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X1 WM6.5 / 7 Update

Hi Guys
New to this and have to say what a forum but can anyone answer this little pain in the **** Q. Will we be able to update to wm6.5 or 7 as its making me think twice about getting my X1 when O2 finaly re stock. The last thing I need i a 18mth contract on a out of date phone........
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Stu

6.5 might but SE is known for not releasing updated OS's for their phones. You can probably get it with a cooked ROM. 7 will be a no-no, as it will mostly require an accelerometer in the phone.

I doubt you'll be able to upgrade to 7 if it needs multitouch screen, but can't see why 6.5 would be a problem unless that also needs it..
18months, wm7 might be released by then, but is it really likely?

looks like IE6 is a no go so I am realy starting to wonder if we will see a 6.5 update would i be better off with a HTC touch HD?

sonystu said:
looks like IE6 is a no go so I am realy starting to wonder if we will see a 6.5 update would i be better off with a HTC touch HD?
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Why is it?
theres an early build of IE6 out there, it needs to be cooked into a rom.
A couple of other older devices already have roms released with IE6 in them, the HD and the xperia have pretty much the same internals.

Looking to upgrade to Internet Explorer 6 Mobile (also known as Pocket Internet Explorer 6 or PIE 6) for Windows Mobile? Well, get a new handset! Microsoft is taking a stance that the new browser will require more advanced hardware according to Pocket PC Thoughts.
"Regarding making IE Mobile available as a separate download or update, the rich media experiences that IE Mobile 6 enables require more powerful, advanced devices. That is why it will not be available as an upgrade or direct download for current phones, but rather will be made available on new phones."
So there you have it. No separate installer, no IE 6 Mobile cab installer, and no "updates" pushed out through HTC, AT&T, Verizon, or whatever carrier you have. Microsoft and its partners want you to purchase new phones to support these new "rich media experiences" promised by the new browser.
Looks like some ROM cooking is going to be needed.........

sonystu said:
Looking to upgrade to Internet Explorer 6 Mobile (also known as Pocket Internet Explorer 6 or PIE 6) for Windows Mobile? Well, get a new handset! Microsoft is taking a stance that the new browser will require more advanced hardware according to Pocket PC Thoughts.
"Regarding making IE Mobile available as a separate download or update, the rich media experiences that IE Mobile 6 enables require more powerful, advanced devices. That is why it will not be available as an upgrade or direct download for current phones, but rather will be made available on new phones."
So there you have it. No separate installer, no IE 6 Mobile cab installer, and no "updates" pushed out through HTC, AT&T, Verizon, or whatever carrier you have. Microsoft and its partners want you to purchase new phones to support these new "rich media experiences" promised by the new browser.
Looks like some ROM cooking is going to be needed.........
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nothing new there, doesn't mean you need a new phone, just the usual MS drivel...
Michyprima has it working on the Athena, which is nearly 2 years old, so I can't see it being a problem on the X1 which is a lot more powerful.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411371
here's the discussion thread, there's some cabs linked
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=444882
Of course fennec will be out in (beta at least) soon, and if it works as well as it's fullblown sibling IE6 will become increasingly irrelevant.

Can some one help me out with understanding windows 7 mobile please?
how can it be multitouch?
i thought that apple had a patent that said they have the rights to a multi touch devices?
or is that just for a limited ammount of time?
why shouldnt the x1 be capable of multitouch too?

I think the real one to worry about is 6.5 as 7 looks like 2010 from what i can make out 7 needs a G sensor and the x1 has not got one.... I am starting to think this phone is out dated as it should have come out in feb...... As for the iphone well i dont think they have any rights to a screen.

An HP tablet with multi-touch was announced the other day so I don't think Apple have exclusive rights to it...

wm7 will come in many diffrent versions.
Ppl are claiming stuff in this thread that has no root in reality.
Here is a nice rule for daily use:
"Stop commenting about what you dont know"
cheers

I got my info from Pocket PC so dont take it as the hole truth but really the only question i have is will we see the 6.5 update as lets face it come wm7 sony will be on the x8 or 9 i work for a sony dealer in the uk and we still dont know......

sonystu said:
I got my info from Pocket PC so dont take it as the hole truth but really the only question i have is will we see the 6.5 update as lets face it come wm7 sony will be on the x8 or 9 i work for a sony dealer in the uk and we still dont know......
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what sony do or dont, or htc for all that matters..dont really bother me.
But wm6.5 and 7 will come for different devices with different specs. And when it comes to porting over...duh...Its always said that it cant be done...
cheers

as great devices with wm7 gets out wm8 will haunt in the mists making people think if it's a good idear to buy those wm7 devices or if they should wait for the wm8 ones

Rudegar said:
as great devices with wm7 gets out wm8 will haunt in the mists making people think if it's a good idear to buy those wm7 devices or if they should wait for the wm8 ones
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lol, thats true. Thats how it always will be

Is there any reason to believe WM7 would actually improve on what the X1 is already running anyway?
Granted WM6 was a HUGE improvement over WM5 on my Wizard. But you cannot assume that the improvements will always be that noticable.

ok i think we all have some good points and yep lets face it you have got to jump in some time. Really i think the guys are going to stick with this and when need will get a wm6.5 rom up and running. So on that note its back to the O2 web site hitting refresh all day every day until its back in stock!! Anything has got to be better than my old N95 as i have had it from day 1...........

Alex Atkin UK said:
Is there any reason to believe WM7 would actually improve on what the X1 is already running anyway?
Granted WM6 was a HUGE improvement over WM5 on my Wizard. But you cannot assume that the improvements will always be that noticable.
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Tons of reason..****, even 6.5 promises to be a massive improvement. WM6 was built for PDAs using a stylus. 6.5 is likely going to be a completely revamped UI along with bug fixes and likely better memory management which is another thing that is a problem with WM6. Basically 6.5 will see vast improvement for touch screen using fingers and there should no longer be a need for a stylus. WM7 will be beyond this and offer new ways to control your device. Multiple input support not only using an accelerometer, but potentially built in cameras etc. WM7 is poised to be a major advancement in the way you interact with your hand held device.

mlinz said:
Tons of reason..****, even 6.5 promises to be a massive improvement. WM6 was built for PDAs using a stylus. 6.5 is likely going to be a completely revamped UI along with bug fixes and likely better memory management which is another thing that is a problem with WM6. Basically 6.5 will see vast improvement for touch screen using fingers and there should no longer be a need for a stylus. WM7 will be beyond this and offer new ways to control your device. Multiple input support not only using an accelerometer, but potentially built in cameras etc. WM7 is poised to be a major advancement in the way you interact with your hand held device.
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Source? or speculation

Now that 6.5 is out of beta and officially released, i wonder how long it takes before a non beta cooked 6.5 version comes out.... really hoping for that one hehe

WM7 on Xperia?

hi
will it be possible to run WM7 on the Xperia or will the Xperia not Support it?
thanks ^^

Gille1 said:
hi
will it be possible to run WM7 on the Xperia or will the Xperia not Support it?
thanks ^^
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First wait and see if it will get 6.5!!!

So far all that's know about WM7 is that it's planned for sometime next year. Whether it will be compatible with the current hardware, or whether MS continues WM after being crushed to pieces from the combined forces of Android, Symbian, MacOS/iPhone, BlackBerry, webOS, ALP, ... - nobody knows...
(Unless maybe Nostradamus, but I don't know that either... )

it will work..we just need to work on it
btw 6.5 is up in rom section
cheers

6.5 is beta not the actual one, have to wait and see at MWC09

so when WM6.5 is released...we ll be able to have it on our current Xperia x1 or do we need to buy a new piece?

The more interesting question is whether there'll be an official and legal update.
If there's an update for a technically similar device, like the Touch HD or maybe even Diamond2, there'll very likely be a cooked ROM for the X1.
But first of all, Microsoft has to release 6.5...

It will still take some time for MS to release WM7. My guess is - not before summer 2010. And devices shipping WM7 maybe christmas 2010.
Until then, WM 6.5 will have to do. However, if the performance will not increase, I will stick with WM 6.1. The speed of all WM 6.5 betas is imo just awfully slow and I have my doubts that this will change with the final version. Even the work-in-progress models with an obviously newer OS version - Touch Pro 2 and Diamond 2 seen on YouTube - are not as fast as current WM 6.1 phones.
So lets wait and see. My guess is, that I will switch to another phone when WM 7 is available.

I think I will change another phone when WM 7 is available....
Maybe thant time,there will be a phone w/ 2GHz cpu

The thing is that X1 is not capable for some features designed for WM7.
The most noticably: the gestures - X1 does not have any accelerometers.
My best bet is to get another phone at then

The thing is that X1 is not capable for some features designed for WM7.
The most noticably: the gestures - X1 does not have any accelerometers.
My best bet is to get another phone at then
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Gestures will supposedly work by way of built-in camera. Accelerometers are not required. At least, this is what the WM7 info leak stated.

So now that HTC have told HD owner to go **** themslves (with regard to WM 6.5)

... do you, the devs of xda developers think it is feisable to run a WM 6.5 ROM at optimum performance on a Touch HD? Okay so we dont have the dedicated Windows Key, but surely we have the spec to run things such as the honeycomb

why ? Where told HTC to not suppport HTC Touch HD any further ?
hans

Did they? how silly of them.

dontworry key mapping is trivial

So, any links to back up that HTC won't release a updated rom?

link #1 - MS statement
"no devices in the market today will receive official 6.5 updates"
link #2 - HTC statement
"customers of the Touch Pro2 and Touch Diamond2 will get 6.5 upgrades for free"
So forget about official upgrade for out Blackstone..

So that means no WM6.5 with right updates for us huh?

No. To be honest, why should they? It's a major upgrade, and would cost HTC money to implement.
Bug fixes we are entitled to, not a new OS.

sorry to say
this has always been the same with WM.....
GET USED TO IT

Well I can't say that I'm particulary bothered about missing out on a free official upgrade to 6.5. From what I've seen so far Microsoft have just done what we've all be doing for some time now, that is making the OS more 'finger friendly'. I'm quite content with my HD now after installing some apps and tweaks to achieve this. Most from the pages of this wonderful forum.
And as for the honeycomb style today page.....they can keep it. Ugly!

To be honest why bother with 6.5 !!! Like all recent upgrades from MS it is just eye candy and nothing more...... Nothing radical or new just a knock off of the eye phone... The HTC Touch screen is more novel than MS....... Be nice if they innovated.....

Im not so bothered on the today section its the better finger menus i think will be good.

I think WM 6.5 looks great and IS A MUST for the Touch HD.
I also think it is absolutely customer ... off giving not wm 6.5 as a update - its ok to take money for it.
As you XDAlers always complain about apple - look at them - they improve the OS every 3 month and give new features and bug fiexes.
We with our nice HTC gadgets don-t get updates or new features.
I have my htc touch hd and love it, but the software is a hell of sloe any you can write as much as you want - WinMo 6.1 ist fuc... slow.
Take the G1 and see what the hardware is capable

69reichertm said:
complain about apple - look at them - they improve the OS every 3 month and give new features and bug fiexes.
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They have to. OS X Mobile does not have proper Bluetooth support, multitasking support, MMS support, copy&paste support, etc., so most advanced user are really angry.
Windows Mobile, on the other hand, is mature OS. There is not much reason to upgrade from Win Mobile 6.1 to 6.5.

I've already talked with the manager of the distributor (father of a friend) here in my country before I bought the phone. They really said that they will not give updates to get the 6.5. but if xda-devs can make a rom out of it, it still wont be official. Hopefully MS solves the auto answer call when taking out the phone, i hate using s2u2 cuz there are sometimes delay and wastes a couple of rings (caller side)

Come on guys. 6.5 ? Honeycomb interface and that is about it, right ? Who cares since most of advanced users use 3rd-party UI anyway. It has FingerMenu version too and IE 6, but they are already here on HD
And since Diamond2/Pro2 will have 6.5 - HD will have it too. May be not officially, but ...
Listen ... I had HTC Wizard with WM5, which had never been officially upgraded. Did not stop me from have it with WM6.1 Pretty sure even Wizard will have 6.5, why not HD ? Dont worry about it.

is the ui all that 6.5 will bring? no additional backend features/settings?

Till yesterday i wanted WM6.5 in HD badly... actually, i still want it.
But now what i really really really want is the new TF3D

Jesus. Are only novice users writing here You want WinMo 6.5 Head over to the ROM section of THIS forum and you will get at least 2 WinMo 6.5 ROM's TODAY They are with early BETA versions of the OS, so you can see things others will MAYBE see in 7-8 months. That's the really cool thing about HTC devices. You always get the good stuff first
On the other hand...HTC actually offers WinMo ugrades for premium phones. Many WinMo 5 phones (including my old Artemis) got an official WinMo 6 upgrade and my Polaris recieved WinMo 6.1 as did the Kaiser, HTC Touch etc.
So stop complaining. The VERY first WimMo 6.5 ALPHA leaked for the...Blue Angel. For those not knowing this great device: The Blue Angel is shipped originaly with WinMo 2003 (not even SE) and is 5 years old.

Here see a Video people demonstrating WM 6.5
http://video.golem.de/handy/1860/windows-mobile-6.5-mobile-world-congress-2009.html
Its not so well performing, as I hoped, maybe it'll get better.

POLL: Do you think the XPERIA will get updated to WINDOWS MOBILE 6.5?

I sure hope they do!
I really wanna use the marketplace!

I don't think so but I would really like it!
anyways, as long as Diamond 2 & Touch PRO 2 get updated (and they will), we will have a nice custom rom for us

2 words for the people that 'think SE will'.....
.....DREAM ON !

I think they will. Plus there are the custom roms if all else fails.

I think they will, because they allready have provided us with 1 update and there is another one in the making.
So they are trying to make an effort.
And either way, we will have a rom with 6.5. Heck, we allready have

They don't. Its like win on PC - if U buy win98 U can't upgarde to winME for free. Licences problem. But dont worry - we find WM 6.5 for xperia on this forum

They will
Microsoft offers the update for free and it´s up to SE if they want to give it away!

In a chat with Microsofts nordic Business Area Manager Peter Wissinger he gave us this answer:
Jan Johannesson: Hej, Kan jag uppgradera min Xperia X! till Mobile 6,5. mvh Jan Johannesson
Peter Wissinger: Nej - Sony Ericsson har inte aviserat att X1 skall få en uppgradering. Tycker dock att den är grymt bra som den är.
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Translated below.
Jan Johannesson: Hello, Can I upgrade my Xperia X! to Mobile 6.5. Best regards Jan Johannesson
Peter Wissinger: No - Sony Ericsson have not announced that X1 shall get an upgrade. Do, however, think that it is bloody good as it is.
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What about WinMo7 on Xperia?
I saw this post on Engadget.Com
I think lots of XDA-dev.com visitors know this site.
On Engadget they've spotted a video about Microsoft with (probably) Windows Mobile 7.
On that video, I saw a man (walking down the street) with Xperia X1 on it
Although this is just a video ... but it would be cool to have WinMo7 on Xperia
Just look for yourself
Videos:
Engadget.com
Microsoft Spot

Reckon ur missing an option for voting: an option for "I hope SE produces an upgrade!"
Seriously though, i see two camps here. There are XDA members who say "nope, no upgrade" (cause of X2, too costly etc), and those that say "deffo upgrade" (cause of R3A, OS from MS is free, etc).
Who knows, but i sure hope they do. Otherwise our awesome chefs will have one ported from who knows where in little more than a few hours.
Makes you think doesn't it.. it can't be that hard to make a rom now can it?? (excluding testing of course - but there's an idea.. maybe Sony Ericsson can release an alpha version to XDA - with all the users on the forum we can have it bullet proof tested within days!)

Not a chance.
1. It's pointless to update an outdated product with new system if SE can't make profit out of this action.
2. Since HTC is the ODMer, SE have to pay HTC again for making the new ROM
3. WM6.5 and WM7 require some special hardware design which X1 doesn't have. And M$ even require new WM logo on specfic place of all new WM6.5 hardware
4. SE have to pay twice the lisencing fee to M$.
5. Not good to SE's new phones (not only WM X2, but also other high-end ones)

I think they will, because Sony Ericsson want the Xperia to be their high class series. And they won't be able to compete against other brands, if they don't give their users updates and good service.

I dont think we will get 6.5.
Cos in this economy sitsuation SE probly will effort more to selling new phones, and especially to new Idou.
Since Xperia aint 100% SE phone like upcoming Idou will.

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Not a chance.
1. It's pointless to update an outdated product with new system if SE can't make profit out of this action.
2. Since HTC is the ODMer, SE have to pay HTC again for making the new ROM
3. WM6.5 and WM7 require some special hardware design which X1 doesn't have. And M$ even require new WM logo on specfic place of all new WM6.5 hardware
4. SE have to pay twice the lisencing fee to M$.
5. Not good to SE's new phones (not only WM X2, but also other high-end ones)
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SE have made plenty profit with the high price that we paid. Also, MS have dropped the requirement for the WM Logo (check engadgetmobile / pocketnow / wmpoweruser).
You might be right on the ODM aspect. HTC have been..painful (ref: Kaiser issues).
On your last point hopefully SE's new phones have more than just a ROM update to get people to buy them. Besides - a company that has goodwill for supporting their phones will have 10 points in my book over a company that doesn't. No names mentioned.

As HTC have no plans for either the Pro or Diamond (v1) to have 6.5 (same age as the X1) and based on past performance from SE I really don't expect 6.5 from Sony Ericsson directly.

artesea said:
As HTC have no plans for either the Pro or Diamond (v1) to have 6.5 (same age as the X1) and based on past performance from SE I really don't expect 6.5 from Sony Ericsson directly.
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i am sorry but since when the X1i is the same age as the Pro and the Diamond???
The latter two are a lot older phones and their specs are much lower too compared to the X1i. If i remember correctly MS specifically mentioned the required specs to run 6.5 and neither the Pro or the Diamond fit within those specs but the X1 does

No, it won't, not officially anyway.
It'll get it inofficially, with custom ROMs.

mkouk said:
i am sorry but since when the X1i is the same age as the Pro and the Diamond???
The latter two are a lot older phones and their specs are much lower too compared to the X1i. If i remember correctly MS specifically mentioned the required specs to run 6.5 and neither the Pro or the Diamond fit within those specs but the X1 does
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Then you weren't around when I was having to make the choice between getting the X1 or the Pro. At most a month between them, and that's because the X1 was late.

the x1 is the same age as the htc hd and thats not getting a upgrade.
its not going to happen.
1 - sony will argue that it was made for 6.1 and there is no reason to upgrade.
2 - sony want to sell there new phone
3 - the cost would be too high to make a new 6.5 rom for a 6.1 device (the r3 is just improving on what is already there, thay have already overcome most of the problems in the x1 rom and not going to start again with a 6.5 rom)

I think artesea is right! Going by SE's past they wont release anything!
I remember seeing you on my-symbian around with that whole p990 fiasco. I had a m600.
But I dont worry about that official crap anyway This poll should've been on the official SE page but not on xda-developers...where the url is already the answer to the question!
Long live xda-developers

WinMo 6.5 on Xperia is very possible! According to April 10th article

"...Robbie Bach, president of Microsoft's Entertainment and Devices Division, stated last week at the CTIA Wireless 2009 trade show, “We expect all the major operators to continue to support Windows phones going forward. In fact, by this fall, when Windows Mobile 6.5 releases, we'll have over 10 phones available in the U.S. alone, and you'll see that number continue to grow.”
Said line of Windows Mobile 6.5-supporting devices will include the HTC Touch Pro 2 and Touch Diamond 2, two handsets that have been announced since the MWC show in February, and there will also be the Elektrobit Satellite phone, which should come with the OS. In addition, a wide range of existing Windows Mobile 6.1 devices are also slated for upgrade to the upcoming platform, and among them we can count the HTC Touch Pro, the AT&T Fuze, and the HTC Touch Diamond.
For what it's worth, there will indeed be three new mobile phones released with the Windows Mobile 6.5 platform on them, yet it is uncertain whether more such phones will come out later this year, or the “ten phones” Robbie Bach mentioned also include the upgradeable ones. There are some companies that announced their support for Windows Mobile this year, such as HP or LG, but no details on upcoming devices from them made it into the wild yet..."
Full version here:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-Mobile-6-5-Comes-on-Ten-Phones-in-2009-109155.shtml
My Opinion:
As we know Sony Ericsson was very dedicated to make X1 as a very high-end phone to compete with iPhone, Blackberry, and G1. And were trying to get the latest and best windows mobile software for Xperia as WinMo 6.5 was already in plans during development of X1 (rumors all around about this on web). But 6.5 was yet not ready by X1's release so they went with customized 6.1 instead. Now Windows Mobile will be coming out at end of 2nd or 3rd quarter of 2009 and matter of 6.5 on Xperia just depends on how much Sony Ericsson is dedicated to X1 and its "maintenance" phase (known as most expensive for companies) especially when last month Sony Ericsson were running into financial issues and almost considering a split between Sony and Ericsson. But the good news are 1st X1 is still SE's most recent high-end device, 2nd the new R3A software is still to come and since beginning of this month SE enters back the Korean market with new set of devices and one of them is specially customized Xperia X1 for Korea, so X1 will still be a freshly device there when Windows Mobile 6.5 comes out. So we'll see, who knows what to expect from Sony Ericsson at this point.

Well for most of XDA forum readers, it doesn't realy matter. I am using WM 6.5 Beta right now, wnd when the final version comes to ANY device on the planet you can be sure aswell, that it will be ported
Hell you can have WM 6.5 on 3 years old Tytn 2...

wow awesome - rly hope they do now ! since it was planned for win 6.5 in the first place!

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Well for most of XDA forum readers, it doesn't realy matter. I am using WM 6.5 Beta right now, wnd when the final version comes to ANY device on the planet you can be sure aswell, that it will be ported
Hell you can have WM 6.5 on 3 years old Tytn 2...
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Nice! But at the same time I'd love to have it officially. Reliable and supported by the company.

doministry said:
Nice! But at the same time I'd love to have it officially. Reliable and supported by the company.
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Yeah, I would also love an official 6.5 rom instead of a custom Rom.
I don't say the custom roms are bad, far from it :-D
But i prefer official stuff frpm the company too..
So R4A would be 6.5 update?
Anyway, nice to hear this news

I am currently on Itje's 6.5 ROM and it works great but i would also prefer an official release and support from Sony Ericsson for Windows Mobile 6.5.

its gona cost sony a fortune to upgrade to 6.5 on xperia,**** loads of licensing deals and tons of money wasting
whats going hapen is that we are going to get a very good custom 6.5,and sony will launch x2 with 6.5 or something, no way in hell they are going to give us free 6.5 upgrade,but thats what i think,lets hope for some good news

It depends...
jibran said:
its gona cost sony a fortune to upgrade to 6.5 on xperia,**** loads of licensing deals and tons of money wasting
whats going hapen is that we are going to get a very good custom 6.5,and sony will launch x2 with 6.5 or something, no way in hell they are going to give us free 6.5 upgrade,but thats what i think,lets hope for some good news
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I would have agreed with you as your theory is very valid, but don't you remember that during the X1's development Sony Ericsson there was a multiple information leak about Xperia having WM 6.5 but wasn't developed fast enough for X1's release, so my suspicion is that SE could have already purchased Windows Mobile 6.5 software for X1's back then, but no one knows as there is not enough information. I mean, after all were are definitely gonna get a ported WM 6.5 no matter what, but hey! I wouldn't mind an official build 6.5 straight from Sony Ericsson

It would be nice to have wm6.5 but i would prefer wm7. My X1 would be in trash in after 1 or 2 years anyway.

htainlin said:
It would be nice to have wm6.5 but i would prefer wm7. My X1 would be in trash in after 1 or 2 years anyway.
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Good Point...

WinMo 6.5 on Xperia is very possible ???
I disagree:
WinMo 6.5 on Xperia is NOT "very possible": is a REALITY
Go to the ROM development subforum and check for your self
Keep checking every day and be preapred for even more big surprises soon
This is xda-devs

Can you specify what excatly u meant? tnx
gtrab said:
I disagree:
WinMo 6.5 on Xperia is NOT "very possible": is a REALITY
Go to the ROM development subforum and check for your self
Keep checking every day and be preapred for even more big surprises soon
This is xda-devs
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I just want to clear whether information you referred to was about upcoming "cooked WM 6.5 that is ported to X1 from HTC's" or you really meant the official release from Sony Ericsson?

The 2005 PDA only device ran Windows Mobile 5 but it has been upgraded to 6.1. So that shows alotta things is possible.