hey everyone , i am having a problem my first recharge session for the xperia when the batter was fully drained was about 9 hours? is this normal ? for the first couple of times , i am recharging my phone through the usb cable from my computer directly ?
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I've never charged mine through my computer, only synced. I will say it took very long to charge at first. I'd recommend using the wall charger and charging every night instead of letting it drain all the way.
Wall charger is the best choice, unless u have got a battery charger & patience to take off & put on the battery cover every time.
I doubt whether it is necessary to charge x1 every night?
I also find that using a wall charger gives a much quicker charge time and to my eyes a longer lasting charge... I only charge when it gets down to 20-40% so it could last as long as 4 days... (usually 2)
wallcharger takes about 2 hours till its full.
USB however takes far longer. not sure why but i guess the ma/h used for USB is probably far lower then a wallcharger
Yes, USB charging is slower than normal charging as the USB port can provide max 500 mAh, my old K800i on usb charging can arrive max 92% even after 6 hours connected, while on wall charging it is full in less than 2 hours.
And regarding this question, i have another question:
Will usb charging work with any usb wall charger? i leave the wall charger at home, and at work i use USB charging, but a co-worker has a motorola phone with a wall USB charging charger, can i use it safely on my Xperia?
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And regarding this question, i have another question:
Will usb charging work with any usb wall charger? i leave the wall charger at home, and at work i use USB charging, but a co-worker has a motorola phone with a wall USB charging charger, can i use it safely on my Xperia?
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Yes, if you check that Motorola output parameters are the same of our SE wall charger.
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Guys i did charge it from the wall charger and it took less then an hour to charge the remaining 50% which is great guessing so its going to take around 2 hours to full charge it from zero , , thanks for the help
I've got a split cable (two usb ports into one) that came with a portable USB HDD. It works faster when charging off USB.
also if you want faster charge time then make sure the X1 is switched off completely.
recharging ... Saving the battery
what i understand the the slower you charge the battery the longer the battery life ;it could stay with you for more then a year with good battery life
on the other hand quick charging the battery will decrease the overall age of battery you are going to change it with in a year or two
i am not sure of this info for cellphone batteries but 100% sure regarding the laptop lithium batteries
please correct me if i am wrong
mtaher said:
what i understand the the slower you charge the battery the longer the battery life ;it could stay with you for more then a year with good battery life
on the other hand quick charging the battery will decrease the overall age of battery you are going to change it with in a year or two
i am not sure of this info for cellphone batteries but 100% sure regarding the laptop lithium batteries
please correct me if i am wrong
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As far as I know, the asnwer is yes for the first part. The slower the charging time, the longer the battery will last (theorically).
But, the time horizon is not 1-2 years. It is actually longer than that, 2-3 years for cellphones and 4-5 for laptop (own an HP from June 2005, still getting 3h of battery life out of it!).
There are lots of conditions that affect the life of a battery, check out at http://www.batteryuniversity.com/ for more info (that's a real useful site, up to me!)
fards said:
I've got a split cable (two usb ports into one) that came with a portable USB HDD. It works faster when charging off USB.
also if you want faster charge time then make sure the X1 is switched off completely.
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Hmmm... great idea man... but I am wondering if it could affect the battery. Which is the total mah supplied?! is it less than the wall charger one? that info could definitively chamge my mind about the split cable
1) USB charge is way slower
2) Wall is about 2 -3 hrs
3) GSM plus average usage, 1.5 days of use
4) 3G plus average usage 1 days
what my laptop battery care program does to prolong live is that it maintains a max 80% charge. perhaps this is same for all battery?
[email protected] thanks for the update , tell me what your going to do .. fast charge or slow charge?
mtaher said:
what i understand the the slower you charge the battery the longer the battery life ;it could stay with you for more then a year with good battery life
on the other hand quick charging the battery will decrease the overall age of battery you are going to change it with in a year or two
i am not sure of this info for cellphone batteries but 100% sure regarding the laptop lithium batteries
please correct me if i am wrong
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Please consider using punctuation, as your text is completely unreadable.
mtaher said:
[email protected] thanks for the update , tell me what your going to do .. fast charge or slow charge?
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Sincerely, it doesn't matter for me. 4 year is way too long and I never had a phone for that period, so I really do not care about it. The only thing I pay attention is to always fully charge and discharge the battery, every time.
Consider that the first bound to a battery life is its recharge cycles. Probably 90% of batteries dies/loose power because of too many charge/discharge cycles, the 10% left for other reasons (fast charge, totally drained power, heat, etc.)
mcbyte_it said:
Yes, USB charging is slower than normal charging as the USB port can provide max 500 mAh, my old K800i on usb charging can arrive max 92% even after 6 hours connected, while on wall charging it is full in less than 2 hours.
And regarding this question, i have another question:
Will usb charging work with any usb wall charger? i leave the wall charger at home, and at work i use USB charging, but a co-worker has a motorola phone with a wall USB charging charger, can i use it safely on my Xperia?
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Yes, I use my old Motorola V3i charger to charge the Xperia, no problems.
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As far as I know, the asnwer is yes for the first part. The slower the charging time, the longer the battery will last (theorically).
But, the time horizon is not 1-2 years. It is actually longer than that, 2-3 years for cellphones and 4-5 for laptop (own an HP from June 2005, still getting 3h of battery life out of it!).
There are lots of conditions that affect the life of a battery, check out at http://www.batteryuniversity.com/ for more info (that's a real useful site, up to me!)
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the website doesn't say much about Lithium-Polymer batteries as opposed to Lithium-Ion which is all over the site. Li-Poly is what Xperia is using. I think you shouldn't overheat the battery when charging because heat will drasticaly degrade the battery life.
Yeh
Yeh, as a note to some former replied.
Li-Po (Lithium Polymer) batteries need to be kept in check, overheating can make them dangerous and explosive as well as reducing their life cycle.
Which point you charge the battery from with Li-Po does not mattery as long as the correct "conditioning" cycles are completed when new.
Also, as a note, I have once or twice attempted to charge my Xperia from the USB port on my laptop(plugged in) over night, only to find the battery of the Xperia was totally dead the next morning.
The USB ports of my laptop provide 500mA (standard) and the charger for the Xperia is 700mA so not a significant difference, but I guess other things affect the the USB ports on laptop (including Windows 7 having the ability to disable US ports to "save power").
It most probably assume the "device" connected is wasting power and so disables it. Although we want it to charge. Same goes for Windows Vista. This option can be disabled though.
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the website doesn't say much about Lithium-Polymer batteries as opposed to Lithium-Ion which is all over the site. Li-Poly is what Xperia is using. I think you shouldn't overheat the battery when charging because heat will drasticaly degrade the battery life.
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Yes, but wall charging while using connected wifi does heat the battery relatively quickly (my Polaris, Li ion, gets vaguely warm, not as obviously heated as the X1 battery)
I've tested this with a new replacement battery - careful overnight charging when new - and similar behaviour still results
This has convinced me that the X1 has a serious weakness, as charging while wifi connected is a long-standing work habit. If the wifi is connected without charging, a usable time of 2-3 hours is all you get (no good )
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I've been experience that my battery life has improved ALOT when I charge it while it's on, also when I watch a movie or two and then charge it at the same time, when it reaches 100% I easly get more days out of it.
What's your experience?
This makes sense because the Wall charger has plenty of power to quickly charge the unit, while a USB connection is standard at 5 volts.
So the slower the charge, the longer it takes, the better it hold the charge longer.
In your situtation, you are watching movies while charging... which eats most of the power as it comes in, and supplies the battery with a slower charge; thus increasing the battery life until it drains again.
I do this with my Motorola cheap-o phone. If I power it via USB it'll last like 7 days... but if I charge it via a Wall Charger it'll be dead in 2.
Never really gave that any thought. You think the slower cycles going in, then the harder it is to go out? I'll keep mine playing movies while I'm sleeping then to get a better charge if that's true!
I thought that was very bad for the Batery, actually my laptop's batery is already dead (it drains full batery in less than 3 minutes) and I was using your method during all its live, around 1.5 years.
I noticed that if you use the Diamond during charge it warms up very much, compared to when not using it.
I must say that I noticed that some of the cicles where longer than others with similar or less use, I will test in the nexts days and post back.
player911 said:
This makes sense because the Wall charger has plenty of power to quickly charge the unit, while a USB connection is standard at 5 volts.
So the slower the charge, the longer it takes, the better it hold the charge longer.
In your situtation, you are watching movies while charging... which eats most of the power as it comes in, and supplies the battery with a slower charge; thus increasing the battery life until it drains again.
I do this with my Motorola cheap-o phone. If I power it via USB it'll last like 7 days... but if I charge it via a Wall Charger it'll be dead in 2.
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ALL Devices like phones charge at a nominal 5v. It's the current that is different.
Wen you charge while the the phone is some way in use it works the battery to max efficiency and this results in a more efficient charge pattern.
Charge your phone whenever you can, never turn it off when charging and top up as often as possible. That will maximise battery life and max the potential capacity.
Don't discharge too low either.
Like many of you guys, I have custom built my own PC. Yeah, it's a little outdated with a Q6600 but it will do for a good year or two more. Good thing I bought a Quad Core. But anyways, getting back to topic, you guys should realize that the Power Output of the front two USB ports are not the same as the USB ports that are in the back. This is a fact as far as my system is concerned. I know because I use a Lacie External drive which will only power on with the rear USB ports.
If you charge the SGS with the included wall charger, it will charge up in about 4 hours. When I leave it on my front USB port, I would wake up in the morning only to find it 60-70 percent full.
PS - I am amazed by the battery of this thing. Here is the break down. I fully charged by 1am. Took it off... then started using it quite a bit till around 3am ish. When I went to bed, the charge was at 72 percent. I work up 6 hours later and guess what, it was at 69 percent. Pretty neat.
The USB 2.0 only requires that a motherboard provides 150mA to a single port (& 500mA to 5 ports). Where as a chargers don't conform to this standard and provides a much higher charge, which charges your battery much quicker.
Only use USB if you have nothing esle.
The wall charger that came with the SGS is a 700mA. I just ordered a 1000mA wall and car charger.
The more I use this phone the more I am amazed by it. The Battery life on this thing is really great. It's already been close to 12 hours (11:30) and the battery is now finally at 49%
I've used this phone quite a bit and the battery held up really well. I used Let's Golf, Navigation, Armored Strike, Calls, Texts, Gmail... Good stuff.
So your telling me if i get a charger with more mA it will charge faster? Where can i get a bigger mA charger.
I don't know, but my battery charges fast as hell. It goes up about 5% in 20 minutes.
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So your telling me if i get a charger with more mA it will charge faster? Where can i get a bigger mA charger.
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Yes.
Mono Price is great.
Car charger (1000mA)
http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10826&cs_id=1082602&p_id=3523&seq=1&format=2
Wall charger
http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10311&cs_id=1031106&p_id=6767&seq=1&format=2
then pic a cord length
http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10303&cs_id=1030307
Ebay has tons also, just search and look at the specs. You want to make sure it says 1A or 1000mA
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I don't know, but my battery charges fast as hell. It goes up about 5% in 20 minutes.
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5% in 20mins, that's 15% per Hr, or 6.5 hrs from empty to full. You are happy with about 6.5 hrs for a full charge?
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5% in 20mins, that's 15% per Hr, or 6.5 hrs from empty to full. You are happy with about 6.5 hrs for a full charge?
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LOL , kids today are inept when it comes to arithmetic but cmon...
Aight more like 10% every 20 minutes, lol. I didn't know this was a math class, sorry. It is the summer you know -_________________________________-.
will it hurt the battery life or shorten the amount of time you can use the battery if you use a higher mA? because if it wont then why didnt Samsung just include a 1000mA charger with it?
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will it hurt the battery life or shorten the amount of time you can use the battery if you use a higher mA? because if it wont then why didnt Samsung just include a 1000mA charger with it?
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It will do neither.
read this. Gives some basics on Li-ion batteries. link
Essentially these batts can and should be charged at 1C c=capacity. Our batts are 1500mA so we could and should charge at 1500mA.
Slower charging is fine but these batteries rely on circuitry recognizing a drop in voltage to turn the charge off, or down to a lower current as to not damage the battery. If you charge at a higher rate the drop in voltage is more obvious than with a lower voltage and harder to miss thus less chance of an overcharge and battery damage. Added bonus is the battery charges quicker
Over charging is the killer of batteries. Overcharge occurs more from circuitry missing a change in voltage and failing to terminate.
Hope this helps.
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will it hurt the battery life or shorten the amount of time you can use the battery if you use a higher mA? because if it wont then why didnt Samsung just include a 1000mA charger with it?
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If you were an engineer and could save the company one cent, how would you do it? That was about one cent worth of cooper in the charger times ten million devices.you just made your year end bonus.
A dedicated chip inside the phone regulates the battery charge.
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Yes.
Mono Price is great.
Car charger (1000mA)
http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10826&cs_id=1082602&p_id=3523&seq=1&format=2
Wall charger
http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10311&cs_id=1031106&p_id=6767&seq=1&format=2
then pic a cord length
http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10303&cs_id=1030307
Ebay has tons also, just search and look at the specs. You want to make sure it says 1A or 1000mA
5% in 20mins, that's 15% per Hr, or 6.5 hrs from empty to full. You are happy with about 6.5 hrs for a full charge?
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I just visited the links you put up and chatted with the live chat team and they have no cables currently for the vibrant ?
where did you find it on the site
thanks
HOw many mA is the charger the phone came with?
leechdweler said:
I just visited the links you put up and chatted with the live chat team and they have no cables currently for the vibrant ?
where did you find it on the site
thanks
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all you need is a USB - Micro USB cable.
mystycs said:
HOw many mA is the charger the phone came with?
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700 mA. See the info panel on the charger, it'll tell you.
So a charger with more mA will charge my phone faster i assume? I wont loose any battery capicaty right? It wil charge the same amount just faster i assume?
mystycs said:
So a charger with more mA will charge my phone faster i assume? I wont loose any battery capicaty right? It wil charge the same amount just faster i assume?
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Its obvious you didn't even bother reading 6 POSTS up. This thread isn't even a full 2 pages, stop being lazy.
So I bought my car charger (cigarette adapter + separate usb cable) from
"Mono Price".
Specs:
PID:3523 Car Charger (Cigarette Lighter) to USB Female Converter - Black
PID:5139 USB 2.0 A Male to Micro 5pin Male 28/28AWG Cable - 10ft
Very weird thing is happening, instead of charging my phone it drains it .
The battery icon moves back and forth as if it is charging but it drains my battery relativity fast.
5 mins using the car charger I lost 25% of battery life .
Does anyone know why this is happening ?
boodies said:
The more I use this phone the more I am amazed by it. The Battery life on this thing is really great. It's already been close to 12 hours (11:30) and the battery is now finally at 49%
I've used this phone quite a bit and the battery held up really well. I used Let's Golf, Navigation, Armored Strike, Calls, Texts, Gmail... Good stuff.
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How...? I am on my third Vibrant and i last 6-7 hours...
Hey! Guys I am having problems with the USB Charging, it seems to drain the 100% charged battery quicker (while using the phone, unplugged NOT charging) like one day and I have to charge the phone again, But when i charge my phone (100% charge) using the wall charger my phone lasts two and a half days. My wife also said she experiences the same thing with USB charged HTC Trinity Phone. I have tried on different computers and laptops as well but still the same and i know that USB charging will take longer to charge (500mah) so i leave the phone over night like 9 hours but the phone drains like juice. What kind of a Phenomenon is this.. Guys i need your humble thoughts and solutions on this because this is becoming a big problem for me since i use USB charging mostly... Plus I am not a very hardcore app, wifi or games user on the phone either... Darn...
same problem
I don't know why but i meting with the same problem. No idea why this happening it should be same from electric perspective.
When the phone cahrges via computer USB, the phone charges at a rate of around 90mA due to the phone running. Try with the phone off
Tried that as well, but it seems to be the quite the same but little difference since it last a little longer but still drained out in one freakin day. I am pulling my hair off because of this problem.. darn why is this just so... i mean like in the second post the process should be electronically identical right. only difference is it takes more time to charge from USB.... Grrrrr!
my phone hardly last one day..How do you make it last for 2 1/2 days?
xiyan2127 said:
Tried that as well, but it seems to be the quite the same but little difference since it last a little longer but still drained out in one freakin day. I am pulling my hair off because of this problem.. darn why is this just so... i mean like in the second post the process should be electronically identical right. only difference is it takes more time to charge from USB.... Grrrrr!
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Battery indicators do lie.
it all depends upon if your board can deliver enough current to run the phone and charge it. on my rig i see no difference between wall charger and laptop or desktop charging
the laptop is a studio 15 with an i5 and h55 chipset and the desktop is a core 2d machine with a p45 series chipset.
you can tell the phone to disable usb charging if the phone is on while connected to usb to see if that helps (it will still charge via USB if the phone is off)
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it all depends upon if your board can deliver enough current to run the phone and charge it. on my rig i see no difference between wall charger and laptop or desktop charging
the laptop is a studio 15 with an i5 and h55 chipset and the desktop is a core 2d machine with a p45 series chipset.
you can tell the phone to disable usb charging if the phone is on while connected to usb to see if that helps (it will still charge via USB if the phone is off)
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any usb not from china will give about 500mah, whether it be my i7 laptop or z550 vaio, so specific components shouldn't matter.
usb charges a little slower, but no reason it should not last as long once its got all the amps it can take. weird situation man...my huge list of htc phones never had an issue, and i do use a work computer to charge via usb sometimes
Thanks for your thoughts guys!!!
Weird... Yeah thats the thing i am also using a Core i7 930 CPU and my motherboard is ASUS ROG Rampage III Gene board, so i don't think my system is the problem here...
The wall charger delives 2 amperes to our HTC phones while usb ports delivery only 500mA (0,5 amperes). It's not only a matter of charging slower but you can't deliver the full charge the battery needs to revert the chemical process of discharging when tou use usb port. With 2amperes the charging process reachs it's maximum.
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any usb not from china will give about 500mah, whether it be my i7 laptop or z550 vaio, so specific components shouldn't matter.
usb charges a little slower, but no reason it should not last as long once its got all the amps it can take. weird situation man...my huge list of htc phones never had an issue, and i do use a work computer to charge via usb sometimes
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some cheap mainboards cannot supply even 500ma. a good qaulity board can supply more.
want to test it? put your HD2 in the first USB port and then put a high power device like a wireless dongle or external USB HDD in the second and see what happens. if your board cannot power both, you'll drop your wireless/hdd connection when you plug your phone in.
Phone Usage...
mbrown3460 said:
my phone hardly last one day..How do you make it last for 2 1/2 days?
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Sir I have said that I am not a very heavy phone using guy, I am an average phone user. Plus I dont use the 3g or data connection here in my country since the connections are snail slow and prices are over the head and there is no unlimited data package here yet. I use the Wifi sometimes to update my twitter, Rss hub, facebook, weather tabs and very little market place... So my phone lasts for two and a half days when i use the wall charger.
Oh yeah and Guys, i tried recalibrating the battery by using it till the phone died completely and recharging it with USB (phone turned off) for like a day but still it drains faster than the wall charger rate.... I dont understand really...
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The wall charger delives 2 amperes to our HTC phones while usb ports delivery only 500mA (0,5 amperes). It's not only a matter of charging slower but you can't deliver the full charge the battery needs to revert the chemical process of discharging when tou use usb port. With 2amperes the charging process reachs it's maximum.
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This is why. The awnser was given, but people ignored it. To fully charge a battery it needs more amperes. Use the wall charger. The battery indicator lies, and is unable to acuratly measure a fully charged battery. It'll display 100% when it's roughly 70%.
Our batteries use Lithium ions as means of electricity. They use a Lithium compound, and move the ions from the negative to the positive pole. When there are no more ions to move, our batteries are discharged. When we connect to an external power source, the higher voltage will draw the ions back to the "negative pole".
USB supplies 500 mA (that's 0.5A) @ 5V (per specification, some motherboards won't be able to go that high, depending number of USB devices connected, etc)
European electrical sockets supply up to 2.5A @ 230V and although your HTC charger should only output 1A @ 5V, the topping off will occur much quicker.
Basically the more you have to charge, the more time it takes, and the bigger the effort on the current to pull the remaining ions back to the negative pole.
I am finding that in Android, my phone will not charge with either wall or usb charging. The phone shows that it is charging but does not actually charge. This is really unacceptable. It works in Windows Mobile but is not a listed problem of the Android builds. Are all of you using WM6.5 or Android? Or both?
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I am finding that in Android, my phone will not charge with either wall or usb charging. The phone shows that it is charging but does not actually charge. This is really unacceptable. It works in Windows Mobile but is not a listed problem of the Android builds. Are all of you using WM6.5 or Android? Or both?
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I can Charge my HD2 well on both OS's but still when compared to android and WinMo when i use the USB Android does discharge heavily than WinMO and Android does the same when compared to WinMO on wall charger use as well... So nothing much more to say at that...
Charging mobiles using USB takes alot longer than using power outlet and this is valid for all kind of mobiles, ALSO when you charge by USB your mobiles battery drains much faster than charging from power outlet. (Electrical Engineers say so).
NOW why you don't use power outlet to charge your HD2 rather than using USB?
There are safety measures in charging from USB like, static issues from wall charger in some countries and then there is the ease of use from charging from PC while you are at work or away on a business trip..
mbrown3460 said:
my phone hardly last one day..How do you make it last for 2 1/2 days?
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Mine lives for 5 days on just 1 charge, and with normal use (every 2/3 hours updating weather and twitter, sometimes call, sometimes texting, sometimes using internet)
I purchased a cheap (.99 cent) USB data cable for my SGS off of eBay from Korea. It worked well, or so I assumed at first, charging my device and working fine with the outlet charge that came in my box as well as working for data transfer.
Originally my first charge of my SGS lasted a poor 12 hours. The second charge lasted a much better time. And the longest mine has ever gone without being plugged in is about 32 hours, this is with low use however. Maybe 5 minutes of talk time total, 100 sms sent and several web pages viewed on WiFi and 3G. This is much much better compared to my 3gs.
Anyways.. After about 4 days of the new cable I had noticed that my charge time was lasting significantly shorter amounts of time every day I used it. Each morning the phone would confirm fully charged and I would unplug it. It would usually end up dieing sometime before I went to bed. Basically it would only last 14 hours and this is with very minimal use. Mostly standby, in fact, probably about 12 hours of those 14 hours is standby.
So I switched back to my original cable that came in the box when I purchased my SGS and today the phone is holding a charge much better and still indicates full charge after 10 hours since I woke up this morning.
I guess what I am trying to say is that it seems (for whatever reason and if you know PLEASE enlighten me) that the after market cable was doing something strange. Even though it charged my device and the SGS indicated it was at 100% please unplug. It still didn't last as long as when I use the original cable. Anybody know why?
So I suggest steering away from cables that may not be official. Or at least the ones that cost less than a dollar XD.
i think the problem is with the battery and not the cable
the cable either works, or don't work, there is no in between.
I was reading a thread last night on XDA about cheap cables but i forget which one. Im sure it was in Galaxy Accessories though.
The guys there were having similar charging issues or it not even recognising the phone being connected. One of them checked the cable on a multimetre and found it was giving a lower voltage than the original (if i remember right it was about 0.2 volts) so maybe that's your cause?
You would think a cable is just a cable but it seems lower costs mean lower quality materials.
i was not talking about the current transfer,
i was talking about the full charge, and drainging quick, has no relation to the cheap cable
yes the cheap cable might be poor at charging the battery, but it doesn't affect how the battery discharges after it's full
afleck said:
I guess what I am trying to say is that it seems (for whatever reason and if you know PLEASE enlighten me) that the after market cable was doing something strange. Even though it charged my device and the SGS indicated it was at 100% please unplug. It still didn't last as long as when I use the original cable. Anybody know why?
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He seems to be still using the same battery but has switched the cable and the problem has gone or at least improved.
I remember my old HTC Diamond, charged via USB (lower voltage) would last less than half the time on a supposedly 100% charge. A full charge on the mains socket (higher voltage) would bring the longer holding charge time back.
I guess we need an update from the OP as to whether changing only the cable 'did' fix it.
the point is i don't see any scientific reasonable logic behind it.
AFAIK that's not how the charged power inside a battery works.
Well I have read a bit more about charging from a USB port on the computer than charging from the wall charger.
Many people seem to experience shorter battery life when charging a device (specifically I read about the iPhone cause it was there) connected to a PC via USB. Usable battery time increased when charging via outlet charger.
I am sure there is a scientific explanation for this. Just because we don't know it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I am interested in this and am going to research it some more.
Perhaps some people should try charging via a PC and USB to see if their battery life diminishes more quickly.
i charge via the PC at work and home for my internal phone battery
the spares are charged separately with a stand alone charger
i see no difference in runtime between wall or PC charged batteries
i'm a heavy user i can drain the entire battery in 4 hours be it wall charged or PC charged
my average battery time when i don't go heavy on it, is 12 hours
on a normal day i need 1 battery pack for AM, and another 1 battery pack for PM
Hello,
I am doing an experiment since few days ago. I noticed that if you disable the Fast Charging, and (most importantly) use a proper, thick 2A USB cable (I use a Kindle Fire original cable) then the battery lasts around 15-20% longer.
How to recognize that you got a proper USB charging cable ? With fast charging disabled and the battery empty, the phone should tell you that there are around 2 hours until full (instead of the usual 7 hours or so with fast charging disabled). That's when you know that you are using the proper cable. I bought a original Kindle Fire cable from Amazon and that is very solid, much thicker than the standard cable. See attached screenshot. With the standard cable this seems to be a hit and miss, you sometimes get the 2 hours message and sometimes the 7 hours message.
I repeated the experiment 3 times and each time I got significantly better battery life than before.
You may want to try it to see if it works for you.
PS: Attached is my latest battery life screenshot (APC8 firmware), which is the third charge since the experiment. 2 days 6 hours of stand-by with 5h SOT on a mix of 80% Wi-Fi, 20% 4G with nothing disabled (even Bluetooth is permanently connected to the LG smartwatch). Almost no videos played, only web page browsing which is quite demanding on battery.
Look if new software update is possible.
Yeah, I noticed that my battery life was worse when I used a ****ty 1 Ah Sony charger when I displaced the original Samsung charger. It took about 3 hours to charge it up to 100%, but then I noticed that the battery life would be worse than before. I found the original charger again, and battery life is back to being good again. I never use fast charging, unless it's in the middle of the day and I'm heading out or something.
None of the things mentioned above should (technically) have any impact on battery life once unplugged? I mean, stored electricity is stored electricity, so if someone QUALIFIED could give an explanation here, it would be cool.
Nothing new, I've always noticed that if I charge the phone with the original charger and fast charging disabled it will last much longer.
https://www.amazon.com/Amazon-Kindle-Micro-USB-Cable-Tablets/dp/B006GWO5NE
This cable? Which AC adapter do you use?
None of this solutions should impact battery life Oo. Energy is energy, no matter where it comes from?!
Would be nice, if someone qualified could tell us more..
Do you have the newest android version installed?
By the way, I only charge with original charger and cable, fast charge disabled (battery life is longer?!)
Battery life depends on how well you follow charging & discharging cycle. I usually fully discharge my battery (so that phone will shut down by itself after dropping below 1% charging), then charge it fully keeping it switched off & then use it.
I always had far better battery life than most people complain about.
BTW, I also tried charging battery keeping phone switched on at 10-15% charge remaining, battery definitely performed weaker for my use.
So that confirmed my theory based on my usage over last 7 years..
thegame2388 said:
https://www.amazon.com/Amazon-Kindle-Micro-USB-Cable-Tablets/dp/B006GWO5NE
This cable? Which AC adapter do you use?
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Yes, this is the exact cable I am using. A bit expensive, but for me it was the only cable that consistently worked at 2A over time.
J.Biden said:
I mean, stored electricity is stored electricity, so if someone QUALIFIED could give an explanation here, it would be cool.
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BigDoun2011 said:
Would be nice, if someone qualified could tell us more..
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I wonder if Qnovo is qualified enough ? Their technology is employed in many charging solutions. Here is what they say:
"Add fast charging - it gets noticeably worse. It turns out that the simple way batteries are charged today causes most of the damage that leads to shorter daily battery life and reduced lifespan."
Cst79 said:
Yes, this is the exact cable I am using. A bit expensive, but for me it was the only cable that consistently worked at 2A over time.
I wonder if Qnovo is qualified enough ? Their technology is employed in many charging solutions. Here is what they say:
"Add fast charging - it gets noticeably worse. It turns out that the simple way batteries are charged today causes most of the damage that leads to shorter daily battery life and reduced lifespan."
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So you're saying that Kindle Fire cable extends battery life? Isn't 100% battery life from one cable the same as 100% battery life from another cable? Energy is energy.
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So you're saying that Kindle Fire cable extends battery life? Isn't 100% battery life from one cable the same as 100% battery life from another cable? Energy is energy.
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In no way I am saying this. I am just saying that you need a cable that reliably supports 2A charging, so the charger shows 2 hours to full instead of 7 hours to full, even with fast charging off.
Cst79 said:
In no way I am saying this. I am just saying that you need a cable that reliably supports 2A charging, so the charger shows 2 hours to full instead of 7 hours to full, even with fast charging off.
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Ah okay. I went ahead and bought one!
It ' also the logical thing. With fast charging , the battery holds less charge than the "normal . " He just spoke in various forums of this.
Anyway , great idea.
How to maintain max battery life span (reliable source):
Perform shallow discharges. Instead of discharging to 0% all the time, lithium-ion batteries do best when you discharge them for a little bit, then charge them for a little bit. The table below, from Battery University, shows that discharges to 50% are better for your battery's long-term life than, say, small discharges to 90% or large discharges to 0% (since the 50% discharges provide the best number of cycles-to-usage ratio).
·Don't leave it fully charged. Similarly, lithium-ion batteries don't need to be charged all the way to 100%. In fact, they'd prefer not to be—so the 40%-80% rule you heard is a good guideline. When possible, keep it in that range to prolong its life as long as you can. And, if you do charge it to 100%, don't leave it plugged in. This is something most of us do, but it's another thing that will degrade your battery's health. If you need to charge it overnight, use something like the Belkin Conserve Socket to stop it from charging after it's full.
·Fully discharge it once a month. This may seem contradictory, but hear us out. While lithium-ion batteries shouldn't be discharged regularly, most modern batteries are what's known as "smart batteries", which means that they can tell you how long you have until your battery dies (e.g. "2 hours, 15 minutes remaining"). This feature can get miscalibrated after a lot of shallow discharges. So, manufacturers recommend fully discharging your battery once a month to make sure this stays accurate.
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In no way I am saying this. I am just saying that you need a cable that reliably supports 2A charging, so the charger shows 2 hours to full instead of 7 hours to full, even with fast charging off.
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But you stated that it increases battery life.
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So you're saying that Kindle Fire cable extends battery life? Isn't 100% battery life from one cable the same as 100% battery life from another cable? Energy is energy.
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What he's saying is that a slower charge equals a longer lasting battery between charges.
But maybe that doesn't apply to Li-ion batteries, according to this link here.
Outbreak444 said:
What he's saying is that a slower charge equals a longer lasting battery between charges.
But maybe that doesn't apply to Li-ion batteries, according to this link here.
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You can try it for yourself (if you have an S7/Edge) and report the results here. I posted my results, I'm not an expert, I just tried this. I also tried the 7-hour slow charge (with a different charger) and it didn't work as well as the 2-hour charge. The 2 hour charge seems to work best.
Yeah, If you use fast charging the battery dies a little bit quicker. I recommend fast charging if you are in hurry.
I only use fast charge when I'm in hurry.. Nice feature! I try to charge my phone between 25-80%...
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Battery life depends on how well you follow charging & discharging cycle. I usually fully discharge my battery (so that phone will shut down by itself after dropping below 1% charging), then charge it fully keeping it switched off & then use it..
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Worst thing you can do for the lifespan of an Li battery.
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Worst thing you can do for the lifespan of an Li battery.
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I disagree, even though it switches off itself, it still has charge, don't go by it says 1%.. so it's not fully discharged... besides my method served a good battery life to me over the years with earlier phone models