Hello Guys.
I got a Hermes previously an 8525, and wow it had a lot of issues, like the keyboard not working and the white screen and things like that.
I was wondering if the mogul had some or a lot or did it improve a lot?
Thanks guys.
I have a mogul and i cant in good conscience sugar coat it. Mogul is a POS in my opinion. it runs WM6 far to slow with only 64mb of RAM for programs. find yourself something else. i wish i could recommend it, but no..
The Mogul is just as bad; too many bugs, too slow, not enough RAM, no video drivers. I owned one for less than 6 months and sold it.
Now I have an equally buggy Treo 800w, but at least it's fast, has video drivers, and has plenty of RAM.
Hey man,
Mogul has problems too like the government,economy......and all. However several of us, Mogul users, got it to work to our satisafaction. I for one have 3 email accounts working flawlessly with push,GPS, Spb software,Resco,Radios,tv's, Skype
,occasional router and the list is way too long. I do not have to have half a dozen programs running at once, maybe some music while surfing the net, email/gps/phone call or something like that
Mogul is serving me well. Now that I am able to get a free HTC Pro, I will try it out.
Wow. All this hate against the mogul. It is a solid phone once you find a good ROM and software combination. But, if you are buying new right now, I do agree that you should get something else. The mogul is the previous generation, so I would try the current gen. phones like the diamond or raphael, that is if it is within your budget.
Or you can hope that HTC changes their mind about the touch HD.
Also a pervious 8525 user here. Same memory management hassles and hokey keyboard on mogul. Like the others say, not many phones were more fun to tinker with at the time it came out but now that the Touch Pro (Raphael) is out I also can't recommend a new mogul.
Make sure keyboard works properly.
Oh ok, seems good, but a Diamond and Touch Pro are very expensive aren't they?
I wanted to get Omnia, but wow, too expensive too.
Not a plan user btw.
I think as soon as Rapahel drops price, I'll get it, love its color, but a bit too pricey.
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Oh ok, seems good, but a Diamond and Touch Pro are very expensive aren't they?
I wanted to get Omnia, but wow, too expensive too.
Not a plan user btw.
I think as soon as Rapahel drops price, I'll get it, love its color, but a bit too pricey.
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Yea wait... anything with 64mb RAM = trash
Trash? A little too far with that....
Let me just remind you users of the titan that have had it a year and a half or more like I have, we are a little sore with it at this point. The mogul with DCD's new roms is very solid. We developement junkies are just pissed because we don't have an accelererometer and can't do anything with manila 3d. The fact of the matter is it is a great device, just a little out dated but with the pricing now its worth it I think. Built in wifi, full touch capabilities, customize it to whatever you want, mobile office, built in gps receiver, come on guys. Don't you remember how ecstatic you were when you first brought this bad boy home. If you have not had one yet now is the time to get one when there are stable roms for it, there existed no such thing when I purchased it. And just remember the majority of smart devices can't touch the mogul. I will say though I am one to buy the badest mofo out there now in an attempt to stay ahead as far as possible. Lastely, I signed up for new plan and paid $200 for my girl's titan a year ago and just sold it for the same so how can I be mad at that (she wanted a touch, go figure, said it was cuter). Just buy the titan to get you through another year then waste your benji's next year. I know devices such as touch pro and diamond are much more advanced that the titan but my budies diamond performs like ****, beautiful, but slow as ****. I am waiting for htc to change its mind on the touch hd. Now theres a device.
Yeah, I think I'll just grab it and get the advantage of 3G, until a good device comes down in price.
As these new devices, I don't think either they're definitely worth to get like at this moment.
Like Sweeney Russ says, touch pro hd, there's a device.
ya I'm a little bitter about the memory and apps closing left and right.. other than that it's a lovely device... I guess it would be fine if you stick with older apps and don't get too involved with current developments like m2d. Honestly, if this thing had an extra 64mb (the tilt) I would be very content with it.
dark - you're buying it new? new contract or an upgrade?
I very much enjoy my XV 6800. Yes, if you are a tinkerer who has to plop in every possible app being developed and push the limits of new capability, then by definition any phone that is a year or more older will not be to your liking.
But if you want a phone that can be quite stable if you stabilize your apps and stop tinkering every week, and one that can essentially be a mini-laptop away from home, I know of nothing better than the Titan.
The hard keyboard is awesome, and the touch screen works great.
I guess the best way to describe the Titan is that it does everything decently. It doesn't shine as the best in any one area, but you can do anything with it.
Does it have the best video graphics? No. But I watch ripped movies and youtube videos just fine thank you.
It plays plenty of games. I can do actual work on it using the hard keyboard and Office Mobile.
And if you unlock the GPS, it even gets that much better.
Devin
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The Mogul is just as bad; too many bugs, too slow, not enough RAM, no video drivers. I owned one for less than 6 months and sold it.
Now I have an equally buggy Treo 800w, but at least it's fast, has video drivers, and has plenty of RAM.
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Had the mogul too, now the 800w. I can honestly say I don't miss ANYTHING about the mogul other than the battery life. I lived with so much crap for so long.
-The keyboard is bad, and gets worse with time
-BT is TERRIBLE, range and volume wise, buggy too
-Hated the slider form factor, the slow screen re-draw made me want to throw the phone
-Memory, MS should not allow WM phones to be sold with 6.1 and 64 megs. There were so many times I wanted to use the camera but had to reboot to get enough memory.
I could go on, but I won't. The 800w isn't perfect either, but is sooo much better.
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First of all your using a treo as your defense. Second of all, what the hell are you talking about, you like the treo keyboard over the mogul keyboard? You must have tiny little fingers. I am running radio 3.37.20 and my bluetooth range is phenominal. I can be outside of the car and stay on it while my phone remains. And the audiopara cab actually makes the speaker so loud that it is embarrassing on the phone and my girlfriends little pink moto bt earpiece's speaker blew because the volume was too loud. And why so concerned with the memory? We all know the mogul should have had more, but the fact remains it runs everything I want it to and several apps at the same time. I don't know what you were running but the camera works outstandingly well and screen rotate function works instantly. IGO 8 and touchflo are the biggest memory hogs I have and they run seemlesly. The only explanation would be that you must have been running a stock rom. DCD 3.2.6 is as close to perfect as it gets. No freezing, no lagging, virtually no memory drain. Why are you in the titan forum anyway?
They dont even sell the mogul here anymore its all about the touch pro, which cost almost the same as the mogul did, around 550...get a diamond or a touch pro.
Also not true.....
I got a brand new mogul on ebay for $225, never opened.
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Between BT issues, low ram, faulty ROM updates.... who is considering leaving the Titan and going for the Touch?
Of concern is the lack of a keyboard, I think how HTC implements the touch will be key. The iPhone makes it easier to type because of the screen size - 3.5 inches. The Touch, @ 2.8 inches is not any bigger than the Mogul. Doesn't make sense to me, if you take out the keyboard I would have increased the screen size...
Also no Wifi- but who needs Wifi with EV-DO speeds and Sprint data prices?
Personally I think the idea of no keyboard is fresh but I am cautious as I love to use IM+ to chat. I feel cheated by the fact that my Mogul I just bought a couple months ago has less than half the Ram the touch will have.
so...Whos thinking about it? and if you are what's your plan to ditch your mogul and buy the touch?
absolutely not!
No way. I am on the "inside" and have played with the touch for several weeks now and it is nice in size but impractical in many ways that i can't overcome. plus the battery life is ehh... so if you're thinking about it...think differently. On top of that HTC just released some software upgrades that help tons! go check em out
http://www.america.htc.com/support/mogul/software-downloads.html
I would never trade my Mogul for a Touch. The Touch doesn't have a full keyboard like the Mogul does. All the fancy stuff the Touch has is going to be on the Mogul eventually. Just sit back and relax for a bit.
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No way. I am on the "inside" and have played with the touch for several weeks now and it is nice in size but impractical in many ways that i can't overcome. plus the battery life is ehh... so if you're thinking about it...think differently. On top of that HTC just released some software upgrades that help tons! go check em out
http://www.america.htc.com/support/mogul/software-downloads.html
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Sprint Guy, you mean the "Upgrades" that freeze everyone's devices because of the faulty Radio code, and was incidentally pulled from the site a couple of days later?
That link now shows the 2.09 ROM again in case you didn't notice. 2.16 was up with the BT and battery fixes for no more than 2 days before people started calling and complaining that the "update" broke more things than they fixed!!
I'm losing faith in HTC's code and Sprint's development. If you're really on the "inside", I'd like to talk to you about the current state of Windows Mobile on Sprint...
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No way. I am on the "inside" and have played with the touch for several weeks now and it is nice in size but impractical in many ways that i can't overcome. plus the battery life is ehh... so if you're thinking about it...think differently. On top of that HTC just released some software upgrades that help tons! go check em out
http://www.america.htc.com/support/mogul/software-downloads.html
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I'm going to pass on bricking my device. I'm waiting for custom roms, I'm eyeing No2Chem's clean rom, it looks the most promising so far
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No way. I am on the "inside" and have played with the touch for several weeks now and it is nice in size but impractical in many ways that i can't overcome. plus the battery life is ehh... so if you're thinking about it...think differently. On top of that HTC just released some software upgrades that help tons! go check em out
http://www.america.htc.com/support/mogul/software-downloads.html
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On the "inside"? So you know about the touch with the keyboard, or the fact you can load the touch rom on the 6800...right?
i've been in talks with e-care as of late because this phone is starting to impact my ability to do my job. probably will be leaving winmo entirely for a 755p
Yup !! Can't wait to get the Touch.
128 RAM !!! Who-Hoo
I'm not a heavy text messager, so the keyboard is no biggy and everywhere I have Wifi I have EVDO and EVDO doesn't suck the battery down like WIfi does.
The unit is slimmer.
More memory.
I think will be better supported than Mogul ever was because of what they spent on advertizing. Supposedly they sold 800,000 of the GSM Touches. I doubt they sold 50,000 moguls (it's a Dud marketing wise) and the 64K is a total killer.
I don't care about the cute rotating cube, I just want a basic WM device that works.
My only concern with Touch is how rugged it is compared to mogul.
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I'm going to pass on bricking my device. I'm waiting for custom roms, I'm eyeing No2Chem's clean rom, it looks the most promising so far
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I'm going to use dcd's cleaner rom later on tonight and try it out.
Just loaded No2Chem Rom.
Runs much faster.
No problems so far.
Going to reinstall programs right now.
So far extremely happy.
I need a keyboard, so there is no way I am getting Touch.
REV A and GPS
Will the Sprint Touch have GPS (did the Touch have GPS like the Titan?) and update capability for REV A like the Mogul ??
This could be a life saving device for Sprint, so it seems that all of the revenue opportunity MUST be in the Sprint Touch release plan ??
I traded in my Mogul for the Touch yesterday. The screen flicker issue with the recent locking up when receiving calls was what really ticked me off. As for the touch it's slim and sexy and actually feels more rugged than the mogul. I think it's becuase of the softtouch skin on the device. At least I'm not as afraid that I'll drop it as compared to the mogul. The phone is also seems much faster compared to the mogul. I'm sure I'll miss my keyboard but right now I feel it was well worth the "downgrade".
The Touch seems more like a finished product from start to finish. Even the packaging says WOW. The software, hardware design and performance just top it off.
I spent a solid week in between meetings and after work stopping by Sprint, Verizon, and AT&T looking and playing with ALL of the latest WM 6 smartphones. I have been with Sprint FAR TOO LONG and I was ready for a change. I had narrowed it down to the Mogul or Touch, but just had to wait until yesterday to see it and play with it.
Instantly, I was absolutely stunned by how well the Touch felt in my hand and the craftsmanship. The Mogul was on a completely different side of the store, and I must have gone back and forth a dozen times.
The specs say that the Touch is a miniscule 0.1 inch difference in thickness - I would have swore it felt like the Touch was 3/16" fifference ... or more !! I mean, the Touch felt like something I could easily slip into a pocket.
And from a weight perspective, the Touch is so light. The rubberized finish just made it even better.
NOW, I was really torn since I loved the Mogul ... but after playing with the TouchFlo interface for almost 1/2 hour, and liking the Touch keyboard entry ... I succumbed to the sexy new toy and went with the Touch. There is always a stylus backup and some clever new predictive "keyboard app" to experiment with. I also reasoned that I could also investigate some of this new "full size" luetooth keyboards is push came to shove.
The Touch's small size was the decision for me.
I looked at the brand new Samsung 1760 slider and, let me tell you, the keyboard makes the Mogul look "old" - there is real space between the keys.
IF, HTC revved the Mogul to a 3.5 in screen, with a more spacious slider keyboard - based on my limited experience with the Touch interface - they could seriously compete with the iPhone !!
had Touch first but switched to Mogul - details
I had the Touch for about a week before deciding to switch to Mogul.
The touch screen was absolutely driving me CRAZY by not registering correctly despite being realigned. I would often end up not getting the selection I wanted. It was SO frustrating! Especially when it is the major input device for the unit. It is definitely no iPhone.
Also, the lack of a keyboard is really a problem for anyone who wants to input text efficiently. Maybe if you got a 3rd party touch keyboard it would work better, but I could not find a good way to get text in using the out-of-the-box software.
Third, the battery life is absolutely ABYSMAL on the Touch.
Finally, I had some software problems as well - weird crashes and erro message boxes popping up, despite the fact that I had not downloaded ANY additional software or changed ANYTHING.
Touch does has some nice stuff on it that Mogul does not, including Cube, HTC picture viewer w/ touch interface, some Today screen plug-ins for weather, large format clock, and also an IM tool. However, I've found most of that stuff available for free download on http://www.mobiletopsoft.com, or in these forums.
Yes, the Touch is a lot thinner and lighter. The marketing material saying Mogul is only 0.1 inch taller is just plain wrong. I measured and it is closer to 1/4 inch - significantly thicker. I don't like that, but, then again, I am used to carrying around a Treo and the Mogul is smaller.
Also, I think Sprint at least has made some good strides on fixing glitches with the Mogul - if anything, it is working better than the Touch so far.
Hopefully I will still be glad I switched to the Mogul in six months, but only time will tell...
HTC Touch is a pretty package but...
Don't get it unless you enjoy loosing the data on the Mini SD card on a regular basis...
I've got both the Mogul and the Touch... I finally put the Touch away... I can't get along without the SD card and have neither the time or patience to deal with the card issues anymore...
My 2 cents...
Hello all. I need a bit of help deciding if I want a Sprint HTC Touch or a Sprint HTC Mogul.
I had been leaning towards the mogul because of the keyboard and flash on the camera. Then I read about a lot of Mogul issues on here and especially on the HTC Wiki. So now I have been thinking the Touch is the way to go, especially with more memory and a slimmer smaller size.
What do you all think?
Touch or Mogul? I like both a lot, and each really has features I like over the other, but I don't know if I want to deal with a buggy phone just to have a real keyboard. How much real problems does the average Mogul owner notice, and how much can be fixed with new firmware or user community developed work arounds?
i've owned both, personally I like the touch better, it's smaller, faster, and a lot more stable, bluetooth works very well. But it all depends on the features YOU will use, and if YOU can get used to using an on screen keyboard like touchpal or the default keyboard the touch comes with. It doesn't take that much getting used to.
If you get it through a sprint store you have 30 days to exchange it for the phone of your choice, if not, you can always sell it on ebay or try to trade it on craigslist...
In my opinion I prefer the mogul because of the keyboard
dont like the screen keyboard
I have both... your only decision will basically will be if you want more ram and touch-flo or a physical keyboard and wifi. All the rest really makes no difference to me. I find myself using the mogul way more than the touch.
I tune in to Cnet.com and value their opinions and reviews. Cnet rates the Mogul higher than the Touch. Of course this is simply a review and is meant to be a guide.
I own a Alltel PPC6800 (which doesn't have the Sprint version issues) and have played with both the Sprint Mogul & Touch. I like both equally as they both seem opposite of each other in terms of what people want in a ideal device; stable, 128mb rom, touch interface, working BT, keyboard, Wi-fi, etc. It's a hard choice. But since Sprint allows 30 days to take home, play, etc I would begin with the Touch. DO NOT interprete as I am honestly attempting to provide an fair statement to both...
I like much the PPC6800... I like the design, interface, speed, keyboard,Wi-fi etc. But since the Touch interface, BT and higher ROM are very appealing, start there first. Sprint needs to refine the Mogul to make it the device that it should be and since they have been willing without headache to relocate Mogul users to the Touch, it's an indication that Sprint IS aware of the compaints and issues with the Mogul and it will likely take time to to bring it up to snuff, if they do. There is much love and hate for the Mogul and it seems that people either really like it (like me) or they dislike it. As for me, the only way to see if it suits you is to take a test drive.
drworsley and xweaponx, you both mention the wifi as a selling point for the mogul, what is the difference between the mogul and the touch wifi?
wifi is one of the features I will get a TON of use from and had assumed wifi would be similar or even the same on both the Touch and the Mogul.
I am still undecided, I need to play with both I think. I can easily see myself buying the mogul for the keyboard and then wishing I had the extra RAM of the Touch. But the opposite is true too, as I can really see myself wishing for the keyboard after a few hundred emails typed out on the touch screen.
As for touchflo, not too concerned about it. I see my self mostly using this as a toy. My pratical use of the phone will be in WM6 or on applications. Also, I would probably add the touch flo stuff to the mogul as others have.
The Sprint Touch does not have WiFi.
Just a few days ago I received my Touch from Sprint in replacement of my Mogul. I couldn't take it anymore, I swapped back to my Mogul. The lack of a hard keyboard makes texting a pain in the ass. And quite frankly, the extra RAM doesn't really make the phone much faster, it only allows the phone to run more concurrent applications without choking. The Mogul is nearly just as fast, especially with custom ROMs.
The touch keyboards are horrible, they are NO replacement for a hardware keyboard. And because there is an extra layer between the Touch's screen and the external surface, screen strokes need twice as much pressure as it would on the Mogul; very aggravating. If you use the keyboard frequently, I suggest you stick with the Mogul.
TouchFLO is pretty useless. I disabled it and used SPB's Smart Scrolling instead (included in Pocket Plus 4). I don't use the cube either; pointless.
Don't forget the battery packs are substantially different in size: the Mogul runs a 1500mAh pack, while the Touch runs on a smaller 1100mAh pack. It sacrifices capacity for size, and quite noticably too, since today I didn't use my Touch half as much as I would've used my Mogul, yet the battery drained probably twice as quick.
I mentioned this in a thread in PPCGeeks, but even in Windows Bluetooth manager, the Mogul is displayed as a "Personal Digital Assistant," while the Touch is dubbed a "Smart Phone." Decide what you're looking for in the phone, a communication device (Mogul) or a smartphone with a touch screen (Touch).
I know the Mogul has a reputation of being buggy, but rest assured, things have been much smoother with ROM 2.17, and they only appear to be getting better. Rev.A and GPS is on the horizon, and I can't wait for WM6.1 to be released for the Mogul.
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I have a Mogul and I have added alot of the features that the Touch has thanks to this website, with the newer ROMs from Sprint even the ROMs some of the guys here have cooked up have fixed some of the bugs the Mogul has. The selling point was the slide out keyboard, I went with my mom to a sprint store to get her a phone, while there the Sprint rep was showing me the Touch, while his sale pitch was good, it didn't hold water when I showed him my Mogul. At first he said thats just the Mogul it doesnt have all the featues the Touch has, but once I showed him my Mogul had more tabs on the HTC homeplug then the Touch, that I had the cube also amongs other goodies, he just said how I can make his Mogul look like mine!!! So its all about preference and what you are comfortable with, the only thing the Touch has over the Mogul is the bigger memory.
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drworsley and xweaponx, you both mention the wifi as a selling point for the mogul, what is the difference between the mogul and the touch wifi?
wifi is one of the features I will get a TON of use from and had assumed wifi would be similar or even the same on both the Touch and the Mogul.
I am still undecided, I need to play with both I think. I can easily see myself buying the mogul for the keyboard and then wishing I had the extra RAM of the Touch. But the opposite is true too, as I can really see myself wishing for the keyboard after a few hundred emails typed out on the touch screen.
As for touchflo, not too concerned about it. I see my self mostly using this as a toy. My pratical use of the phone will be in WM6 or on applications. Also, I would probably add the touch flo stuff to the mogul as others have.
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In that case the mogul is the way to go for you. It has the wi-fi, keyboard, and eventually gps, all of which the touch doesn't or will never have. But in any case, if its the ram u need i will be willing to sell you my touch . good luck choosing.
Thanks for all the help guys. The mogul is my choice now.
I am really going to want that WiFi, I can't believe it does not have it, I swore the HTC Touch website listed it as a feature. Maybe it is just a Sprint thing or maybe they removed it to make the device smaller. It is hard for me to imagine these types of PDA/Phones not having WiFi in todays world.
The GPS will be cool too, any ideas on when they will implement? I am sure they are probably waiting to build the ability to charge us for it into their systems lol. I could really use that feature as my job will have me traveling a lot to different cities.
Just think about it. The Mogul has more to offer hardware side. You can always add all of the touch features to your Mogule. I have 3 setups stored on my PC. One is literaly a Touch all around. One is my favorite modded HTC Home setup with all the fixings and the last is the Iphone copy. With the touch you are stuck with well.... the Touch layout. Surfing the web and other things are alot easier with the poker and a keyboard.
Hey guys! I am an avid reader of this forum and i was just wondering.....i'm looking to upgrade to another HTC phone. I currently have the wizard and i LOVE it! Just curious as to which HTC phone i should upgrade to, Are any of them as "open source" (for lack of a better term) as the wizard? As far as the community and the custom roms go? Any suggestions?
I was looking at the Tilt? is that a good choice?
Also, when i am buying one is there anything to watch out for like there is with the wizard? Like the G3 and G4 versions
TYTN 2 !!!!
Hmmm....i've kinda spent the last few hours just browsing through the forums on the newer phones, apparently there is some kind of video driver issue with the Kaiser....should i wait for maybe the touch cruise?
I will second XabdullahX's vote of the TYTN 2!!!
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Hmmm....i've kinda spent the last few hours just browsing through the forums on the newer phones, apparently there is some kind of video driver issue with the Kaiser....should i wait for maybe the touch cruise?
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I also vote that the Kaiser/Tilt/Tytn II is the way to go (I bought the Tilt and am loving it). Its a little different with the key layout than the wizard. I'm getting more used to everything being around the D Pad, but at first I didn't care for this (I still have to be careful not to hang up on a call when trying to press the right soft key). The phone has a ton of memory and is fast.
What you've been reading about in the Kaiser forums on the video driver is that the phone is capable of so much more, but HTC isn't using the proper drivers. What it does do is still very good, and personally I'm very happy with it and feel it was money WELL spent... Supposedly a media player app (don't recall which offhand but its a commercial one) is coming out with a new version that has fixed drivers or something in it. A lot of people are waiting to get their hands on this to see if they can use that to improve some other things.
So if you are a heavy watcher of movies or high performance games, you may want to evaluate the Kaiser/Tilt/Tytn II a little more. But for the majority of the uses of a PPC, its a fantastic phone...
OK, not to brag, but I have my Tilt fully loaded right now with Dutty's 7b ROM and a lot of apps (almost everything I have loaded into the phone's memory and not to my storage card). I have 85MB of free storage memory and 55MB of RAM free. HUGE change compared to the Wizard where you are trying to eek out every bit of space by cramming everything on your SD card and not having but a couple of apps open at a time to conserve precious RAM...
Yep, the Kaiser it is, or if you dont need a keyboard the Polaris.
Surur
I like the kaiser a lot too, but from personal experience, they have some issues with these devices. Hardware and software related. In particular, the BT Stack seems to um, SUCK big time. A couple of my friends had them (Tilts) and they both had horrible BT performance. Either they couldn't connect to certain Headsets/Car Kits or they couldn't walk five feet away from the device while connected without a bunch of static. These are common problems.
I'm waiting to see if they announce some kind of fix for that. It may just be the Tilt versions - not really sure, but BT stack issues are major to me. I always use BT.
apart from the fm radio and no keyboard and screen the cruse is pretty much the same hardware as kaiser so unless that suffer from the same driver issue as kaiser
only the keyboard thing should be the factor of which one to get if you ask me
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I like the kaiser a lot too, but from personal experience, they have some issues with these devices. Hardware and software related. In particular, the BT Stack seems to um, SUCK big time. A couple of my friends had them (Tilts) and they both had horrible BT performance. Either they couldn't connect to certain Headsets/Car Kits or they couldn't walk five feet away from the device while connected without a bunch of static. These are common problems.
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I must be lucky. I work in a home office upstairs in our house, and I can use my jawbone BT connected to my Tilt and walk downstairs to the kitchen and only get a small amount of scratching sound. When I was using my Wizard, by the time I got to the bottom of the stairs I knew I had forgoten my phone as the scratching and popping sounds were pretty bad.
Could be that this was because I was using the unofficial AKU AT&T ROM (I immediately upgraded to this when I got my Tilt as I at first understood it was an official AT&T upgrade). Now running Dutty's 7b which is based off the HTC rom and my BT sound is even better and more clear than the AT&T roms ever were, so it could be more the AT&T rom than the HTC rom with BT issues.
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i just got my tilt(kaiser) and in my personal oppinon...it totally kicks ass...seriously. i was kinda wondering bc of how much it coses but let me assure it was well worth it
The Kaiser is a terrific device and I'm very happy with it. Ofcourse there are some issues (like the video drivers, and audio glitch) that do not make it perfect for all uses.
If you want to play a lot of games or video or so, don't go for the Kaiser right now - that situation might improve, I'd wait and see what happens.
Note that the Touch variants all have the same issue.
HTC TyTN II and HTC Touch Cruise (same as TyTN II but without keyboard) are the best phones out there.
Call me crazy but I like the wizard still. I have a Hermes 8525, Faraday 2125 and I tried out the Tilt for a day. Not much differant then the Hermes but has a ton of memory. For a smart phone, the Faraday is awesome.
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Call me crazy but I like the wizard still. I have a Hermes 8525, Faraday 2125 and I tried out the Tilt for a day. Not much differant then the Hermes but has a ton of memory. For a smart phone, the Faraday is awesome.
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agreed...i LOVE my kaiser....but at the end of the day im always like damn that wizard was one hell of a phone....seriously
i have a 8125 and a 8525 also tried tilt because my friend has one and he let me plaay with it for a day
if your looking for speed of course go to 400mhz but it does not mean that wizard is slow because of frequent change in roms it can match the speed more or less
only thing here is the memory of course tilt has the most; second is tytan and last but not the least is my 8125... what makes the wizard advantageous is that it has a double speaker unlike tytan the speaker is placed at the back it produces less sounds in a process
I dont know if 4gig or 8gig can support the wizard but it has happened to kasier and tytan
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one last and important thing that I have noticed is in the wizard forum all of the good rom makers has not made roms nowadays??? that is the only sad part
in kaiser and tytan rom makers are very much active this makes the HUGE difference between the phone
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one last and important thing that I have noticed is in the wizard forum all of the good rom makers has not made roms nowadays??? that is the only sad part
in kaiser and tytan rom makers are very much active this makes the HUGE difference between the phone
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Did you forget XM6R5, That rom is awesome.
yeah aside from mfrazzz... I miss the times when there are too many roms to choose from maybe it is because people here know now about cooking and still I am a noob for cooking and trust cookers t put there files here???
oh well I can only blame myself actually...
As my Nike is bust (see my sig) I will probably be looking to get another HTC phone in it's place. So I'm asking the same question.
From what I've read the Kaiser and TyTn 2 are the best, am I right in thinking that one of these two would be the best phones to have? Like the first post, I'd like a phone that's 'open source' so to speak (ie. popular, lots of mods for it) and WiFi and SD slot.
i can ask nothing more out of my vogue, till i get my hands on the touch HD
My vote is for the Tilt/Kaiser. I bought mine off craigslist for $200. Best $200 I'd spent in some time. I love my Wizard but the ROM's available for the Kaiser are just amazing and the device itself is fast, Stable, and just plain fun to work with.
Kirby
Hello,
I am currently a cingular 8525 user but the call for more ram faster processing has gotten to me. I am also drawn to the touch interface (my swipes are blocked by my phones bezel around the screen). Do you guys have any regrets about your purchase. I think i will get a niki or wait on teh cruise what do you guys think if you had to do it again would you wait?
i'd still get the niki
I'd still buy the niki, because I really like to have the buttons, I already had a bluetooth gps unit and don't really need wifi, I will use my laptop for fast internet browsing and have a unlimited data bundle for umts.
although I have to say that with et9 and the touch keyboard it isn't too annoying to be using the on screen keyboard.
So I think it's a matter of personal taste, which one do you prefer, the hardware keypad or the gps/wifi availability..
I have the bluetooth gps unit as well and dont use my wifi at all. Also for the keyboard i was gonna be leaning more towards the touchpal keyboard. Its hard to use on my Hermes becasue of the bezel. I think i may opt for it.
I honestly wouldn't buy it. For about the same price I would get an Asus P535 with GPS and WI-FI.
New HTC models have problems, mainly with missing drives, making them slow!
But since I got it as a Xmas present ... can't complaint :x
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I honestly wouldn't buy it. For about the same price I would get an Asus P535 with GPS and WI-FI.
New HTC models have problems, mainly with missing drives, making them slow!
But since I got it as a Xmas present ... can't complaint :x
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If I knew what I know now, that the irritations that I have about it now is a F******** feature, and not a flaw in the design, I would have waited for a better alternative, or another WM phone.
Atleast to just throw something in HTC's face. Yes, I'm that disappointed, and will be until they fix me some drivers so it doesn't run worse than a 3-4 year old PDA.
Thanks for the input ill hold off until something comes from HTC. I have heard issues with sevral of their new phones.
The Asus P535 doesnt look all that impressive...as far as specs go.
battery is weak. other than that the device rocks.
xt9 sucks in the beginning. after a while it is good.
i really like that you can navigate without stylus. i would buy it again.
I would also buy it again.
Beside the fact that is looks pretty fancy, it is rock solid.
I am only missing internal GPS
@asus p535
unfortunately, it does not have UMTS and only 64mb ram!
I, too, would buy this phone again. It is the coolest looking and functioning phone I've ever owned. Just the right size and very solid.
Please stay away from HTC phones. They'll just advertise good hardware and not provide the proper drivers to have them working to it's full potential. In other words, it's like buying an awesome piece of hardware that only runs 30% of its full power.
Check this: http://htcclassaction.org
I'm one of the victims because I bought an HTC TOuch Dual.
So piece of advice.. I'd rather get something from Eten or even apple if I were you.
I have three regrets:
1. No USA T-Mobile 3G. Since T-Mo doesn't have working 3G here yet, it just means I'll have to buy another phone on the off chance they get it working this century.
2. QC issues. The first Touch Dual I bought died 14 days in. Too early to say anything about the replacement. So far so good, though.
3. No GPS. Kind of upsetting that HTC disabled the GPS ability on this phone, but for me it's a "nice extra" and not a requirement. I bought it knowing it wouldn't be there.
Otherwise, it's by far the best phone I've ever owned. Even with the driver issue it beats the snot out of my Wizard (US T-Mobile MDA) as far as speed, I love the touch interface tweaks compared to the MDA and I love the sleek form factor compared to the giant brick the MDA was.
DaVince said:
Please stay away from HTC phones. They'll just advertise good hardware and not provide the proper drivers to have them working to it's full potential. In other words, it's like buying an awesome piece of hardware that only runs 30% of its full power.
Check this: http://htcclassaction.org
I'm one of the victims because I bought an HTC TOuch Dual.
So piece of advice.. I'd rather get something from Eten or even apple if I were you.
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Is this driver issue only with video or complete phone performance. I feel for you guys but i dont watch video on my phone as it will eat the battery up during travel. Seems to be a mixed crowd though.
complete phone performance. the simpliest task of scrolling up and down a page is totally messy!
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Is this driver issue only with video or complete phone performance. I feel for you guys but i dont watch video on my phone as it will eat the battery up during travel. Seems to be a mixed crowd though.
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COMPLETE PHONE PERFORMANCE.
It's like running your PC on Safe Mode.
You can't even scroll on PIE or Opera Mini without being agitated!
NOTE: Some people are already satisfied (or can live with a PC that runs in Safe Mode) that's why some people does not notice the difference.
Thanks...guess ill be passing on this one.
The sad thing is I REALLY wanted this phone, but the lack of proper driver support is just completely retarded; the Touch Dual is a beautiful device, much more attractive, IMO, than the iPhone, but if they can't be bothered to implement the drivers properly, and the phone performs like crap as a consequence, then I've got to look elsewhere. Has anyone had any experience with Eten's hardware? Specifically the X or M800?
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The sad thing is I REALLY wanted this phone, but the lack of proper driver support is just completely retarded; the Touch Dual is a beautiful device, much more attractive, IMO, than the iPhone, but if they can't be bothered to implement the drivers properly, and the phone performs like crap as a consequence, then I've got to look elsewhere. Has anyone had any experience with Eten's hardware? Specifically the X or M800?
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it is not that bad. if i want to watch a film i watch it on tv. the rest works fine...
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it is not that bad. if i want to watch a film i watch it on tv. the rest works fine...
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I never tried big films (700mb, 1:30h), but I can see small 10 minute clips without a problem! No stops, no delays, nothing. the biggest problem is scrolling up and down on a page. it goes crazy!
Hi
I am currently using a O2 Mini S / HTC wizard and love it.
For the past few years, I have just upgraded and sold the phone on Ebay... now I have been offered this :
600 mins + 1000 texts (dont care about)... and unlimited internet! for £20 a month.
I have been offered a variety of phones including the Nokia 5800 and LG renoir... or if I spend £100, I can get a x1.
I just have no idea.
I went to a shop to take a look and find it generally ok, but I think the keyboard feels a bit... bad...
My wizard only has a 1.3Mp camera, but I am very happy with it. It does not lie... if I see a picture on the screen, I press the button and it takes fast. Is the camera here better than the wizard?
Anyway, I have an Exchange server, and just love the way it syncs.
The other thing I was thinking of is getting the nokia and selling it, then using the sim card in my wizard, however it is not 3g, and obviously really slow.
All I read here is people upgrading / reflashing their X1, is it really that bad?
I am just in two minds and have no idea what to do. What would you do?... should I wait for HTC touch Pro 2?
Thanks
William
MY PERSONAL OPINION
Hated the X1 at first, was all hyped up and everyone was raving about how good it will be and it just wasnt so
It WAS slow, USED to crash all the time, and the ui was appauling. I mean i nearly got rid of it several times and even through it across the house once cause it crashed during a very important call.
Now its awesome!
The update has made a huge difference, the software, tweaks and addons supplied by the users of this site along with other sites have made the X1 into a really powerful piece of kit.
YOU CANNOT get it out of the box and fall in love it takes some tweaking to customise it to your exact spec and needs.
Trust me its not easy at first but it will get better as you use it more. Plus more updates and tweaks from all users that i am VERY GRATEFULL for will make it even better.
just my opinion
I dont think the x1 keyboard is bad, it takes time to get used to any small keyboard - and/or the keyboard beds in - either way I find the keyboard fine now.
The camera has never been much good on my X1 - loads of lag and blurred pictures in low light, that could be a hardware problem - there are some roms with a new leaked cam from the R3 firmware which SE has not released yet, I dont know if this is better or not - any others comment?
I like everything else about the X1.
I'm another one that hated the phone....but it was my first smartphone.I had used Sony Ericsson phones for years and couldn't wait for it.
Was sooo disappointed until I found XDA....and then learned about flashing, and then....YOU WILL PRIZE MY X1 OUT OF MY COLD DEAD FINGERS!!!
I'm using Jack's ROM which I love (Mainly because TFL3D fitted my personality)
My only complaint is that it can't play Xvid's natively (They require conversion).
I will hang around and get an X2 (Whatever it may be) as long as they keep the same size phone and resolution. (Iphone is too large width wise)
I think X1 is good WM phone, if not the best.
But I realized WM is poor operating system for phone, if not the worst.
I bought X1 2 weeks before Palm Pre announcement. If I could decide now, I would leave my old stupid phone and unconnected PDA .. and I would wait.
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Was sooo disappointed until I found XDA....and then learned about flashing, and then....YOU WILL PRIZE MY X1 OUT OF MY COLD DEAD FINGERS!!!
I'm using Jack's ROM which I love (Mainly because TFL3D fitted my personality)
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I have heard so many people say this and I am just thinking, I should wait for the HTC touch pro, that would require no hacking to get this working...
The only real positive I can see for having the X1 is the screen, but the HTC pro 2 is also a high res screen... and being newer, it is more likly to have WM 6.5 in the future.... I know there are so many hacks here, but I would prefer to go via the manufacturer.
At the end of the day, a X1 will cost me £460 in 18 months time, where as having a 5800 or renoir will cost £360, or if I choose just to take sim only, probably around £40... I think I will not take a phone and in a years time, I will probably be able to get a HTC touch pro 2 or x1 on ebay for a fraction of the price.
Thanks to the guides here, I opened up my Wizard and was able to fix the vibrator so it really is perfect for me... I would LOVE to have 3g and check my email on the moove, but I have survived years without it... oh well!
I am still in two minds, but anyway...
If I remember correctly, the Wizard has Edge, right? If your operator (or another one) provides it, I think this is a good option in the mid term. It's almost as fast as the first version CDMA, only the latency is much higher.
Regarding the Touch Pro 2, it will be larger than the X1, quite a brick actually. It's actually a Touch HD with the thickness of the X1 - you can get an idea of it when you compare the two devices in a store. The Touch HD has quite a large screen area, but is not as thick as the X1. The X1 has a smaller area though. Combine the two, and you will get the Touch Pro 2. If you think you can put that into your pocket (together with its weight), then it may be the most powerful device that is upcoming. My impression is, that the Touch Pro 2's keyboard will be great and lot's better than the X1s.
The X1 keyboard is bad by the way, but you can learn how to write with it at acceptable speed. My Hermes keyboard was way better though.
Is it just me or everyone had a problem with X1's keyboard? When I push a button I either can't get any character or I get triple... where can I change the repeat rate and/or sensitivity?
Jasand said:
MY PERSONAL OPINION
Hated the X1 at first, was all hyped up and everyone was raving about how good it will be and it just wasnt so
It WAS slow, USED to crash all the time, and the ui was appauling. I mean i nearly got rid of it several times and even through it across the house once cause it crashed during a very important call.
Now its awesome!
The update has made a huge difference, the software, tweaks and addons supplied by the users of this site along with other sites have made the X1 into a really powerful piece of kit.
YOU CANNOT get it out of the box and fall in love it takes some tweaking to customise it to your exact spec and needs.
Trust me its not easy at first but it will get better as you use it more. Plus more updates and tweaks from all users that i am VERY GRATEFULL for will make it even better.
just my opinion
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You threw it across the house and it's still working!? Well, so someone has tested that the X1 can survive a big drop.
Fully agree with the first reply: Used to have Symbian business-phones like P1i, all Communicators which came perfect out of the box, I thought after unpacking the X1 and started it first time that X1 is a peace of crap. But never give up too early:
Found this wonderful site and started learning, tweaking and flashing my X1, and after several mistrials I ended up with cHarOns fast&lite rom, adding MS-voice command, Sprite backup, XTract and several nice apps, and it is now running like a charme. No reboots, no dropped calls, and everybody who gets a hand on my phone is really impressed.
I believe WinMob is NOT and will never be best for phones or handhelds, but if you like to fumble and make experiments, you jumped on the right train.
Huhh, experiments with a business phone? Yap, that is what gives you xperiance!
let me see... lousy camera
special keyboard producing triples or spaces or no spaces
slowness
high price
poor support (at least for my area )
N O
leobox1 said:
let me see... lousy camera
special keyboard producing triples or spaces or no spaces
slowness
high price
poor support (at least for my area )
N O
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I loved it to begin with but hated windows mobile. Flashed the touch it rom and the phone is so much better, wouldn't trade my x1 for anything
You don't even need to tweak your phone to get touch flo 3d, you can install it as a cab and it becomes just another today item.
I love the phone so much. I definitely would have got the touch pro 2 if I could because I used to be used to the universal so a chunky phone was not a problem for me! However, having experienced the X!... its just a beautiful piece of hardware! Aethetics rarely interests geeks but once you get used to how it feels, the way it slides open, etc. I just love it. The keyboard is not great but definitely looks amazing and you can put it in your pocket and forget about it.
Definitely getting the x1 again if I am starting all over again...
There is no other phone on the market now that could think of to replace it with...
With the new roms I love it even more.
Have been using it since Oct, no regrets.
I think owning this phone just proved to me that 1. convergence is a very bad idea -- definitely carry separate devices for everything; and that 2. I'd be much happier with an iPhone.
So no, I'll probably just sell my three-month old X1 for 1/3 of the price I paid, because people are already refusing to pay anymore for a used one.
Did I mention the headphone jack left unsightly scratches on the plugs of every pair of headphones I own?
First I liked it... did loads of research and then went to a shop picked it up and played with it... loved the display...
Now I love it... never leaves my side and its simply indispensible... The keyboard does take some getting used to and I did have to upgrade my sim to a 3g one as they didnt send me one but its awesome...
I use the R2AA 10 ROM (very very good btw)and will upgrade to the R3AA when its here... as yet I have had no urge to flash different ROMs from the guys here... ok I have had the urge but as exams are coming up and I have a couple of dissertations to right I just dont have the time... sigh..
Finally where are you getting this deal? if you pay less up front (ie free phone or £50) is the deal more expensive?
I'd buy one again, though i'd be very tempted to wait for the Touch Pro 2 instead. A few months ago i was wishing i went for the Touch HD instead, but now i've got in to the Office side of things the keyboard is proving invaluable. I planned to buy a netbook, but it's really not needed because i can surf the web and run Word/Excel on the X1
One thing i do regret though is not putting a case on it straight away, it's scratched to bits. I'm actually tempted to "accidentally" drop it down the loo before my insurance runs out...
Thank you everyone here,
I have decided not to get it...
I really do love the look of it, however I went to the shop again, and I just can not stand the keyboard... I have so many small devices, but I just find the feedback so... soft (is that the word?) I like to know I pressed the key, and it just didnt seem to feel right to me.
At the end of the day, I would be on a 18 month contract, and in 18 months time, I will be £460 down on a phone that (By reading from here) may have cracks... not supported by SE, lousy camera, and general annoyances.
So many people talk about flashing their phones... imho, it should be perfect to begin with.
I know winmo has its flaws, but I really love it... the moment I am in wireless range of my network, I get all my emails and sync with exchange... or just link via USB or bluetooth to my laptop.
I love having one calander, contact list, notes and more... I know other phones can do this, but I just dont think it is as flawless or as simple.
Right now, I was offered a retentions deal which after credit, works out at around £45 at the end of 18 months... by then, hopefully I can pick up a older touch pro, or x1 from ebay for a fraction of the price, or a new x3 or whatever is out by then!
I would love any new smartphone, but frankly, I am happy with what I got... why spend a extra £415 (over 18 months).
Thanks everyone,
Wil
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Thank you everyone here,
I have decided not to get it...
I really do love the look of it, however I went to the shop again, and I just can not stand the keyboard... I have so many small devices, but I just find the feedback so... soft (is that the word?) I like to know I pressed the key, and it just didnt seem to feel right to me.
Wil
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I felt the same as you did about the keyboard when I first bought the phone (I order it over the net and never have the chance to test the device before buying it). And it took about 2 weeks to get used to. Now this keyboard is completely fine for me to type with
I used to use a iMate JASJAM and like the x1, the keyboard just feels alot easier to type than the x1 when I first bought it.
However after getting used to the X1 keyboard, I can't type on my JASJAM anymore haha............
Absolutely Yes, I would get one. I haven't had a single moment of regret. It's simply the best phone I've ever had.
Although I must say I waited enough to be sure that the software issues (lagging etc) were fixed.