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Am thinking of trading my Universal for someone's Wizard. Was wondering what you guys think of that.
Thoughts?
Offers?
Thanks!
Cyb
Do it and dont look back.
Main reason? EDGE compatibility. Especially as your in the US.
Only thing the Uni has that I want over and above the Wizard is VGA. But I can live with the tiny QVGA screen on the Wizard. The VGA screen is the main reason the Uni is so sluggish anyway, as it uses the processor as its video controller instead of a seperate VGA chip.
Cya
Stot
I suggest you check the Pocket PC forum on HowardForums.com first. Quite a few people are extremely unhappy with their Wizards, while owners of Universals seem rather happy.
You are stupid...
change a ferrari into a bmw (normal version)
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You are stupid...
change a ferrari into a bmw (normal version)
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well I'm definately getting opinions! keep 'em coming...
Cyb
Ferarri - BMW.. Not entirely true.
The Universal on its face is a good device. But once you start using it it has its annoyances that can outweigh the VGA screen, the only great thing it has going for it. It has a faster CPU but its impacted by the fact that the CPU is drawing 4 times the screen real estate which slows it down a LOT.
Ram/Rom is the same
Both have a QWERTY K/B
Both have Bluetooth
Both have 1.3MP camera.
Also be aware that in the US there is no 3G WCDMA network, there is 3G EDGE rolling out tho, so the Wiz can go 3G out here.
Oh and the Wiz has Wifi b and g and will be upgradeable via rom to e and i too. Universal is b only.
IMO the Universal is a little too fragile also. Not sure about the Wiz as i havent got it yet but its on its way and I had a play with it. its seemed to be more sturdy.
So. Its more like comparing a Ferarri towing a caravan, looks great fairly slick and fast engine bogged down, to a Caterham 7. Looks great, bit smaller, less powerfull engine, fairly robust, No caravan.
Cya
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i had a Wizard for a couple of weeks. to be honest i loved it but i found the screen too small for easy reading of mail, spreadsheets, internet browsing etc. As a phone it is definitely preferable to the Universal BUT, from my humble point of view, the Universal is the best all rounder i've ever used - it's awesome. Also, once you've tweaked the Universal it's realy fast AND reliable and it does mean that for short journey's abroad i don't need to take my laptop. oh yeah, the Wizard uses mini SD which means you are limited to a 1GB storage card and if you like music, video etc that just ain't enough!
Mikey Mike
i had a Wizard for a couple of weeks. to be honest i loved it but i found the screen too small for easy reading of mail, spreadsheets, internet browsing etc. As a phone it is definitely preferable to the Universal BUT, from my humble point of view, the Universal is the best all rounder i've ever used - it's awesome. Also, once you've tweaked the Universal it's realy fast AND reliable and it does mean that for short journey's abroad i don't need to take my laptop. oh yeah, the Wizard uses mini SD which means you are limited to a 1GB storage card and if you like music, video etc that just ain't enough!
Mikey Mike
The Wizard has a keyboard.....all right.....BUT, it doesnt have a separate row for numbers (0-9). It shares it with the qwert... keys, and that's simply bad!
IMHO, i think this is a handicap, and is a bad limitation for a device which claims to have a native hw based keyboard...
S
ferrari and BMW?
Think not you are giving the wizard too much credit.
Main problems with the wizard: Too small, it is a stuck up mda compact.
The processor is downright slow.
You are living in the US so yeah, edge is the only option for the 3g network.
Still I think you should not just throw it away and get the wizard.
Furthermore if you do change it is a waste of your money, as the wizard is much cheaper then the universal.
Offcourse there are problems with the universal... what did you expect.
The universal uses vga, which is not supported yet. It uses wm5 too which is not highly compatible with known programs either.
I suggest you wait a while before you do something I am sure you will regret sooner or later.
Thanks!
I want to thank you guys for your responses... I have decided to keep my universal and just continue to use my Sierra Wireless VOQ as a back up when the Uni is TOO MUCH
Now... let's begin with a new ROM...
Thanks again...
Cyb
Im down with the trade!!
I would check your exec they are just as cheap. I dropped my orange variant and the case split open. I am unbiased as I have both and actually vga is supported nativly since wm 2003. So it is not a new thing manuafactures choose not to implement screens.
Wizard thogh a tad slower gets the job done, remeber the tortoise and the bunny. Besides have you actually looked at the benchmarks for the exec they are not that inspiring.
I guess I am British in that sense I am used to waiting, like British transport you will be waiting but it will get yo there though.
battery life
however the wizard is like a moped sipping vegetable oil compared with the universal like a mustang on premium gas when it comes to battery life...
So does the wizard run any faster than the wm5 blue angel? I dropped mine and the lcd cracked. It's useable, but i'm thinking of upgrading and i can only go as high as about 250$. So an ebay wizard is what i'm looking at i guess. Is there anything else i should be looking at in that range?
Also, i bought this sx66 thinking i would use it to take notes, browse the web, play games, etc. but the passive digitizer is terrible, and it's not powerfull enough to browse very well or to play games. I use it mainly for organizer, outlook, alarms, and music. The rest of the power i'm passing on to a 12inch tablet pc.
So is there maybe a better phone for me all around? (i don't know, maybe i just haven't fully explored wm5's capabilities)
Thanks in advance
One more thing, how durable the wizard? The sx66 feels like it's going to fall apart at any time. I played with a xv6700 and it felt like it could take a beating and some falls the way it was constructed.
The mda looks like the sx66 but the 8125 looks bulkier like the xv6700... how do you all feel about either one's ability to withstand abuse?
Speed is relative. The BA came with 2003SE and it was real fast when running that. When I put WM5 on it, however, it slowed to a crawl. I've heard that's improved but still, I'd have to say the wizard outperforms a BA overall, even with the slower processor.
As far as abuse, I don't think either could really take a whole lot. The wizard is definately holding up better than the BA did but I never dropped either device, nor real beat it up otherwise.
Personally, although I was kind of on the fence for the first couple weeks of owning the wizard, I'm definately glad I traded for a wizard. Your milage may vary.
I'd too go for the Wizard. It's not at all slow when you overclock it to 240 MHz and you can't beat the form factor / the keyboard when compared to the BA.
well.. my 8125 broke at the usb/charger port. Thinking about making a switch to the 8525 but haven't had any hands on with it. I am currently using NBD 8.3 and its basically made me fall in love with the phone. In short, if anyone has made the switch, give me some pro's/con's.
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well.. my 8125 broke at the usb/charger port. Thinking about making a switch to the 8525 but haven't had any hands on with it. I am currently using NBD 8.3 and its basically made me fall in love with the phone. In short, if anyone has made the switch, give me some pro's/con's.
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There are no roms that are just like NBD - there are some that have a lot of similarities and you can install most of the things that aren't. The only thing that you're going to probably miss is the 3D cube. The smart people here who work on these things haven't been able to port the Touch 3D cube over to this phone yet (Apparently you Wizard users got lucky as they used the same touch mechanism on the Wizard as the Touch making it easy to port it over). There is a semi-working implementation for this phone but it's unstable and to make the screens rotate you have to keep pushing a button instead of swiping with your finger - not nearly as cool. If you can live without the 3D cube - you can make a rom look and work very similarly to the NBD roms
thank you very much. my 2nd question, is speed of loading programs and web pages on the wi-fi. I am sure this noticeably faster?
Have you tried dismantling the 8125 and seeing if you can fix the broken USB port.
Since you're leaving it broken like this, there is no loss if you actually EXPLODE your phone while trying to fix it
And if you DO want to upgrade to a 8525 anyways, then you can resell your 8125 FUNCTIONAL (fixed).
Trust me, as a man who internalized a USB hub in his laptop, I know that USB ports are very simple.
cyndication said:
thank you very much. my 2nd question, is speed of loading programs and web pages on the wi-fi. I am sure this noticeably faster?
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I have only played with the Wizard very briefly when I unlocked and loaded NBD on the singer of my bands phone. I was surprised how snappy of a rom it was. My TyTN still feels quicker to me then hers (should be - the processor is 2x as fast) but she doesn't have any processor intensive apps on her phone (such as TomTom) like I do on mine so it's a little hard for me to get a feeling (calc seems about the same speed on both ;P) I like the keypad on my phone much better then hers - the layout seems more logical (though you may be used to yours and find it weird but she likes mine more too so you'll probably like it better). Also the 2mpx camera is a nice upgrade (assuming you have good lighting - the photos are still crap in dark lighting but are fairly decent in good sunlight/well lit rooms). I'm not sure about the websurfing - never tried that on hers but I'm don't feel like it's a long wait while using it on mine so it'll probably be fine for you.
I have both an 8125 and an 8525.
The 8525 is a lot better, except the 8125 feels a lot tougher. The 8125 feels like you could drop it a few times and it would still be OK (and I have), whereas I feel like I need to be careful with the 8525. If you're "always on the go" I'd probably stick with the 8125 -- the proven workhorse.
well i have soder gun, i could fix it. but after i take the 4 screws out, I am kinda unsure of whats next. i have tried to pull it apart, but i don't want to break it. looking at the 8525 i am not a fan so much, I am liking the htc tytn alot more.
8525 and Tytn pretty much the same, if you want cheap and cool looking u can try search for X01HT white. Or maybe just wait for 8925 (kaiser)
i have both also. personally i dont find any cons with the 8525. i had huge speed problems with my 8125. so to me it kicks the 8125's butt. i'd get a hermes if i were u. and sell the fixed wizard ebay.
So im looking to upgrade my phone soon. I currently use a Sidekick ID (Yes yes I know). Been a long time reader of the XDA forums so im looking for some expert advice from well, you guys(the experts). From my understanding the Tilt and Wing are pretty much the exact same phone with different carriers with the exception that the 8925(tilt) has double the ram speed and a faster cpu than the Herald(wing) as well as gps. Anyway the OBVIOUS choice is (Or at least I thought it was) the 8925(tilt). I proceeded to do some more research on the phone and soon discovered the Video Driver\No Hardware accelaration problem on those phones which was a huge turn off for me once I found out about it. As far as the Herald(wing) goes, it is obviously alot slower than the 8925(tilt) due to the slow cpu ,and freeing up memory is something that seems to be more of a tedious task that you have to do every so often. A friend of mine owns a Herald(wing) and he uses the OpenTouch Rom by Ttrans1 which is awesome and is definitely better/speedier than the stock rom. Anyway it seems to me that no matter which phone I get, I am taking a loss in some form or another. So I am here to ask you guys, would I be better off with a slow phone WITH proper video hardware acceleration (Herald/Wing) or a much faster Phone WITHOUT proper video hardware acceleration (Tilt/8925). Any advice,comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
P.S please do not tell me to go for the HD or the G1(that does not help me) or any other phone for that matter as I have to decide between these 2 phones within the next week for work . Thanks!
Anyone???? No need to be shy
i personally have the wing and i love it easy to use alot of great files and roms for it and great help for it also
Personally, I'd go with the tilt.
Yeah, you can get the wing running well, but you have to do a lot to it....and it still doesn't run THAT well, especially videos. You'll have to ask yourself, what will you do more with the phone? Internet, or video? I'm assuming since you have a sidekick id...it wouldn't be video.
I would also go with the Tilt. The Wing is outdated to today's standards where as the Tilt is still hanging in there. The Tilt has been by far the best PPC device i've used out of all 4 PPCs i've used. I've played with the Wing a bit and the Tilt beats it hands-down.
If you can wait a bit more, go for the Raphael that'll be coming to most US carriers
Tilt: GPS, More RAM and Space, still performs faster
Hello Guys.
I got a Hermes previously an 8525, and wow it had a lot of issues, like the keyboard not working and the white screen and things like that.
I was wondering if the mogul had some or a lot or did it improve a lot?
Thanks guys.
I have a mogul and i cant in good conscience sugar coat it. Mogul is a POS in my opinion. it runs WM6 far to slow with only 64mb of RAM for programs. find yourself something else. i wish i could recommend it, but no..
The Mogul is just as bad; too many bugs, too slow, not enough RAM, no video drivers. I owned one for less than 6 months and sold it.
Now I have an equally buggy Treo 800w, but at least it's fast, has video drivers, and has plenty of RAM.
Hey man,
Mogul has problems too like the government,economy......and all. However several of us, Mogul users, got it to work to our satisafaction. I for one have 3 email accounts working flawlessly with push,GPS, Spb software,Resco,Radios,tv's, Skype
,occasional router and the list is way too long. I do not have to have half a dozen programs running at once, maybe some music while surfing the net, email/gps/phone call or something like that
Mogul is serving me well. Now that I am able to get a free HTC Pro, I will try it out.
Wow. All this hate against the mogul. It is a solid phone once you find a good ROM and software combination. But, if you are buying new right now, I do agree that you should get something else. The mogul is the previous generation, so I would try the current gen. phones like the diamond or raphael, that is if it is within your budget.
Or you can hope that HTC changes their mind about the touch HD.
Also a pervious 8525 user here. Same memory management hassles and hokey keyboard on mogul. Like the others say, not many phones were more fun to tinker with at the time it came out but now that the Touch Pro (Raphael) is out I also can't recommend a new mogul.
Make sure keyboard works properly.
Oh ok, seems good, but a Diamond and Touch Pro are very expensive aren't they?
I wanted to get Omnia, but wow, too expensive too.
Not a plan user btw.
I think as soon as Rapahel drops price, I'll get it, love its color, but a bit too pricey.
DarkWolfx said:
Oh ok, seems good, but a Diamond and Touch Pro are very expensive aren't they?
I wanted to get Omnia, but wow, too expensive too.
Not a plan user btw.
I think as soon as Rapahel drops price, I'll get it, love its color, but a bit too pricey.
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Yea wait... anything with 64mb RAM = trash
Trash? A little too far with that....
Let me just remind you users of the titan that have had it a year and a half or more like I have, we are a little sore with it at this point. The mogul with DCD's new roms is very solid. We developement junkies are just pissed because we don't have an accelererometer and can't do anything with manila 3d. The fact of the matter is it is a great device, just a little out dated but with the pricing now its worth it I think. Built in wifi, full touch capabilities, customize it to whatever you want, mobile office, built in gps receiver, come on guys. Don't you remember how ecstatic you were when you first brought this bad boy home. If you have not had one yet now is the time to get one when there are stable roms for it, there existed no such thing when I purchased it. And just remember the majority of smart devices can't touch the mogul. I will say though I am one to buy the badest mofo out there now in an attempt to stay ahead as far as possible. Lastely, I signed up for new plan and paid $200 for my girl's titan a year ago and just sold it for the same so how can I be mad at that (she wanted a touch, go figure, said it was cuter). Just buy the titan to get you through another year then waste your benji's next year. I know devices such as touch pro and diamond are much more advanced that the titan but my budies diamond performs like ****, beautiful, but slow as ****. I am waiting for htc to change its mind on the touch hd. Now theres a device.
Yeah, I think I'll just grab it and get the advantage of 3G, until a good device comes down in price.
As these new devices, I don't think either they're definitely worth to get like at this moment.
Like Sweeney Russ says, touch pro hd, there's a device.
ya I'm a little bitter about the memory and apps closing left and right.. other than that it's a lovely device... I guess it would be fine if you stick with older apps and don't get too involved with current developments like m2d. Honestly, if this thing had an extra 64mb (the tilt) I would be very content with it.
dark - you're buying it new? new contract or an upgrade?
I very much enjoy my XV 6800. Yes, if you are a tinkerer who has to plop in every possible app being developed and push the limits of new capability, then by definition any phone that is a year or more older will not be to your liking.
But if you want a phone that can be quite stable if you stabilize your apps and stop tinkering every week, and one that can essentially be a mini-laptop away from home, I know of nothing better than the Titan.
The hard keyboard is awesome, and the touch screen works great.
I guess the best way to describe the Titan is that it does everything decently. It doesn't shine as the best in any one area, but you can do anything with it.
Does it have the best video graphics? No. But I watch ripped movies and youtube videos just fine thank you.
It plays plenty of games. I can do actual work on it using the hard keyboard and Office Mobile.
And if you unlock the GPS, it even gets that much better.
Devin
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The Mogul is just as bad; too many bugs, too slow, not enough RAM, no video drivers. I owned one for less than 6 months and sold it.
Now I have an equally buggy Treo 800w, but at least it's fast, has video drivers, and has plenty of RAM.
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Had the mogul too, now the 800w. I can honestly say I don't miss ANYTHING about the mogul other than the battery life. I lived with so much crap for so long.
-The keyboard is bad, and gets worse with time
-BT is TERRIBLE, range and volume wise, buggy too
-Hated the slider form factor, the slow screen re-draw made me want to throw the phone
-Memory, MS should not allow WM phones to be sold with 6.1 and 64 megs. There were so many times I wanted to use the camera but had to reboot to get enough memory.
I could go on, but I won't. The 800w isn't perfect either, but is sooo much better.
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First of all your using a treo as your defense. Second of all, what the hell are you talking about, you like the treo keyboard over the mogul keyboard? You must have tiny little fingers. I am running radio 3.37.20 and my bluetooth range is phenominal. I can be outside of the car and stay on it while my phone remains. And the audiopara cab actually makes the speaker so loud that it is embarrassing on the phone and my girlfriends little pink moto bt earpiece's speaker blew because the volume was too loud. And why so concerned with the memory? We all know the mogul should have had more, but the fact remains it runs everything I want it to and several apps at the same time. I don't know what you were running but the camera works outstandingly well and screen rotate function works instantly. IGO 8 and touchflo are the biggest memory hogs I have and they run seemlesly. The only explanation would be that you must have been running a stock rom. DCD 3.2.6 is as close to perfect as it gets. No freezing, no lagging, virtually no memory drain. Why are you in the titan forum anyway?
They dont even sell the mogul here anymore its all about the touch pro, which cost almost the same as the mogul did, around 550...get a diamond or a touch pro.
Also not true.....
I got a brand new mogul on ebay for $225, never opened.