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I posted a similar thread on the Touch Pro forum and had no real answers so will ask the question here.
Are there any people here who had a Touch Pro and moved over to the X1 ??
I am getting very close to ditching my Touch Pro as it is simply not a usable business tool. It is a nice toy and asthetically pleasing, but as a tool to use everyday for 100+ emails and phone calls, it is unacceptable.
I want to stay on a WinMo platform and will probably go back to my old TyTn2 - the best phone I have ever owned in my opinion - but what are the real experiences of X1 owners who use their device as an everyday tool ??
Thanks
Steven
I have them both and I am selling the Touch Pro. I will write more on my reasons later when I have more time...
Cool thanks - I would be interested to hear your summary.
Drop me a PM if you don't want to publish on the forum
I've owned both the touch pro and the xperia x1. Its kinda of a hard to say one is better than the other. I can give you the pros and cons of both and tell you why i kept the xperia and sold the touch pro.
Xperia Pros
-Fast rotations speed (fastest i've ever seen on a winmo device)
-3.5mm headphone jack
-800x480 resolution (both a pro and a con)
-recessed screen which means its hard to scratch when you lay it on a desk or something
-more responsive touch screen
-sleeker design
Xperia Cons
-Worthless panels
-one of the worst keyboards i've ever used
-slightly buggy but you can counteract that with a new rom
-stupidly placed speaker (its at the bottom of the device basically right where you would hold it with ur hand)
-Weak speaker
-Not sure if anyone else notices this but when run coreplayer for an extended period of time the video generation slows down on the device and requires a restart.
-WVGA screen has some compatibility issues but those seem to be being worked fairly quickly
Touch Pro Pros
-One of the greatest keyboards i've ever used (AT&T screwed up the key layoud in my opinion)
-I prefer the more square screen instead of the wvga
-magnetic stylus is nice
-less buggy tfl3d and overall as well
-Accelerometer (Nice but useless)
Touch Pro Cons
-slow rotations screen
-tfl3d landscape is crap
-no 3.5mm headphone jack
-non recessed screen, much easier to scratch
The reason i kept the xperia was purely because of the rotation speed and the 3.5mm headphone jack. It can use tfl3d from the touch hd and it seems to run it smoother. I do miss my touch pro keyboard though.
I hope this helps
Hah, I had HTC in my hands, now I own X1.
I would add - I love panels, and don't like useless - for me! - TouchFlo.
Some good points on the post above.
One main thing missing though is the build quality. Xperia feels hands down better opposed to the the Pro and its plastic feel. I honestly felt that the Pro is going to be in 2 pcs in 6 months.
Panels are useless to me to, but that is no issue since Im running a rom where panels have been removed... Software things are not issues IMHO, everyone can install what they want by installing a clean rom.
The screen on the Xperia... WHAAAAAT!!! is 100 times better than the screen on Touch Pro. Not only the obvious more pixels but the responsiveness... much better feel all around. I used my Pro yesterday to get it ready for sale and really, it felt like Im using a device from year ago because the screen on the X1 has so much more pixels and is so much better in feel too...
The joystick on Xperia is much better and useful than the wheel on Pro.
Xperia has the soft buttons opposed to the stupid homekey on Pro. (Pressing OK takes you home)
Basically 2 things are better on the Pro:
1. The keyboard... But now that I got used to the Xperia's board I actually like its feel more. Its missing the number row and CTRL key (what you can get by nice little app found from the board)
2. stronger community behind the device, because lets face it, ALL HTC PHONES WOULD BE PRETTY ****T WITHOUT XDA... But there are still bugs on the Pro too, and if you compare Touch Pro's community to Diamonds; its no contest, so much more users on Diamond.
Thats the reason we got the Xperia to dutty, I honestly think he can take this device a step further. Also by time as X1 gets cheaper more users will find Xperia the more it will be developed. (NOT BY HTC, BUT THE MEMBERS OF XDA DOING IT FOR FREE FOR THEM)
I think thats enough for now... I can write more as something comes to mind...
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Some good points on the post above.
One main thing missing though is the build quality. Xperia feels hands down better opposed to the the Pro and its plastic feel. I honestly felt that the Pro is going to be in 2 pcs in 6 months.
Panels are useless to me to, but that is no issue since Im running a rom where panels have been removed... Software things are not issues IMHO, everyone can install what they want by installing a clean rom.
The screen on the Xperia... WHAAAAAT!!! is 100 times better than the screen on Touch Pro. Not only the obvious more pixels but the responsiveness... much better feel all around. I used my Pro yesterday to get it ready for sale and really, it felt like Im using a device from year ago because the screen on the X1 has so much more pixels and is so much better in feel too...
The joystick on Xperia is much better and useful than the wheel on Pro.
Xperia has the soft buttons opposed to the stupid homekey on Pro. (Pressing OK takes you home)
Basically 2 things are better on the Pro:
1. The keyboard... But now that I got used to the Xperia's board I actually like its feel more. Its missing the number row and CTRL key (what you can get by nice little app found from the board)
2. stronger community behind the device, because lets face it, ALL HTC PHONES WOULD BE PRETTY ****T WITHOUT XDA... But there are still bugs on the Pro too, and if you compare Touch Pro's community to Diamonds; its no contest, so much more users on Diamond.
Thats the reason we got the Xperia to dutty, I honestly think he can take this device a step further. Also by time as X1 gets cheaper more users will find Xperia the more it will be developed. (NOT BY HTC, BUT THE MEMBERS OF XDA DOING IT FOR FREE FOR THEM)
I think thats enough for now... I can write more as something comes to mind...
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Yea i completely spaced on the build quality. You are right its 10000000000x better. Excellent Points.
Yeah, the build quality feel could be compared to the difference when I got the Kaiser after TyTN...
When you close the Pro you hear a "klonk", but on the X1 its more like "snap"
I think Xperia would be the ultimate WinMo device if we would get more of the greatest cooks to the device.
But also you see some of these things are a based on opinions and can be different for you, i.e. I prefer the joystick over the wheel...
One thing also is that using Touch Pro in landscape on a table is impossible...
X1 all the way
Halfpenny said:
I am getting very close to ditching my Touch Pro as it is simply not a usable business tool. It is a nice toy and asthetically pleasing, but as a tool to use everyday for 100+ emails and phone calls, it is unacceptable.
I want to stay on a WinMo platform and will probably go back to my old TyTn2 - the best phone I have ever owned in my opinion -
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my two pennies... (pun intended)
The points above are well thought of and I completly agree...
1. Yes the build quality in touch pro was pathetic, I could hear a buzzing noise (by the hardware) when am on call. If i press it against my ears hard, it would stop. This was driving me crazy. But this could be one off
2. The Pro is a finger print magnet. I would constantly keep cleaning it (would look dirty all the time). The x1 looks and feels sexy
3. Touch Pro has got UMTS(850), which would be a deal breaker if you are in the states and your city doesn't have 1900. Also i could see a diff in signal strength inside my office. But this could be a radio issue or I might just be imagining it. Never had these side by side to give you a concrete answer
4. Yup the keyboard in pro is far better, but once i got used to x1's keyboard am not complaining.
5. All the sensors in Pro are simply amazing and couple that with Gyrator you can do simple anything. The stylus sensor is pretty cool and so are the touch sensitive buttons. Esp, zooming in Opera is priceless.
5. The two things that put me off X1 is the lack of custom ROMs and support here. Next is the stupid speaker, if u hold it in one had; you can be 100% sure that I won't hear it
6. Also I have the iPhone, comparing the accessory i get for that, x1 is pathetic. I couldn't even get a decent pocket pouch.
Over all you can't go wrong with either one. But if the small screen is hurting ur experience with the pro then x1 is definitely better. And with Dutty coming to X1, rest assured u gona have a blazing ROM
Finally I couldn’t get the point you were trying to make, if you didn’t like Pro as a tool then what’s so good about Tilt? If you answer that question we could give you a concrete answer.
Note:- I have the TyTn, Tilt, iPhone, G1 and the X1 (exchanged it for the Pro, which was exchanged for the Diamond)
Few more:
1. When talking long calls TP gets really hot (build quality issue)
2. Xperia has much better battery life (at least at my location)
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5. All the sensors in Pro are simply amazing and couple that with Gyrator you can do simple anything. The stylus sensor is pretty cool.
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Both are true... The g-sensor is pretty useless IMO though (more of a toy)
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so are the touch sensitive buttons. Esp, zooming in Opera is priceless.
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The joystick on on X1 is touch sensitive... Scrolling through emails or navigating in menus by swiping your finger I find it much better over the wheel... On wheel you have 2 directions, on the pad 4...
+ I went back on using the Opera Mini 4 over the Opera Mobile 9.5, because mini is still the best and the fastest browser...
I agree on both points again I might have to try Opera Mini 4 on my Xperia.
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my two pennies... (pun intended)
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1. Yes the build quality in touch pro was pathetic, I could hear a buzzing noise (by the hardware) when am on call. If i press it against my ears hard, it would stop. This was driving me crazy. But this could be one off...
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I owned the TP (EU version on US ATT) first. Then I got the X1 (EU SILVER also on US ATT). Then I went back to the TP.
After going to the X1, I thought I would NEVER return to the TP but plain and simple it was the POOR BUILD QUALITY OF THE X1 SILVER that turned me off!! See the VERY FIRST thread in this forum about Cracks in the Case! My X1 Silver had cracks...felt like it was falling apart before my very eyes.
I know some blame SE, some blame HTC...whatever! I'm back using a TP (ala ATT FUZE) but NOW with 3G/HSDPA and loving it!
Everyone's PROs and CONS are many and very valid...for me, the only way to determine was to try them both!!
-The X1 displayed more brilliant pictures and of course the graphics speed was excellent playing certain games (Quake, etc.) and watching hi-rez movies.
-I do also miss the VGA 30fps video recorder too on the X1. That's all I miss though. These things the TP/FUZE will never have.
Opera Mini 4.2 is amazing browser. Opera Mobile 9.5 too and it supports - some - flash as well as tabbed browsing, better bookmarks handling and txt copy!
As for OMini 4.2, it loads some pages zoomed in without zoomout function, and landscape mode is not supporting it at all.
However is'a great browser AND it saves data, I mean it loads like 1/8 of a real page's size!
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Both are true... The g-sensor is pretty useless IMO though (more of a toy)
The joystick on on X1 is touch sensitive... Scrolling through emails or navigating in menus by swiping your finger I find it much better over the wheel... On wheel you have 2 directions, on the pad 4...
+ I went back on using the Opera Mini 4 over the Opera Mobile 9.5, because mini is still the best and the fastest browser...
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yea its 4 way, but you have to do a lot of swiping cos the button is small. In Pro you just move in circles.
Also Pro's wheel is much more accurate, x1's button moves in 2s so its hard to pick in a list.
About the sensors...
I had gyrator pick and drop calls when i pick the mobile and then put it face down. I accept, picking the call wasn't working 100% and you had to check if the call is dropped when u put it down. But man it was cool
Yes, its a toy thing. but for me (as I would believe for most), I love these gadgets cos they are cool toys and not a tool. I would even go to an extent to call iPhone a tool (I know people are going to pounce on this)
But hear me out, with an iPhone i could check the movies (with review and trailers) running and check all the good restaurants (with user reviews and menus) near where I am. Check live soccer scores, get live updates on my bills and utilities to name a few.
Obviously all these can be done on x1/Pro maybe even better but my issue is 1. Its hard to get an application to do these and that with good user friendly UI 2. I need to pay huge money if at all I find one (all the applications I stated are free for iPhone)
This is getting side tracked, all i wanted to say is these are toys unless you have to do something specific that could be done only by a WM.
Some excellent points. Thanks all.
It is not the small screen that is putting me off the Touch Pro - it is simply the worst, most untested bug ridden device I have ever used.
I bought the device - one of the first out in September with an EU ROM. When I first got it it was a little slow but seemed ok.
Then I started to try and buy some properly licenced Sat Nav software for it and choose Co Pilot Live for HTC Touch. I did not have the well documented satellite lock issue but the lag when driving made the device unusable. I was for example at least 100 meters past a junction before I was told to turn.
The delay in the phone ringing means that unless you have the screen in your view an impatient caller will hang up before you can answer.
I have my data connection live all the time to recieve email from my company MS Push Mail server. TF3D often crashes or restarts meaning a soft reset. And the lag in typing a message is often difficult to live with. A soft reset fixes this but it soon comes back
I have tried I imagine all the patches, hacks, fixes, CAB, registry changes, tools recommended on the Raphael forum here but none have cured all my issues enough to make the tool a viable everyday device a la Blackberry (ok I know this is a Windows Mobile device by again, my trusty TyTn2 is rock solid and stable).
I have also gone back to HTC's painfully hopeless support teams who apparently are not aware of any lag or GPS issues with the device.
So know I want to try something else - the Samsung Omnia doesn't cut it for me, so it's either the X1 or the new Palm Treo Pro.
I've got to say that the Omnia can't be compared to the X1,
Omnia doesn't even feel like a phone it's a horrible piece of plastic. The only thing that is interesting is the 5.0 WOW megapixel camera compared to the X1's 3.2
Omnia is the worst Samsung I've ever had.
Horrible screen resolution, to much interface (Samsung's own brew over Windows Mobile) enlarged everthing on the screen (like its made for blind users or something) but the good about that is that is finger friendly.
There is no stylus, you can attach one but it will give your phone nice scratches because its not inside the phone but along like a keycord.
- No stylus
- No 3.5mm jack
- No mini-usb
- No Keyboard
- No tactile directional keys
- Resolution 240×400
- Big screen (Size, not the resolution)
- Finger friendly
- Better optical directional key sensor
- Screen quality (Color & much more brighter and white)
- Slim (because the lack of an keyboard)
I have a huge dilema guys. I've been lusting over the X1 ever since it was released in December. However, I have an HTC Touch Cruise... Its clearly not a very outdated device. Have any of you upgraded from a 400mhz Touch series phone or newer, and if so do you feel you got your money's worth?
So what are your thoughts? Could the X1 keep you satisfied for over a year? (FYI, I feel the Touch Pro 2 is ugly and bulky and I'm not at all down with HTC's new pattern of devices w/o DPADs or camera keys or functional landscape)
The only phones I see pulling me away from the X1 are a GSM Palm Pre with North American 3G (not likely to be released any time soon), Sony X2 (no inidication as to when one will come out), or the "3rd Gen" iPhone w/Skype, A2DP, and 3D nav w/voice (hell will prob freeze over before it can do any of those).
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I have a huge dilema guys. I've been lusting over the X1 ever since it was released in December. However, I have an HTC Touch Cruise... Its clearly not a very outdated device. Have any of you upgraded from a 400mhz Touch series phone or newer, and if so do you feel you got your money's worth?
So what are your thoughts? Could the X1 keep you satisfied for over a year? (FYI, I feel the Touch Pro 2 is ugly and bulky and I'm not at all down with HTC's new pattern of devices w/o DPADs or camera keys or functional landscape)
The only phones I see pulling me away from the X1 are a GSM Palm Pre with North American 3G (not likely to be released any time soon), Sony X2, or the 4th Gen iPhone w/Skype, A2DP, and 3D nav w/voice (hell will prob freeze over before it can do any of those).
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4th gen iPhone? Wheres the 3rd gen iphone.
I havn't ever used an actual HTC device other than the TyTn II (which is horrible) but if you like HTC, then Xperia is a pretty nice one.
Palm Pre looks like it's gonna do sweet things, but again, never used a palm, so it's the same as when I thought my iPhone would do sweet things, which is subsequently didn't.
It depends what you want, as far as phones go, it's probably the most dissappointing one (other than the iPhone, that's rock bottom) that I'v owned, especially havnt owned almost every Nokia N series device.
That being said, it's the WinMo that's the make or break, and you can't expect it to behave like a Sony Ericsson, because it really isnt.
So, if you like WinMo and can live with it, the SE Xperia is a nice place to be, and the community here is great for it.
Maybe in time the pace will pick up and we'll start finding more made for this resolution and landscape additions, but that's assuming it doesn't get steamrolled first.
If you're comfortable viewing in smallll screen go for Xperia, else take Touch HD or the upcoming Diamond II. I gues when Diamond 2 is widely available, Touch HD could have a drop in prices.
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Carty..
The lack of camera key on the Touch Pro is not a big deal, the middle action key is touch sensitive, so to zoom in you just lightly touch the action key and press to take picture. Not as "fun" as pressing real shutter key, but it works nice, So I reckon future devices from HTC would be equipped with similar system, especially for Touch Pro 2.
For a year the Xperia will surely holds, and with strong support from the community, it would probably last longer... Especially if Winmo 7 is hacked into it. The screen is not so terribly small, it's in fact to me a perfect balance between screen size and phone size... The HD/G01/iPhone is just too big for me.
The previews for Palm Pre unveils its promising future, beautiful interface combined with WebOS seemingly easy to develop apps, and developed by a company with strong history of great devices... It's simply going to be great. But... how about teething issues of new device, and worst, new OS? Surely there will be some rough roads for early adopters.
The X1 as it is, is a great device, compact yet stylish enough to reflect serious intentions from its owner.
Do note however, you choose Xperia because it's Windows Mobile. Judging from your signature... It's not quite the cup of tea you prefer. So, iPhone or Pre is your best bet... And heavier on Pre because it has iPhone like interface, WinMo functionality and awesome keyboard. I even have a slight crush on the Pre, but my X1 + Outlook combo is still top notch until the Pre came out and all of those would be bugs ironed out.
I had a Cruise and now an X1.
There is a HUGE difference.
The screen is awesome, the software is better, as the performance.
Also GPS is better.
I'm very satisfied with X1.
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However, I have an HTC Touch Cruise... Its clearly not a very outdated device. Have any of you upgraded from a 400mhz Touch series phone or newer, and if so do you feel you got your money's worth?
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I did exactly that - I still have the Polaris (P3650), a trusted backup device
The X1 has - obviously - much higher screen resolution, more Storage/RAM and a faster CPU. All of these things count.
There are also a number of excellent cooked ROM's here to make it zing.
I see from your post you want N America 3G, so presumably you are looking at the X1a.
The drawback I've seen is that the battery overheats when on wifi or GPS for longer periods (>1 hour, say) while charging from either the wall outlet or a car charger
If you are unlikely to exceed these parameters, then the X1a will work well for you.
Nonetheless, keep the Polaris as a backup for a while
Thanks all! Its good to hear some real world experience from X1 owners as well as ex Touch Cruise guys. I didn't get a feel for how many of you felt the X1 was a device that could stand the test of time and let you continue upgrade free for a decent amount of time... But I guess that's just about the individual person's characteristics as it is about the X1.
Ohh, and I didn't mean to give the impression that I'm anti winmo. At this point in the game, I can't switch from it, as its the only mobile OS that does everything I need. Its just too bad that it lacks speed and touch friendliness (hence the sig).
And if anyone's listening, one more question:
How do you guys like the panel UI? I'm one to try and make things work. I like HTC Home and the Cube. TF3D...not so much b/c it requires concentration and precision while using and could never really be used in a car (IE making a phone call over handsfree or starting up a Navigation app).
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I had a Cruise and now an X1.
Also GPS is better.
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I did a test of GPS with both devices (Polaris and X1) with interesting results.
Both devices were exactly side-by-side on a ute tray in the field at the same time. Same GPS survey program running on both of them:
P3650 6 satellites HDOP 1.5m
X1 9 satellites HDOP 0.9m
Radio ROM in the P3650 (Polaris) is 1.64.08.21
Radio ROM in the X1 is 1.10.25.18
The 50% difference in satellites found and 35% difference in horizontal DOP is down to the improvement in GPS in the appropriate Qualcomm CPU's and maybe the radio ROM's for each device. The X1 is way better here.
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Thanks all! Its good to hear some real world experience from X1 owners as well as ex Touch Cruise guys. I didn't get a feel for how many of you felt the X1 was a device that could stand the test of time and let you continue upgrade free for a decent amount of time... But I guess that's just about the individual person's characteristics as it is about the X1.
Ohh, and I didn't mean to give the impression that I'm anti winmo. At this point in the game, I can't switch from it, as its the only mobile OS that does everything I need. Its just too bad that it lacks speed and touch friendliness (hence the sig).
And if anyone's listening, one more question:
How do you guys like the panel UI? I'm one to try and make things work. I like HTC Home and the Cube. TF3D...not so much b/c it requires concentration and precision while using and could never really be used in a car (IE making a phone call over handsfree or starting up a Navigation app).
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Ok, my perspective for you on that last question, as a person that has never used winmo and has become very big on finger touch interfaces.
The Panels help this a lot here because for me, some of the most important features of my phone are texting, music, wifi and bluetooth (file sharing, web browsing)
So, without touching the stylus I can pretty much achieve all of these.
So, I start on the Today Screen, nothing I need there really. But I like to have my IM program there.
I want some music I hit the panel key, press the MediaXperience panel with my thumb and then navigate that with the optical pad (which I have set to minimum sensitivity cause it really is sensitive!)
I'm done listening to music I want to browse the web or send/receive by bluetooth I hit the panel key, press on the SE panel (the one with the big clock) I can toggle wifi/bluetooth on/off there. I can see if I have any messages or calls. Excellent.
If I need to file browse I have Resco Explorer installed in Touch Optimised mode, and I slide out the keyboard or use Finger Keyboard 2 to choose commands from the menus.
HTC Enlarged start menu for easy finger pressing if i need to do anything there.
Microsoft Voice Command if I want to do some things like find out what my appointments are for today/tomorrow.
Phone calls are easy and don't require the stylus, I generally call teh same 4 or 5 people so I dont use the contacts much andi nstead just scroll thorug hthe recent calls with the optical pad.
If I need to call a specific contact I will slide out the keyboard or use the voice command. Even with my phone book full of "colourful" names it works fine.
Messages etc are simple, I normally don't send messages first, I'm only every replying to them, so I just hit reply, slide out the keyboard and type away.
I think that' about it, I can't think of anything else I normally do with it. Most of the time i spend now with the device (other than the important stuff) is customising it and trying to make it sync my email as well as my iphone doe over wifi while it's sleeping.
What kind of device would it take to make you leave touch HD and switch to something new?
I've been looking at some of the latest generation devices popping out (from various manufacturers) and I have to say I have not been not one bit tempted to make the switch.
So, for some future imaginary HTC device, here's what I'd like to see addressed:
Hardware related:
1. Illuminated hardware touch sensitive keys. I really hate this isn't present on Touch HD. A tinly LED would solve this and make the device much more usable in the dark.
2. More hardware keys. Perhaps a camera button, or simply few "blank" buttons that users can customize. A scroll wheel would be awesome.
3. A better visual indicator of received / missed calls and messages. That tiny LED on power button is hardly noticeable. They should've placed it on front side.
4. More easier way to soft-reset and swap memory cards. Perhaps dual memory card slots.
5. Make the device slightly more responsive, either by increasing memory / processor speed, or optimizing the bundled software. If ROM chefs can do it, I guess HTC can too.
6. FLASHLIGHT LED (This should've been the first on the list )
7. Add multi-touch.
8. Video output would be nice.
9. Make an accessory that would serve as a small portable and detachable Bluetooth keyboard. I can't figure out why HTC doesn't offer this. Is it so hard to rip out the keyboard from say new Touch Pro 2 and put a battery and Bluetooth chip inside that would work as a HID interface device?
SOFTWARE RELATED
1. Proper drivers that support hardware video acceleration.
2. Complete overhaul of Touch Flo 3D. Make it skinnable, make it highly user-configurable, integrate it even deeper over ugly WinMo.
3. Fix the annoying bugs.
4. Add default Divx and Xvid support. For a device with word "HD" in it's name, and such a big screen, this really should've been done long ago.
I'll leave other ideas to you
I like where you are going with this. However we all know that the "perfect" device will never be made due to the fact that people will then have no reason to purchase anything new unless hardware tech increases.
They aren't going to bundle everything you have said in there due to the compromise they would have to make between power/battery life/useability.
However I'd almost like to see a cut down version of this...iPhone like I suppose. Only offer 10 features or so (good overlay of SMS, Email, web browsing layers) but do it almost seamlessly without the need for using WinMo standards (such as SMS etc..). Get those right and provide a sleek, slim, portable, and cheaper device.
The one thing I hate is the fact that I have a front camera on the touch hd but hardly any software to take advantage of it in terms of video calling....renders it useless.
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I like where you are going with this. However we all know that the "perfect" device will never be made due to the fact that people will then have no reason to purchase anything new unless hardware tech increases.
They aren't going to bundle everything you have said in there due to the compromise they would have to make between power/battery life/useability.
However I'd almost like to see a cut down version of this...iPhone like I suppose. Only offer 10 features or so (good overlay of SMS, Email, web browsing layers) but do it almost seamlessly without the need for using WinMo standards (such as SMS etc..). Get those right and provide a sleek, slim, portable, and cheaper device.
The one thing I hate is the fact that I have a front camera on the touch hd but hardly any software to take advantage of it in terms of video calling....renders it useless.
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I agree with you in some aspects. Yes their will never be a perfect phone as everyone has different opinions on what the perfect phone is. So what may be perfect to you, may be no where near perfect for me etc. Thats why there will always be a wide variety of phones.
I disagree with you on manufacturers bundling everything into phones as that is what is currently being implemented by all manufacturers. Phones nowadays aren't just a phone they have cameras, radios, mp3 players, navigational apps like tomtom, tv tuners, personal organisers etc. Why have one of each when you can have one in all. This is what the customer wants and the manufacturers are realising this and are already producing devices with this already built in. With time the quality of these devices will improve.....but there will always be room for improvement. This is why we will never be happy IMO. For example. If you go out and buy a 50 inch plasma tv. Next year a better model will e available and you will want it instead etc etc etc.
Thats my 2 cents anyhow!!
Happy to say that people share the same thought. at least it is one step closer to be perfect.
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I like where you are going with this. However we all know that the "perfect" device will never be made due to the fact that people will then have no reason to purchase anything new unless hardware tech increases.
They aren't going to bundle everything you have said in there due to the compromise they would have to make between power/battery life/useability.
However I'd almost like to see a cut down version of this...iPhone like I suppose. Only offer 10 features or so (good overlay of SMS, Email, web browsing layers) but do it almost seamlessly without the need for using WinMo standards (such as SMS etc..). Get those right and provide a sleek, slim, portable, and cheaper device.
The one thing I hate is the fact that I have a front camera on the touch hd but hardly any software to take advantage of it in terms of video calling....renders it useless.
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I'm not sure a "perfect" device will never be made. There were some in the past that would pretty much fit into "perfect" category, based on their market position and "features vs. price vs. usability".
Also, I do not advocate putting everything into every device, but as you know, Touch HD is sitting pretty much at the top of the food chain when it comes to Windows Mobile devices. So, it's logical that it's feature pack will be bigger then the devices placed lower. I don't even want to throw in the average mobile phones in here.
My ideas are mostly very easy to implement / improve. For example, lets take a look at the Touch HD camera. They packed inside a 5 megapixel camera that takes rather ****ty photos even in perfect conditions, and they left out a LED flashlight. Wouldn't you rather have a LED flash and 3 megapixel camera that takes decent photos? Not to mention that the flashlight can also be used as a torch light in everyday situations.
Battery life on Touch HD is actually best out of all 2008. touch screen devices. Believe it or not, but you'll actually squeeze 30 minutes more battery out of Touch HD then out of famous iPhone, and the rest of the touchscreen gang isn't even close! I would gladly give up 10-15% battery life for an illuminated hardware keys and a flashlight and pay equally bigger end price.
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My ideas are mostly very easy to implement / improve. For example, lets take a look at the Touch HD camera. They packed inside a 5 megapixel camera that takes rather ****ty photos even in perfect conditions, and they left out a LED flashlight. Wouldn't you rather have a LED flash and 3 megapixel camera that takes decent photos? Not to mention that the flashlight can also be used as a torch light in everyday situations.
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Agree with you there mate, though I don't think a compromise on camera i.e. 3 MP with flashlight is the way forward. Look at Samsung for instance. They are able to provide 8MP cameras with autofocus and flashlight. Why can't HTC follow suit? Instead they keep throwing out 3.2MP with flashlight. I heard there next release is still only 5MP. Why not try and leap infront of their competitors? Its this kind of thing which irritates me
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Agree with you there mate, though I don't think a compromise on camera i.e. 3 MP with flashlight is the way forward. Look at Samsung for instance. They are able to provide 8MP cameras with autofocus and flashlight. Why can't HTC follow suit? Instead they keep throwing out 3.2MP with flashlight. I heard there next release is still only 5MP. Why not try and leap infront of their competitors? Its this kind of thing which irritates me
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Ah, well, the reason for Samsung offering some pretty damn good phone cameras is simple: they already have a strong photo / video department within their company. Heck, they even have an SLR photo cameras, not to mention quite decent compact cameras.
So, with that technology already being developed and implemented within the house, it's much more simpler for them to throw out devices with 8 megapixel cameras and autofocus and xeon flashlight.
HTC is (s)lacking in this area.
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Ah, well, the reason for Samsung offering some pretty damn good phone cameras is simple: they already have a strong photo / video department within their company. Heck, they even have an SLR photo cameras, not to mention quite decent compact cameras.
So, with that technology already being developed and implemented within the house, it's much more simpler for them to throw out devices with 8 megapixel cameras and autofocus and xeon flashlight.
HTC is (s)lacking in this area.
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Yes to some extent, but I think thats to easy an excuse personally. The technology is out there and easily copied between manufactuers and competitors. All you would need to do is go out and buy some camera, take it apart and learn how it worked. How long have cameras been around, and HTC is japanese. Aren't they supposed to be the best at compact electronics??
2 Years ago when I got my Prophet I thought about the same topic.
At that time I wanted a bigger screen with a higher resolution, a 3,5mm audio jack and a faster processor. When the HD came I thought it would be the perfect device for me but now I want other things.
The most annoying thing of the HD is the lack of Hardware keys and D-PAD.
I used them all the time with my Prophet and many programs need them or are much more usable with D-PAD and real hardware buttons. I've always asked myself why HTC gave the HD only 2 Hardware Keys. It may have the touch keys but they aren't usable when the screen is off and you press them sometimes by mistake and they aren't really usable at night.
They could just take a look at some old devices and see what they did better with them. For example the reset key. On my Prophet it was easy accessible without the need to remove the cover. The same with the SD card.
One good thing is that you can change the SIM while the device is running. It isn't easy because there is a pin that should prevent it but with some force you can take out the SIM without taking out the battery. So why can't they make the SIM easy changeable if possible even without the need of removing the cover.
The camera is bad but I haven't seen a really good camera from HTC yet. The only thing it can better than most other camera phones is taking videos because it doesn't use 3gp but that is everything good there is to the camera of the HD. And they could make the camera much better only by putting in a flash because without much light the camera of the HD isn't usable.
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HTC is japanese. Aren't they supposed to be the best at compact electronics??
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HTC aren't Japanese as far as I'm aware. They're Taiwanese, and generally they're best @ mass producing stuff and not exactly classy innovation (just look at ASUS, Gigabyte and all the other Taiwanese PC co's....).
Anyways, my wishlist for a "perfect" device with (hopefully!) near-future avaliability (some of these may have been mentioned already):
Hardware:
1. MultiTouch. Apparently with some new software even resistive screens can be as nice as responsive as capacitive ones.
2. 3.7" WVGA screen. Yeah I know smaller than the current 3.8" on the HD, but a slightly smaller screen = better handling when only using one hand, v. important for a mobile device imho. And @ that size, it's still possible to read (just) webpages without zooming in massive amounts (unlike the X1 / Diamond2)
3. Dual-LED Flash (at least!) w/ Auto-Flash. If SE can get Auto-Flash working on the X1, so can HTC!
4. SonyEriccson W950-style backlit buttons instead of the capacitive ones they have right now. It's annoying since I sometimes accidentally press those without meaning to.
5. Lanyard hook / hole. WTH they didn't include it before, I dunno.
6. (Optional) Slide-out landscape keyboard w/ dpad (kinda like the N97, but no silly angled slide)... always nice to have a proper keyboard when typing long emails
7. 1Ghz Snapdragon or some other sort of beefy processor so we can enjoy games and other stuff @ WVGA res without slowing down!
8. At least 512mb RAM. I want to be able to do TRUE multitasking and not have to shutdown apps just because Opera is starting up. And I wanna stop getting those annoying "out of memory errors" from NFS:U!
Software:
1. More stable OS. I don't wanna have to soft-reset the device every couple of days! If my previous Symbian-based UIQ3 SE W960 could work for weeks on end without having to reset it, WinMo should be able to do the same.
+ What Rozenthal said
So many people share the thoughts on the obvious defects in HD.
Was wondering whether I should return it. But which one else could be the good substituion?
In another word, HD is the perfect device til now?
henrik.dk said:
So many people share the thoughts on the obvious defects in HD.
Was wondering whether I should return it. But which one else could be the good substituion?
In another word, HD is the perfect device til now?
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If you're going for Windows Mobile, I don't think you'll find a better device available at this moment. I would not go as far to say that it's "perfect" - as any high-tech device, it has it's downsides and annoying moments, but it is the best you can get.
Also, biggest change for me since getting my Touch HD was flashing a custom made ROM. That felt pretty much like getting a new device.
Sorry if i posted at the wrong section
Hi guys... i saw and view the specification and it seems that HD2 is a beauty...
thats why i need comment of HD2 pros and cons.
Because trading-in X1 to HD2 still required me to pay additional SGD600 (W/out trade-in is SGD740, And its brand new). its quite a huge sum for me...
So i am here seeking HD2 user's comment about this phone before i purchase it.
I appreciate any comment related to this topic.
Thanks
P.s. If possible, hope those HD2 user mind telling me why you would want to purchase this phone. Also your feeling/thought.
Thanks again.
Oh the HD2 is brilliant.
Some would see Windows Mobile as a let down, I'd disagree. It's an easy platform to develop for, should you come across an application you can't find. The HD2's huge screen with huge resolution is brilliant for... well everything. It's hardware means you get top-performance from whatever you do. HTCs Sense UI is also just a god-send, the best mobile interface I've come across.
Anything that's 'just not right' about it will have no doubt been 'fixed' by somebody here on XDA.
oh... Does it reocrd "HD" video?
Htc.com didn't says anything about it... ;(
It's maximum recording resolution is 640x480.
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It's maximum recording resolution is 640x480.
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2 question to ask... Hope you know the answer
640x480 is HD2 screen resolution? surprised. X1 was 480x800... LOL. anyway, it doesn't matter.
Do you know the Fps for recording video?
and:
Mind telling me the maximum screen ratio aspect. is there 16:9? or just 4:3?
thanks sorry if i ask too much question...
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Sorry if i posted at the wrong section
Hi guys... i saw and view the specification and it seems that HD2 is a beauty...
thats why i need comment of HD2 pros and cons.
Because trading-in X1 to HD2 still required me to pay additional SGD600 (W/out trade-in is SGD740, And its brand new). its quite a huge sum for me...
So i am here seeking HD2 user's comment about this phone before i purchase it.
I appreciate any comment related to this topic.
Thanks
P.s. If possible, hope those HD2 user mind telling me why you would want to purchase this phone. Also your feeling/thought.
Thanks again.
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Hi xxDoggyxx,
As a previous X1 owner, I did have reservations about going from a seemingly small device with a hardware keyboard to a big screened touch only device.
I can safely say, I am more than happy with the upgrade! The X1 was a good phone (had its build faults, etc) but the fluidness and ease of use, coupled with the bigger screen makes it worthwhile.
Pros:
- Bigger easier to read screen (even though I have great eyesight, sometimes I did find myself straining to see the X1 details)
- On-screen keyboard (this was a potential no-go for me) it took me less than a week to get used to it from a hardware keyboard (I had one on my last 3 handsets). The haptic feedback seems to really help, but that is an opinion based comment!
- Fluid menus - The SenseUI has actually made me take a step back from SPB's Shell (had the X1 SPB panel) and for most users, it is pretty much there. (There are a few bugs, but it is a complex system)
- Reception - phone reception has been almost double the strength of my X1 in most of the situations I've tested (one of which is my girlfriend's house, which acts like a Faradays Cage to most phones!)
- Facebook/YouTube/Twitter integration - I never really used Twitter that much, nor uploaded any photos to Facebook, but now I actually have decent programs to do it with, its changed my usage pattern totally.
- iPhone comparison - My X1 never really interested my 'iPhone fanboi' mates (I loved it) but a lot of them seem to be jealous now!
- Sat-Nav - I used my X1 all the time as a Sat-Nav device, but with the much bigger screen, the HD2 is a much superior device in this instance.
- Rave reviews - I read the best part of 20 reviews before I upgraded, and most of them only mentioned one or two bad points (pink tinge in camera - solved with update, and windows being the OS - its an opinion whether you like it or not)
Bad points:
- The bigger screen - it may be too big for some, sometimes I've noticed I need to shuffle it around my hand to get to some places, when using it with a single hand. I must admit, watch a few DVD 'rips' on it and the screen is forgiven!
- Little niggles - like not being able to send images via bluetooth (via the Album) - taking a while to be able to type a text reply if you have a lot in your inbox (this is understandable as there is a lot to it!)
- Cost - but there again, when has the bleeding edge of mobile handsets even been cheap?
- Hardware issues - You may come across lots of people complaining on this forum about hardware quality, but then how many people have posted saying it is a fantastic device? Most people only 'pipe up' to complain, not to compliment. I for one are one of the latter.
Haven't really used the Camcorder app, but i'll see what I can find out.
There's 3 resolutions you can record at, VGA (640x480) being the max. They all seem to be 4:3.
Can't find any information on the FPS.
TO: RP-X1.
What does it means by: :"watch a few DVD 'rips' on it and the screen is forgiven!"
sorry, my english... And: "unable to sent picture via bluetooth in the album". i understand that there is a application called album, which view your picture easily. But, i still can bluetooth songs and picture at file explorer right?
TO: RJackson.
With my knowledge of camera... LOL ... The HD2 is not "HD" it does not record "HD" video 4:3 is very very very small. if you view on a 42" LCD tv, you cannot see anything unless you stretch it. UNLESS... ... it is 4:3 @ 720fps [check with me again]
RP-X1 and RJackson, Anyway. thanks for the information... HD2 not "HD". a bit disappointed....
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TO: RP-X1.
What does it means by: :"watch a few DVD 'rips' on it and the screen is forgiven!"
sorry, my english... And: "unable to sent picture via bluetooth in the album". i understand that there is a application called album, which view your picture easily. But, i still can bluetooth songs and picture at file explorer right?
RP-X1 and RJackson, Anyway. thanks for the information... HD2 not "HD". a bit disappointed....
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Hi, sorry!
DVD 'rips' are copies of DVD recordings so I can watch them on the HD2. The quality of the screen and hardware make it a pleasure to watch films on it.
Yes, you can send images and audio files via bluetooth in the File Explorer. The Album program is great for looking at pictures and videos, but they seem to have missed the bluetooth sending option out.
Unfortunately, I do agree with the HD2 not being 'HD', but there are many technical issues with HD imagery. The HD2 has a much higher resolution than most other mobile devices, so I can see where HTC have made the HD connection.
actually, not to say that HD2 "sux", but the fact that the screen is really "small". the specification says that the screen is 4.3" (WOW) but it is only 480x680? Seriously, i am very very shocked. X1 screen is smaller yet higher resolution...
If you still had the xperia at hand, mind trying one simple thing to do.
Get the same video, place it at your xperia and HD2. view both at once. does xperia looks clearer? do not compare their ratio aspect. Thanks
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actually, not to say that HD2 "sux", but the fact that the screen is really "small". the specification says that the screen is 4.3" (WOW) but it is only 480x680? Seriously, i am very very shocked. X1 screen is smaller yet higher resolution...
If you still had the xperia at hand, mind trying one simple thing to do.
Get the same video, place it at your xperia and HD2. view both at once. does xperia looks clearer? do not compare their ratio aspect. Thanks
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They are the same resolution, 800 x 480.
The bigger screen makes things a lot easier to navigate (no need for stylus) and you don't need to struggle to watch things on it (some videos I played on the X1 were hard to watch, especially dark ones).
I can't deny there will be a 'quality' difference as the pixels will be bigger, but you don't notice the images going 'blocky' when viewing on an HD2, well I don't anyway.
I find it easier and more comfortable to watch videos on the HD2, for others they may prefer a smaller screen.
No, you don't understand.
The screen is 800x480, de facto it is the maximum for WinMo, as on your Xperia.
But the video recording is 640x480.
The screen is beautiful and huge, so don't worry about that part.
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Hi xxDoggyxx,
As a previous X1 owner, I did have reservations about going from a seemingly small device with a hardware keyboard to a big screened touch only device.
I can safely say, I am more than happy with the upgrade! The X1 was a good phone (had its build faults, etc) but the fluidness and ease of use, coupled with the bigger screen makes it worthwhile.
Pros:
- Bigger easier to read screen (even though I have great eyesight, sometimes I did find myself straining to see the X1 details)
- On-screen keyboard (this was a potential no-go for me) it took me less than a week to get used to it from a hardware keyboard (I had one on my last 3 handsets). The haptic feedback seems to really help, but that is an opinion based comment!
- Fluid menus - The SenseUI has actually made me take a step back from SPB's Shell (had the X1 SPB panel) and for most users, it is pretty much there. (There are a few bugs, but it is a complex system)
- Reception - phone reception has been almost double the strength of my X1 in most of the situations I've tested (one of which is my girlfriend's house, which acts like a Faradays Cage to most phones!)
- Facebook/YouTube/Twitter integration - I never really used Twitter that much, nor uploaded any photos to Facebook, but now I actually have decent programs to do it with, its changed my usage pattern totally.
- iPhone comparison - My X1 never really interested my 'iPhone fanboi' mates (I loved it) but a lot of them seem to be jealous now!
- Sat-Nav - I used my X1 all the time as a Sat-Nav device, but with the much bigger screen, the HD2 is a much superior device in this instance.
- Rave reviews - I read the best part of 20 reviews before I upgraded, and most of them only mentioned one or two bad points (pink tinge in camera - solved with update, and windows being the OS - its an opinion whether you like it or not)
Bad points:
- The bigger screen - it may be too big for some, sometimes I've noticed I need to shuffle it around my hand to get to some places, when using it with a single hand. I must admit, watch a few DVD 'rips' on it and the screen is forgiven!
- Little niggles - like not being able to send images via bluetooth (via the Album) - taking a while to be able to type a text reply if you have a lot in your inbox (this is understandable as there is a lot to it!)
- Cost - but there again, when has the bleeding edge of mobile handsets even been cheap?
- Hardware issues - You may come across lots of people complaining on this forum about hardware quality, but then how many people have posted saying it is a fantastic device? Most people only 'pipe up' to complain, not to compliment. I for one are one of the latter.
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Best response imho... I also moved from the X1 to the HD2 and just dont regret it at all... I agree with all the things said by Rp-X1 above, but would also point out that the lack of a hardware keyboard was my biggest worry as I do a lot of typing on my phone and after almost a week I am so used to the HD2 on screen keyboard (using touchpal so I can also type in Chinese) its just awesome... HD2 is better than the X1 in nearly all respects I can think of at the moment... with more playing I expect it to only get better...
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2 question to ask... Hope you know the answer
640x480 is HD2 screen resolution? surprised. X1 was 480x800... LOL. anyway, it doesn't matter.
Do you know the Fps for recording video?
and:
Mind telling me the maximum screen ratio aspect. is there 16:9? or just 4:3?
thanks sorry if i ask too much question...
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no hd2 resolution is 480 x 800 not 640x480 and here is it"s full specifications in this link
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_hd2-2957.php
I switched from an X1 to a Touch HD to an HD2 ...
The X1 was a nice device, but the rather small screen (compared to the other 2 devices) and rather slow performance was the reason to switch to the Touch HD. I have to say it was a very good decision. The whole usability changes with the bigger screen - although it wasn't much faster ... But than the HD2 was announced and I sold my Touch HD. And what can I say: With the HD2 I finally got the perfect device. It feels like a whole device, not tinkered like the X1 or Touch HD - BUT you still have the ability to customize it like X1 or Touch HD. The whole TouchFLO (Sense/Manila - w/e you want to cal it) makes much more sense with the HD2 and the nice speed and stability.
However, there are some downside too ... My HD2 has dust under the screen, other users experience problems with their touchscreen responsiveness and so on ... check the forum for those problems.
I can only agree to all the pros already mentioned about the HD2 vs. Xperia X1.
The HD2 outperforms the Xperia X1 by all meanings.
The only thing you might miss is the hardware keyboard.
However, for me personally, the full power of HD2 was only unleashed thanks
to the Custom ROMs which you can get here in the forum. They complete the
device to a degree which one would love to see out of the box.
Thanks to the community here, I was already able to upgrade my Xperia X1
with the HTC Manila user interface; upgrading to the HD2 was a kind of the
logical next step for me. I don´t regret that purchase for any second.
Whenever I grab my still existing Xperia X1 (or any other device, for that
matter) to compare, I can see and feel a difference like day and night.
At the end of the day, it is always an individual decision to purchase anything.
It is always a mandatory step to touch and feel the product(s) of your choice
at a dealer - whatever other users say may not apply to you.
Thanks for all the comment... Perhaps I will get HD2 by next week. Already sold my x1 Lol.
Btw, whats in the box of HD2? I don't want to get scam by the shop. Thanks
also moved from X1 to HD2..
no disappointment at all!!
great device.. btw.. I still got my X1.. when I use it again my X1 feels soooo slow
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640x480 is HD2 screen resolution? surprised. X1 was 480x800... LOL. anyway, it doesn't matter.
Do you know the Fps for recording video?
and:
Mind telling me the maximum screen ratio aspect. is there 16:9? or just 4:3?
thanks sorry if i ask too much question...
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x1 display is 800x480
hd2 display is 800x480
x1 can record 640x480 , 640x400(wide) and smaller
hd2 can record 640x480 , and other smaller 4:3 sizes
thanks for the answers. I'm currently also considering a switch from the x1 to the hd2.
Did you (or could you pls) try out if the headphones with the integrated microphone also work on the hd2?
Thanks!
hey guys, im asking your opinion..im going to buy a new phone this february, i look that x2 looks nice...but i saw that many people disappointed with this phone because they said it always freeze, lag, low battery life...is that true?? please help me, if this phone good, tell me...im gonna buy this phone next month...if this phone is not good, then tell me why? what can i do to make this phone good? or u can suggest me better phone(must have 8mp camera, long lasting battery, wi-fi provided, great speaker for music, touchscreen, side slider qwerty keyboard, large resolution and screen)...
well, it depends on what do you expect from a phone. but mainly, no it isnt a good phone.
if your looking for a good phone buy HD2 (the second hand HD2 is around 80€ more then a second hand X2 but its worth every cent).
its a year old model with still good hardware. you can instal on it MW6.5.X or android... In my oppinion there is no better phone for a XDA forum entusiast.
but let me say another comparison from my own experience (since i had both X2 and HD2) X2 in my country costs like 200€ from second hand and it freezes. battery life is nothing to bragg abouth. bad touch experience its like slavery.
on the other hand HD2 cost from 280 up and its emense freedom. It works great, feels great. touch experience is great. hardware is strong. MW6.5.x, froyo, obuntu, wp7... freedom.
X2 does look good but the software is a joke and not a funny one.
if you have like to much money then get x2 just to see an example how can a solid phone on paper go disturbingly wrong in real life.
have a nice day.
A lot of people have opinions like the ones expressed by gbajzelj ... and I would like to express one of liking the X2 ...
I have had it since 4/2010. I am very hapy with the phone -- but I like the WinMo 6.5.3 interface with its flexibility -- and not having restrictions on the app use.
Regarding the phone -- I use the standard WinMo frame, disabled slideview, run overclock (with a clock speed of 1024), run Garmin XT, use Clean RAM, Lookout, have bluetooth always on, sync with IMAP email every 30 minutes and I am in HSPDA network coverage.
I get 2 days of battery usage, the last freeze was at least a week ago, and I don't remember when the one before that was. It doesn't play video very well ... but I am not sure if it is the video or not -- they are downloaded ones from UTube that were converted to mp3 format. Movies that I took with the phone itself work fine.
There are times when the phone will stutter and take time to respond -- usually when it is not getting a responce from the web (like PCs do when the network connection is hosed) ... If I wait for no more then 15 seconds, it responds, and then I do a Ram Clean and the X2 is back to normal ... it have been a week since that happened ... and it could be that I have learned not to do certain things -- but they do not appear to be related to a specific set of things that I do ...
The bottom line is that I am very happy with the phone ... and the times that it fails is no more bothersome then when Win XP failed or locked up on a desktop. I really like the keyboard for text entry and the office programs to run excel spreadsheets and storing of data in Word documents.
But as gbajzelj has said, other phones also run WinMo 6.5.3 and will also serve you well ... but I am a long term SE customer, and I have not been disappointed with the X2.
As a side note ... I looked at the new Dell phone (running Android -- I think) at a store, and its responce -- sliding screens / opening programs -- did not seem to be any faster then my X2 ...
If you don't mind loosing several hours in upgrading firmware, installing some fixes and avoiding to install almost all the Sony Ericsson buggy software, the phone will work fine. There are several post explaining how to do it, but doing this means that you won't have panels or slideview and some others SE's addings, but the phone will be faster than before (this doesn't mean that it will become in a fast phone) and what is most important, stable whit a decent battery life.
Despite of this, don't get cheated by its theoretical features: 8.2 mpx camera is not what is was supposed to be, it's not bad, but my old Nokia N73 takes better photos, smaller, but better, which is a shame. The video recording is painful. The response of the screen is not good, neither bad, but not good. The amount of RAM, 256 mb (about 100 mb free), could not be enough in some cases. Some features like the LED notifications, the light sensor or the backlight management don't work properly.
In conclusion, X2 isn't a bad phone (if you don't mind spending several hours in tuning it), but its paper features are very far of what they were supposed to be.
Greetings.
gbajzelj
then how could i make x2 be a great phone?? how to make it not lag anymore?
RJH57108
you convience me 2 buy it now..anyway, u disable the slideview, then how u use the phone in side-ways? are there hotkeys to turn the screen to slide view?
robuash
does it really take time to update it? what worst case can happen during update? is it true that update it to MR2 make it fast?
or u guys can suggest me other phone..i would like to have a phone that i can store many music, 8mpx camera, touch and sideslider, support games, great loudspeaker, wifi, no lag, great battery(atleast 2 or 3 days minimum for heavy and moderate usage)
MR2 makes the phone more usable and a bit faster, avoiding to install SE's **** adds another bit of speed and stability, but after all, the phone won't become in a snapdragon, it will be acceptable as best.
Upgrading firmware supposes the same risk than in other phones, if you run out of battery or you computer turns off, your phone will become in an expensive brick.
I don't know any other phone with this specs, the are great phones, much better than X2, but in my opinion always have a weak point, or the camera is rubbish, or don't have qwerty keyboard, or the battery is insufficient, etc... For me, no one is absolutely complete, so i can't suggest you anyone.
Hope this info helps, greetings.
thnks..well, last question, how much time did it take to update it?
esad (SE Xperia X2) said:
RJH57108
you convience me 2 buy it now..anyway, u disable the slideview, then how u use the phone in side-ways? are there hotkeys to turn the screen to slide view?
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Slideview is a panel that runs on the X2 -- there are panels installed on the phone, and Slideview seems to be started even though you use a different panel ...
Slideview has nothing to do the the screen rotation that is automatically switched when the keyboard is slide out -- there are also auto-rotate fixes for the x2 that will allow programs to rotate to the lanscape mode with just turning the phone (most of the -- don't rotate problems -- seemed to be related to games) ...
For playing music (I actually use it to play audio books) -- I use Mort's MortPlayer -- which seems to work well, and with an ADP2 bluetooth headset, they are easy to listen to ...
Good luck with your decision ...
@ RJH57108
(originaly plans to pm but then again the answers may help)
Does the notification bug (the one where alarms e.g. sms notifactions like sounds and vibrate wont work after a while of use) happen to your phone? Had me always resorting to soft reset so that I would know wheter I have sms or not..
Could use some help tuning this phone...
Might as well search for a overclocking program too..
Current using the 'free up ram' feature of sktools..how does it par with ramclean?
If its ok, I would like to pattern tuning my phone from yours..
I don't have the problems with the notifications ... I get them (both sound and vibration -- also when I have a bluetooth headset in use -- an A2DP capable one) even after days of having the phone on ...
I find that RamClean seems to work better without any problems -- I used to use the SKTools one, but it would occasionally freeze the phone ... the RamClean does not have problems ... I use the Level 3 clean with a scheduled clean every 3 hours ...
Will probably reset my phone this weekends if I'm not too busy...
Might as well try the 'start-from-clean-wm6.5' step..
Hope that fixes the notification bug too..
Good luck to me.
As for the overclocking, are you using the method in this thread?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=767538&highlight=overclock
That is the right thread ... using nueOverClockTest and Msm7kCpuSpeed ...
esad (SE Xperia X2) said:
hey guys, im asking your opinion..im going to buy a new phone this february, i look that x2 looks nice...but i saw that many people disappointed with this phone because they said it always freeze, lag, low battery life...is that true?? please help me, if this phone good, tell me...im gonna buy this phone next month...if this phone is not good, then tell me why? what can i do to make this phone good? or u can suggest me better phone(must have 8mp camera, long lasting battery, wi-fi provided, great speaker for music, touchscreen, side slider qwerty keyboard, large resolution and screen)...
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I have not had battery problems with X2; I've used it since Aug 2010. I always have bluetooth on, and connected to my BT watch, BT car stereo, or BT home phone. I have LOTS of stuff installed, and a 32gb SD card. I've been known to run certain apps for 2-3 hrs straight with screen on and still have some juice left over.
In all, I enjoy the phone for it's sleek design and excellent flush screen more than I did the X1 (I bought the X1 the month it debuted, and still have it). The keyboard is absolutely untouchable. That alone is something that makes any kind of bugs something you say, "I'll have to search for a fix for that," rather than, "I better get a new phone".
If SE ever really focused on fixing the firmware one more time, or present an Android option ...the X2 would stomp all over similar devices.
But, there are indeed many core issues with this phone that you have to surmount, even after upgrade to MR2 firmware:
1) Fix for the SD Card corruption-bug
2) Fix for the display backlight timeout not being controllable.
3) Fix for forcing the screen to go off, but not the device to 'sleep' (this helps with certain BT & wiFi connections & software)
4) Add software to select programs for auto-rotate w/G-sensor
5) Add Opera
6) Add Advanced Config to tweak system
7) It's better if you overclock it.
8) Add SK Tools for system maintenance
9) Add JetWare bluetooth extension in order to transfer contacts to car stereo (I had to do this with X2; didn't have to with X1)
Items 1-7 are all freeware, although some may be hard to find.
That being said, this is Windows Mobile...so not a real big surprise that you'll have some issues. If you want real 'freedom' with your OS, ...this is what you'll need to work through. If you want trouble-free but vanilla computing, get an iPhone.
The comments above by gbajzelj & robuash are extremely valid, on the opposing ends of view....
esad (SE Xperia X2) said:
gbajzelj
then how could i make x2 be a great phone?? how to make it not lag anymore?
RJH57108
you convience me 2 buy it now..anyway, u disable the slideview, then how u use the phone in side-ways? are there hotkeys to turn the screen to slide view?
robuash
does it really take time to update it? what worst case can happen during update? is it true that update it to MR2 make it fast?
or u guys can suggest me other phone..i would like to have a phone that i can store many music, 8mpx camera, touch and sideslider, support games, great loudspeaker, wifi, no lag, great battery(atleast 2 or 3 days minimum for heavy and moderate usage)
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A note on SlideView: this is essentially an extension of their media panel from the X1. While being a frustrating and buggy piece of software as people say, ...it's slick as Hell. I mean, I don't want to delete it (or the whole panel interface). It's why I bought the phone. I just think it's ridiculous when people say, "Fix your X2 by deleting SlideView and all Panels". --Oh, Thanks for that.
Just understand: you do need to buy a standalone photo viewer (Resco is great), and if you can't learn to love Windows Media Player, then expect to buy something like Pocket Player. SlideView is great for a handful of files, but not if you want to spend a lot of time with it. By that time, it will generally have cataloged some file it didn't like and crashed.
SlideView is launched if you press the hardware panel button once; panels are called by pressing the same button twice in quick succession. This could be better. Especially if your phone happens to be bogging-down at the time, ...you might not get the desired result on the first try.
A note on MR2: The firmware includes the "Saturn" black/gold theme from SE, which totally changes the look of your WM6.5.3 interface. It is slick, and it smartly increases fonts in correct areas, while making WM look modern. MR2 however, does not make the X2 magically 'fast'.
And, I think robuash is talking about the type of fixes I listed above. You will need to spend time tweaking. As a matter of fact, after running since about Sept, ...it's about time for a reload from scratch to clean things up. When I have 8hrs to spare, I'll get around to it. (Maybe I'll take a day off from work sometime.)
Lastly, I think someone above mentioned memory. As opposed to the X1, internal memory is very limited on the X2. You have to be real creative how you install stuff, and install absolutely everything you possibly can on the SD card instead of the system. (This is also where SK Tools comes in handy, because it lets you 'move' programs between Card and System & back, even for some programs that don't give you a choice at install time.)
Also, once you dip below 20mb program memory in the phone, it tends to get real buggy. I'm just above that right now, but I've got LOADS of programs installed (creatively, on the SD card).
I too, been thinking about getting the X2 for a long time. But theyre still quite expensive (In my opinion). I've always loved sony ericsson phones. I had the X1 awhile ago, my first WinMo phone, paid $250 for it, I only buy full qwerty phones, but at the time, i was all crazy about the whole android thing and the X1's keyboard was already giving me issues (space bar and some letters registering twice) so i got really dissapointed and sold it.
Then finally got myself the motorola milestone which i loved, but after tweaking my X1 so much, i sort of got bored with android, but it was still a GREAT phone so i decided to keep it until a couple of months ago mainly because, unfortunately, the milestone i bought (from amazon) was not compatible with my carrier's 3G frequencies so i had to use EDGE all the time, slow as hell. So i sold it and and decided to go with the HTC fuze so i could try winmo again, paid $100 for one(used) and cool and stuff but it still didnt look as good as the milestone or the X1 (thick phone and the screen sucked compared to the X1 and milestone) so i looked up the X1 on ebay and bought one used for $100 too lol.
So now i have the X1 AGAIN and love it more than ever BUT, theres the keyboard and flex cable issue >< , plus, the keyboard isnt as comfortable as the fuze's. Anyways, it just seems like the X2 would be perfect for me at this time since it would basically be a X1 without the issues i just mentioned. The only problem is that they seem to cost $250/$350 on ebay. For that price i could get used phones with way better specs.
Also, im not sure about X2's current android development.
shure X2 can be made farely OK (but not GOOD) phone with a little work and help from our friends from XDA.
but just to reming you. this device when came out costed around 500€ ($600). at lunch (in january 2010) it had old CPU (qualcom msms 7200 came out in 2007, alot devices from 2008 had it) it also had only 265 MB RAM wich was already then to little.
it was slow and buggy at lunch and it still is now (last update in may 2010 i think thats only 4 months after release and that is liie saying your costumers F YOU).
for a phone that costed 500€ at lunch i can assume its high end phone. and some people assumed that and pay for this phone when it came out.
i have to point out that i got it for free in february 2010 and i still have a feeling of being cheeted. for that kind of money it shoud look great (that it does), feal good (typing on the qwerty is nice, but the touch is a joke, even x1 had better touch response but x1 screen was not secured as good as x2 is) and also it shoud WORK good, wich if we buy a phone that is assumed high end it should but x2 doesnt.
what kind of high end phone corupts data on SD card (jeah there is a SDFIX but some data deffinitly got lost before it was made. and that does not sounds like a high end phone) what kind of phone takes almost 1/2 hour to setup (after a hard reset) and then works so slowly that you have to hard reset every week (shure you can hardreset, and interupt the costumizatin to have clean WM6.5.3 and then install some staff by yourself to make it usable)?
if a costumer buys a product (and again 500€ for mobile phone means it should be a mean machine, a multimedia monster, not that it says [email protected] video then even on the QVGA the framerate is not totaly 30fps) that product should work without ours deletting the SE stuff hardreseting it, SD problem fixes, notification problem fixes, LED problem fixes, baterry problem fixes, killing a task in taskmanager freezes... the phone should work great out of the box for gods sake! are you that dumb! IF YOU PAY FOR SOMETHIONG YOU SHOULD GET WHAT YOU PAYED!
just a little comparison i have a X2, had HD2 (had to sell couse i urgently needed money (am deffinatly buying HD2 again), and again the X2 is such a ****ty phone nobody wants to buy so i had to sell HD2), and my friend has htc tattoo.
X2 costs almost like HD2 (x2 €500, hd2 €550 maybe €600 and im talking new phones at thair releases) x2 has the display resolution like HD2, has a very nice query that is great to type. but it has a cpu slover then tattoo (and those who sees 528MHz and think the cpus are the same, THEY ARE NOT. 7225 is newer then 7200 the 7225 it might not be alot faster but it isa little faster) and has the same amouth on RAM as tattoo (256MB). and at my mobile operator with contract X2 costed 300€ and tattoo costed 60€, tatoo at elast has android (donut is realy old now but back then it was fine). im a fan of WM 6.5.x but still on X2 some things, that work on others 6.5.X devices, doesnt work.
in short (not realy):
-price is high end,
-qwerty above average,
-touch is low end (its better with the stylus but average max)
i so miss the touchpad with up, down, left, and right butons from my X1.
-cpu/ram is the low end of smartfhones (already was low at relese in Jan 2010 if i tell you that tattoo came out in Sep 2009 and tattoo is a low range of samrthones)
-it has a high end display resolution (but combination of slow hardware and big display resolution isnt the best)
- it has stability problems (stability wise the phone isnt finished yet. it more feels like a beta tester unit) the SD gets corupted, killing tasks in task manager has a chance your device will freeze and the are then strange happenigh when making a call or reciving a call (not always but sometimes, at least 2x a week) and then people who you are calling or who is calling you is asking "hey man whats wron with your fency phone? is it broken already". and you know that its not broke its the software wich is not good.
the best part of SE programing is definitly the Phone program it runs great. its well finger optimized and the contact list is so fluid, has nice tabs and so on.
to say in one sentence. mediocre phone with good qwerty, slow hardware and a hefty price tag.
at the moment am using it just for mailing, and surfing the web on my wifi. for calling im using my 6 year old nokia 1600 at least nothing goes wrong with that one and the battery runs for 10-12 days.
sorry for bad english.
im not 100% sure yet but after reading this whole thread im thinking of just fixing my xperia X1 (ribbon cable issue) and sticking with it rather than buying the X2
well X1 is more fun then X2 for shure. 6.5.3 is more finger friendly but the touch respond is not good with fingers (if X2 had capacitve display this would be a totaly diferent song). plus 6.1 that is on x1 is more functional. more stuff works as it should. alot of programers did not rewrite their apps for 6.5, 6.5.X so some apps have some truble here and there. spb shell (used 3.5.3, 3.5.5 runs to slow) in landscape on my X2 with 6.5.3 has some problems with hight and width. its not a big problem but its notiseble.
plus X1 has SE panel1 and 2 that i love. and the biggest plus in my opinion alot of roms to flash.
if i had a chance to swap X2 back for X1 i would. oh and if you get your X1 repared. and if you get sick of panels, spb shell, android, ubuntu... give a try to spb pocket plus wich i adored on my x1 its a nice small plugin for todayscreen. you have icons on the today screen, and nice tabs (7 max i think) and it looks realy nice. uses nice icons for everithing.
X2 might be OK to get if you get one totaly functionl and with no demage to the body for less then X1 will cost to get repared. but i dont think that is possible.
wish you luck.
sorry for bad english.
I see, thanks for your answer. Well, what about the X2 camera? i keep reading mixed reviews, some people say its garbage, others say its as good as the cybershot branded phones. How good is the camera in comparison with the X1?
And also the keyboard, thats the main reason i'd buy the X2, the camera would be a plus, IF its any good. But i guess those reasons alone arent enough for for me to spend $250 right now. I'd just save a bit more and buy a moto milestone or something.
XtriFe said:
I see, thanks for your answer. Well, what about the X2 camera? i keep reading mixed reviews, some people say its garbage, others say its as good as the cybershot branded phones. How good is the camera in comparison with the X1?
And also the keyboard, thats the main reason i'd buy the X2, the camera would be a plus, IF its any good. But i guess those reasons alone arent enough for for me to spend $250 right now. I'd just save a bit more and buy a moto milestone or something.
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I realize this is a month later, but if you (or someone) is wondering about the camera, you should know:
The X2 camera, while indeed being 8.1 mpxl ... only manages "2 mxpl" when in 16x9 mode. At least, this is how the menus describe it. On the X1, there was no distinction about a lower amount of mpxl's in-use when in 16x9 mode.
In reality, I'm not sure if this is truly a surprising bit of 'reversal' (where the older model is actually superior, albeit with a lower 'spec'), or if they just didn't 'publicize' the lower mxpl in the 16x9 mode on X1. --It does tend to put a 'bummer face' on you when you see that in the X2 camera menu.
Now, that being said ... I'd say that (however you shoot) the X2 camera is superior to the X1 in one very major way: lower compression. Although I took many a fine shot on my X1 ... the compression was pretty bad (especially on a city scene, etc. with a lot of varying detail & colors). The X2 shots have a more 'normal' look.
On the downside, the X2 seems to be more 'focus-finnicky', no matter what you do. You really need arms of steel to take a perfect shot on the X2 (and that was not the case on the X1, especially when using the 'motion mode' in the presets).
On the upside, I think the X2 produces better color balance in most lighting situations. I often take pictures of whiteboards at work after meetings. With the X1, I always needed to run pictures through varying levels of color-correction before sending-out, etc. I still do with X2, but to a lesser extent. Something with the contrast-balance is better so that lined text (like you have from board markers) maintains its quality. --This may again be another example in favor of X2 because of lesser-compression, actually.
So, it's a trade-off:
X2 'feels' like a much better camera (overall)
X1 is a little more solid/reliable, but less-potent & 'feels' more like a cellphone camera.
(There we go again. Yep, X2 is a sleek, upgraded phone, ...but with its share of quibbles.)
maybe this website may help you to make a choice..
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_x2-review-443.php