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Hey all, haven't been around in a while.. Just bought a G1, and this had to be my first stop
So I turn it on and it's asking for my Google account. This is all good, but I'm quite attached to my tin foil hat and would rather not have my (losable) phone attached to my online persona.
Is there anyway around this? Or, if I set it up now, can I flash the phone to one of these JF firmwares and avoid Google that way? I've got my own calendar/email setup already, separate from gmail et al.
And you're wondering why I bought a Google phone when I don't want them to have my info.. Well, so am I :/
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mafro UK
The adp builds let you skip the login process but obviously calendar, gmail, and even the market won't work without your google account. I'd advise you to at least create a phony account for it. You'd want the ADP1.1h image from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=475381 to skip it
So the functionality of the phone is seriously impaired without linking to Google's services? If so, then I'm happy using a fake account for getting onto the Marketplace. Gmail isn't needed, but ill have a look at the calendar..
I spose it's worth rooting and then flashing the phone anyway right? Some of the other threads on here suggest it's worthwhile..
Thanks for your help
You want to use the google phone, made for google, running an OS made by google but you don't trust google and don't want to access google services?
Maybe it isn't the phone for you.
It'd be sort of like buying an iPhone but not wanting to use apple services.
If you've just got it I'm sure you can ebay it and get your money back.
Yeah.. that's kinda the point I finished with in my original post :S
Really I wanted a phone which runs Linux, has a keyboard and an SSH client. G1 covers all that - Windows Mobile sucks ass, and I've got an iPod Touch and decided I didnt want the closedness of an iPhone to go with it..
I'm flashing it upto JF 1.41 RC8 now.. Woop
hm. windows mobile doesn't suck ass and it provides all you are searching for.
there are devices with keyboards and there is pocket putty.
you could also get yourself an Universal, put linux on it and you have what you want.
Okay so the "sucks ass" comment is a matter of opinion
I've run with Windows for 3 years now, albeit without a keyboard. Just got fed up of the Start Menu / Settings paradigm.. I want a command prompt!
Anyway, you're right, there are other ways of doing it - the G1 is just the right size for my pocket and I get to play with the Android platform as it matures.. Shame it's all about Google. Just my 2 cents of tin foil.
without google, android would still be nowhere, imho
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without google, android would still be nowhere, imho
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thats kinda like saying windows would be nowhere without microsoft or OSX would be nowhere without apple. it goes without saying :/
erm...wasn't android bought by google?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system)
Not exactly, android was invented/created by Google in the same manor that windows was created by Microsoft.
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Not exactly, android was invented/created by Google in the same manor that windows was created by Microsoft.
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I guess technically you can say it is similar to how Gates acquired DOS LOL he stole it... and Google paid for android. I think even Google admits to paying for it.
For me having it all integrated into Google is one perks of having a g1. I love having all my info sync online and accessible on any computer I go to.
Hi guys and gals,
Im thinking about moving from WinMo to Android. I was thinking about selling my Touch Pro 2 and buying the Galaxy S I9000, while waiting for the real treat Epic 4G come to Europe.
If you could help me with few questions...
I dont use any Google services, no gmail as I rather use myowndomain.com... I want to sync with Outlook via usb; contacts, calendar and tasks... Is there good sync software out there?
The main reason for me to have a brick for a cell phone, is that I dont need always have a laptop with me. This brings me to opening and editing office apps; I found "Documents to Go" that seems to be OK, anyone using it?
To me its also important to automatically sync folders while syncing with Outlook, any good programs for that? Ive been using MobSync with WinMo and I guess it could work with this too? I found also Microsoft SyncToy, never tried it though...
Can I get my tasks listed on Android today screen like on WinMo? I need to have be reminded of my tasks, otherwise I would spend ½ of my day reading at XDA and not doing any of the things Im supposed to do...
Any comments and help is appreciated... Thanks!
i'm myself a WinMob convert.
I also use myOwnInsertDomainNameHere.com for my own business, however i use google apps, and i control my domain via Google.
Google Apps is free and easy to use, you gain all the great benefits, you should consider switching.
You can still use your own Exchange or whatever server you happend to be running, it doesn;t really matter, you don't really need Google to use Android
but using Google, will make the convert a heck of a lot easier, else you'll need to figure out a way to export / import your contact list to your new android phone.
by far the best and easiest way to sync contacts between WinMob and Android is via Google Contacts
you do not need Google Apps for that, just a generic Gmail Account.
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This brings me to opening and editing office apps; I found "Documents to Go" that seems to be OK, anyone using it?
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It comes with ThinkOffice, which is pretty much the same as Docs to go.
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you'll need to figure out a way to export / import your contact list to your new android phone.
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I found HTC Sync, but it seems only to sync contacts and calendar.. I read that it should work on Galaxy too. Cant test it as I havent bought the phone yet.
The more I read in to this the more I get the feeling Android is not for me. I really hate any company trying to force me to do anything.
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I found HTC Sync, but it seems only to sync contacts and calendar.. I read that it should work on Galaxy too. Cant test it as I havent bought the phone yet.
The more I read in to this the more I get the feeling Android is not for me. I really hate any company trying to force me to do anything.
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Htc sync works with samsung galaxy s too? Do you have a link to where you saw that? This is one area that piss me off a great deal, that I'm not able to sync my contact and calendar to my outlook on my PC. Had to manually reenter my calendar each time I do a hard reset now, and not all my contact records go over so now I only have partial picture. I have no intention of handing over my private data to the cloud.
http://androidforums.com/samsung-i7500/10804-htc-sync.html
I donwloaded htc_sync_2.0.33, found it right away with google. If you cant find it send me a PM and ill send you the link.
Samsung galaxy is not the same phone as galaxy S, but still it looks promising. Ive no idea how to make it work though.
if you use outlook a lot, you might find that samsung kies is not very good. It have a lot of problem connecting to your phone, let alone syncing with Outlook.
I would assume that if HTC Sync works with one Samsung Android phone it works with this one too...
Android seems like an nice operating system, but I aint about to transfer all my life to google. Im little paranoid like that, I dont think its a good thing to have a company in control of wast ammounts of people's personal stuff.
Dont get me wrong. I have no secrets and I know if someone wanted to they can get my data just as easily even if Im using myowndomain.com, but just the thought that so many people have their personal stuff at Google's servers make me feel little uneasy. Who knows what they decide to do with them in the future.
Glad you're not sleeping. How your calendar and contact could be used?
How about:
- government forcing google to hand this data to them, to find out what you were doing via your calendar?
- criminal taking the personal details of your friends and steal their identity, then commit all sorts of crime with it?
Syncing over the cloud is okay for business I guess. For personal use? No thanks. Nothing to do with whether I've anything to hide.
Yeah and you don’t even need to think about it on the personal level…
The thought of one company having the personal emails, appointments, contacts and everything of millions and millions of people makes me sick. Maybe even whereabouts (using Google maps! Haven’t looked at it, but I would assume they have the access to this info too)
Just knowing the greed people have, I see this type of thing bring problems in the future. Im not saying Google has a hidden agenda now, but who knows what and who will be running the operations in 15 years or something.
I don’t mind Google selling their operating system that has an option to use their services, but when they make it mandatory, there’s a problem.
Even if google is really not evil, what's there to stop evil people from hacking into their server? Google couldn't stop the Chinese and Russians from doing that in the past, and certainly won't be able to in the future.
I have a winning bid on Galaxy S closing soon... I made it yesterday before really reading about the android enough... I kind of hope that I wont win it, I probably only have to sell it if I do.
But if not android then what? WinMo7 seems to be a failure in many ways what I have read about it (which is not much though have to admit and I could be wrong)
I really hope Nokia gets their act back together and make their Symbian^3 / Symbian^4 operating systems GOOD... I read that Nokia made a deal with Microsoft to start having Office on Nokia phones, that with the real FREE navigation (Google maps is not free navigation, you need data, when out of your own country your better off hiring a personal chauffeur). If Nokia makes good hardware with the things mentioned above, they could be on their way again... If not, I dont know... The idea of using WimMo 6.5 much longer does not feel like a reasonable choice either.
Uhhhh, I am the proud owner of a new Galaxy S
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Uhhhh, I am the proud owner of a new Galaxy S
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Congrats! and welcome to the club
yes, WM7 sucks big time, i saw videos of it, it was all over the news yesterday.
and WM6.5 is not that great either if your device is already on WM6.1 it's just some interface change, and API coding change.
Nobody dares to suggest the most obvious option which I'm taking?
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Nobody dares to suggest the most obvious option which I'm taking?
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Please do..?
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Please do..?
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Haha. You know that will start a war here. Just check all my previous posts.
Haha ok, iPhone... Well I want to use Office and also like I wrote before, I definitely want a HV keyboard and was just thinking of getting Galaxy S as a temporary phone before getting the Epic 4g when it arrives to europe.
Im not a MAC person... I feel their products are mainly for people who really dont know how to use computers etc. I bought an iPod for my girlfried for x-mas sometime ago... I dont get that, it makes you to sync everything with itunes, haha, well I would prefer drag n drop the album I want to my player. Now that she's getting annoyed by iPod/iTunes all her albums are in iTunes and i dont know can she get them back to normal mp3 anymore.
I think this is so funny and there is a small truth in it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg
Congratulations for winning the bid anyway, hope you like it. BTW, have you really owned all those truckloads of phones before ? Hahaha, which one had the longest life?
I keep on seeing warnings about needing to reinstall gapps after flashing a new or updated ROM. But which, if any, of these apps are really necessary? Does one only need to install or reinstall the apps that one might want to use?
I ask this because I consider google to be a part, sometimes voluntarily and perhaps sometimes under government pressure, of the (inter-)governmental and corporate Total Information Awareness apparatus. I have not used market and hope to continue finding apps by searching the web (perhaps ironically, mostly using google).
Can anyone suggest any forums for those who want to individually and collectively make use of Android and other modern web technologies without facilitating government/corporate snooping on ourselves or others?
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I keep on seeing warnings about needing to reinstall gapps after flashing a new or updated ROM. But which, if any, of these apps are really necessary? Does one only need to install or reinstall the apps that one might want to use?
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If you don't want or use Market/Play Store, you don't need any. Calendar, Contacts, etc work fine with the versions that come with the ROM. They just won't sync with google to move your info to your other devices.
Of course you realize that by using phrases such as, "government pressure, (inter-)governmental, Total Information Awareness, government/corporate snooping and the like you are triggering the `bots' algorithms. Which will cause them to record your info for further scrutiny. Much easier to do it that way than to try to get a court order to subpoena Google's records in a fishing expedition.
The government knows about me and my hostility towards it, under my legal name and a number of alternatives. I am interested, however, in making it hard for the government, google, Amazon, Barnes and Noble, et al., to trace activity that I, but mainly others, do under various identities from mobile devices via public hot spots. Of course, this requires creation of ad-hoc MAC addresses as well.
I suddenly feel like I'm in the movie Hackers.
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I suddenly feel like I'm in the movie Hackers.
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I'd rather be in Cuckoo's Egg.
Greetings, all!
I would like to preface my question the way I always do when posting here: I am a fairly recently blind individual, and my visual aid software does NOT "play nice" with the XDA Forum search feature at ALL; due to this, sometimes I don't catch previously asked questions, though I do my best to check for them.
All that aside, I have a question that has been plaguing me for quite some time. I am what I would consider to be an intermediate(ish) Android user. I am dipping my toes into the pool of app modification and scripting, but I am afraid this is beyond my knowledge.
I am currently using a rooted "vanilla" Samsung Galaxy Note 4 (SM-N910T), running 4.4.4. I am expecting a barrage of "why?" and "what for?" comments, but I use two separate Facebook accounts. I am a part of a rather...underground subculture, and I prefer to keep that part of my identity separate. Due to this fact -- as well as my needs as a blind individual -- the usual suspects: browser windows, Seesmic, SocialCamp, Friendster, etc., do not work with my visual impairment modifications on my device. I have done extensive research on the subject and thus, I am searching desperately for assistance in cloning the Facebook app itself. I am thinking of cloning the Facebook APK file manually in order to run my two separate accounts. I know there are other apps that are frequently cloned, such as Instagram or WhatsApp, where the general consensus is to use the "APK Editor" app, but I am concerned about the implications that would have on future app updates and the app's signature and integration with normal Facebook features and other apps that connect to Facebook.
I have combed the web exhaustively in order to glean whatever info I could on this subject, but there is literally almost NOTHING regarding the Facebook app specifically. I do not wish to clone the app for sharing or to build upon it for a "new and improved" app of my own devise -- I simply wish to modify this for my own personal use ONLY.
I really appreciate any and all tips, hints, and shared knowledge in general that this community so generously provides. I will try whatever it takes! Thanks in advance!
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Greetings, all!
I would like to preface my question the way I always do when posting here: I am a fairly recently blind individual, and my visual aid software does NOT "play nice" with the XDA Forum search feature at ALL; due to this, sometimes I don't catch previously asked questions, though I do my best to check for them.
All that aside, I have a question that has been plaguing me for quite some time. I am what I would consider to be an intermediate(ish) Android user. I am dipping my toes into the pool of app modification and scripting, but I am afraid this is beyond my knowledge.
I am currently using a rooted "vanilla" Samsung Galaxy Note 4 (SM-N910T), running 4.4.4. I am expecting a barrage of "why?" and "what for?" comments, but I use two separate Facebook accounts. I am a part of a rather...underground subculture, and I prefer to keep that part of my identity separate. Due to this fact -- as well as my needs as a blind individual -- the usual suspects: browser windows, Seesmic, SocialCamp, Friendster, etc., do not work with my visual impairment modifications on my device. I have done extensive research on the subject and thus, I am searching desperately for assistance in cloning the Facebook app itself. I am thinking of cloning the Facebook APK file manually in order to run my two separate accounts. I know there are other apps that are frequently cloned, such as Instagram or WhatsApp, where the general consensus is to use the "APK Editor" app, but I am concerned about the implications that would have on future app updates and the app's signature and integration with normal Facebook features and other apps that connect to Facebook.
I have combed the web exhaustively in order to glean whatever info I could on this subject, but there is literally almost NOTHING regarding the Facebook app specifically. I do not wish to clone the app for sharing or to build upon it for a "new and improved" app of my own devise -- I simply wish to modify this for my own personal use ONLY.
I really appreciate any and all tips, hints, and shared knowledge in general that this community so generously provides. I will try whatever it takes! Thanks in advance!
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Try using Facebook and a Facebook clone app like Klyph. I haven't used Klyph myself, but it should do everything Facebook does.
I'd use the official Facebook app with the account you use most often. Then Klyph with the account you use less often. But that's just me.
I really hope this works for you! Good luck!
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.abewy.klyph_beta
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Try using Facebook and a Facebook clone app like Klyph. I haven't used Klyph myself, but it should do everything Facebook does.
I'd use the official Facebook app with the account you use most often. Then Klyph with the account you use less often. But that's just me.
I really hope this works for you! Good luck!
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.abewy.klyph_beta
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Thanks so much for your input. I will give it a shot and report the results.
Sent from my Samsung SM-N910T using XDA mobile app.
To bad u r rooted, otherwise setting up Knox would be anything you could wish for @XRivetGirlX. With Knox setup you could run multiple facebook identity's and switch very easy between the 2
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Thanks for the input I am afraid that I am a little too "root-happy" and could never refrain!
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To bad u r rooted, otherwise setting up Knox would be anything you could wish for @XRivetGirlX. With Knox setup you could run multiple facebook identity's and switch very easy between the 2
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Rooting prevents installing knox?
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Rooting prevents installing knox?
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Yup , I'm afraid so , no knox and root!:angel:
Not sure if the OP found a solution or not, but I can suggest one.
As you are rooted, may be you can try the profiles feature of Titanium backup Pro (paid version only).
You can create several profiles. And add apps to those profiles, when you switch from one profile to the other (via simple widget), the app data is switched as if you are changing to another user or another phone. So you can still use the same original FB app, but with different user for each Titanium profile.
I hope this helps.
Used to you could decompile the apk in APK-Tool and then change the package name in AndroidManifest.xml, then finally recompile/sign/install. That doesn't even work for me anymore. I get "packaged can not be parsed" or "application not installed"
I need a clone for PayTm app's latest version. You could please help me
I need a clone for PayTm app's latest version. You could please help me
I'd like to try setting up my N9005 without Play Store and Google Play Services. Part of the reason is the battery use by Google Apps of various types and the other is the necessity of allowing those apps access to dial the phone, send SMS etc.
I'd like to see if I can make my phone more efficient AND more secure.
So far I'm looking at getjar.com, androidtapp.com and appbrain.com. Which app sites do you use and is it reasonable to find one that provides apps that don't use Google Play functions?
Suggestions welcome and experiences on any alternative sites would be appreciated? Also opinions or experiences in getting rid of the google connection...
I'm currently running @temasek 's cm13 - v 3.5 (more properly @joshndroid 's cm13 now he is building it )
I tried once
Journyman16 said:
I'd like to try setting up my N9005 without Play Store and Google Play Services. Part of the reason is the battery use by Google Apps of various types and the other is the necessity of allowing those apps access to dial the phone, send SMS etc.
I'd like to see if I can make my phone more efficient AND more secure.
So far I'm looking at getjar.com, androidtapp.com and appbrain.com. Which app sites do you use and is it reasonable to find one that provides apps that don't use Google Play functions?
Suggestions welcome and experiences on any alternative sites would be appreciated? Also opinions or experiences in getting rid of the google connection...
I'm currently running @temasek 's cm13 - v 3.5 (more properly @joshndroid 's cm13 now he is building it )
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I once tried to use my Nexus 7 without Gapps. and then my Livescore app said it needed GPServices. again a shopping app said it needed GPS to run. then I installed Gapps :|
So we're stuck with Google unless we reduce functionality way down?
Hm... I recall seeing a CM Apps option a while back and I am running AOSP on my N9005 - will have a look for it. Thanks for the Reply.
Journyman16 said:
So we're stuck with Google unless we reduce functionality way down?
Hm... I recall seeing a CM Apps option a while back and I am running AOSP on my N9005 - will have a look for it. Thanks for the Reply.
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the best thing would be installing Pico or Nano version of GApps. Only Play store, Play Services and Contact Sync come with it.
nijom said:
the best thing would be installing Pico or Nano version of GApps. Only Play store, Play Services and Contact Sync come with it.
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Of course. That is exactly what he wants. :sly:
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the best thing would be installing Pico or Nano version of GApps. Only Play store, Play Services and Contact Sync come with it.
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While that sounds good, those are pretty much exactly the apps that crash the phone if you try to interfere with call/SMS permissions. What I am trying to find out is if it is possible to have a functional and useful phone WITHOUT having Google privy to everything I do.
Just because I am paranoid doesn't mean they're not after me.
You may or may not be interested in this talk by Snowden - think it's about halfway through where he discusses how the various companies have peeled away security for the alphabet agencies.
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While that sounds good, those are pretty much exactly the apps that crash the phone if you try to interfere with call/SMS permissions. What I am trying to find out is if it is possible to have a functional and useful phone WITHOUT having Google privy to everything I do.
Just because I am paranoid doesn't mean they're not after me.
You may or may not be interested in this talk by Snowden - think it's about halfway through where he discusses how the various companies have peeled away security for the alphabet agencies.
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It's possible, but it'll depend on your definition of "functional".
I run my phone without gapps, and have calendar and contacts sync with my own server. I use syncthing for file sync, and open source for almost everything (Skype being one exception).
So for me it's fully functional, and the battery life is great. YMMV.
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jisoo said:
It's possible, but it'll depend on your definition of "functional".
I run my phone without gapps, and have calendar and contacts sync with my own server. I use syncthing for file sync, and open source for almost everything (Skype being one exception).
So for me it's fully functional, and the battery life is great. YMMV.
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Without GApps where do you get your apps? I've been touring sites trying to find a decent one and also discovering apps to replace those with Google links. The issue currently seems to be many good apps still tie back into Play for updates or verification purposes.
For example I have SPenCommand from a Google+ site but updates can usually be manual - i.e. I could DL them on PC and copy them over. The problem would be needing to have a link to the site (I think) to licence check. But that's something I can ask the Dev about.
That sounds pretty close to what I need. Phone, Contacts, Calendar, preferably syncing to Outlook on PC but given I am also thinking of moving to Linux, not wedded to Outlook or MS Products, nor I guess even to live syncing. I WOULD like to have backups in case phone goes away suddenly, but I can learn to use Cloud - something I have been avoiding.
I like playing with ROMs and have just started a course in App development online - my thought was to set up a dual boot with a standard GApps setup for testing as well as an unlinked one for daily driver.
Been looking at Aptoide as a store that maybe i can use without a Google account. Seems to have quite a few categories of apps so i am currently trying to work out what I need versus what I want on my phone. I currently have quite a few apps that i haven't touched in months so I figure they are probably not needed.
Any suggestions on what you consider a must have app or app category?
One possible alternative to play store is Blackmarket. It works great and it has almost all the apps present in the play store. And its best feature is that it provides paid apps for free
AndroiDTechi said:
One possible alternative to play store is Blackmarket. It works great and it has almost all the apps present in the play store. And its best feature is that it provides paid apps for free
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I think you had better re-read the rules you agreed to in becoming a member here.
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If a piece of software requires you to pay to use it, then pay for it. We do not accept warez nor do we permit members to request, post, promote or describe ways in which warez, cracks, serial codes or other means of avoiding payment, can be obtained or used. This is a site of developers, i.e. the sort of people who create such software. When you cheat a software developer, you cheat us as a community.
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I think you had better re-read the rules you agreed to in becoming a member here.
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In particular:
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If a piece of software requires you to pay to use it, then pay for it. We do not accept warez nor do we permit members to request, post, promote or describe ways in which warez, cracks, serial codes or other means of avoiding payment, can be obtained or used. This is a site of developers, i.e. the sort of people who create such software. When you cheat a software developer, you cheat us as a community.
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Oops sorry i forgot about that. My bad. I will remember it now.
Hi.
I'm testing now the following approach.
With Titanium Backup I froze Google Play (not for Google Play Services because I'm testing) and use Aptoide and Uptodown apps to updating.
My issue is Google Play is ALWAYS changing its configs which I've set to "not update automatically" and lots of warnings on screen telling me Google Play or Play Services stopped working.
Also I'm testing whether other apps also stop working.
Aptoide and Uptodown apps obey much better and don't change its configs.
Am I right that all these stuff are related to Google Play, soon I'll be able to return here with a more affirmative answer.
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I think you had better re-read the rules you agreed to in becoming a member here.
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If a piece of software requires you to pay to use it, then pay for it. We do not accept warez nor do we permit members to request, post, promote or describe ways in which warez, cracks, serial codes or other means of avoiding payment, can be obtained or used. This is a site of developers, i.e. the sort of people who create such software. When you cheat a software developer, you cheat us as a community.
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Why i can't post my question on the main menu? Is cause i don't have the upgrade?
What has your post got to do with this message regarding warez ??