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Push Email V.S. Outlook (speed)

Check this out.
I sent a test email from a web email account to my exchange server. I had outlook open on my desktop, and my Wizard chillin next to me (in standby mode.) The desktop is connected to the exchange server with gigabit (the pc and server have gigabit and there is a linksys gigabit switch in between.) The email hit the exchange server in about 5 seconds (give or take.) A second or so later my phone beeped at me (the new mail notification) and a second after that outlook popped up the new email notification.
So my conclusion is exchange must send emails to the mobile device first, because obviously EDGE is no faster than gigabit (I wish!) However it is still cool that I get it faster on my phone!
Just another geek making fun observations; Lew

lol.....i did the same thing...
actually i did it from a few differnt accounts to see the speed of each one in comparison...hahah

I'm definitely luv'n this also. Finally we have the BlackBerry Killer. My typical response to my 8125 is about 8 to 10 seconds, slightly faster than my workstation. Keep meaning to turn off caching the OL2003 on my pc's profile ... just to be fair .....

i have not upgraded rom so i just get my ms exchange email via the "pull" method. you know... the sms-pingy thingy where i am set to receive as email is sent. when in my office, i usually get my email on the wizard just before it arrives in my pc inbox. i'm on edge btw

I use the push-mail option also, but the mails (or tasks or agenda items) usually need about a minute to arrive on my Wizard. But sometimes it arrives almost immediately. Since the PDA is set to notify directly, I suspect there must be a setting in Exchange to define an interval something like that, causing the Exchange server to send (accumulated) notifications only once per minute.

I have also noticed this, new mail arrives earlier on the Wizard than in Outlook.
If only the Wizard would notify me when I have new mail in the subfolders...

sure when you connect your device to your computer via usb from AS go to the config of your Mail (settings) and check the boxes (mail folders) you'd like sync'd

lvlolvlo said:
sure when you connect your device to your computer via usb from AS go to the config of your Mail (settings) and check the boxes (mail folders) you'd like sync'd
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i am not connected to my pc when i notice exchange "pull"-mail hitting ppc-outlook before desktop outlook

Moskus said:
I have also noticed this, new mail arrives earlier on the Wizard than in Outlook.
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I suppose Outlook uses "pull", that's why it's slower. I don't know the interval Outlook is using. "pull" and "push" is to different technics and "pull" is faster in most cases.
IMAP, POP3 - "pull"
SyncML - "push"
Does any of the new Outlook versions offer push mail compatibility?

i'm lost :shock: :shock: :shock:

Going out on a limb here, but I *think* Outlook client (PC not Pocket PC) sits there and waits and Exchange sends it some UDP traffic when there is an update to the mailbox and at that point it refreshs itself.
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I do know that if the client is firewalled for incoming traffic from Exchange it won't auto send/receive and has to be manually done.

lpasq said:
i'm lost :shock: :shock: :shock:
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When using push mail ... the connection between the client and server is always on. When a mail arrives the server is pushing the mail through it's open connection. Correct me if I'm wrong.

The exchange push mail.developers even mentioned this in their blog.
Cached exchange mode does usually take longer, the idea behind it is to take the load off the server. If you're not running cached mode, then you should always see the message first in Outlook as in direct mode it's a direct view onto the mailbox.
I get a outlook pop up in cached mode about 1 second after my phone beeps, it doesn't half make people see how good push mail is!

this is worthwhile reading, if you haven't already
http://blogs.technet.com/exchange/archive/2005/06/07/406035.aspx

I've been testing the push mail as well. Watching https connections with a netstat viewer on the Exchange server, I noticed that the connection to the device will occasionally drop. The device will reestablish after about a minute or so. I think that is why it sometimes takes longer to get the mail notification on the device. There are heartbeat settings in the device registry. If I have time I might play with those and see what it does to traffic and reconnection times.

Activesync updating email

Hi, I've an IMAP email account setup on my phone (nothing to do with Outlook). I've unticked the box to auto check for new messages every n minutes, but whenever I activesync it gets the new messages. I can't for the life of me find out why it's doing this, any one have any ideas?

Activesync
When you first connected the device, there was an option what to synch, and by default email is one of the things. You can fix it by synching, then choosing Tools/Options from the PC menu and unchecking Email. (It doesn't synch notes by default, which you can also fix here.)

prestonmcafee said:
When you first connected the device, there was an option what to synch, and by default email is one of the things. You can fix it by synching, then choosing Tools/Options from the PC menu and unchecking Email. (It doesn't synch notes by default, which you can also fix here.)
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Thanks for the reply. That only applies to Outlook email though doesn't it? I'm talking direct to the IMAP server here, it just seems to do an automatic send/receive when doing an activesync.

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bluesxman said:
Thanks for the reply. That only applies to Outlook email though doesn't it? I'm talking direct to the IMAP server here, it just seems to do an automatic send/receive when doing an activesync.
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When I had that box checked, it synched whatever mail was up -- for me it synched Pop mail. I don't know if that means it would also synch exchange.

Thanks for the help, maybe that's it then. I unchecked the box, but it came up with a warning that all email on the PPC would be removed - not particularly desirable! In any event I quite like the feature, just would like to know how it happened as I'd never seen it do it before.

Send/Receive Greyed OUT

For some strange reason, after resetting my Hermes 100 device for the 4th time in less than 6 months, I lost the capability of sending and receiving e-mail from within my outlook account by hitting the send/receive option after hitting menu. I check all my settings. When selecting Active Sync, everything works and the device connects to the server and performs the sync. But I use to have that functionality and I miss it a lot! My sync parameters are:
Sync Calender & E-mail only - same as before HR
E-mail Options 3 days 1Kb no attachments
Schedule is set to manually on both counts (Peak & Off Peak)
Send outgoing items immediately IS checked
Exchange Server 2003 is configured properly as ActiveSync works when hitting Sync
I am using a GPRS connection
Everything is just as it was before the Hard Reset. Why the hell can't I send/receive e-mail from within the outlook account. It works on the AOL account????
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Not Geting my Outlook

For some reason i am not getting my work email right have all the setting right ever time i run active sync i get them but not getting the automatic when people send them from work have to sync or press send and receive
open Touch v3.0 bgwwe.

guess no one knows

How often is it set to send/receive in the settings for that email account?

I did not have to press send & receive it was like Direct connected to my work exchange mail might be some stock t mobile setting ?

I don't know. I've never used an exchange server with my ppc.

thanks any ways

Outlook sync times

Hi all,
I know that i can manage my sync times for hotmail by going
start>messaging>menu>options>hotmail>sync schedule
so i can basically only get my hotmail emails during the day, or when i want them, but there doesn't seem to be a similar option with outlooks direct push.
just wondering is it a possibility, or am i missing something simple?
many thanks

The reason why you can choose not to sync during the night with your hotmail is because you need to check periodically if there is new mail on hotmail, thus using the internet connection regularly.
Push mail works the other way around: whenever the server gets a message, it will contact your device and tell it that there's new mail.
I think that for stopping Pushmail from sending you mails at night you need to change a serverside setting, because it is the server that does the work.

thank you very much for your help mate
i'm with you now!

You can set the schedule of your Exchange email by going to Programs > ActiveSync> Menu > Schedule
In Schedule you can set how often to sync for peak and off-peak times, so what you would probably want to do is set your off-peak times to "Manually" or "Every 4 hours" etc.
At the bottom of the page there is a link that directs you to the page of adjusting the Peak Times.
Hope this helps you.
Cheers

Marcieking said:
The reason why you can choose not to sync during the night with your hotmail is because you need to check periodically if there is new mail on hotmail, thus using the internet connection regularly.
Push mail works the other way around: whenever the server gets a message, it will contact your device and tell it that there's new mail.
I think that for stopping Pushmail from sending you mails at night you need to change a serverside setting, because it is the server that does the work.
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Sorry but that's wrong.
Hotmail is now pushed to WM6.1 phones when you use the Live Wizard to set it up. (Other webmail emails will need a 3rd party app).
If your Outlook is Exchange Push, then you should have the same settings for both.