually develop it.

dgourd said:
Its not the GPS chip that has to broadcast. It theoretically works like this:
The GPS gets your location and the all data it was meant to collect. It returns that data to your phone. There would be an app on your phone that collects and aggregates this data and sends it over Bluetooth or USB. Then a program on the client computer would be like a driver. It would make the client think your phone is a gps receiver and collect the data your phone is sending over. Then, any program that uses the gps functionality will recognize your phone as a GPS device.
I only know how it works, but I am not good enough to actually develop it.
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Well thats a start, do any Developers know anything about this?

BlueNMEA
At least one dev has this working with WinMo and there are a few reviewers who have gotten it to work with a laptop... Google "BlueNMEA"...
Cheers!

Thanks for the info, i took a look at it, but doesn't seem to be working perfectly yet, we'll have to see what happens in the future,

[Q] BT Serial Port SPP (rfcomm) maybe someday?

I can't post this in development because I an still a nobody ...
Would it be possible to add in rfcomm for Bluetooth SPP serial port? The Nook would make a great tablet for telescope mount control over BT. You can't do it with the iPad due to the security around the BT stacks. It would also allow NEMA GPS modules to be read for different applications.
I'm running CM7 7.0.2 and this isn't yet available.
Just a dream?

Not sure if this is what you're talking about, but you can send the GPS data to the Nook form a GPS device like a Cell phone or GPS receiver. I use a stand alone GPS receiver and sometimes my Droid cell phone to send my location to the Nook to use CoPilot and Google Maps on the Nook. That's at least half of what you're talking about right?

Calla969 said:
Not sure if this is what you're talking about, but you can send the GPS data to the Nook form a GPS device like a Cell phone or GPS receiver. I use a stand alone GPS receiver and sometimes my Droid cell phone to send my location to the Nook to use CoPilot and Google Maps on the Nook. That's at least half of what you're talking about right?
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Hmm, you got me pondering...
I got out my trusty Garmin GPS 10 and I can pair but it's not connected. That could be for a couple of reasons (the Nook only connects on demand maybe.) But if what you are saying is correct, maybe it does support SPP since it uses a comm port for the GPS.
But, when I connected from my notebook and checked the services, SPP wasn't one of them (just OPEX and AD2P.) I will keep playing but I half expect that part of the SPP stack requirements are missing.
On the plus side, if the GPS will work too, that is a second plus since it's nice to be able to ask the GPS for the specific time and location during the telescope setup (it matters.)
I'll look for an app in the Market that might read an external GPS devices and show the location. I notice most apps are for reading the phone GPS (which we don't have.)
Thanks!

Android does not support SPP, but there are multiple apps in the market which do, Bluetooth GPS Provider is the one which I prefer as it works very well and just works no matter what.

Thanks folks,
I fired up the Garmin GPS 10 and it works using Bluetooth GPS. That means an application can add in the SPP. That is perfect and gives us hope!
I really appreciate the responses!

Awats said:
Thanks folks,
I fired up the Garmin GPS 10 and it works using Bluetooth GPS. That means an application can add in the SPP. That is perfect and gives us hope!
I really appreciate the responses!
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Yes, apps can directly talk with a Blutooth GPS. There are a handful which do this, or again, Bluetooth GPS Provider will provide the BT GPS to every app that asks for GPS.

This isn't only about GPS. GPS is just one aspect. I want to communicate with any serial device over BT. My understanding from reading it that rfcomm and the applications can supply that function.
What I did notice last night is that even without an application that supplies rfcomm, the Nook would still discover the devices unlike the iPad. I could pair to pretty much anything I wanted but it wouldn't connect. That's normal from my perspective.
At least I know it can be made to work.

khaytsus said:
Android does not support SPP...
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Well, the XOOM does at least. Not sure whether it was Motorola's or Google's doing though. I use a Bluetooth to Serial adapter from Roving Networks quite successfully with it. I'm unaware of any other devices that do it.

I agree that native Android doesn't support SPP but the rfcomm library does and if it's linked into the application, SPP works.
Now if I can only find a way to use VNC to control my PPC from the Nook without going through a remote server (maybe via adhoc or BT ...)

Any device at API level 5 (2.0) or above may support BluetoothSocket, RFCOMM and therefore SPP unless the OEM did something to screw it up.

Looking for some clarification/experience

Hello all,
I'm looking to purchase a Tablet to satisfy a couple of my needs and would like to find out if some of my ideas are possible.
I spend a fair amount of my time in and out of my car so I'm looking to use a Galaxy tab for Satnav, music, phone access and emails. I spotted a Samsung dock that looks promising the "EDD-D1B1BEGSTD" (cannot link as a new user)
It charges it and has audio out which is perfect so I don't have to mess about with plugging in different cables everytime im in and out of the car just drop in and go with an aux in car stereo ready. My concern is it doesn't looks like it could take breaking/acceleration forces very well. Do any other docking stations have both charging and audio that are more car specific?
I don't want 2 contracts for 3G connection so can i confirm i can bluetooth my HTC desire to my tablet to access the internet?
As far as satnav goes, is it possible to have google maps offline?
Is it possible to bluetooth my HTC desire to the tablet to make and receive calls? As if the Tablet is plugged into my car stereo it would be a nice to have hands free calls. Would this be able to pull up my contacts from my phone too?
Out of interest would it be able to use a torrent manager and save directly to a network device/nasbox
Hope some people can answer my questions as im almost certain im going to make a purchase
Cheers
Alex

Any dock you purchase will struggle in the car as it is quite large in size - I see the tab as more of a co-pilot/navigator's unit which can be handheld or on a lap. I would recommend looking at reviews carefully and looking for any videos of the mount in action before purchasing. I do find the gps reception excellent and Google Navigation is fairly good though not quite TomTom quality.
For car audio, I'd recommend a bluetooth car stereo as this makes connection and playback much simpler.
Google Maps can be downloaded offline up to about 10-15 "squares" of information but this doesn't work for the Google navigation app. Google Navigation requires an internet connection to create a route and any wrong turns will also require the internet as a re-route is made. Probably best navigation is Sygic which is free to try for a month and then is about €20 to keep the maps and it works all offline.
There are a few apps that link the phone and tablet for messaging but not sure about calls if your car would be connected to tablet then the phone couldn't connect to car stereo if a call comes in I think.
There are loads of apps for getting nzbs/torrents and sending them to your NAS remotely, e.g. Synodroid is the one I use for Synology NAS.

So I'm really after an in car mount with just the one connector... But has audio out and charging... any ideas?
If I'm bluetoothing my HTC Desire to the tablet my understanding is I then cannot pair with a car stereo so would rather the in car month had audio out.

If your Desire has a 3g connection, you can create a wifi hotspot for the Tab... that way you can use Google maps for navigation on the tab (I've tried it with my Tab + Arc, works great!) Ofcourse, it does use quite a bit of data.. so unless you have around 2gb a month this would not be a viable option
Also if your car has bluetooth you can pair it with the phone/tablet to get audio over bluetooth ( no cables required)

I use my Tab for navigation. Google cached maps are useless without a wireless connection if you go off route. You need something like CoPilot (what I use) or Sygic which stores all map data locally on the device. There's no "official" car dock so you'll have to use the single port and a car charger to keep it charged. You can either use the audio out port to connect physically to the car's audio via a 3.5mm jack or some type of BT adapter connected to the car's audio to connect wirelessly.
http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-F8Z492-P-Bluetooth-Music-Receiver/dp/B0047T79VS

The idea of the docking situation is to make it as simple/lazy as possible. I find if I've got to mess about before a journey i just wont use the tech so wont buy it.
Ideal situation is, I walk up to my car with the tablet in bag and desire in my pocket. I step inside the car, drop the tablet in the docking station (no messing about with cables or adjusting cradles) turn tablet bluetooth on via widget on desktop and have everything ready to go. Data connection + phone ready to use when I want it and music/handfree kit through the car speakers via the aux in connection on the docking station.
The idea behind using bluetooth for Data is I could leave bluetooth on my Desire 24/7 (I already do) leave the phone in my pocket (not setup my phone for tethering each journey) push one button on my tablet and I'm ready to go. This could hopefully keep my data plan down to a minimal usage.
I know it sounds petty but in real life I want to get in and go.
Do people kind of understand what I mean? Or am i being too lazy/picky

cr33ch said:
Or am i being too lazy/picky
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^^^^^
This.
At least as far as tablets go. You could probably fabricate something yourself using the Tab media dock and a third party mount yourself, but nothing like what you're looking for currently exists.

I don't think I'm asking too much and I'll still prob go ahead with one but it would be nice to have all the features...
I'm kinda going on this video (though its not in english) that you can tether your data via Bluetooth w.youtube.com/watch?v=5hglunqoZLo&feature=related (I can't post videos as a new user)
But I don't know if the phone's calls\sms\contacts can be tethered to the tablet. Plus it will need to do all the above while sending data...
Navigation im not too bothered about, ill prob just either use data like I've been doing with my Desire or download tomtom
Then all I need to find is either a docking station that's more car friendly with same functions or modify the samsung one some how to make it more secure

cr33ch said:
Hello all,
I'm looking to purchase a Tablet to satisfy a couple of my needs and would like to find out if some of my ideas are possible.
I spend a fair amount of my time in and out of my car so I'm looking to use a Galaxy tab for Satnav, music, phone access and emails. I spotted a Samsung dock that looks promising the "EDD-D1B1BEGSTD" (cannot link as a new user)
It charges it and has audio out which is perfect so I don't have to mess about with plugging in different cables everytime im in and out of the car just drop in and go with an aux in car stereo ready. My concern is it doesn't looks like it could take breaking/acceleration forces very well. Do any other docking stations have both charging and audio that are more car specific?
I don't want 2 contracts for 3G connection so can i confirm i can bluetooth my HTC desire to my tablet to access the internet?
As far as satnav goes, is it possible to have google maps offline?
Is it possible to bluetooth my HTC desire to the tablet to make and receive calls? As if the Tablet is plugged into my car stereo it would be a nice to have hands free calls. Would this be able to pull up my contacts from my phone too?
Out of interest would it be able to use a torrent manager and save directly to a network device/nasbox
Hope some people can answer my questions as im almost certain im going to make a purchase
Cheers
Alex
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Google maps WILL cache for offline navigation, BUT you have to enable it in the Labs options, and predefine each area you want pre-cached making it pretty worthless. Your best option is to get wireless tethering working on your phone so you have a live internet connection on your tablet.

Docking your tab in the car will be a DIY project. I am sure it can be done but I have not run across any car docks that would work with this device. Charging can be tricky as well. The Tab requires 2 amps in its stock configuration. Very few car chargers put out that power. There are some rooted options that you can learn about.
As far as navigation goes, your best bet is a nav app such as Copilot. I have this app and find that it is as good or better than a stand alone GPS and the cost is very reasonable. My version does not offer voice control but there may be something newer out there that does.
The Tab can be tethered to a phone, (after rooting), but I have no experience with this so I cannot provide any advice. If it were me, I would use the phone for the stuff it does best and the Tab for what it does best. Phones are great for making and receiving calls as well as sending music to your car stereo. With a bit of effort you can do those things with the Tab but why reinvent the wheel. The Tab is best for things that require a larger screen. In the car, that would be Internet, assuming you have 3G access or are tethered along with navigation. The two devices compliment each other but IMO, cannot totally replace the other.
Hopefully this helps.
Bob

I'm fairly confident I can achieve what I'm looking for with a little modification. My Desire is already rooted with MIUI ill prob end up rooting the tab shortly after I purchase one too.
I think its just going to be a case of getting one and playing with it...
Just to confirm theres nothing really between the samsung and the Motorola xoom from a rooting/modification point of view?

No, no difference as far as rooting afaik.
I'd be interested into how you get on with your tinkering
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Well ive done it, ive put an order in for one with a Samsung docking station. Once it arrives ill report back with what i can and can't do

Smartwatch full android for sports, suggestions?

Im searchig for a watch basically for running without phone in my pocket. I need really good gps accuracy, bluetooth connection to earphone without lost and capable to run spotify and any sports app like endomondo or strava for example. I will use it with my sim card to get data connection on it while i run, and to get a possibility to make calls in case of injury or emergency. What do you think? Any recomendation? For sure anybody have got one that use on this way (or i hope so). Cheers

Kingwear GV68, it is waterproof, and good for sports.

SClare said:
Kingwear GV68, it is waterproof, and good for sports.
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Thanks for your suggestion but its not what a looking for. It doesnt have good GPS (directly doesnt have GPS function), doesnt have SIM socket and neither have capability to download and install app from playstore. Its simply a sport bracelet. I dont need that. Thanks again.