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It is released and can be downloaded here
http://www.opera.com/products/mobile/products/winmobileppc/
Get it quick cause the old one expires June First.
Later; Lew
Uh oh... looks like they want to charge for it. Looks like they are offering a 30 day trial... :x
Everyone is tring to make a buck.
Opera is pretty good and I wouldn't really mind paying $24 :/.
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Uh oh... looks like they want to charge for it. Looks like they are offering a 30 day trial... :x
Everyone is tring to make a buck.
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Opera has always been software you have to pay for. They've just been putting out alot of new versions with free trials recently.
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Yeah, I noticed it today. My workaround is to set 31.05 before you start Opera(beta)
man ive been using mini opera this whole time on my 8125... i guess i shoulda been using the ppc version...
man ive been using mini opera this whole time on my 8125... i guess i shoulda been using the ppc version...
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actually i think opera mini is the fastest browser i have used yet...i have them all...maybe it's because opera mini separates a whole page into several pages...
Sorry double post.
Opera Mini uses a proxy server that massivly compresses the data and photo's, as well as reformating and cutting down the stuff it thinks you wont need. Really it's for small screen mobiles.
Opera Mobile is a 'proper' browser', slower but a much richer experience. I recommend people have both.
Well I wouldn't mind paying the $25 if there weren't so many crappy bugs that weren't fixed.
I would list them but someone on another forum did the work. To quote:
"My what a huge disappointment ! What's the point of putting out Betas if they only correct half the bugs ?
I have an X50v running WM2003SE. I'm running it in hi-res VGA mode.
I've just downloaded the latest demo, and after a mere 20mins of playing here's what I've found so far:
Pros
The Courier fonts have gone.
Zoom now works properly.
Double space problem gone on keyboard.
Keyboard comes up correctly in context now.
Javascript (edited - previously read Java) pages seem to work fine.
Cons
The progress bar still covers the horizontal scroll bar.
I find the progress bar annoying, and can't see a means to turn it off.
My D-Pad won't scroll me vertically in the same manner as PIE. Instead, it operates as per the Betas and tabs you between various screen elements.
The highlight problem is still there i.e. links won't work if you've accidentally managed to highlight another link. So you have to click a blank bit of screen to de-select, then hit the link.
Flash still doesn't work.
On long pages, the information stays all corrupted at the end.
Frustrated is just not the word. This was all looking so promising. Why ignore half the bad stuff after all this time ?????????"
I can confirm this is all true.
If they could just program it so us users can configure how WE want the d-pad to scroll between selectable items and the page then I'd be happy.
The team that put together Opera Mini (the Java Midlet version) are clever enough to assign up/down for link selection and left/right for page scrolling so why can't the Opera "Larger" team give us at least that if they're not going to give us full configurability? If anyone wants to bring up the horizontal scrolling argument, don't. I always use either "Fit to screen" or "One column" mode anyway
so it doesnt support flash? not good
how does this compare to the latest Minimo?
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how does this compare to the latest Minimo?
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Minimo is more like bloat-a-mo. Opera is much more refined.
Who really needs flash on a mobile device anyways?
Anyone else finding that 8.6 is much slower that the last version (beta) to load up?
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Anyone else finding that 8.6 is much slower that the last version (beta) to load up?
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This is the first version I have used so I can't compare, but it does take a long time in general to load up. I have added opera.exe to my exceptions list to not close when I click the close button so it is always running once loaded the first time. This works well for me.
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Anyone else finding that 8.6 is much slower that the last version (beta) to load up?
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Have you UPX'd it yet?
On a separate note: Put Opera cache files on Storage Card...
1) Close Opera.
2) Create a folder on your storage card where the cache files will go.* I chose \Storage Card\Program Files\Opera\cache4, but I don't think the folder structure or folder name matter.
3) Open \Application Data\Opera\opera.ini in a text editor.
4) In the [User Prefs] section, add the following line -> Cache Directory4=[full path to folder on storage card].
In my case my entry is Cache Directory4=\Storage Card\Program Files\Opera\cache
5) Save and close opera.ini.
6) Restart Opera. Your cache is now being written to your storage card.
Taken from -> http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=140988
i tried setting up the cache to a different folder, but it did not work.
first, as you mentioned, directory name doesnt matter. so i put it in:
\Storage Card\Cache\Opera
then
\Storage Card\Cache\Opera\cache4
then
\Storage Card\Program Files\Opera\cache4
all those folders did not work. the last one i did was to changed it the same as yours, but still didnt work.
im using the latest version (cause the previous one expired on june 1).
disregard my previous post. it worked now.
my fault was, i did not set it up correctly:
Directory4=\Storage Card\Cache\Opera
it should be:
Cache Directory4=\Storage Card\Cache\Opera
thanks for this great tip!
I've been using VGA hack for a while against Pocket IE and really like the way it renders pages. But I hate the way VGA Hack works with almost everything else.
Can VGA Hack (or similar) be applied to specific apps only? Say PIE, Word and Excel only?
Failing that, what rival browsers exist?
Opera mobile and opera mini. Never used either and will try them out, but I never use the "1 column" mode in PIE and basically want pages to be as close as possible to a VGA desktop computer. I want framed sites to render well in particular.
Tabbed browsing *would* be nice but I certainly don't care that much.
Faster page rendering would be a real bonus. A couple of sites I visit (say http://www.todayonly.co.uk ) seem to take forever in PIE.
So, what else is there? There's some Japanese browser too, iirc, but how stable is that? How good is the rendering?
Opera is definitely the one you want. Works flawlessly with VGA, automatically and intelligently scales framed pages to display nicely, and will switch to classicl desktop view at a quick click. It even allows your device to identify as a desktop computer when querried by a page.
I disagree.
Pie+ for me is the most stable and feature packed browser. Not really a browser as such but a load of extensions to Pie.
In my view Netfront 3.3 is also a good option. Specially the fact that it supports Flash which Opera doesn't.
By the way I have also tried Mini Opera and in fact am writing this post using mini opera. Give it a try
Regards
Please check out the Web Browser category ( http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&cat=61 ) on my blog (the later articles have also been cross-posted to the General forum here at XDA-Dev) - it answers ALL your questions. It's really woth checking it out because, based on the info there, you will be able to make an informed decision on which browser to choose.
just try opera 8.6 version it will surely solve ur problem.
I have to Second the Netfront Suggestion
I have used a number of IE addins, and I used Opera during the Beta testing process. I find the in the end I keep coming back to Netfront. I like it enought that I finally did purchase a copy. It renders well in VGA. It has a number of layout formats so you can get a desktop like experience. What I like to use is the following.
Virtual resolution: 800x600
Zoom: 75%
Rendering: Smart-Fit
I also like to set quick render. This causes the page to display in a text layout while the browser retrieves the images and other layout information. This way if you just need a link from the page, you can click it before the whole page is drawn. This can be annoying though if you are trying to read the page because as soon as the browser was retrieved everything, it redraws the whole page, inturupting your reading. For me, this has not been a problem, but Netfront is flexible enough to suit most tastes.
They do offer a short free trial. I suggest checking it out.
Update:
OK, tried Opera for a few days and really, really liked it. However, sometimes it seems like it just doesn't respond at all. When it works, it great. When it's slow, it unusable. Basically, for features it's spot on but for responsiveness I've had to rule it out entirely.
I'm trying Netfront now and so far I'm hugely impressed. Accurate, rapid page rendering and seems to do everything it is supposed to do. I'll give it a week or so before I decide but it certainly looks like a bargain to me (under GBP£20 iirc - the price of a good sandwich)
still mostly happy with netfront,but how do you turn off the irritating way is fills the screen with the focused frame? Nice feature for 240x240 screens, but for vga it just slows me down.
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still mostly happy with netfront,but how do you turn off the irritating way is fills the screen with the focused frame? Nice feature for 240x240 screens, but for vga it just slows me down.
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I'm not sure what you're referring to, but you can always change the rendering mode.
To disable focus on frames navigate to "menu / tools / browser settings/ misc (tab) and uncheck box "enable smart frame operation"
This box is checked by default. With this box checked netfront fills the whole screen with a particular frame you have tapped upon.
Regards
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Update:
OK, tried Opera for a few days and really, really liked it. However, sometimes it seems like it just doesn't respond at all. When it works, it great.
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I think its bcoz ur cache is saved on ur phones memory thus try to change its cache on ur storage card so it will free up the memory & will use less resources.
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I think its bcoz ur cache is saved on ur phones memory thus try to change its cache on ur storage card so it will free up the memory & will use less resources.
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Let me disagree. It's mostly with other Web browsers (most notably, NetFront) that seem to "freeze" when writing to (comparatively) slow (say, flash ROM-based) storage.
Of course, it's worth relocating the Opera cache (see my tutorial at http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=916&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 ), but also make sure you only relocate it to a well-optimized card.
By the way do u know that how can i change the location of cache (PIE) on to the storage card ?
niketkumar said:
By the way do u know that how can i change the location of cache (PIE) on to the storage card ?
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Yeah. Please read for example http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/articles.php?action=expand,42768
I think Opera for PPC works only with an acceptable speed if you relocate the cache NOT to a faster card BUT to virtual memory card.. there is a driver which does that. I'm greatly impressed with it..
You all know what happened here. Thanks picsel for the nice pdf file.
~Mike
Update: Fixed browser rendering issues.
You dont know how long i've waited for this, thank you!! it works great on my Qtek 9100
edit: all the features work fine, but after a while of browsing, it gives a low memory warning.. any way to fix that?
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You dont know how long i've waited for this, thank you!! it works great on my Qtek 9100
edit: all the features work fine, but after a while of browsing, it gives a low memory warning.. any way to fix that?
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no problem.....glad you like me too
yea memory issues have been reported @ my site, Im currently looking into it. It also will not start a data connection, you have to manually start that yourself also.
~Mike
wow, i am impressed if the memory problem gets fixed, thanks a lot.
if only there was a smartphone verion i could get. it makes me want to go back to ppc.
It's been working fine for me - I've been using it with several windows open and it hasn't complained yet... I'm using a heavily customised version, but I have to say that it's one of the most beautiful apps I've ever seen (after customising!)...
Thanks Lvballer06!
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It's been working fine for me - I've been using it with several windows open and it hasn't complained yet... I'm using a heavily customised version, but I have to say that it's one of the most beautiful apps I've ever seen (after customising!)...
Thanks Lvballer06!
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how is it heavily customized? what tweaks can you do to this?
No chance this will work on Smartphone I take it?
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It's been working fine for me - I've been using it with several windows open and it hasn't complained yet... I'm using a heavily customised version, but I have to say that it's one of the most beautiful apps I've ever seen (after customising!)...
Thanks Lvballer06!
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yea I have ran across the memory issues myself. I just moved my history folder over to the card and change the reg reference and its been working beautifully. I havent figured out what the issue is there nor can I find out why it closes when u hit ok......I also would like to know what you mean by a heavily customized version?
~Mike
I'm sitting in court right now, stealing wifi and browsing with picsel. It's a beautiful app, but it's a shame it doesn't quite conform to Win32 API. Custom text boxes etc, so for some reason it doesn't accept carriage returns (enter key line breaks). But, minor issue.I think the memory issue may due to attempting to download streaming media, which fills all free memory (at least, youtube crashes it). May need to limit assigned memory in registry.Heavily customised: I'm using a plugin I am writing to make it prettier and easier to use... just for my use for now, but it could be very helpful. Multiple windows are supported, but not very useful because you can't pass links between windows. But you can browse in multiple windows, and do lots of other stuff.V
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I'm sitting in court right now, stealing wifi and browsing with picsel.
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You sound like me
I think the memory issue may due to attempting to download streaming media, which fills all free memory (at least, youtube crashes it).
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now that you mention it.....I think ur right. The one time I got the low memory error was when accessing a myspace page.
May need to limit assigned memory in registry.Heavily customised: I'm using a plugin I am writing to make it prettier and easier to use... just for my use for now, but it could be very helpful. Multiple windows are supported, but not very useful because you can't pass links between windows. But you can browse in multiple windows, and do lots of other stuff.V
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multiple windows would be great...I bet ur loving it lucky u!
~Mike
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I'm sitting in court right now, stealing wifi and browsing with picsel. It's a beautiful app, but it's a shame it doesn't quite conform to Win32 API. Custom text boxes etc, so for some reason it doesn't accept carriage returns (enter key line breaks). But, minor issue.I think the memory issue may due to attempting to download streaming media, which fills all free memory (at least, youtube crashes it). May need to limit assigned memory in registry.Heavily customised: I'm using a plugin I am writing to make it prettier and easier to use... just for my use for now, but it could be very helpful. Multiple windows are supported, but not very useful because you can't pass links between windows. But you can browse in multiple windows, and do lots of other stuff.V
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Any plans on releasing this little jewel? sounds pretty cool
Not just yet. Picsel is one of the most beautiful apps I've seen, but at the same time a little rudimentary in access Working on improving it... will keep you informed.
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I have been playing with Picsel and it's a great app.
The other day it suddenly lost the "momentum" when scrolling with the stylus. So if I am dragging the stylus and lift it immediately stops making it harder to get through long pages. Anyone else experienced this? Have a solution?
Mine lost momentum too after first usage. Not missing it though. Didn't investigate how to reenable...
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I was most displeased to realize that this aging pocket pc that came out in 2003 with less specs than the HD can run circles around it in terms of speed.
Opening anything on the device is instant...the windows folder is click & your in whereas on the hd it can take 20+ seconds to open.
Anyway you slice it something is really wrong with that, that a machine with a slower processor, less ram/rom can do that.
Shame on Microsoft, and shame on HTC.
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I was most displeased to realize that this aging pocket pc that came out in 2003 with less specs than the HD can run circles around it in terms of speed.
Opening anything on the device is instant...the windows folder is click & your in whereas on the hd it can take 20+ seconds to open.
Anyway you slice it something is really wrong with that, that a machine with a slower processor, less ram/rom can do that.
Shame on Microsoft, and shame on HTC.
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The HD windows folder doesn't take 20+ seconds to open, at most it takes 2 seconds, if yours does take that time something is wrong, maybe to much open programs, also the windows folder of the HD got many more files than the hp 2200, also the display of the HD is larger so more things for the cpu to process, etc.
Shame on you for trying to put the HD under the hp 2200, the HD is much better in all aspects.
Sounds like you found your dream device
Seriously I never experience anything like that, maybe you should hardreset and install apps one by one (experimenting between installs) to try and nut out the conflicting software.
fyi, my HD Windows folder opens instantly with File Explorer, Resco and Total Commander, perhaps your HD has a beta ROM or bloated with many cracked apps.
What ever the reason for your ridiculous post and as a long time WM user I can assure you that the solution to your problem will not be solved by moaning or making false allegations
Gosh, you seem to have got rather an aggressive response.
Guys, I think that DRTigerLilly was just trying to point out that in some respects things seem to have gone slightly backwards, in that machines are now taking longer to perform what, to the user, appear to be similar functions. Obviously we all understand that there's a lot more going on under the hood as it were, but one of the primary drivers should be usability and it sometimes seems that the manufacturers forget this - has anybody used an XDA Exec?! I have one and it is very slow!
At least that's what I think he/she meant. Maybe it was just a general rant!
The real problem is that now we are all carrying powerful computers around in our pockets, we want them to perform more and more complex computing tasks.
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Gosh, you seem to have got rather an aggressive response.
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gosh I couldnt agree more, what is becoming of the world these days
Lol! Fair point!
i definitely feel the OS has taken a step back, and the majority of the blame lies with Microsoft....this is what happens when you add new code, on top of old cold, you get a bogged down OS.
From the perspective of the devices, they tend to be only incremental changes, and often good features are taken out in successive devices...*cough* flash *cough*
I don't want the ipaq its only a pda, but performance wise it is a disappointment.
My HD is running Dutty's v 3.7 which i find to be a very responsive rom overall...but comparing it to the much older device was kind of why there seemed to be that kind of discrepancy between the devices.
and it does take 20 seconds open the windows folder with nothing else open.
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and it does take 20 seconds open the windows folder with nothing else open.
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Mine does it almost instantly with oficial ROM 1.19, using the windows mobile explorer and resco explorer almost same time, something must be wrong with yours.
Now about the performance, please try to play this game
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-xtrakt.html
on the HD and on the hp 2200
Ok, but WM2003 uses memory in different way (RAM like ROM) and no Radios (only BT): file system speed higher and less services to charge in RAM.
D'rath
My windows folder opens in about 4 seconds using the file explorer.
I have the 1.56 rom
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My windows folder opens in about 4 seconds using the file explorer.
I have the 1.56 rom
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Pretty much the same here... 2-3 seconds tops!
What an odd thread. The title of the thread is clearly untrue, comparing the time it takes two different devices to open different sized files that happen to have the same name is just wrong. You have to try to open the same file (windows files from the same version) or the same software to make such a claim, otherwise it is completely misleading.
My windows file also takes only a few seconds to open on the HD no matter which ROM (stock or cooked).
hard reset the phone, and its still not 20 seconds, down to about 4 but its still instant opening the windows directory on the ipaq and its still not instant on the HD.
The reality of it though, is that i use my HD to keep my medical books, and i'm not using it in stock state...or with nothing installed, and with my books and apps installed...20 seconds is how long it takes to open the windows directory.
Same apps/books installed on the ipaq...and navigating the OS, still feels instant.
Its a disappointment...
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hard reset the phone, and its still not 20 seconds, down to about 4 but its still instant opening the windows directory on the ipaq and its still not instant on the HD.
The reality of it though, is that i use my HD to keep my medical books, and i'm not using it in stock state...or with nothing installed, and with my books and apps installed...20 seconds is how long it takes to open the windows directory.
Same apps/books installed on the ipaq...and navigating the OS, still feels instant.
Its a disappointment...
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There is a lot more to load in windows folder of HD than your ipaq. All the touchflo files are also in the windows folder, which do cost a few more time to load than the original windows shell.
Try copying all the manila files to a folder on desktop and see if it instantly opens on a PC with PIV with a gig of RAM in list view So HD nowhere to be blamed on this IMHO.
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...All the touchflo files are also in the windows folder, which do cost a few more time to load than the original windows shell.
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http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2009/11/18/opera-mobile-10-beta-available-on-windows-mobile/
Did anyone try it on the HD2?
ooh thanks for the tip, downloading and trying now.
First impression: Wow it loads up quick. Probably at least 1 third of the time of 9.5
It uses HTC keyboard rather than the Opera one as in Mini 5.
Just tested loading engadget on 10 and 9.5 and they came out about the same, around 16 sec on low strength wifi connection.
Tried testing a few sites and if anything 10 might be slightly slower at downloading and rendering, only by a second though and I might not be timing that accurately. Overall though it's much faster to load so one benefit there.
Note: Just realised I've been doing above tests with Opera Turbo off. doh. Re-testing with new sites now.
OK, with turbo on, thinkbroadband.com loads just under 5 seconds on Opera 10 and on 9.5 it's just under 9 seconds.
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First impression: Wow it loads up quick. Probably at least 1 third of the time of 9.5
It uses HTC keyboard rather than the Opera one as in Mini 5.
Just tested loading engadget on 10 and 9.5 and they came out about the same, around 16 sec on low strength wifi connection.
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Thank you for letting us know. It looks promising.
Does multitouch work naturally like in original 9.7 version included in hd2?
What I mean is, does the multitouch gesture zoom in the web page (enlarging the textsize etc) or does it zoom in the window (like non-supported applications manually added through registry)?
Thank you.
I think it's 9.5 included with HD2, but no, the multitouch isn't working in 10 beta.
Also need to find a way to replace it as the default browser...
Edit: Updated tests above with turbo on
Edit 2, I was wrong, it is 9.7 sorry.
No auto-rotation like in 9.7 either.
Another noticeable difference is the page updates way quicker. E.g. browsing my rememberthemilk.com tasks page on 9.7, there's a lot of the checked pattern when swiping around the page. On 10 there is none at all.
@ Biffy
Thank you for your quick response.
Is the executable named as "OperaL.exe"?
If not, did you try to rename it? This might restore multitouch gestures and auto-rotation
Will check the OperaL.exe, but won't I need to move it to the overwrite the default folder maybe?
Also tried swiping around engadget.com, in 9.7 it's not hard to get a bit of the checker pattern even after the page is loaded. On 10 I can't seem to get any and think it may be smoother overall too.
Edit: Renamed exe to OperaL.exe but now no pages seem to load...
It's nice to see the tab limit has been increased from the tiny amount on 9.7
I'm not sure if this new version will be work good with our htc hd2... because the opera version by default are optimised for our devices, not likely the beta version of opera.
(omg sorry for my poor english)
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Will check the OperaL.exe, but won't I need to move it to the overwrite the default folder maybe?
Also tried swiping around engadget.com, in 9.7 it's not hard to get a bit of the checker pattern even after the page is loaded. On 10 I can't seem to get any and think it may be smoother overall too.
Edit: Renamed exe to OperaL.exe but now no pages seem to load...
It's nice to see the tab limit has been increased from the tiny amount on 9.7
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I don't think that it is necessary to have it in the same location. But it may be necessary for the executable to have the same filename, window name & class name (you can check the last 2 using a task manager, but the filename is the easiest to start with).
You can increase the maximum number of tabs in version 9.7.
See the tips & tricks thread or type opera:config in your opera mobile
Just trying to sort out my wifi problem, as no connections were working. Then will retry as OperaL.exe
I knew about the tabs in 9.7 but it's still nice in 10 it's better by default, one less thing to have to tweak.
My connection is working again after a reset, don't know what happened there...
Renaming to OperaL.exe hasn't changed anything. The default executable is Opera9.exe, would it be worth trying that, or something else?
Edit: Opera9.exe doesn't help either. Guess it's not going to be such a simple fix.
Got to say, I like the way the interface is heading.
Not too worried about the lack of HD2-centric optimisations, that will surely come later.
Loads fast
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My connection is working again after a reset, don't know what happened there...
Renaming to OperaL.exe hasn't changed anything. The default executable is Opera9.exe, would it be worth trying that, or something else?
Edit: Opera9.exe doesn't help either. Guess it's not going to be such a simple fix.
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Thank you for trying.
Hopefully there will be a solution, so that Opera 10 will remain optimized for our device.
I think the thing I miss most is the auto-rotation. As it makes zoom un-necessary on lots of pages.
Pinch & zoom doesn't work, either auto rotate and no much differences from 9.7, better ui, opera turbo and little more.
and opera turbo loads faster yes, but it is a ****ty compressor that makes the images looks like crap.
I still with 9.7
been playing with Opera 10 this morning - FAST.
i guess you either love or hate Turbo, but I love it.
The only issue I am having is that the links from the sense browser page still open in 9.7, but 10 has made itself default for mail links, so a little muddled.
Turbo got better .. it can play animated gifs now for example (it couldn't before). But you can;t set image quality, and the default quality is very bad.