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Android / Mogul / Google Apps sync

I know that people are working on developing the Android platform for other phone, what I am wondering is this: will we ever be able to sync our google apps with the mogul (or any other phone) without running Android?
What I am wondering is this; I am using an exchange server right now, but come January/Febuary I am not going to have that option available anymore, so I was wondering if we will be able to sync our google apps at some point without having an Android phone...
I don't know much about hacking or the developement that goes into customizing Android, but it would seem like it would be possible to lift whatever part of the Android os that is being used for syncing the google apps, so that it could be used on other devices. It seems like this would be possible just like taking off touch flo, or any other built in program (I know it probably isn't quite that simple, I was just trying to explain my concept of things).
Will this be possible? Will we be limited to haveing a phone with Android os for this?

I know there isn't mass support for google apps on WM but there is the gmail Java App, which i use. I don't use this, but i know its out there, and its an app to sync your google calender with your WinMo calendar. I'll see if i can spot it and drop a link for you here.

parrott84 said:
will we ever be able to sync our google apps with the mogul (or any other phone) without running Android??
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who uses google 'apps'? lol. google.com is good for searching, and that's about it. all their side software has never impressed me or been usefull.

agreed. I and the majority of the people using windows mobile don't give a **** about google apps. I want android to just simply be bootable and stable from my sd card. I really don't want to run it all the time as windows mobile is second nature to me now.

Sweeny Russ said:
agreed. I and the majority of the people using windows mobile don't give a **** about google apps. I want android to just simply be bootable and stable from my sd card. I really don't want to run it all the time as windows mobile is second nature to me now.
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I second this.

THinking about moving to android, few questions...

Hi guys and gals,
Im thinking about moving from WinMo to Android. I was thinking about selling my Touch Pro 2 and buying the Galaxy S I9000, while waiting for the real treat Epic 4G come to Europe.
If you could help me with few questions...
I dont use any Google services, no gmail as I rather use myowndomain.com... I want to sync with Outlook via usb; contacts, calendar and tasks... Is there good sync software out there?
The main reason for me to have a brick for a cell phone, is that I dont need always have a laptop with me. This brings me to opening and editing office apps; I found "Documents to Go" that seems to be OK, anyone using it?
To me its also important to automatically sync folders while syncing with Outlook, any good programs for that? Ive been using MobSync with WinMo and I guess it could work with this too? I found also Microsoft SyncToy, never tried it though...
Can I get my tasks listed on Android today screen like on WinMo? I need to have be reminded of my tasks, otherwise I would spend ½ of my day reading at XDA and not doing any of the things Im supposed to do...
Any comments and help is appreciated... Thanks!

i'm myself a WinMob convert.
I also use myOwnInsertDomainNameHere.com for my own business, however i use google apps, and i control my domain via Google.
Google Apps is free and easy to use, you gain all the great benefits, you should consider switching.
You can still use your own Exchange or whatever server you happend to be running, it doesn;t really matter, you don't really need Google to use Android
but using Google, will make the convert a heck of a lot easier, else you'll need to figure out a way to export / import your contact list to your new android phone.
by far the best and easiest way to sync contacts between WinMob and Android is via Google Contacts
you do not need Google Apps for that, just a generic Gmail Account.

Loco5150 said:
This brings me to opening and editing office apps; I found "Documents to Go" that seems to be OK, anyone using it?
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It comes with ThinkOffice, which is pretty much the same as Docs to go.

AllGamer said:
you'll need to figure out a way to export / import your contact list to your new android phone.
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I found HTC Sync, but it seems only to sync contacts and calendar.. I read that it should work on Galaxy too. Cant test it as I havent bought the phone yet.
The more I read in to this the more I get the feeling Android is not for me. I really hate any company trying to force me to do anything.

Loco5150 said:
I found HTC Sync, but it seems only to sync contacts and calendar.. I read that it should work on Galaxy too. Cant test it as I havent bought the phone yet.
The more I read in to this the more I get the feeling Android is not for me. I really hate any company trying to force me to do anything.
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Htc sync works with samsung galaxy s too? Do you have a link to where you saw that? This is one area that piss me off a great deal, that I'm not able to sync my contact and calendar to my outlook on my PC. Had to manually reenter my calendar each time I do a hard reset now, and not all my contact records go over so now I only have partial picture. I have no intention of handing over my private data to the cloud.

http://androidforums.com/samsung-i7500/10804-htc-sync.html
I donwloaded htc_sync_2.0.33, found it right away with google. If you cant find it send me a PM and ill send you the link.

Samsung galaxy is not the same phone as galaxy S, but still it looks promising. Ive no idea how to make it work though.

if you use outlook a lot, you might find that samsung kies is not very good. It have a lot of problem connecting to your phone, let alone syncing with Outlook.

I would assume that if HTC Sync works with one Samsung Android phone it works with this one too...
Android seems like an nice operating system, but I aint about to transfer all my life to google. Im little paranoid like that, I dont think its a good thing to have a company in control of wast ammounts of people's personal stuff.
Dont get me wrong. I have no secrets and I know if someone wanted to they can get my data just as easily even if Im using myowndomain.com, but just the thought that so many people have their personal stuff at Google's servers make me feel little uneasy. Who knows what they decide to do with them in the future.

Glad you're not sleeping. How your calendar and contact could be used?
How about:
- government forcing google to hand this data to them, to find out what you were doing via your calendar?
- criminal taking the personal details of your friends and steal their identity, then commit all sorts of crime with it?
Syncing over the cloud is okay for business I guess. For personal use? No thanks. Nothing to do with whether I've anything to hide.

Yeah and you don’t even need to think about it on the personal level…
The thought of one company having the personal emails, appointments, contacts and everything of millions and millions of people makes me sick. Maybe even whereabouts (using Google maps! Haven’t looked at it, but I would assume they have the access to this info too)
Just knowing the greed people have, I see this type of thing bring problems in the future. Im not saying Google has a hidden agenda now, but who knows what and who will be running the operations in 15 years or something.
I don’t mind Google selling their operating system that has an option to use their services, but when they make it mandatory, there’s a problem.

Even if google is really not evil, what's there to stop evil people from hacking into their server? Google couldn't stop the Chinese and Russians from doing that in the past, and certainly won't be able to in the future.

I have a winning bid on Galaxy S closing soon... I made it yesterday before really reading about the android enough... I kind of hope that I wont win it, I probably only have to sell it if I do.
But if not android then what? WinMo7 seems to be a failure in many ways what I have read about it (which is not much though have to admit and I could be wrong)
I really hope Nokia gets their act back together and make their Symbian^3 / Symbian^4 operating systems GOOD... I read that Nokia made a deal with Microsoft to start having Office on Nokia phones, that with the real FREE navigation (Google maps is not free navigation, you need data, when out of your own country your better off hiring a personal chauffeur). If Nokia makes good hardware with the things mentioned above, they could be on their way again... If not, I dont know... The idea of using WimMo 6.5 much longer does not feel like a reasonable choice either.

Uhhhh, I am the proud owner of a new Galaxy S

Loco5150 said:
Uhhhh, I am the proud owner of a new Galaxy S
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Congrats! and welcome to the club
yes, WM7 sucks big time, i saw videos of it, it was all over the news yesterday.
and WM6.5 is not that great either if your device is already on WM6.1 it's just some interface change, and API coding change.

Nobody dares to suggest the most obvious option which I'm taking?

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Nobody dares to suggest the most obvious option which I'm taking?
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Please do..?

Loco5150 said:
Please do..?
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Haha. You know that will start a war here. Just check all my previous posts.

Haha ok, iPhone... Well I want to use Office and also like I wrote before, I definitely want a HV keyboard and was just thinking of getting Galaxy S as a temporary phone before getting the Epic 4g when it arrives to europe.
Im not a MAC person... I feel their products are mainly for people who really dont know how to use computers etc. I bought an iPod for my girlfried for x-mas sometime ago... I dont get that, it makes you to sync everything with itunes, haha, well I would prefer drag n drop the album I want to my player. Now that she's getting annoyed by iPod/iTunes all her albums are in iTunes and i dont know can she get them back to normal mp3 anymore.
I think this is so funny and there is a small truth in it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg

Congratulations for winning the bid anyway, hope you like it. BTW, have you really owned all those truckloads of phones before ? Hahaha, which one had the longest life?

Android Cyanogen-Gmail question

Been here on the XDA a while but bought a Vibrant to check it out. I currently have an HD2 and am very familiar with Winmo but not android.
I have a few questions that I need seasoned android users to help me with. Now...before I get a beating, I have searched the XDA, google, android forums for about 2 days now and while I do have a lot of clarification on many of my questions. There are a few which are still unclear.
I for one do not like any of my information in "cloud" computing. So no contacts, calanders, tasks, etc. I feel that is is nobodys business what I do whether right or wrong and I have read a million posts on how safe or good google is but I really don't care.
Now, while I like winmo, yep it is dated, don't know how win 7 will be so I am experimenting with android. My questions are as follows:
Does cyanogen remove all google specific apps and association with google. Yes, I can use the phone without loging into google. I know I can manually install aps via rooting, SDK and .apk files which is all good so I can circumvent the system. I do use google maps quite a bit so I want that funtionality. I also have yahoo mail accounts for all my emails so I dont need any more. I also have a google account for check out but the phone asks for a gmail account which I will not open up!
So If anyone can help me whith this answer, please let me know so I can keep the phone, If not then its going back although I really really like it.
Thanks

cyanogen removes google apps *you have to flash them seperately from the rom if you want them*.... but I'll be honest, I can't imagine using android if you are going to cripple it like that....

Cyanogen doesn't include Google Apps within his ROM because Google sent a C&D about it not because he wants to not include them. The Google applications is packaged in a seperate package. Yes its optional but those applications are what makes Android what it is. It is a HUGE component of the OS.
Google doesn't go around sniffing on people's data either, check out the privacy policy for the whole deal.

zephiK said:
Cyanogen doesn't include Google Apps within his ROM because Google sent a C&D about it not because he wants to not include them. The Google applications is packaged in a seperate package. Yes its optional but those applications are what makes Android what it is. It is a HUGE component of the OS.
Google doesn't go around sniffing on people's data either, check out the privacy policy for the whole deal.
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I would love to believe you but I am "cynical" in a way that I dont believe and questions many of the things they are doing. I don't like facebook or myspace and twitter is only to follow the folks on XDA! This is good and bad but it is who I am. Also, Google just got in bed with the CIA and NSA so while this is not new...it is the future(there new project is called "recorded future). I wonder why the FTC has not gone after google as it did Microsft for locking people into Internet Explorer years ago?

Anyone tried the "jailbreak" yet?

has anyone tried this yet...
http://www.chevronwp7.com/post/1679668269/windows-phone-7-unlocker-released#disqus_thread
i did it to mine but now need some 3rd party apps to try.. the hello world app is the only one ive found...

kawgirlval69 said:
has anyone tried this yet...
http://www.chevronwp7.com/post/1679668269/windows-phone-7-unlocker-released#disqus_thread
i did it to mine but now need some 3rd party apps to try.. the hello world app is the only one ive found...
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More importantly, anyone else getting a virus hit on the file by the name of WS.Reputation.1?

I posted on this subject in the development thread.
I wasn't sure if this subject belongs here or there.
Now comes an article raising the possibility of the phone being blacklisted on the marketplace when MS detects the unlock has taken place:
http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010/11/25/windows-phone-7-unlocker-released/

Worse than a virus hit. I actually got it. It changed my host file by adding a couple localhost redirects... Every time I clicked on a Google seach result, it would redirect me to some crappy excuse of a search engine. Relatively easy to fix though.

no virus hit and havent encountered the redirect problem... am wondering the same with the blacklist issue but i guess it will be a wait and see as with most unlock/jailbreak issues...

n8huntsman said:
Worse than a virus hit. I actually got it. It changed my host file by adding a couple localhost redirects... Every time I clicked on a Google seach result, it would redirect me to some crappy excuse of a search engine. Relatively easy to fix though.
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LOL...man, is this typical or what? I can see this Windows Phone business is going to be an uphill struggle every step of every way. Swell.

wildbilll said:
I posted on this subject in the development thread.
I wasn't sure if this subject belongs here or there.
Now comes an article raising the possibility of the phone being blacklisted on the marketplace when MS detects the unlock has taken place:
http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010/11/25/windows-phone-7-unlocker-released/
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While MS might know if you unlock your phone to sideload apps I don't think they'll take the step of banning a user completely from the marketplace. Doing so would backfire because there is no way this user is ever going to pay for an app; he'll be forced to look for cracked ones, not something MS would want.
Also from this message, it doesn't seem they are taking this sideloading business too seriously, which is good. Now XDA, please bring on some goodies. I need a File Explorer and a Media Player like free version of old Core Player

rexian said:
While MS might know if you unlock your phone to sideload apps I don't think they'll take the step of banning a user completely from the marketplace. Doing so would backfire because there is no way this user is ever going to pay for an app; he'll be forced to look for cracked ones, not something MS would want.
Also from this message, it doesn't seem they are taking this sideloading business too seriously, which is good. Now XDA, please bring on some goodies. I need a File Explorer and a Media Player like free version of old Core Player
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i THINK THAT WOULD DEPEND ON JUST HOW MANY PEOPLE UNLOCK THEIR PHONES... KILLING A FEW THOUSAND TO SEND A MESSAGE MIGHT JUST BE WHAT MS DOES..

I'm FINALLY Sold!

I was a long time Windows Mobile user. Having started on a PDA (Dell Axim) and then moving on to a Cingular HTC model and finally an HTC Fuse. I was pretty excited about Windows Phone 7 but when the wait became too long, I finally went to Android. At the time, I was a little miffed about no Outlook Syncing and VPN on Windows Phone 7 (which I could do via Google's services and CompanionLink) so I've gone through two upgrades of my Android Phones, all Samsung’s (Currently with Skyrocket.) I also own the pretty awesome ASUS Transformer Prime tablet. My work phone is the lackluster (but only Verizon option) Windows Phone 7 HTC Trophy. So, I do get a Windows 7 fix but find that I rarely use it. But, I've always pulled for Windows Phone to succeed.
I enjoy Android to an extend but my life revolved around Windows (work and home) and I often find that I can't do much productive work on the Android platform. I love to consume media (Flipboard and Google Reader mainly) but even with my keyboard dock, I just can't feel productive.
That all looks to change for me with SURFACE, Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8. I love the one ecosystem that is finally coming to shape (I am also an XBOX owner) and the Pro line of the SURFACE tablets look to be what I am looking for. Windows Phone 8 looks to make some impressive improvements and the wait for both Surface and Windows Phone 8 devices seems to be pretty hard.
Can't wait!

I am in complete agreement about the Microsoft ecosystem coming together.
I had several WinMo 5.x and 6.x phones ending with the slow to age HD2.
I went to Android by choice and find HTC's Android Sense works in the business world very well. However, iPads and Android tablets are truly consumption devices and painful for much else.
Apple and Android are being attacked on a front they didn't see coming. Microsoft dominates livingrooms with Xbox. They also dominate in computer OS. However, people demand portability and simplicity.
Microsoft Surface easily replaces, laptop, tablet and e-reader....in a GUI that they have begun to learn with Xbox and possibly Windows Phone 7.
How fantastic to have one Metro GUI for every aspect of your life....coupled with high quality, cutting edge hardware.
FINALLY MICROSOFT!!
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And I will echo you again. The ecosystem is what is what is drawing me. I've had good times with Android but I don't want to be a hybrid when it comes to my gadgets. The wait for WP8 and Surface is going to be hard.
Until then, I'll continue to enjoy my Droid tablet and phone and play a lot of WOPR:Wargames!

I'm really excited about this too.
I've always thought the windows kernel is just top notch in a lot of ways. It's great to see Microsoft finally push this stuff into the phone. The convergence of the desktop and phone ecosystems can only mean good things for us devs and the end-user.

Good software is the key of mobile market,Microsoft showed us with Wp7 most important thing was not hardware.Wp7 was faster and stabler than android even with poor hardware.And now Wp8 coming harder.I am very exciting for native game development on wp8.I think wp8 phones will be best platform for gaming..
And metro ui is original and useful..

Do Windows Phones sync well with Google Services? (Calendar, contacts, etc.) That is really my favorite function of my Android phone is the syncing of Google Services.

garak0410 said:
Do Windows Phones sync well with Google Services? (Calendar, contacts, etc.) That is really my favorite function of my Android phone is the syncing of Google Services.
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If you are going to buy into the Microsoft ecosystem, I would ditch Google Services. Instead, try Microsoft's equivalent, Hotmail. You set it up as an Exchange server. All calendar, email and contacts sync.
Is there any reason you are attached to Google stuff?
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willgill said:
If you are going to buy into the Microsoft ecosystem, I would ditch Google Services. Instead, try Microsoft's equivalent, Hotmail. You set it up as an Exchange server. All calendar, email and contacts sync.
Is there any reason you are attached to Google stuff?
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Not so much attached but liking it. Google Reader and YouTube are my favorite mobile apps and I hope someone will finally make good versions of them for Windows Phone. I do like syncing with Outlook via CompanionLink and I think they have a sync for Windows Phone/Live too...

Use SuperTube for your YouTube-worries. It gets the job done nicely (also allows downloading of Videos btw.). MetroTube looked a little nicer but it's gone due to pressure from Google to remove it.
As for Sync: Google somewhat supports the Exchange Active Sync Protocol so you can sync your Contacts, E-Mail and Appointments from your GMail Account. Due to the fact that the protocol was developed for Microsoft's Exchange Server it does not support Features in GMail that don't exist on other platforms - you would have to check to see if you're using some of those.
Also sometimes Google has been slow to allow certain features they allow for other platforms (for whatever reason). E.g. WP7 learned in Version 7.5 to sync multiple calendars/account. It took several months before that worked with GMail - problem being that Google's servers didn't offer the other calendars.
Apps accessing Google Reader should be available in the Marketplace.
I'm not using Google services aside from YouTube so I can't be more specific. Hope it helps anyway.

garak0410 said:
Not so much attached but liking it. Google Reader and YouTube are my favorite mobile apps and I hope someone will finally make good versions of them for Windows Phone. I do like syncing with Outlook via CompanionLink and I think they have a sync for Windows Phone/Live too...
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Oh, and forgot to mention Google Music...I did download the Google Music App for my HTC Trophy but it has a ways to go.
If the XBOX Music player will allow for playlists for streaming music and allow those playlists to sync between the phone, Surface, PC and XBOX, then I won't need Google Music! Or even Spotify!

garak0410 said:
Do Windows Phones sync well with Google Services? (Calendar, contacts, etc.) That is really my favorite function of my Android phone is the syncing of Google Services.
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Yes my phone syncs with google contacts, google calendar and gmail including saving contacts to google.
For Youtube I use Youtube Pro.
For gmail I use IM+
I don't use google reader so not sure about that one.

v_garg said:
Yes my phone syncs with google contacts, google calendar and gmail including saving contacts to google.
For Youtube I use Youtube Pro.
For gmail I use IM+
I don't use google reader so not sure about that one.
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I am convinced I can move my syncing over to live without a problem. I can still do YouTube and Google Reader through those third party apps. I am digging Flipboard for my Google Reader stuff, so here's hoping it will come to the Metro Ecosystem.

garak0410 said:
Oh, and forgot to mention Google Music...I did download the Google Music App for my HTC Trophy but it has a ways to go.
If the XBOX Music player will allow for playlists for streaming music and allow those playlists to sync between the phone, Surface, PC and XBOX, then I won't need Google Music! Or even Spotify!
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There's 3 Google Music apps that I can see in the market.
Gooroovster (free while in beta)
Cloud City Music (free)
CloudMuzik ($1)
I used Gooroovster and it's great. Looks and acts like the stock WP7.5 music player.
I'd be surprised if MS didn't make their own cloud music service for Windows Phone 8.
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I was unbelievably sceptical about Microsoft gaining any real traction with the new WP, but it does look like it's going to come into its own within the next year so. I personally was put off before because of a lack of high-resolution displays (which the OS didn't even support AFAIK) so will be on Android for the next year or so, but I'm hoping next time around I can seriously consider Windows Phone 8 or its successor.

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Use SuperTube for your YouTube-worries. It gets the job done nicely (also allows downloading of Videos btw.). MetroTube looked a little nicer but it's gone due to pressure from Google to remove it.
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Slightly off topic, but I find PrimeTube to be a worthy successor to MetroTube
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My Live account is actually my Gmail address, so I have them both synched up to my phone (contacts, calendars and emails). The aforementioned PrimeTube has my Youtube subscriptions covered. I'm not sure what else you could want, besides Google+, but with the Facebook and Twitter functionality on WP being the way it is... I kind of forget about my Google+ account.
Edit: I find Windows Phone is a slow burn. At first everyone I knew sort of shunned it and was all "Why would you even want a Windows Phone?" but as time wore on I've won over a few converts, and I'm seeing more and more people dissatisfied with their current smart phones... and it's not over stuff that can be fixed without major overhauls (like just the way things work, UI and so on).
A friend of mine got an Omnia 7 cheap unlocked after owning an iPhone and an Xperia of some sort. She was never happy with a smart phone until she got onboard with WP. My mum too. Smart phones were always too complicated for her, but now she's finally joined the computer age. My sister has had an Omnia 7 for a while as well after being intensely frustrated with her old iPhone, and she's convinced her partner to get one (it was pretty easy after he realised Office was on there. If I knew that was all it took to convince him I would have said sooner lol).
Anyway I guess my point is, Windows Phone is getting there. Slowly, but surely. Windows Phone 8 is definitely the dramatic step forward the platform needs. I'm pretty happy to have been on board from the get go, and I'm excited to see where things lead

Demaar said:
Slightly off topic, but I find PrimeTube to be a worthy successor to MetroTube
My Live account is actually my Gmail address, so I have them both synched up to my phone (contacts, calendars and emails). The aforementioned PrimeTube has my Youtube subscriptions covered. I'm not sure what else you could want, besides Google+, but with the Facebook and Twitter functionality on WP being the way it is... I kind of forget about my Google+ account.
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Thank's for all of the app tips. I am not a "Google" fanboy but when I finally let them take me to the cloud with my contacts, email, RSS feeds and podcasts, I kind of liked it. All of their apps are a joy to use (Google Reader, YouTube, Maps, Listen.)
But I am ready to transition to Surface/Windows Phone 8. If it wasn't a bad "buy", I'd pick up an old TITAN until the WP8's come out so I can begin my transition to Microsoft services. My work issued Verizon HTC Trophy just doesn't cut it yet...

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Slightly off-topic, but in case you guys didn't know, MetroTube is back in the Marketplace
It's by far the smoothest and most functional WP7 app that I've used.
Also, with your original post about being 'into' the Google ecosystem--I was like that when I used Android, and then I gradually switched over a lot of my services to the Live equivalents (hotmail, calendar, etc). I found that the first party app integrations were much more reliable than the third party clients.

garak0410 said:
And I will echo you again. The ecosystem is what is what is drawing me. I've had good times with Android but I don't want to be a hybrid when it comes to my gadgets. The wait for WP8 and Surface is going to be hard.
Until then, I'll continue to enjoy my Droid tablet and phone and play a lot of WOPR:Wargames!
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I am in the same boat.

Cant agree with all of you more. Been using WP& on my HD2 since the early days of its release. I cant/wont use anything else now. All my RSS/email/Office on tap! Even able to connect the phone to my classroom projector for my Powerpoints! My phone is slowing dying however and can not find anything i like to replace my HD2WP7(64GB). I may have to wait until WP8 or unless i can find a 2nd hand HD2!
Last month i bought a Samsung series 7 Slate with Win8 and love it. I use it for work, i use it along with my phone (connection to the phones 3G WiFi) and regulary annoy my iPad/android mates by playing Civ5 and other games on my slate.
Ive always believed that if Microsoft pulled their finger out, they could easily group all their systems together (PC/Phones/Consoles/Online services) and win the market. Its starting to ring true as just this month, 4 friends got rid of their iPhones for WP7 after their phones broke/crashed/stopped working.
People need to stop being fooled by fake advertising and apple design and move away from the dark side to app intergration and one platform!
Anyway, my rant over! Keep it up Microsoft!

I was sold on the Windows phone concept in the days of the Zune HD, which was leaps and bounds ahead of its time (well, ahead by a few years at least) in terms of fluidity and interface. I really love the direction that Microsoft has taken with the next generation of its OS, and I was very happy to see Surface premiered.
The only problem I had when I was using the ZHD was the very limited market for apps it provided, but that seems to be a thing of the past.