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anybody seen this
great UI
http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/video-iswish-puts-the-iphone-ui-on-any-windows-mobile-phone/
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looks interesting thanks for the info
Wow
Hope it will work perfectly on my prophet (Old machine)
can't wait
I think that something similar already exists...
You can find it here on XDA....
fake zooming
btw, the zooming with the two fingers is not really true, they are faking it by sliding only one finger and fixing the other, as far as i know, it needs hardware support that is not available on phones other than the iphone.
I'm not sure if our HTC phones can handle this, especially without driver support .
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btw, the zooming with the two fingers is not really true, they are faking it by sliding only one finger and fixing the other, as far as i know, it needs hardware support that is not available on phones other than the iphone.
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I agree with that. Doesn't the iphone have something like a multi-touchscreen? I don't think that HTC devices have something similar. But wait... what about the Touch
The picture zooming thing can be done just as effectively with Eye-Photo and is it me or does the theme selection stuff look very like A_C's configuration for S2U
AthenaLod said:
btw, the zooming with the two fingers is not really true, they are faking it by sliding only one finger and fixing the other, as far as i know, it needs hardware support that is not available on phones other than the iphone.
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http://www.flicksoftware.com/research/index_files/Page375.htm
From their website:
At a very low level the multiple touches of a normal touch screen device (i.e. not the iPhone) are masked. Our development team thinks we can make inferences from the data and simulate multi-touch.
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· Detects multi-touch on a single-touch screen device.
· Shrinks and grows the image based on the fingers motion.
· Supports the flick and toss effect
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That is for their iZoom app. I assume they use that with iSwish. Who knows how effective it is.
I have sign up for the beta. We'll see the truth soon enough.
I just signed up too, i been using Ifonz for last few weeks, and that is rather good, if you have good skins and stuff for programs installed. this should be even betterstill.
woohooooo....
I'm gonna have to say, enough with all the damn iSh*t piling up around these forums.
Wonder when the folks from apple gonna jump the gun
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Wonder when the folks from apple gonna jump the gun
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lol theres nothing apple can really bust them for, I'd like to see them try and say that they stole Multitouch from them (enough of the people out there believe apple invented multitouch ((or touchscreens)) anyway).
New iZoom video for iSwish
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icOMJuuWePY
It bugs me that every theme has something that another doesnt, so it makes it hard to decide. this is cool, I like the wiggly effect. Is this gonna cost money? A neat program.
I WANT ISWISH NOW! Can somebody post there demo version here (if it was EVER released)?
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Very interesting!!!
I have seen this a long time ago and it really does not interest me. It does not really look like the IPhone interface nor act like it. Sure it has some of the same features; however, there are many PPC apps out there that are far superior and many of the cool IPhone features can be found on seperate PPC Apps - Such as AC's S2 apps. Personally I prefer ultimate launch and use IPhone icons on one of my pages - I was able to make one page look like the IPhone however, can switch to my htc home - Weather panel plugin, Calendar and appointments plugin. I love this setup much better then any IPhone setup. The Iphone setup is too confining - stuck with one look - (Besides changing themes) - My setup - I have five completely different and unique pages all with their own plugins and shortcuts and different style icons and at a glance information / data using the various plugins installed on these pages.
The features - multi touch - Not available on any PPC yet - Possibly on some of the new ones to be released with WM7 I have been told.
My favorite thing about the IPhone is the size of the screen and that can not be duplicated using software. I am waiting for a WM PPC to come out with a large screen like the IPhones - Hopefully with Multi - touch capabilities (Because I want this too)
Hi,
Post any reviews that you find in this thread, with a small conclusion if possible.
NOTE: I have added a poll to this thread, but do not cast your vote yet. Let as many reviews come in, and then vote.
Reviews: (links to reviews will be added here as they start coming in after being confirmed to be reviewing the final build)
Old Links:
Description: The first review of Xperia to hit the Web. Does not go into much detail on performance and speed but covers a lot of stuff in detail and has a couple of really good pictures.
Link: http://www.jouwmobiel.com/review/view/05-10-2008/Sony+Ericsson+X1
Side-Notes: The biggest concern of theirs was ease-of-use. According to them, using your fingers is hard when you start going into inner menus/windows... However in my opinion, you can set the font size to your needs and can easily overcome this. Furthermore, they say that default panels are great but lacking in functionality - which i agree with, but hopefully new panels will come with more functionality and appeal. (For instance, consider the SpbShell panel or others available at SE's site)
Descriptions: M3's review of Xperia. Not too much detail, just the gyst of it all.
Link: http://m3.idg.se/2.1022/1.183975/fo...ria-x1&usg=ALkJrhjPndp9Yybs6iISJnj1OhWlA9MLBw
Side-Notes: Build quality is great but will Panels live up to the expectations? X-Panels are a bit slow at times - same as what Generation Phone House guys said - but hopefully an update will fix it up. The camera is not as good as can be expected from Sony Ericsson (although in my opinion, having seen sample shots, i think it is great!). TF3D from Touch Pro/Diamond is smoother than Panels - in the sense of switching screens/panels. Spb shell is the absolute best screen at the moment.
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Videos: (links to Youtube and other videos - showcasing the final xperia. Videos included within reviews are not included in this list)
Description: Xperia Testing...
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjatGzL-QRA
Notes: Very nice and really fast. Near the end she switches from landscape to portrait and it is almost instant if not exactly.
Description: A look at SE panel... Very smooth and fast!
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OnnDosWiuY
Description: EMP Xperia Video 1 - Goes over the interface of Xperia via various apps. No dialogue and the video is stretched, but worth looking at.
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X824_dDgms
Description: EMP Xperia Video 2 - Word, Excel, browsing, etc.
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAE5U-klAHw
Description: Swedish? or some other non-Enligh review. Takes you through panels - more of a quick glance - in the first vid. The second link looks at the keyboard. And the third video again looks at panels though this time using the finger rather than a stylus.
Link 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTfVYd0fwYQ
Link 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gbFgJ8d4mU
Link 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D24GNI-ZKB4
Notes: i'm really liking what i see...
Old Links:
Description: A demonstration by Xperiancers. Though they say that it is not the final device, but is the pretty close to it - prob. with the increased RAM and all.
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zal6JJn5F38
Notes: Fast. Silver looks Good! Showcases the Spb Panel as well!
Thanks to hrcro for sharing.
Description: A demonstration by Generation Phone House of Xperia.
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LlrJAncJxE
Notes: "Finishes impeccable design and fun, this XPERIA X1 is a true success. The camera is effective and the presence of a 3.5 jack a real asset! The app is rather fast, only the X Panel has been a bit slow at times..."
Side-notes: Panels work pretty great in his video, but like he said the X Panel is a bit slow at times.
Description: SE Press Conference (Swedish) Videos + Unboxing
Link 1: http://m3.idg.se/2.1022/1.183954/xperia-unboxing
Link 2: http://m3.idg.se/2.1022/1.183853/m3-direktsander-xperia--lanseringen
Thanks to floordust for sharing.
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Best regards.
Thanks to Jabe for pointing out this review, which is probably the very first Xperia review - i.e. the very first review of the final Xperia device.
Link: http://www.jouwmobiel.com/review/view/05-10-2008/Sony+Ericsson+X1
(You will need to translate using Google Translators...)
The biggest concern of theirs was ease-of-use. According to them, using your fingers is hard when you start going into inner menus/windows... Furthermore, the default panels are great but lacking in functionality but hopefully new panels will come with more functionality and appeal.
Note: There is speculation that this is also a prototype model's review, and we can't confirm as the reviewer does not state it to be the final set and neither are specs, etc. detailed. Hopefully we'll see more reviews come out in the next day or so.
That keyboard review kinda disappointed me, I was hoping it would feel as good (if not better with bigger keys) than the Touch Pro but just have less functionality... Turns out, according to that review, it feels worse AND has less functionality.
I expected the keyboard review to be just like that.
Regarding the reviewer - its MR from Mobile-Review. I've asked him over there to clarify whether the review is a final retail unit.
not totally happy with the review, of course...
I would like pictures in low light conditions too to see how flash works...
The major problem in my opinion is the tiny text size, thats really sad.
Is it smaller than the diamond for exemple? Because diamond is VGA @ 2.8" and Xperia is WVGA in 3", maybe not that different? I'm used with diamond fonts.
Black93300ZX said:
That keyboard review kinda disappointed me, I was hoping it would feel as good (if not better with bigger keys) than the Touch Pro but just have less functionality... Turns out, according to that review, it feels worse AND has less functionality.
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We knew from the beginning that it wouldn't beat Touch Pro's keyboard... HTC did an awesome job with that one.
NZtechfreak said:
I expected the keyboard review to be just like that.
Regarding the reviewer - its MR from Mobile-Review. I've asked him over there to clarify whether the review is a final retail unit.
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Cool. Please let us know when he responds.
msalmank said:
We knew from the beginning that it wouldn't beat Touch Pro's keyboard... HTC did an awesome job with that one.
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Well, I knew it wouldn't perform like the TP's keyboard (5 row to 4 row obviously) but I figured with the bigger buttons it would feel good to type on.
In the review he basically said the keyboard was fine, just not the best out there. My impression is that the keyboard is adequate, though not ideal.
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In the review he basically said the keyboard was fine, just not the best out there. My impression is that the keyboard is adequate, though not ideal.
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Definitely... and though also goes on to say that it is hard to find keys at times and so on, but once you get used to it, it won't be any hassle. It won't match up to Touch Pro's keyboard, but i think it would be pretty good.
"Regrettably, the flat keys. You are constantly with your nails looking for the edges of the keys. Walloons fl on the keyboard is more common than you think. You look regularly to the keyboard to determine where your next button is located. The space between the keys X1 is not sufficient in helping you find the keys. The pressure response is also lower than the Touch Pro. As you have not always good or key is pressed. Touch Pro also has more slope in the keys so you better know where you should be. The number of features that you can reach via the keyboard is less than the Pro. The X1 has no directional buttons and no direct keys for SMS, MMS, or mail. If you or CAPS FN enable you see this on the screen and not through two lights just above the keyboard."
That doesn't sound "fine" to me, that sounds ****ty if you always have to look at the keyboard to know where the next key is.
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"Regrettably, the flat keys. You are constantly with your nails looking for the edges of the keys. Walloons fl on the keyboard is more common than you think. You look regularly to the keyboard to determine where your next button is located. The space between the keys X1 is not sufficient in helping you find the keys. The pressure response is also lower than the Touch Pro. As you have not always good or key is pressed. Touch Pro also has more slope in the keys so you better know where you should be. The number of features that you can reach via the keyboard is less than the Pro. The X1 has no directional buttons and no direct keys for SMS, MMS, or mail. If you or CAPS FN enable you see this on the screen and not through two lights just above the keyboard."
That doesn't sound "fine" to me, that sounds ****ty if you always have to look at the keyboard to know where the next key is.
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with time and practice, we'll know.
" The keyboard is good, but we have seen better."
Thats after all the criticisms, so sounds like a final summation to me, and hence why it seems adequate.
A few vids from MR with the panels in action
Looks fine, too bad the panels are nothing to write home about at the present time. Looks like we'll all be using Manilla on this thing for the foreseeable future...
NZtechfreak said:
A few vids from MR with the panels in action
Looks fine, too bad the panels are nothing to write home about at the present time. Looks like we'll all be using Manilla on this thing for the foreseeable future...
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Thanks... hopefully we'll see more vidz soon.
Did he confirm if this is a prototype version or a final one?
I agree, the default panels are pretty basic - if you ask me - but given Xperia's hardware and the Panel SDK, there is a lot of potential over here. (thus why i am in favor of Panels over TF3D)
He has confirmed it was the final release.
Agreed on the panels front, but for now its clearly inferior to running Manilla on this phone.
Inspite of everything else I think that this is the next phone for me. Although it may be lacking at the beginning it has huge potential and I think we will only see it once third party devs start taking an interest in this phone. And let's be honest here most non-diamond WinMo phones have now got Manila variants which people are choosing to use over the default (Even on Omnia )
The spec (esp. screen) and build have enough potential for me. Size of the fonts is not an issue and whichever phone I got Spb Shell was always gonna be an option
I am also realising that I may also need a hardware keyboard as opposed to a virtual one - not a fan of the Touch Pro/Diamond (although again I think it will be great eventually once the kinks have been ironed out). We'll see - I get a feeling that it will be on Orange eventually (end of month????)
fuzzmo said:
Inspite of everything else I think that this is the next phone for me. Although it may be lacking at the beginning it has huge potential and I think we will only see it once third party devs start taking an interest in this phone. And let's be honest here most non-diamond WinMo phones have now got Manila variants which people are choosing to use over the default (Even on Omnia )
The spec (esp. screen) and build have enough potential for me. Size of the fonts is not an issue and whichever phone I got Spb Shell was always gonna be an option
I am also realising that I may also need a hardware keyboard as opposed to a virtual one - not a fan of the Touch Pro/Diamond (although again I think it will be great eventually once the kinks have been ironed out). We'll see - I get a feeling that it will be on Orange eventually (end of month????)
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I agree with what you said. Xperia's initial panels may fail to impress, but it'll boast the best hardware in the market at the moment for a WinMo device. It definitely has a lot of potential.
Furthermore Manila 2D may be something i might be looking it, but once Touch HD comes out - same resolution - there is chance of TF3D being copied over onto Xperia as well which will definitely be able to take it on with its specs.
Touch Pro is the best alternative there is to Xperia at the moment, but in my opinion Xperia is better - more RAM, customizability (panels), higher resolution, better video recording capabilities...
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not totally happy with the review, of course...
I would like pictures in low light conditions too to see how flash works...
The major problem in my opinion is the tiny text size, thats really sad.
Is it smaller than the diamond for exemple? Because diamond is VGA @ 2.8" and Xperia is WVGA in 3", maybe not that different? I'm used with diamond fonts.
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I don't understand what's all this stuff about small fonts.
First of all, WM has the ability to change font size and developers can decide the size of their displays I don't see where is the problem
Second, I had said this before, for the same font size Xperia beats every other phone hands down in sharpness and detail.
Xperia has the highest density of pixels per sq inch. producing extreme detail and sharpness
Xperia 100000 pixels per sq inch
Diamond 86000
Touch HD 60000
iPhone 27000
Omnia 21000
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I don't understand what's all this stuff about small fonts.
First of all, WM has the ability to change font size and developers can decide the size of their displays I don't see where is the problem
Second, I had said this before, for the same font size Xperia beats every other phone hands down in sharpness and detail.
Xperia has the highest density of pixels per sq inch. producing extreme detail and sharpness
Xperia 100000 pixels per sq inch
Diamond 86000
Touch HD 60000
iPhone 27000
Omnia 21000
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Cool! I was actually wondering about font size customizability... but since i don't know much about Windows Mobiles in depth (this'll be my first WinMo device, so you could call me a newbie) i didn't wanna sound stupid by asking...
i currently have a kaiser and have being due an upgrade for my o2 staff account for i dont know how long, soooo should i get the x1 its all they can offer me being staff in the line of harware keyboard win mo devices, the o2 xda serra is not yet available to staff i know i can get a better price elsewhere but with my staff account i get cheep bills
So whats it like to use?
is the camera anygood?
and do any emulaters work (i.e. snes, nes, megadrive, psx?)
is the keyboard any good?
thanks i know this is subject to your opinions and you will likely say its great as you own them but i will take all answers with a pinch of salt
btw im due an upgrade on wifes orange in a month maybe the Blackstone? or should i wait for (serra) raphael on o2?
anyone any advice
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Man read some reviews!
I mean how can I answer??
Hi thanks for replying but i have read reviews but just wondered how people were finding the device now the oww look at this shiny new sony erricson phone phase has worn off........
and most reviews at best compare it to other s/e phones and i know its better than there other smart or regular phones, im a big winmo fan and am looking for a new toy but not sure wanted an idea of someone who has had long term experience non of the reviews state if it runs certain emu's and comparing camera to other phones it will lose due to winmo's lack of decent camera software so if anyone would like to contribute anything of value to this thread?
the only thing that realy sux is the UI. i'd rather had a builtin Touchflo or similar since the manual installed ones have some issues. panels are useless
hardwarewise, great phone.
thanks for the reply
ive done a search about emulators to no success does anyone know which ones work if any?
they all work if u use WVGA fix. but u not goign to be happy with a half used WVGA screen.
beside that, the lack of a keypad makes using an Emu pretty usless since we dont have multitouch
You see, here we start again.
As achmed20 hates panels, I just love them and IMO Touchflo is a crap compared to SE Panels functionality...
i don't hate them! the available panels are all somewhat useless.
media panel and mobileshell are the only useable ones. and i personaly love the media panel. which the whole phone had this UI
the SE panels itself are just useless. Today screen gives somewhat more info then those 2 (well its just 1 basicly)
guess i realy have to code my own shell
but most of the emu's i use auto scale and buttons can be mapped to keyboard (i.e. wasd) thats what i do on my kaiser all the emu's except ps, would display full screen with vga on previous (universal athena) but would not work properly (ie screen rotation, button mapping) so yes the programs will work but if button mapping dosent there is a problem
and as for panels i would probably just disable them if i didnt like them so thats not a problem.
in my experience, the x1 is miles better than the kaiser but not in any groundbreaking ways - it's still winmo 6.1 underneath. it feels more like a normal phone rather than the brick i was used to carrying around. also, it's much snappier. menus and changing orientation is much faster.
i've basically set my x1 up so that it works in exactly the same way as my kaiser (htc home, etc) but it is much more responsive.
it's nice to have panels so that i can run tf3d at the weekend when i don't need access to the familiar elements of the today screen.
other big plusses for me are :
the built-in radio. i use this much more than i thought i would.
the standard headphone socket. not having to look for and worry about the adaptor has made a big difference to me. i use my phone for music a lot more than i used to.
so, basically it's a smaller, faster version of the kaiser for me with a few added bells and whistles.
"is the camera anygood?"
i've never found a cmos camera chip (the ones used in all webcams and phones) to be
any good compared to ccd which is the type used in real digi cams
the colours are never real right
the sensitivity to both dim and light is poor
the time from you press to the picture is taken is too long people go home and when it fires
you're alone and the party is finished ...
but thats not an x1 thing
imho it's the case of all cameras in phones
"and do any emulaters work (i.e. snes, nes, megadrive, psx?)"
they would but some may require wvga fix program to get a res they support
"is the keyboard any good?"
well 10 finger is not really an option as it dont react to 2 press's at once
again this goes for all hardware keyboards not just x1
but the keyboard works fine for my needs
cool well im still not too sure just being looking at the new toshiba winmo phone with a 1GHZ cpu and its so slim and has a nice large screen.. but can i wait for the release in the summer??
If you're after even a half decent camera i'd stay away from the X1. I found the camera to be absolutly useless. The 'flash' is more of a light, and picture quality is very poor. I went from an N82 which has a pretty good camera and xenon flash.
yeah i realy whisch they included the 3.2 Camer out of the K800i. dam that camera did amazing fotos considering it was just a Phone and 3.2 mp.
the 3.2MP processing unit is part of the qualcomm CPU (might be wrong). but that would explain why realy every winmopho creates such ugly pictures.
but to be fair, under daylight conditions the fotos are realy OK.but fear the darkness
my personal reason for teh X1 was the keyboard and the metal look. otherwise i would take the TouchHD (screenwise)
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the available panels are all somewhat useless.
media panel and mobileshell are the only useable ones. and i personaly love the media panel. which the whole phone had this UI
the SE panels itself are just useless. Today screen gives somewhat more info then those 2 (well its just 1 basicly)
guess i realy have to code my own shell
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Well actually SE Panels contain just anything I want and collect all the needed apps plus calendar etc. They're highly useful... In opposition to other solutions!
nope! not realy (for me).
what i realy like about touchflo is:
i can read SMS messages directly on screen without opening something (MUST have for me)
way nicer favourites (people)
easy fav application adding and browsing
the Album (even thought it barely works for me)
teh Web panel
the MP3 panel
its basicly like the Panel idea from SE but way better and easier to access.
1 touch, here we go web browsing
another touch, lets view some pictures
yet another touch, and scroll through your fav apps/people
achmed20 said:
nope! not realy (for me).
what i realy like about touchflo is:
i can read SMS messages directly on screen without opening something (MUST have for me)
way nicer favourites (people)
easy fav application adding and browsing
the Album (even thought it barely works for me)
teh Web panel
the MP3 panel
its basicly like the Panel idea from SE but way better and easier to access.
1 touch, here we go web browsing
another touch, lets view some pictures
yet another touch, and scroll through your fav apps/people
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Yeah, exactly great for not-so-heavy usage.
If you really extensivley use some apps it's better to go to them directly.
And ONSCREEN of SE panel you can have just any app with one click, what is easier??
Anyway, always an individual pattern!
maybe also a "Function follows style" question
i've never found a cmos camera chip (the ones used in all webcams and phones) to be
any good compared to ccd which is the type used in real digi cams
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careful there - I'm a semi pro photographer and I own two Canon DSLRs (a 20D and a 5D) and they BOTH use CMOS sensors, as do the new top line Nikons. The 5D is right up there near the top of the image quality tree.
It's more a size of sensor / cheap hardware issue than whether it's CCD or CMOS.
regardless of the above, the camera on the Kaiser is truly awful. Really, really bad. The X1 is a lot better (i may actually keep some of the pics I take on this one!) but still not amazing.
back on topic, I've gone from Kaiser to X1 find the X1 much better to use. I like the panels, although they could be a bit quicker, the call quality is really good compared to so-so on the Kaiser I had, GPS works better and the screen is fantastic. Plus it's smaller and lighter - more like a phone to hold. The keyboard is not for the large of finger though which may or may not be an issue for you. Battery life is better than my Kaiser had too, although I'm really comparing an 18 month old battery to a new one there.....
I like the optical pad as well, once you get used to it it's great. Oh and surfing using Opera is much better than it was with the lower res screen of the Kaiser.
One thing that DOES annoy me on the X1 is the slow video playback at full resolution (i've got to try the new converter out yet). AND the device occasionally locks up for no reason, but it's rare.
btw I loved my Kaiser (my wife has it now) but the X1 is newer, higher spec and generally better in most areas (in MY opinion, that is!)
HTH....
Seems that WinMo lack of good stuffs... You know that WinMo based devices are equipped with touch screen, but why. WHY even the same app, the iPhone one got really nice GUI than WinMo one?
Try to google some apps that available on both iPhone and WinMo. Even though they got same functionality, the iPhone one got nicer GUI than WinMo.
The WinMo one always got SUCK GUI... That's really not right...
and I hope the first answer isn't just: Buy iPhone instead of complaining. And if you call yourselves a bunch of good programmer then make a program with nice interface like iPhone's apps instead of ordinary conventional WinMo apps...
the only ewplanation dude is that WM phones are corporate oriented instead of the Iphone.
Apple also spend lot of money in advertising to let people know about the iphone and hire lots of sbcontractors in order to develop games and apps.... so that is why lots of programmer and designer are working with the Iphone...
But I think this is going to change in the next future as HTC finally understood that the need to spent money on advertising
Nice answer... thanks... ^^
But, you know moTweets right?
The super cheap Twitter client (only US$3.99) that Panoramic Software developed.
It has a very nice GUI like iPhone, got complete and perfectly-working feature as well.
And this morning I asked Panoramic to develop Facebook application as well, since there is no single good/decent Facebook application for WinMo yet.
I asked them to make Facebook application for WinMo with nice GUI like moTweets and the functionality like Facebook for BlackBerry.
And here's their answer to my idea (we had conversation via Twitter) @PanoramicSoft: "We will definitely consider creating a Facebook app for WinMo. Thanks."
So, just tweet them and give them a vote.
They're surveying whether they need to develop this app or not.
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And this morning I asked Panoramic to develop Facebook application as well, since there is no single good/decent Facebook application for WinMo yet.
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Yes there is. Microsoft developed one.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/en-us/downloads/facebook.mspx
Yup, I'm aware of that software. But is it a good one? It just a failure I think. Can't even load the NewsFeed properly, need manual refresh to get the current feed. What I mean is: the one that got feature like BlackBerry's Facebok program and nice iPhone-like GUI.
And forgot to tell you. Do you notice that Microsoft's Facebook app just stuck at 1.0.0.7p with no future development?
Me, personally won't count it a program, its a complete failure and crap that Microsoft released to fulfill user's demand for Facebook app. Am I wrong? ^^
Cheers... ^^
Hy,
i think that apple has a brilliant marketing strategie for iphone. But not more!!!
No, you're wrong. We, as a bunch of good developer, surely can make programs like iPhone one. isn't the GUI just a drawings after all? If we can skin our ordinary apps into something eyecatching like iPhone's app, then why not?
You know the fact: Blackberry got nice working Facebook app, iPhone also got one. What about our so called legendary OS WinMo? The oldest even before iPhone. Not even single decent Facebook app!!!
Am I wrong?
If you count the Microsoft's Facebook app as the good one, then I guess it can't be helped. But I'm really not satisfied with that not-working program.
Some men see things as they are and say why - I dream things that never were and say why not.
Since the first reply was not just go get an Iphone, this reply should be good enough. Just get an Iphone then
Well, WM is much older, so most apps out there are still ugly and stylus-dependent.
Also it was first made for businessmen, not the common user, we just adapted it to our needs with TONS of amateur freeware here.
And since the iPhone is new (and because of that, vastly superior on video card and CPU), there arent ppl around with old hardware.
And dont get me started on the games department... stop making frikking puzzles and start making quakes!
I think the main issue is the SDK. There are a lot of easy libraries for the iPhone that make it easy to make a nice looking program for the iPhone. WinMo is starting to add some nicer looking buttons and stuff to it's library, so hopefully around WM7 time, people will be creating stuff on an equal scale.
The other big issue for WinMo as opposed to iPhone, is that when you are devoloping for the iPhone, you only have 1 screen size, and 1 hardware spec to deal with. With WinMo, you have to account for all of the different phones and different hardware.
Where is this nice GUI for the iPhone you have been talking about? I have yet to see anything but a bunch of icon for a GUI?
So if you look at these two images you would chose the iPhone GUI over the WinMobile one? Long story short, we can make our WinMobile's look like an iPhone but can they make there iPhone's look like WinMobile? Yes there is a lot of new cool stuff out there for iPhone as far as apps go but how much of it is free and how much of it is actually useful?
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Where is this nice GUI for the iPhone you have been talking about? I have yet to see anything but a bunch of icon for a GUI?
So if you look at these two images you would chose the iPhone GUI over the WinMobile one? Long story short, we can make our WinMobile's look like an iPhone but can they make there iPhone's look like WinMobile? Yes there is a lot of new cool stuff out there for iPhone as far as apps go but how much of it is free and how much of it is actually useful?
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that's android, not WM
I agree totaly with TS. All the winmobile applications looks like crap, they look the same they did like 4-5 years ago, there is a "arcade pack" for touch pro, and seriously I think nintendo 8bit has better graphics. Every application always looks like crap games look and work like crap. You guys always say that HTC phones are mostly made for office people but seriously have many of you actully are office people and not techis like me? I love the htc phones, the idea of having a mobile with windows is teh ****. I think winmobile phones could be 100% better then Iphone, it's been around alot longer then iphone, iphone has been around for 2 years and it kicks htc's asssss!
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that's android, not WM
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The phone in the pic may be android but, my phone looks just like this and it is not android.
Here is a link to my work. http://www.lakeridgesoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15732
with windows mobile u can multi-task.
there is developer freedom in the winmo world. u can get a cab from xda and install as opposed to the facist apple world.
most winmo apps are free.
nuff said.
i will not deny that winmo applications look like a telnet window, but we are slowly getting there. im expecting a lot from winmo 6.5 and 7. 7 might just even be the best smartphone os out there will multi touch, finger friendly ui and a great development platform. not to mention microsoft is really giving good incentives for the market place so that should kick off well too.
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The phone in the pic may be android but, my phone looks just like this and it is not android.
Here is a link to my work. http://www.lakeridgesoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15732
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I dont see the likness in of an android thou it looks really good. But i like touchflo3d, you got everything integrated like musicplayer etc.
BarateaU said:
I dont see the likness in of an android thou it looks really good. But i like touchflo3d, you got everything integrated like musicplayer etc.
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Agreed! I think so too!
This argument isn't over which platform is better for everyday use, it's only about the UI of applications. There's no doubt, the *average* program on the iPhone looks a lot better than the *average* program on WM.
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Well, WM is much older, so most apps out there are still ugly and stylus-dependent.
Also it was first made for businessmen, not the common user, we just adapted it to our needs with TONS of amateur freeware here.
And since the iPhone is new (and because of that, vastly superior on video card and CPU), there arent ppl around with old hardware.
And dont get me started on the games department... stop making frikking puzzles and start making quakes!
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But now, it's used as a standard PDA-Phone instead of businessman.
And most of my friend use WinMo PDAs like TP2, but they only use it for game, facebook, and stuffs.
About hardware, the iPhone's hardware isn't better than today's PDA. Well, the big issue maybe the VGA driver. Today's WinMo isn't equipped with decent VGA drivers. But, blame on the PDA's maker for it.
And about game, I totally agree with you. Stop making those card and tetris game. That's why WinMo isn't well developed. Developers just need to start making those 3D games like -again- iPhone's. There's no better games than iPhone's.
We got far more superior hardware, but why? Why ppl never utilize it? They only make those card and tetris and puzzle game. 2D ugly boring game.
And one question: Can the devs just make a new app with futuristic GUI? Again: Panoramic's moTweets got nice GUI. iPhone like GUI indeed.
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I think the main issue is the SDK. There are a lot of easy libraries for the iPhone that make it easy to make a nice looking program for the iPhone. WinMo is starting to add some nicer looking buttons and stuff to it's library, so hopefully around WM7 time, people will be creating stuff on an equal scale.
The other big issue for WinMo as opposed to iPhone, is that when you are devoloping for the iPhone, you only have 1 screen size, and 1 hardware spec to deal with. With WinMo, you have to account for all of the different phones and different hardware.
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About screen, I guess you're right. But what I'm talking about isn't the screen size. It's about make those button image looks futuristic and more eye catching. It's about art and graphic design right?
And not to speak bad about MS. I simply lost faith in MS. MS' simple program, their Facebook program for example, can you count it as a good program?
Isn't that just a matter of making the graphics? Is it really need a SDK to create those graphics?
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Where is this nice GUI for the iPhone you have been talking about? I have yet to see anything but a bunch of icon for a GUI?
So if you look at these two images you would chose the iPhone GUI over the WinMobile one? Long story short, we can make our WinMobile's look like an iPhone but can they make there iPhone's look like WinMobile? Yes there is a lot of new cool stuff out there for iPhone as far as apps go but how much of it is free and how much of it is actually useful?
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Yes, its the ICON and buttons and sort of that things actually needed in WinMo's apps.
You see that we got far more superior hardware than iPhone. But why wasting that resource?
As developers, we can make something useful (not like a bunch of useless crap in iPhone) but in such an artistic way. Just replace those old button with glossy button and more futuristic shape. Isn't that just a matter of making the graphics? Is it really need a SDK to create those graphics?
Another example: Palringo messaging got nice GUI as well. So y'all know I'm not promoting moTweets.
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I agree totaly with TS. All the winmobile applications looks like crap, they look the same they did like 4-5 years ago, there is a "arcade pack" for touch pro, and seriously I think nintendo 8bit has better graphics. Every application always looks like crap games look and work like crap. You guys always say that HTC phones are mostly made for office people but seriously have many of you actully are office people and not techis like me? I love the htc phones, the idea of having a mobile with windows is teh ****. I think winmobile phones could be 100% better then Iphone, it's been around alot longer then iphone, iphone has been around for 2 years and it kicks htc's asssss!
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Yup, I'm totally agree with you also.
This all WinMo's apps are great programs but with crap GUI, in fact this nowadays WinMo's app GUI is like WinMo 2003 app GUI.
And you got my point.
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with windows mobile u can multi-task.
there is developer freedom in the winmo world. u can get a cab from xda and install as opposed to the facist apple world.
most winmo apps are free.
nuff said.
i will not deny that winmo applications look like a telnet window, but we are slowly getting there. im expecting a lot from winmo 6.5 and 7. 7 might just even be the best smartphone os out there will multi touch, finger friendly ui and a great development platform. not to mention microsoft is really giving good incentives for the market place so that should kick off well too.
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How slow, even Microsoft don't have any good intention to upgrade such a small program like their Facebook program. And I really laugh about WinMo 7. More bugs will come while the old bugs still there.
The WinMo 7 will got nice GUI indeed, but we're talking about the apps. Take the SMS app for example. It just like the oooolllllldddd WinMo's SMS GUI. Look at iPhone's one. Even though we got threading SMS as well but the INTERFACE is really ugly.
Am I wrong?
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This argument isn't over which platform is better for everyday use, it's only about the UI of applications. There's no doubt, the *average* program on the iPhone looks a lot better than the *average* program on WM.
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Yes, that's what I'm talking about. You get my idea. I'm comparing the apps and the GUI especialy.
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The question is: Is it really hard to make a good buttons and icons and you know; just to mention a few of it: some nice messaging box, glossy and round-edged button, transparent icon, remove the left-right and up-down old navigation bar that used for scrolling and replace it with kinetic-scrolling, etc etc..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9F4QJK1wFs
looks "basic" slow and pretty sh**ty after all this wait....
'working prototype'. That's a little troubling for me. It's going to be released in ~8 months. It should be close to a 'release candidate' instead of 'prototype'..
i wouldn't worry yourself.... its not even going to be worth installing !
Are we still able to use the standard WM theme ?
I don't want all them icons !
OMG. why when i see the main screen - i feel like throwing up? so much unused space, azure color, the wasted space on the right - feels like the screen is not properly aligned... If you are out of good ideas for the design - why not make a Win7 theme with the aero. make buttons have more aero feel, not this bs...
P.S. IMHO, for it to succeed they will have to redo the design and make it highly customized.
P.P.S. Did you know big dev companies are already dropping win 6.5? example - Skype, Adobe...... I hope WinMo7 burns in hell
I wouldn't complain about speed at this point; look more at the functionality and what it does rather than the speed of the transitions, time it takes to respond to touch etc. Those are all tweaks that can be done closer to RTM.
I'm still expecting them to include some kind of background on the start screen, since that full black background is just odd.
As much as some people here are complaining, MS has really placed a lot of emphasis on UI study the last few years and designing crazy yet efficient UIs around them. See Office 2007, 7bar, etc.
I think if they let you skin that start screen background, it'll be much more tolerable.
The rest of the UI is pretty sharp IMO.
Of course, if MS doesn't allow it, the clever folks @ xda will make it so anyways.
I thought they are not making a version for the HTC HD2? They officially will not make windows 7 for the HD2 as it has more than 3 buttons :S wtf
I like the demo phone, it's slick, wonder how the back look like.
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OMG. why when i see the main screen - i feel like throwing up? so much unused space, azure color, the wasted space on the right - feels like the screen is not properly aligned... If you are out of good ideas for the design - why not make a Win7 theme with the aero. make buttons have more aero feel, not this bs...
P.S. IMHO, for it to succeed they will have to redo the design and make it highly customized.
P.P.S. Did you know big dev companies are already dropping win 6.5? example - Skype, Adobe...... I hope WinMo7 burns in hell
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+100
It's even uglier than my first impression on the day it was officially announced. bleh
I would not install it on my HD2 even if I was paid to do so.
very brilliant os ,look at the animations and the workability
Why is it that all the titles are cut off half way?
It makes no sense. Also, there is so much space...
And WHO NEEDS BING.
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Why is it that all the titles are cut off half way?
It makes no sense. Also, there is so much space...
And WHO NEEDS BING.
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Im also not very found with bing, but i'm not gonna go to conclusions yet - lets wait for the MIX event. But the spacing is just ridiculous - 20-25% of the screen at the top is filled with the word "PEOPLE" "GAMES"..... - personally i can't find a logical explanation.
Lock's to me like WM 7 has to be compleate rebuild by xda-members before we can think about to use it. Dont like what I see...
Microsoft should be carefull with their WM devlopment since they already have lose alot of the marked, it's short way to miss the rest of it.
The only thing I don't like is the start screen. if you could skin it with sense I am sold. or customize it to give me what sense gives me I am sold.
what is the screen size of this prototype and what may be its processor
can the design be any worse? I mean hardware and software are disgusting