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hi,
i was just about ready to order an i-mate jamin from expansys when i saw the orange is planning to propose the htc proophet in france.
this is good news, because i am a long-time orange customer and i hope that they will cut me a break on the price.
on the other hand, is there a risk that orange will sell me a htc prophet with blocked rom, or with silly orange funcrions that i can not get rid of ? i would really hate to get a great phone to find out it is crippled...
on a related note, is there any other factors that can make the difference in a htc prophet from i-mate, qtek, o2, or orange. thanks for any help,
scott
scott451 said:
hi,
i was just about ready to order an i-mate jamin from expansys when i saw the orange is planning to propose the htc proophet in france.
this is good news, because i am a long-time orange customer and i hope that they will cut me a break on the price.
on the other hand, is there a risk that orange will sell me a htc prophet with blocked rom, or with silly orange funcrions that i can not get rid of ? i would really hate to get a great phone to find out it is crippled...
on a related note, is there any other factors that can make the difference in a htc prophet from i-mate, qtek, o2, or orange. thanks for any help,
scott
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It's possible to get rid of the T-Mobile software on the MDA Compact so Orange may be no different.
You can always install a new ROM.
I'am looking to get this on 02... any ideas when its out?
As orange are sold out
Talk to Orange and ask them to put you on a prepurchase list, I did heh, there has been no announcement from O2 as to the release of the TyTn but I read on theregister that O2 had had a falling out with HTC and possibly wouldn't be releasing any more of them. Though, as with all news of that type, it could be wrong as O2 have to be a reasonably major customer of HTC
i like 02 as they dont brand the phone, and to buy offline is crazy!
tomcoleman said:
I'am looking to get this on 02... any ideas when its out?
As orange are sold out
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It's not coming out on o2
Well, I'm sure Buzz and the team will work out an unlock for it sometime, and also someone will come up with unbranded roms, besides, just look at the branding on the HTC Universal / XDA Exec as it ships from O2 lol you CAN turn the orange branding options off (apart from the orange logo on the case lol)
Just a point on unbranding. I have an Orange M3100 and got a T-Mobile VarioII. the VarioII doesn't have any button to the top left of the D pad whereas on the M3100 it's a video call button which I believe can be re-assigned to other apps.
No sure which other operators are doing this, if any.
Just a point to those who might want to re-brand and 'play' with the device.
Gav.
Hi all,
pretty newbie here (first post!), and I want to buy an HTC Cingular 8125. I already read that the european version is the HTC Wizard, but I prefer the 8125 shapeform and keyboard. Is there a way to buy a new one in Europe?. All the customs clearance foms&procedure for one shipped from the states is even harder than paying them. Any advices? Did anyone had such a problem, how did you solve it?
TIA.
Try eBay. I live in Canada and there is no version of an HTC Wizard here, but I bought my 8125 from eBay unlocked. Has been working great for about 6 months now. Best phone ever! Generally, most sellers ship everywhere, and I am sure you will not have any trouble getting one shipped to Europe.
The shape of the Cingular 8125 is actually based off the Asian market Dopod 838. If you can find a shop out in Europe that sells second hand phones, you may be able to get one that is branded with the Dopod logos. AFAIK, Dopod (Asia) and Cingular (US) were the only ones who got the 838/8125 body style. Everyone else got the Wizard body.
Thanks zakhir_n and deathMiata for your replies, I wonder if the inner is the same in 8125/838 and in the Wizard, in terms of geometry... I mean, buying a wizard and the housing of a dopod or a 8125 and replace the bodies. Any experience?.
I was asking to buy one in Europe also for the warranty issues (buying an ebay unit from a private seller, no matter if it's unlocked or not, is warranty=0, right?). Also not to mention if something happens, I have to ship the unit to the States.
Can one buy it directly to cingular but without a contract? (the problem is not unlocking... the problem is billing, US bank account, etc...)
Thank you all!
Yeah warranty will always be an issue when buying things off eBay. Although I am pretty sure you can get warranty no problem, the issue is having to ship it and waiting for a long period of time without a phone if something happens.
Somebody I know just bought a locked 8125 from the states and then paid only $2 to unlock it. There is probably threads all over this forum showing how to do it for free. But the warranty issue is still there; even if you buy it from Cingular, if they are like any other phone company, they take their time fixing phones. Not to mention that they might not help because you aren't a customer. Anway, the wizard is a solid phone I wouldn't be too worried about anything.
And from what I can see about the housing form the 8125 and 838, the phones are exactly the same with different logos. I am pretty sure you can buy the housing and change it, but you would be getting the same looking phone with a different logo. This assumption is based on a quick glance only so don't take my word for it.
Good luck, buddy!
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Yeah warranty will always be an issue when And from what I can see about the housing form the 8125 and 838, the phones are exactly the same with different logos. I am pretty sure you can buy the housing and change it, but you would be getting the same looking phone with a different logo.
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Thanks, maybe I misexplained, I meant buying a Wizard or a Qtek (the ones available here) and also a 8125 housing (or Dopod 838 housing) via eBay, and swap the housings.... but everything points that I'll have to buy directly a 8125 from there (HTC TyTN/8525 has almost the same keyboard, but I don't need its extras over the 8125)
Thanks for your replies zakhir... I'm going to see if I can persuade an ebay seller with a good bottle of wine, in order to get lower declared value in customs declaration form
In the meanwhile, I'll keep reading the forums and learning... I soon will be posting my doubts
Hi again!
Any kind german forum-user can confirm if the VPA Compact II housing is the same as the cingular 8125 or Dopod 838 (and different than the Qtek 9100, that is the one whose keyboard I'm avoiding).
If the VPA Compact II has the same housing as the 8125 or 838 I would get it from germany... any advice on on-line shopping?
Thanks!
I'm in Europe for the holidays
I just replaced my 8125 with an 8525. Perhaps we can work something out?
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Hi again!
Any kind german forum-user can confirm if the VPA Compact II housing is the same as the cingular 8125 or Dopod 838 (and different than the Qtek 9100, that is the one whose keyboard I'm avoiding).
If the VPA Compact II has the same housing as the 8125 or 838 I would get it from germany... any advice on on-line shopping?
Thanks!
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Actually, I had a feeling that I forgot about Vodafone offered the Cingular 8125/Dopod 838 as the VPA Compact II. If Vodafone does offer the phone still I would imagine you could get it with no problem and unlock with Machina God's lokwiz unlocker (which is free, by the way).
PL3/384EI said:
Thanks zakhir_n and deathMiata for your replies, I wonder if the inner is the same in 8125/838 and in the Wizard, in terms of geometry... I mean, buying a wizard and the housing of a dopod or a 8125 and replace the bodies. Any experience?.
I was asking to buy one in Europe also for the warranty issues (buying an ebay unit from a private seller, no matter if it's unlocked or not, is warranty=0, right?). Also not to mention if something happens, I have to ship the unit to the States.
Can one buy it directly to cingular but without a contract? (the problem is not unlocking... the problem is billing, US bank account, etc...)
Thank you all!
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On the last part of your post, I can comment. I purchased my 8525 from www.letstalk.com without contract. I use an AT&T SIM and I am out of contract so I wanted to keep my plan. It is possible to purchase the phone only in this way. Even though they are reputable, I would imagine the warranty only applies within the USA.
I'm kicking around the idea of buying a Hermes, it's a sweet phone and it seems to have fallen a bit in price since I last looked at it. When searching for the different branded versions on eBay, I noticed that I could pick up a Cingular-branded Hermes (8525) a good deal cheaper than the rest of them. Are there any major shortcomings to the 8525 over other versions of the Hermes outside of the missing front camera? Using an American GSM provider, would I even miss the front camera?
I'm on T-Mobile, but if I grabbed a Cingular Hermes I'd obviously just go ahead and unlock it and use it with my service. Honestly, I think it would be pretty sweet to get the T-Mo UK branded Hermes (MDA Vario II) and carry that around instead. Then my friends would be like "whoa dog why does my T-Mobile store not have this phone how did you score it!!!" and I would be like "hell nah homies this **** is elite". But alas, it's not worth paying $600+ for a T-Mo Europe branded one when I can get the Cingular-branded one for well under 500.
Do you guys who have used multiple Hermes' have any preference? Would I likely be just as well off with an 8525 (given that I plan to flash it) as an HTC branded "TyTN" or other HERM200 version of the phone?
Thanks!
I got the 8525... If your not going to use the video calling, why pay more?
Ron
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I got the 8525... If your not going to use the video calling, why pay more?
Ron
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That's just it, though -- I'm wondering if it's even possible to use video calling in the United States. Is it?
More importantly, are there any replacement shells or cover-ups available for the 8525 such that one could make it appear not to be a Cingular device? I know I'm weird, but if I buy a Hermes for use with T-Mobile USA, I think it looks silly to have Cingular branding on the ****.
Thanks so much!
kalibar said:
That's just it, though -- I'm wondering if it's even possible to use video calling in the United States. Is it?
More importantly, are there any replacement shells or cover-ups available for the 8525 such that one could make it appear not to be a Cingular device? I know I'm weird, but if I buy a Hermes for use with T-Mobile USA, I think it looks silly to have Cingular branding on the ****.
Thanks so much!
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I bought a Vodafone 1605 on Ebay and used it with T-mobile and now Cingular....I don't mind the brand name on the phone cos I know it's all the same inside
The Vario II pricing is coming down in the UK ... just got given one for £50 on a renewal which is roughly 60% less than I was quoted about six weeks ago.
(typing as I wait for a full resync on my shiny new wm6 black to complete )
You might be able to snap one up off eBay UK on the cheap if your timing is good ...
kalibar said:
I know I'm weird, but if I buy a Hermes for use with T-Mobile USA, I think it looks silly to have Cingular branding on the ****.
Thanks so much!
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I am pretty sure a little alcohol and rubbing would remove the branding.... if your really desperate you could use a little nail polish remover...
I think you can buy "shells" for these phones on ebay. I don't know if they are interchangeable, aka using a Vario II shell on a Cingular 8525, but I would assume they would as long as the button configuration is similar.
chachi said:
The Vario II pricing is coming down in the UK ... just got given one for £50 on a renewal which is roughly 60% less than I was quoted about six weeks ago.
(typing as I wait for a full resync on my shiny new wm6 black to complete )
You might be able to snap one up off eBay UK on the cheap if your timing is good ...
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That's actually a really good idea; I could only find about two total MDA Vario II's on ebay.com (which makes perfect sense), but when I went to ebay.co.uk there were ****loads. Unfortunately, it seems that most sellers only offer to ship within the UK so I'd have to find one ahead of time that would be okay with shipping to the States.
That brings my next question though. What's the deal with QWERTY vs. QWERTZ keyboards? The MDA Vario II seems to be the latter, and I've typed on a QWERTY all my life and really have no intention of switching. Is it possible to not only map the buttons to QWERTY on a Vario II, but to physically switch the keys?
Man, what a pain this is all turning out to be. I guess I should probably just score a Cingular-branded Hermes and be done with it.
Hi
I just sold my TyTN, and want to upgrade to a Trinity, its smaller, and has a GPS which I will need.
However, I have this "strange" urge to only get the White one. I live in Hungary, and there are no White ones available. Can I order one from somewhere? I will also visit Hong Kong this coming September, and also Mainland China, can I fetch one from there?
Any suggestions are welcome,
Thanks
Ben
Well, the white is a good choice, also because it's not affected by the paint peeling syndrome.
Unlike the black one, the color doesn't seem to be past on the plastic but, to be the original color of the plastic itself. Therefore, after 3 months of use, there isn't even a scratch on it.
When I bought mine, beginning of june, I wanted a black one, but there wasn't any available where I live.
I took the white one and now I've heard about this paint problem, I feel lucky I did.
Don't know where in Asia or Hungary you can find a white one.
In France (and maybe in other European country where they are present) Orange is distributing only white phones.
I got mine from Orange but in south America, so it's not Orange M700 style, but just a plain HTC P3600 one, white.
riri22 said:
Well, the white is a good choice, also because it's not affected by the paint peeling syndrome.
Unlike the black one, the color doesn't seem to be past on the plastic but, to be the original color of the plastic itself. Therefore, after 3 months of use, there isn't even a scratch on it.
When I bought mine, beginning of june, I wanted a black one, but there wasn't any available where I live.
I took the white one and now I've heard about this paint problem, I feel lucky I did.
Don't know where in Asia or Hungary you can find a white one.
In France (and maybe in other European country where they are present) Orange is distributing only white phones.
I got mine from Orange but in south America, so it's not Orange M700 style, but just a plain HTC P3600 one, white.
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Thanks a lot. That makes me feel I want the white one even more
Can I obtain one from some sort of an online auction, or other online means?
What is the difference between lets say the Orange M700 and plain HTC P3600?
Thanks a lot
Ben
Hi
I found many M700s on ebay. I will try to obtain one.
unlocking one is not so trivial, I guess.
Any other places I could get one from? Maybe Asia?
Thanks
Ben
Maybe at Dopod's
bence8810 said:
What is the difference between lets say the Orange M700 and plain HTC P3600?
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As you already found out, the M700 is SIM-locked on the Orange network, and has some customizations and settings for Orange network and services.
Yes, you can always use some paid services or some 'unnofficial' applications to SIM-unlock your M700. The latters are free, but more risky.
bence8810 said:
I found many M700s on ebay. I will try to obtain one.
unlocking one is not so trivial, I guess.
Any other places I could get one from? Maybe Asia?
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Yes, on the Trinity, the SIM-unlock process, according to users feed-backs doesn't seem to be a big deal. I don't know myself, since mine wasn't SIM-locked, despite I got it from Orange. Their policy in South-America is more flexible.
As far as Asia is concerned, I don't know which operator sells white trinities.
CHT (Taiwanese) seems to sell (only?) black ones. Maybe you can try Dopod 810 in Hong Kong, which is SIM-locked like the M700.
But at least, you'll get WM6 ROM already on it. As Dopod users are the only ones who got WM6 upgrade officially.
Regards
White Trinity
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Hi
I just sold my TyTN, and want to upgrade to a Trinity, its smaller, and has a GPS which I will need.
However, I have this "strange" urge to only get the White one. I live in Hungary, and there are no White ones available. Can I order one from somewhere? I will also visit Hong Kong this coming September, and also Mainland China, can I fetch one from there?
Any suggestions are welcome,
Thanks
Ben
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http://www.networkingrus.com
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Hi
Thanks, wow, wish I had found it earlier, I just got a locked one from Ebay UK. Anyways, thanks a lot for the info, and perhaps I am better off from the UK then from the US for the simple fact that I dont pay any import taxes.
Great input all of you, really appreciate it. I am looking forward to the phone, and will be unlocking it at the very time I get it.
Cheers
Ben
I bought an Orange SPV M700 off Ebay the other day...Unlocked it and have spent ages trying to find a WM6 upgrade for it....Entered various sites but they will not accept S/N...This is driving me nuts....I even can't find out how to register the phone (not the sim)with Orange...Does all this mean I will have to wait for Orange to get it's act together?????
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I bought an Orange SPV M700 off Ebay the other day...Unlocked it and have spent ages trying to find a WM6 upgrade for it....Entered various sites but they will not accept S/N...This is driving me nuts....I even can't find out how to register the phone (not the sim)with Orange...Does all this mean I will have to wait for Orange to get it's act together?????
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Hi,
I think you can just upgrade any WM6 you wish to use. You may need to unlock the CID as well, did you?
I will start my phone with Unlocking it all, and upgrade to Dopod WM6. I am a bit afraid of cooked ROMs, as I am a rookie at this still
Cheers
Ben
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Hi,
I think you can just upgrade any WM6 you wish to use. You may need to unlock the CID as well, did you?
I will start my phone with Unlocking it all, and upgrade to Dopod WM6. I am a bit afraid of cooked ROMs, as I am a rookie at this still
Cheers
Ben
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It was suppose to be a complete unlock as I had to load another program for the GPRS....Been in I.T. for a very long time but all these acronyms blow my mind....What's CID?
Let me know how you get on Ben.
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It was suppose to be a complete unlock as I had to load another program for the GPRS....Been in I.T. for a very long time but all these acronyms blow my mind....What's CID?
Let me know how you get on Ben.
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Hi,
As I dont have the phone yet, I am only speaking from what I read here:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Trinity
And this is specific to the unlocking process:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Trinity_SimUnlock
And then you choose a ROM from here:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Trinity_Upgrades
And upgrade. As to tell you what CID is, I am not sure, but more experienced people refer to a phone which is unlocked for new ROMs as SuperCID.
If I wanted to give my best shot at guessing, this is what I would presume:
There is a SIM lock, and a CID lock. The SIM lock is obvious, prohibits you from inserting a Foreign SIM card to your original provider, in this case Orange.
CID is a lock that only allows HTC or ORANGE signed ROMs to be uploaded to the phone. One you unlock CID, you can upload any Cooked, or other but official ROMs. Like I said, I will choose the Dopod ROM, which supposed to be Official, but I am not sure Orange locked phones will allow that at all.
I (we I think) would be very much grateful for someone who could explain this in detail, and correct my mistakes above, as I assume I have a few.
Cheers
Ben
just for the info...
actually around asia the white trinity/dopod D810/HTC P3600 is a limited edition. It cost a little bit more than the black 1. And it is introduced a few months later after the 1st launching of the black one. i am not sure whether they still have in on asia market. As i was told, it was only sold on the market just for a few months. and i agreed the white ones is better than the black. especially for the bottom part of the casing. the chrome grey color, will tend to peel off easily.
just an info for u ..
Bebek_balap said:
just for the info...
actually around asia the white trinity/dopod D810/HTC P3600 is a limited edition. It cost a little bit more than the black 1. And it is introduced a few months later after the 1st launching of the black one. i am not sure whether they still have in on asia market. As i was told, it was only sold on the market just for a few months. and i agreed the white ones is better than the black. especially for the bottom part of the casing. the chrome grey color, will tend to peel off easily.
just an info for u ..
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Hi
Thanks for the info, actually I got mine on Ebay, it should arrive today. I ordered it from the UK, where Orange rolled it out.
Cheers
Ben