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Browsing LAN from PPC

Is it possible to browse my LAN from my XDAII using only my USB cradle? I'm using Resco Explorer. I tried this:
1. Select My Network root directory
2. Selected Map Drive... from the Advanced Toolbar
... to no avail.

Open up internet explorer. Put in the address bar the following \\"computer name or IP of computer" then click on the little go button and waa laa it will work. The go button doesn't say go, but in essence it is the same it is to the right of the address bar.
Mike

As far as I was aware it's not possible to browse network files from an XDA2 unless you use an SDIO wi-fi card, and sure enough I can't get Mikee's suggestion to work. If I type into IE's address bar '\\192.168.1.100' and click Go, that gets replaced with 'file//\\192.168.1.100\' (almost like it's trying to connect for me) but then immediately I get a 'Network path cannot be found' error.
Pity, cos it'd be great to be able to do this. Perhaps I'm doing something wrong, Mikee?

You can partially blame Microsoft for this with their "My network card connects to {work} or {the internet}..." paradigm.
It's one of the most irritating things about the Windows Mobile OS.
Let's suppose you have a Wireless Card or (in my XDAIIi's case) internal Wireless turned on. By default, WinMob2003(&SE) decides arbitarily that your network card connects to the Internet.
This is fine if you are using a Wireless AP hooked up to ADSL at home for your Home LAN as it will just connect via your AP and go straight through to the Internet. However, guess what you have to do to be able to connect to any local machines on your LAN? You guessed it, you have to go into the advanced connection setting and change the "My network card connects to..." to "Work"!! You will then be able to map a drive either using Resco Explorer or even the inbuilt explorer, of any machine that your PPC can "see". Don't forget that permissions etc will need to be setup first though so that you can login to said machine.
That's fine, however, guess what you WON'T be able to do while you have that setting at "Work"? You guessed it, you WON'T be able to connect to the Internet!
I'm afraid it's either one OR the other and NOT both together.
I went through all this wireless bit because it equally applies to when you are simply connected via the cradle using Activesync. In the "Pass-through" settings of AS, you'll find it set to "The Internet" by default and like this, you will not be able to access local machines on the LAN connected via your desktop or a switch/hub. If you change it to "Work", however, you will. Then of course, the same applies as to the wireless setup. With it at "Work" you won't have access to "The Internet" and vice-versa.
I can only guess that the PPC situation is like this because the WinMob2003(&SE) OS does NOT have a FULL network client built into it that behaves as a Windows Desktop PC would. So, basically, it's a cludge.

You can partially blame Microsoft for this with their "My network card connects to {work} or {the internet}..." paradigm.
It's one of the most irritating things about the Windows Mobile OS.
Let's suppose you have a Wireless Card or (in my XDAIIi's case) internal Wireless turned on. By default, WinMob2003(&SE) decides arbitarily that your network card connects to the Internet.
This is fine if you are using a Wireless AP hooked up to ADSL at home for your Home LAN as it will just connect via your AP and go straight through to the Internet. However, guess what you have to do to be able to connect to any local machines on your LAN? You guessed it, you have to go into the advanced connection setting and change the "My network card connects to..." to "Work"!! You will then be able to map a drive either using Resco Explorer or even the inbuilt explorer, of any machine that your PPC can "see". Don't forget that permissions etc will need to be setup first though so that you can login to said machine.
That's fine, however, guess what you WON'T be able to do while you have that setting at "Work"? You guessed it, you WON'T be able to connect to the Internet!
I'm afraid it's either one OR the other and NOT both together.
I went through all this wireless bit because it equally applies to when you are simply connected via the cradle using Activesync. In the "Pass-through" settings of AS, you'll find it set to "The Internet" by default and like this, you will not be able to access local machines on the LAN connected via your desktop or a switch/hub. If you change it to "Work", however, you will. Then of course, the same applies as to the wireless setup. With it at "Work" you won't have access to "The Internet" and vice-versa.
I can only guess that the PPC situation is like this because the WinMob2003(&SE) OS does NOT have a FULL network client built into it that behaves as a Windows Desktop PC would. So, basically, it's a cludge.

strange , im using the XDA2s and my wifi settings are set to see internet , but in file explore or rosco file explorer they both see my lan fine in file exlore all i doo is click on the netfolder ickon at the bottom and then enter \\ (then the computer name) eg \\bedroompc this works both for my work network and home
henny

Firstly, my apologies for the double post above. I only pushed the submit button once, honest!
I was actually describing the "standard" way that all of O2's XDA's get setup when they are first turned on from new and that means that usually, under "Connections", "Select Networks" then "Network Management", you will normally see "My ISP" in the top box for progs that automatically connect to the Internet and "My Work Network" in the lower box for progs that automatically connect to a private network and this is where the problem lays.
In hindsight, I wasn't particularly helpful to Tetragrammaton since I didn't provide the actual solution he was looking for simply because I got too wrapped up in bashing the PPC's network client (or lack of a full one anyway...)
The solution is of course to simply make the bottom box equal to the top box (i.e. "My ISP") and immediately this will change the behaviour to that as you so correctly described (being able to connect to the Internet and to a Local LAN machine simultaneously) and will obviate the need to swap the destination of the Network Card settings themselves (which only gives one way connectivity with Wireless anyway).
I'm guessing that your machine is set this way Henny? Which of course will work as you describe.
The only caveat to doing this is that you disable the O2 WAP settings (which are normally configured under the "My Work Network" part) but whether this is a great loss is a moot point. In any case, the lower box in "Network Management" can always be switched back temporarily should you need the WAP settings back.
I hope this has now helped Tetragrammaton to get up and running...

I should hastely add that my offered solution in the last post still won't allow you to browse LAN machines while connected in the cradle (I've just tried it) so if anyone knows a way to do this, I would be interested...

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I should hastely add that my offered solution in the last post still won't allow you to browse LAN machines while connected in the cradle (I've just tried it) so if anyone knows a way to do this, I would be interested...
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I would be too.. anyways, thanks a lot y'all for the info.

CPNowell said:
I should hastely add that my offered solution in the last post still won't allow you to browse LAN machines while connected in the cradle (I've just tried it) so if anyone knows a way to do this, I would be interested...
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I haven't been able to try your suggestion yet, but just so we're clear, you're talking about browsing the files on LAN machines while the XDA2 (not 2i or 2s) is connected via ActiveSync? I think that's what tetragrammaton was asking in the original post. I have a suspicion that this post has been taken over with discussions about browsing the LAN using a wi-fi connection, not ActiveSync... :roll: Of course the XDA2 (which tetragrammaton mentions) doesn't have wi-fi

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I haven't been able to try your suggestion yet, but just so we're clear, you're talking about browsing the files on LAN machines while the XDA2 (not 2i or 2s) is connected via ActiveSync? I think that's what tetragrammaton was asking in the original post. I have a suspicion that this post has been taken over with discussions about browsing the LAN using a wi-fi connection, not ActiveSync... :roll: Of course the XDA2 (which tetragrammaton mentions) doesn't have wi-fi
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True and you are absolutely right on all counts. Browsing LAN machines via activesync using an XDAII in a USB cradle.

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CPNowell said:
I should hastely add that my offered solution in the last post still won't allow you to browse LAN machines while connected in the cradle (I've just tried it) so if anyone knows a way to do this, I would be interested...
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I haven't been able to try your suggestion yet, but just so we're clear, you're talking about browsing the files on LAN machines while the XDA2 (not 2i or 2s) is connected via ActiveSync? I think that's what tetragrammaton was asking in the original post. I have a suspicion that this post has been taken over with discussions about browsing the LAN using a wi-fi connection, not ActiveSync... :roll: Of course the XDA2 (which tetragrammaton mentions) doesn't have wi-fi
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True and you are absolutely right on all counts. Browsing LAN machines via activesync using an XDAII in a USB cradle.
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In that case I'm confused . Sorry. If it doesn't work in the cradle, but you're not talking about doing it through a wi-fi connection, what does your solution actually do? Apologies if I'm being a bit thick here - I'm ill with the 'flu.
I'm nervous about starting to mess about with the connections settings on my XDA2 just so that I can browse files on the network - every time I do this I end up screwing them up. I don't understand them at all and usually a hard reset with the auto-config is the only way to get it all working again. :roll:

I'll do a synopsis of this thread so far this evening. Bit tied up at work at the moment. Hope that's ok...

This has been covered many many times. It is impossible as currently set up. The best way to achieve this is to buy Pocket LAN, it works perfectly

I've had a quick look at that but that would be for just Wireless LAN connectivity, right? ...and as has already been pointed out to me (correctly), the original question was not about wireless.

NO!!!! This works through active sync with the xda in the cradle, worked on xda2 and 2i for me. Actually it is a bit of a waste of money as i never use it, though it seemed agreat idea at the time.

barney12345 said:
NO!!!! This works through active sync with the xda in the cradle, worked on xda2 and 2i for me. Actually it is a bit of a waste of money as i never use it, though it seemed agreat idea at the time.
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I've googled "Pocket LAN" and came up with a bunch of hits though none of them seem to be the right hit. If Pocket LAN seems to do the trick of accessing a network via the USB cradle only, could you post the link to Pocket LAN? Thanks!

http://www.pocketlance.com/register/index.shtml it says for ce or 2002 but works on 2003 and 2003se.
Hope this helps

You can find it (PocketLAN) here...
http://www.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=2825
Contrary to what Barney found, it didn't work at all for my XDAIIi in the cradle. The usual "network path not found" was all it could muster...
Even wirelessly I found it cumbersome and a bit iffy at connecting to machines at times. It does no more than Resco Explorers built-in network stuff. It also seeks to start messing with the device name etc and generally "muscle-in" and take over... Resco Exp does it without fuss, quietly and efficiently. More importantly, it works everytime but I'm afraid even it can't manage to connect to LAN machines through the cradle and AS.
Sorry about no (promised) post last night. Just didn't get the time. I'll try again for later today.

http://www.pocketlance.com/ try this link as well you can get a trial download

connect over USB killing EVDO

Hey -
Sorry if this has been covered before but it's so hard to find what you're lookign for with search sometimes.... anyways...
I got a nice lil cradle thing for my xv6800 and want to have it hooked up to my laptop when I'm in the office. I seem to be having a problem though when the device is connected it kills all regular VZW connections over EVDO... I have the device in sync with exchange server 24/7 so need to make sure it keeps the connection to VZW even while connected to the PC. It seems PC connection is trying to override VZW for some reason?
I went through the connections settings and removed all but Verizon Wireless in there but USB still doing some kind of an override....
am I missing something? Anyone have any helpful hints to allow my device to stay connected through EVDO while docked to PC?
Thanks

still cant find anything on this... activesync over bluetooth doesn't affect data connection but USB kills it.... no one has a solution?

oh come on.. all the ppc geeks in here and no one has any clue?
maybe I posted in the wrong forum for attention?

X1 tethering with mac

hey guys,
I tried to use usb tethering to a macbook today while I am at the airport... however unlike the blackjack2 that I have (which just work once I plug in and install the driver automatically) the x1 doesnt do anything. When I look into the internet setting I see the winmo device was connected... however as soon as I turn on internet sharing on the phone, the winmo device became disconnected
anyone have any idea what am I doing wrong?

Depends what you mean by tethering … If you mean using your X1 as a broadband modem, I've found that using the bluetooth DUN on OS X is the easiest method. If this meets your needs, (1.) establish a bluetooth pair between your macbook and X1. Then (2) on the X1 start up the internet sharing app and click connect. Your X1 should say "connected." Then (3) on your macbook open the bluetooth preference either from system preferences or the BT icon on the top bar by the clock. Select your X1 in the left sidebar. In the right-hand panel it will say 'not connected.' With your X1 selected go down to the 'perform tasks' button next to the minus sign in the bottom left-hand corner of the panel; select 'connect to network' and with any luck your status should change to connected and you should then be able to access the net on your macbook. Disconnect from either phone or macbook when finished.
I've tried to tether using USB, but haven't been successful. Don't think it works on the Mac becoz (I think) internet sharing requires ActiveSync on the PC which doesn't exist on OS X. I use MissingSync on my macbook, which hasn't got internet sharing capability. Also tried SyncMate which does share but it grabs every USB device imaginable which is sooo annoying especially when trying to connect a USB device to a Parallels VM.
Not sure why you're not using your wifi/airport connection for internet access on your phone (if you're trying to work the other way) unless of course it isn't connected to the internet.
Hope this helps.

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Depends what you mean by tethering … If you mean using your X1 as a broadband modem, I've found that using the bluetooth DUN on OS X is the easiest method. If this meets your needs, (1.) establish a bluetooth pair between your macbook and X1. Then (2) on the X1 start up the internet sharing app and click connect. Your X1 should say "connected." Then (3) on your macbook open the bluetooth preference either from system preferences or the BT icon on the top bar by the clock. Select your X1 in the left sidebar. In the right-hand panel it will say 'not connected.' With your X1 selected go down to the 'perform tasks' button next to the minus sign in the bottom left-hand corner of the panel; select 'connect to network' and with any luck your status should change to connected and you should then be able to access the net on your macbook. Disconnect from either phone or macbook when finished.
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the reason why I am not using the airport connection is becoz in US... most of the airport dont provide free internet access.... and they will charge you $10 for 24 hours...
thanks for your information btw~

good thing san diego airport wifi is free. i am about to test it this week when i fly out.
as for tethering, you might need to install the wm dun to get it to work.
or you can try enable internet sharing and see if that works.

c_legaspi said:
good thing san diego airport wifi is free. i am about to test it this week when i fly out.
as for tethering, you might need to install the wm dun to get it to work.
or you can try enable internet sharing and see if that works.
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I tried the bt dun last night and it worked for me =) however I am still trying to get usb tethering work w/o any sync software involved.... I know this can be done becoz thats how my blackjack2 is doing it... I guess it just depends on if I can get the right driver or not

odobo said:
I tried the bt dun last night and it worked for me =) however I am still trying to get usb tethering work w/o any sync software involved.... I know this can be done becoz thats how my blackjack2 is doing it... I guess it just depends on if I can get the right driver or not
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what's the solution with tethering on the x1 with a laptop/ win or mac without installing activesync?

Why my WiFi is grayed out?

Noticed that, obviously my phone is not in airplane mode, please advise.

mine does this when im plugged in to the pc via usb

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mine does this when im plugged in to the pc via usb
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Yes...when plugged in via usb it utilizes the internet that is available in the pc and overrides the wi-fi. Unplug the usb cable and the wi-fi should come back on without any interaction on your part.

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Yes...when plugged in via usb it utilizes the internet that is available in the pc and overrides the wi-fi. Unplug the usb cable and the wi-fi should come back on without any interaction on your part.
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Does it do it no matter if I choose active-sync/file sharing/internet sharing? I guess the third option does not make much sense...

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Does it do it no matter if I choose active-sync/file sharing/internet sharing? I guess the third option does not make much sense...
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I'm a little outside of my comfort range here...but...I believe the third option, internet sharing allows the PC to use the HD2 as the internet source. This is referred to as tethering. I'll look forward to someone correcting me if I'm wrong.

n11 said:
I'm a little outside of my comfort range here...but...I believe the third option, internet sharing allows the PC to use the HD2 as the internet source. This is referred to as tethering. I'll look forward to someone correcting me if I'm wrong.
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Bingo, you are correct
It passes your data connection over to your PC via USB, just like the phone was a modem.

but what if you want to use the phone as the internet source from your laptop? I have wifi in my house and use hotspots when available but what if I have neither available. can I use the phone to connect my laptop to the internet?
if so HOW?
thanks

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but what if you want to use the phone as the internet source from your laptop? I have wifi in my house and use hotspots when available but what if I have neither available. can I use the phone to connect my laptop to the internet?
if so HOW?
thanks
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If your LT does not have a wifi card get one, a using a $30 wifi card is preferable to using a $500 phone as a wifi dongle ...[/QUOTE]
But, yes you can use your phone to access the internet on your laptop , as stated before it is called tethering , it uses the phones data connection not the phones wifi connection ...
The exception to that is , if you run the wifi router app on your phone, not plugged into usb, then you can connect your LT to your phone via wifi ...
So one more time ...
Internet Sharing over USB allows your LT to connect to your phones Data connection not its wifi , wifi will be disabled.
Internet Sharing using the Wifi Router on the phone turns the wifi into a Ad-hoc access point, so your LT can connect to your phone over wifi and use your phones data connection ..

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my laptop does have 802.1bgn built into it. so at home, it automatically connects to my wireless router. this all works fine. I cannot afford to pay an additional $30 or whatever extra per month for a few minutes of internet access that I need from time to time from a wireless card/dongle or whatever.
if I take the LT to a hotspot (starbucks for example) once again it if fine.
if I go to a location that has neither then I would like to use the phone, either tethered or through bluetooth or wireless to get the laptop to connect to the internet throught the htc phone but I just cannot figure out how to do this.
I can connect the htc and the laptop through bluetooth or by the usb tethering but it will not connect to the internet and I cannot figure out what I need to do to get it to connect.
can you help me on this? thanks

pblocal said:
my laptop does have 802.1bgn built into it. so at home, it automatically connects to my wireless router. this all works fine. I cannot afford to pay an additional $30 or whatever extra per month for a few minutes of internet access that I need from time to time from a wireless card/dongle or whatever.
if I take the LT to a hotspot (starbucks for example) once again it if fine.
if I go to a location that has neither then I would like to use the phone, either tethered or through bluetooth or wireless to get the laptop to connect to the internet throught the htc phone but I just cannot figure out how to do this.
I can connect the htc and the laptop through bluetooth or by the usb tethering but it will not connect to the internet and I cannot figure out what I need to do to get it to connect.
can you help me on this? thanks
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Ok now we are getting somewhere, do you have a screen that pops up on your phone that asks you how to connect?
If not goto Settings>Connections>USB to PC , then check the bottom box "Ask me ..."
When you plug your phone into usb it should ask you if you want to use , ActiveSync, Diskdrive, or Internet Sharing, if you choose Internet sharing it should goto the data screen right after that and install the driver on the PC.
It then should connect .
So really your question should have been , "How do I share my phones data connection over USB?", or something like that .
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It is a good idea to have the other connections on your laptop shut off, wifi , lan ...

that button has been checked but it only it says the first two active sync and disc drive but not internet connections. how do I get it to ask me that?

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that button has been checked but it only it says the first two active sync and disc drive but not internet connections. how do I get it to ask me that?
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umm .. now that I do not know , it must not be in your ROM ...
What ROM are you using on your phone is it stock?

yes stock, have only loaded a few apps, nothing else different only 3 weeks old.

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yes stock, have only loaded a few apps, nothing else different only 3 weeks old.
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Well, to be honest, I only played with mine Stock for about 3 hours, so maybe someone with a stock one that has played with it more, will wade in here .....

pblocal, somewhere in your start menu, you will find an icon for "internet sharing", just run that, and make sure the two options are set to "USB" and "T-Mobile Data" (or whatever your data connection is named, it should be in the drop-down list), and then hit "connect" in the bottom left.. If you're connected via the ActiveSync option, it should then feed your 3G connection to your pc over the usb cable.

looked all over for that but could not find it.
could it be this phone does not have it? that would be LAME!
thanks for the help guys but I need more....

you can find the "Internet Sharing" app in the tools folder in the start menu.

it is in misc. settings on the phone last setting at the bottom

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pblocal, somewhere in your start menu, you will find an icon for "internet sharing", just run that, and make sure the two options are set to "USB" and "T-Mobile Data" (or whatever your data connection is named, it should be in the drop-down list), and then hit "connect" in the bottom left.. If you're connected via the ActiveSync option, it should then feed your 3G connection to your pc over the usb cable.
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wow! found it, sometimes the most obvious buttons are the most difficult to see. I hooked it up and for some reason it connected automatically for me this time.
thanks everyone for all your help. I can now use my phone to get my laptop on the internet if need be, once in a blue moon!
thanks again.....
ps - this post was done while using the 3g connection from my HTC, not so slow either!

Not that I wasn't confused enough....

Ok, so I turned off the data connections (well, deleted the connections really). I have my HD2 hooked up to active sync at the moment, and I was wanting to check something online with my phone. Well, right as I clicked go, I thought about just deleting the connections (jackass, you can't connect anymore). It went through anyway.
Did I not delete all of my connections for data (I checked, cannot see them anymore), or do I get internet access through my cable?
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I have the left/right pointing arrows at the top.
The only connection I have left is for MMS server....could I be connecting through this?

it will use your pc connection when active synced.that's why WiFi gets grayed out.

Well that is freakin sweet. I don't think I have had a phone that would do that before.

pjkj13 said:
Well that is freakin sweet. I don't think I have had a phone that would do that before.
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Yes, nearlly all previous versions of PPC can do it. Before PPCs became phones and have internet access of their own.
However it seems that if your PC is using a proxy, WM will get confused.