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Sharing Shift's HSDPA internet connection over a wireless ad hoc network?

Hi,
last time I tried to share my Shift's internet connection over an ad hoc network, so that others could go online with their own laptops.
I was not able to do this. Is is even possible? What do I have to do on my Shift?
I created a new ad hoc network and enabled the "Internet Sharing" option at the end of the setup wizard (in Vista). Then the other XP laptop successfully connected to this network but I could not get any further.
Do I have to use my Shift's wireless NIC IP address as the gateway on the other hosts? Do I have to disable my Vista firewall? I wasn't even able to ping the other device within this network.
On both systems I did not specify any host IP addresses. Is this managed by the two hosts on their own? (DCHP, DNS?)
It is a bit confusing, as I never set up such a network and with two different Operating Systems this doesn't get easier. What a about a network bridge? Do I have to unite the wireless network adapter and the SnapVue network into a new network bridge? In that case my Shift loses the internet connectivity.

Solution
Ah, I get to re-live my moment of glory by posting the working solution that I devised:
This allows you to share your Shift HSDPA internet connection with, say your laptop, so that your laptop can have internet anywhere where there is a mobile signal (and your Shift windows side is on).
The setup method is similar to the ICS instructions in Vista Help and on various internet pages, but with an extra step at the end to get it to actually work.
First thing first, you need an adhoc network connection between your Shift and your laptop. I used Wifi. This is easy to achieve using the network and sharing centre on both your Shift and your laptop. (You may need to Temporarily tone down your firwall in order to set up this adhoc network connection.)
Then you need to set up ICS on your shift. Enable the options in your Network and Sharing centre. Read the ICS instuctions in Windows help if you need help with setting these options.
Ok, so it should now work according to Vista documentation, but it doesn't. Now the trick that I found to get it to work:
Each time you wish to share your Shifts HSPDA internet with your laptop/s, do the following:
1. Connect to your ad hoc network from your shift and laptop to open the connection. (you may have set this up to establish automatically).
2. On you Shift, manage network connections and get properties for Local Area Connection. Select the Sharing tab and DISABLE both options.
3. On you Shift, get properties for Local Area Connection. Select the Sharing tab and ENABLE both options.
Wait about 30 seconds, and then your shifts HSPDA internet should be happily available on your laptop. (Vista indicates this by drawing a world globe on the network icon of the taskbar of your laptop.)
Repeat steps 1-3 for every time you wish to use your Shifts HSDPA internet on your laptop.
To connect your Shift to a home Broadband internet wifi, do the following steps:
1. On you Shift, manage network connections and get properties for Local Area Connection. Select the Sharing tab and DISABLE both options.
2. Connect to the wifi home Broadband internet.

Confusion Abounds . . .
Flanimal,
I'm a bit confused, could you clarify? Here's where I'm confused. I don't have wired broadband in my house; I'm strictly cellular. So, for me, I cannot have both Wifi and HSDPA on and be able to connect to the internet. Windows 7 thinks Wifi is a better connection so it won't even try HSDPA. You said that the first step was to "connect to your network from your Shift and laptop." I assume you mean Wifi here?
From the get go I'm out of luck because I won't have internet with Wifi on.
But then I'm still curious. The next two steps have you disabling and then enabling the sharing option. Nothing is ever done on the laptop. Can you clarify?
UPDATE: I figured it out! I just filled in the blanks with some common sense and it worked! Now I have my Macbook Pro connecting to the internet through my Shift, and . . . it's kinda free. Thanks Flanimal!

Glory days!
Hi TopRowGuywithFeet,
It's great to hear that this was useful to you. In response, I've applied a few minor updates to my instructions.
It's great to get things working isn't it? By the sounds of it, this also also allows you to have a permanent wifi network between your Shift and you Macbook pro, wheras before you had to disable the Shift wifi to get internet. If so, cool!

Wireless Tether [Wireless G ?]

So I was trying to connect a laptop that did not have wireless n to my evo, and well it could not see the wireless network created by the "Wireless Tether" app.
Any way to make it so older laptops and desktops with wireless cards can connect?

Do other devices see the wireless network?

I have a laptop with wireless N that sees the Evo's Wireless network and it can connect and run, but my other laptop when the first laptop is not connected can not even see the Evo network.

Did you modify your EVO's drivers to enable Wireless N? Because, by default, it only does B/G.
I ask because I have doubts that the problem is linked to the 802.11n standard. It's more likely just something weird with that specific laptop.

Good, good point, you're right I have my wires crossed in my mind. I didnt enable N, so I suppose its something odd with my laptop. Maybe its not getup to connect or find the type of network the Evo is creating.
Thank you.

If I recall correctly Wireless Tether creates an ad-hoc network, not an infrastructure network like a normal wireless AP would create. Perhaps you need to change some kind of setting to show ad-hoc networks?

Exactly what I was thinking. Thanks again Aragorn182.

Check this out. Connected my PS3 indirectly to Adhoc using my Vibrant.

If you don't know how to make an ad hoc network, just search "how to" on whatever OS you're running. But anyways I had the idea to get my phone, ps3,and laptop on my high speed internet connection without a router. First thought was a reverse USB tether and then broadcast it to ps3....but it seems impossible on my cm7 gingerbread vibrant.(btw, no one bothered answering my post for help). So technically you don't even need to create an ad hoc network. I allowed sharing from my wired local network connection to my wireless connection on the laptop. Then enabled the wifi hotspot ability on my phone, did custom connection and picked up "AndroidAP" on my ps3 wireless connection, made sure that it aquired an IP but didn't care about internet just yet. I then connected the laptop to the "AndroidAP" access point under available wireless networks. Waited a minute and I see my computer as a media server on my ps3. Open the browser on the ps3 and voila! Online connection tested at 6.4 mbps download and a 2.8 Mbps upload. The phone acted as a wireless bridge but isn't drawing any data from it because the hotspot ability is for sharing....so now I need to figure out how to tap into the love on the phone.
If you haven't figured it out, you can get everything online in your house without buying a wireless router. This is a homemade access point that's super easy!

Wifi Tether

Is it possible, to be connected to a WiFi with your android device, and share it yourself while being connected to it? Because i can only share ADHOC over my laptop, which i can only connect to with my rooted android, and my new android phone cant connect to it... help please.

WolfpackEra said:
Is it possible, to be connected to a WiFi with your android device, and share it yourself while being connected to it? Because i can only share ADHOC over my laptop, which i can only connect to with my rooted android, and my new android phone cant connect to it... help please.
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What exactly are you trying to do? Using something like "Wifi teather for root users" you should be able to set up your phone as a wifi router. Clients (your PC) would get internet access via wifi and your phones cell network connection.

dswansonsb said:
What exactly are you trying to do? Using something like "Wifi teather for root users" you should be able to set up your phone as a wifi router. Clients (your PC) would get internet access via wifi and your phones cell network connection.
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Yep, so tethering will share your mobile internet connection (GPRS, 3G, ...) with other WiFi-capable devices like your notebook. And when tethering is on, you can't connect with your mobile phone to a WiFi network because the WiFi chip can only operate in "client" or tethering mode (as long as I know).

Anyone else think that wifi tether uses way for data than it should?

WIFI & Mobile Data Simultaneously?

Hi, New poster so if I've posted in the wrong area please don't bite
I've been connecting my phone to a smart device (miracast-ing 'direct') but as of late the connection has become unstable and generally unusable. I had the brainstorm of using an old router to stabilize the connection, this seems to have done the trick but now I'm unable to access the mobile data as WIFI has assumed priority. Please bear in mind I don't have home internet so the router is being used solely as a go between for phone and smart device. Is there any possibility of WiFi connection whilst have access to mobile data or is this just a pipedream?
Thanks in advance

You can just start a wifi network from your phone, connect the smart devices to your phones wifi and use mobile data normal as internet connection (this is standard if you start a wifi network from phone). You wouldnt even need the router with this szenario, if the wifi signal of your phone isnt strong enough you can connect your router to the phone and extend the wifi with the router.

saturday_night said:
You can just start a wifi network from your phone, connect the smart devices to your phones wifi and use mobile data normal as internet connection (this is standard if you start a wifi network from phone). You wouldnt even need the router with this szenario, if the wifi signal of your phone isnt strong enough you can connect your router to the phone and extend the wifi with the router.
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Thanks for the reply
But creating a mobile hotspot won't help because it doesn't solve the faulty (actually non-existent) miracast connection, plus I don't need a hotspot because only the phone needs internet access. My earlier explanation was probably a bit vague.
My goal is to mirror my phone's screen but to also have internet access solely on my phone.
Phone➡Smart Device➡Display - Can't connect (used to work faultless).
Phone➡Router➡Smart Device➡Display - Connects but no mobile data available because the phone thinks the router has internet access covered.

Dowtish said:
Thanks for the reply
But creating a mobile hotspot won't help because it doesn't solve the faulty (actually non-existent) miracast connection, plus I don't need a hotspot because only the phone needs internet access. My earlier explanation was probably a bit vague.
My goal is to mirror my phone's screen but to also have internet access solely on my phone.
Phone➡Smart Device➡Display - Can't connect (used to work faultless).
Phone➡Router➡Smart Device➡Display - Connects but no mobile data available because the phone thinks the router has internet access covered.
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Creating a hotspot is not for giving the other devices in your network internet access, this is the only way you can use the wifi on your phone with using mobile data at the same time. I dont know why but android devices never use mobile data when they are connected to a wifi network and there is no internet access available. So if you configure your router as a wifi repeater and setup the phone as base station, your wifi signal from phone to router should be good and you can connect your other devices to the router, the phone should see all devices in the same network if you stop the dhcp server in your router and only use the one from your phones hotspot. Should look like this :
Phone (with DHCP) <----Router---->Smart Device---> Display

saturday_night said:
Creating a hotspot is not for giving the other devices in your network internet access, this is the only way you can use the wifi on your phone with using mobile data at the same time. I dont know why but android devices never use mobile data when they are connected to a wifi network and there is no internet access available. So if you configure your router as a wifi repeater and setup the phone as base station, your wifi signal from phone to router should be good and you can connect your other devices to the router, the phone should see all devices in the same network if you stop the dhcp server in your router and only use the one from your phones hotspot. Should look like this :
Phone (with DHCP) <----Router---->Smart Device---> Display
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Cheers will try it out.
Hopefully that sort of config is available on my router as it is loaded with a custom firmware from my old ISP provider.
Thanks

saturday_night said:
Creating a hotspot is not for giving the other devices in your network internet access, this is the only way you can use the wifi on your phone with using mobile data at the same time. I dont know why but android devices never use mobile data when they are connected to a wifi network and there is no internet access available. So if you configure your router as a wifi repeater and setup the phone as base station, your wifi signal from phone to router should be good and you can connect your other devices to the router, the phone should see all devices in the same network if you stop the dhcp server in your router and only use the one from your phones hotspot. Should look like this :
Phone (with DHCP) <----Router---->Smart Device---> Display
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Router ISP custom firmware seems restrictive (no advanced wireless settings) plus WDS is not officially supported.
Possibly achievable but beyond my technical savvy
Thanks for the advice anyways.

Dowtish said:
Hi, New poster so if I've posted in the wrong area please don't bite
I've been connecting my phone to a smart device (miracast-ing 'direct') but as of late the connection has become unstable and generally unusable. I had the brainstorm of using an old router to stabilize the connection, this seems to have done the trick but now I'm unable to access the mobile data as WIFI has assumed priority. Please bear in mind I don't have home internet so the router is being used solely as a go between for phone and smart device. Is there any possibility of WiFi connection whilst have access to mobile data or is this just a pipedream?
Thanks in advance
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Do not use WiFi 5Gz , use only 2,4Gz, and wifi 5Gz off for router and smartphone