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I have had my 3G iphone for about 6-7 months now, and have in that time tried several new phones, namely Nokia E71, Diamond (horrible), X1 (lasted less than 1 day!) and I also own a Trinity.
Anyway, the HD arrived via www.devicewire.co.uk in the UK (doh) on Thursday last week, and I powered it up right away. It was £522 delivered.
I think in the UK, people are better off ordering online, since you have the 7 day DSR (Distance Sellings Regs) to fall back on in the event of dislike, dead pixels etc.
With the HD, I am surprised how much I like it..........put it this way, it came Thursday, and Friday it was a case of "yes, this is good, but nothing much better than the iPhone, so I can not justify the cost, so back it goes".....read on for what happened next
I even have the return code from devicewire (very good aftersales, even when you are returning stuff!!)
I can not say the HD screen blew me away, since the screen on the iPhone is a truly, truly lovely screen anyway, and I had been using this everyday for the aforemention 6-7 months.....but, for anyone who has not been using an iPhone, the screen is gonna make you do a double take. It is clear, big, bright and the fonts look amazing.
First thing I did was switch off the ambient sensor (yes, it does have one!), and put brightness up to full, I love contrast as my eyesight is not so good these days.
Now, this is why the iPhone has been so good for me, (although I guess most of you lot here will be younger with perfect vision), I find it has good large fonts, and great contrast.
Compare this to the default text size on the Diamond, or indeed the latest Sony X1, its tiny, and yes, I do know you can altertext size, but on a small screen, it just means you get less on a sreen and have to be scrolling all the time.
The HD is just perfect for me, nice big fonts, so smooth, and perfectly usable with either a finger, (even with a glove on, something that is not possible on iPhone), or a stylus, which as it turns the HD on, is handy to have.
So, the screen is as good as the iPhone, with better resolution, and as I just read in the Slashgear review, the actual touching of the two screens is very close indeed. Even coming from several hours use of the iPhone eveyday, I do feel that I will get on with the HD screen very nicely.
But hang on, I am not keeping this am I, I already have the return code and devicewire are expecting it back......well, I doubt it now.......I had put it all away very carefully on Friday, but it sat there looking at me, and I kept reading about it on here........it was all too much, got up this morning and thought "lets take it to work, Sunday is quiet usually, I can have a play".
Well, the breakthrough for me was to turn off Touchflo and install PocketPlus, a great piece of software I have used on many devices. Oh, that and TomTom 6 running in landscape on the trip to work
As for GPS lag, it is only about 10 miles to my workplace, but there is little or no lag present in TomTom 6.
TomTom is a big deal for me, I find nothing touches it, and it is a great disapointment that there is still no TomTom (or anything else!) for the iPhone, when you recall the stories that TomTom already had it running back at the 3G launch, it must be Apple who are blocking its release.....
I think Touchflo is just too "black" for me, not sure if it will run with a brighter skin or not, but I like the way PocketPlus makes a device look, much brighter.
Now, a lot has been written about WM 6.1 being hard to use without D-Pad? The only issue (apart from games which I confess is of zero concern to me) is for selecting little drop down (roll out) menus, and that is sorted with AEBPlus http://ae.inc.ru/aebplus.php which allows you to assign the volume up and down keys to act as Arrow Up and Arrow Down, and this sorts it and works well.
I can confirm the UK HD comes with the little soft case (its quite nice actually), but a word of warning, do NOT assume all iPhone cases will work, my one, and nice Marware slip case is too tight, and the HD is a smidgen wider that the iPhone. Anyway, I like the softcase. It was also nice to get the 8gb Micro SD card. I have not installed the screen protector yet, can never really get on with those anyway.
Keyboard use on the iPhone is pretty good, and I was very doubtful that HTC could get anywhere near it, but they have basically cracked it IMV. The buttons are the same size as iPhone and easy to use. I am making less mistakes in a few hours than I do after 6 months on iPhone.
Web browsing is not in my opinion as good as the iPhone, well, let me qualify that. If you just use fingers, the iPhone wins, but if you use fingers and the stylus, I think the HD then just shades it.
One very welcome side effect of returning to WM is the multitasking, this is one massive issue for us geeks on the iPhone, combined with the lack of cut n paste, it really shows the two devices quite far apart in usability.
Email is very good on the iPhone, and if you only have the one account (gmail for example) it takes some beating for simplicity. However, the HD also does a great job, and with a little wireless keyboard (impossible on iPhone), I think it will make a good laptop replacement)
RSS is OK on the iPhone, but much easier on the HD, with the built in RSS Hub program, which downloads all feeds, including video feeds. I like to watch Cali Lewis on Geekbrief www.geekbrief.tv everyday, and you have to jailbreak the iPhone to be able to do that (yes, I do know its coming in 2.2 software, but with a limit of 10mb over cellular, which renders it useless for video podcasts, and anyway, its a pain in the arse to upgrade iPhone and then have to jailbreak each time.
We are good at making our decisions fit the case, so the iPhone user is always going to say "oh, I don't really miss cut n paste", when in fact, you quickly forget how often it is useful.
I think for me, it comes down to this, the HTC Touch HD can do everything the iPhone can do and lots more, but the the iPhone can not do several things the HD can do. Does that make sense?
I hope this view (not a review IMHO), helps some of you, and just like the chap in the other thread, please feel free to ask any specific questions about useabilty, although please don't ask me to run x test on y video, using xx program while standing in a bucket of water, as I probably can not be bothered
A couple of program I will miss if I sell the iPhone are TV Plus, a great APP which gives a 7 day EPG and more inportantly, links to Sky Plus (UK only) and lets you setup recordings.
I will also greatly miss Remote, an Apple APP which controls iTunes on my main desktop PC, although I should be getting up off my butt to change charge anyway.
So, who wants to buy an iPhone ;-)
Kev
So font size was your only problem with the Xperia? I'm trying to decide between the Xperia (had it for about 5 days now) and the HD.
BTW, my other phone is an iPhone 2G and I do like the screen.
Whoops, forgot that bit.
No, I got the X1 in the UK at Vodafone (if anyone is interested they are £500 are are not locked to Voda.....well, my one was not anyway)
The fonts were always gonna be too small for me, but I hated the keyboard, the keys barely protrude over the case, very little feedback.
But the killer and reason for return within a few hours for refund was a horribly wobbly screen, but I accept this could have been my one.
Also, given that you would have to use on screen keypad to dial people, it was too fiddly, too small. That 3" screen is very narrow you know.
Sorry.
Kev
I bet there's a program on WinMo that let's you control not only your iTunes but your whole PC. On my current 4 years old Nokia, there's System Freak, that lets you do that...
Thanks for that post KevWright.
Like VeloAudio, I'm deciding between the Touch HD and X1. I still have some niggling concerns about the Touch HD but I am assuming the X1 has the same 'problems' or 'complications' so am leaning towards the former.
Your post bolsters the case.
Great post!
Can you delve a little bit deeper into the screen responsiveness please? Just a few more sentences on how it compares to the iPhone's would be great.
Also, this is probably unbelievably subjective, but which phone do you find sexier? For instance, you are on the bus and you take out your iPhone and you take out your HD, which feels sexier?
Thanks.
kevwright said:
A couple of program I will miss if I sell the iPhone are TV Plus, a great APP which gives a 7 day EPG and more inportantly, links to Sky Plus (UK only) and lets you setup recordings.
So, who wants to buy an iPhone ;-)
Kev
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You might be interested in a SlingBox, which allows you to stream and your own Sat/IPTV etc. over the web to your laptop or your WM device. It comes with software to control the IR on your video sources. I stream Bluewin IPTV and Sky to the SlingMobile software on my Trinity and intend to do the same with the HD tomorrow when it arrives. I hope it runs on the HD. I will report back later on that.
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You might be interested in a SlingBox, which allows you to stream and your own Sat/IPTV etc. over the web to your laptop or your WM device. It comes with software to control the IR on your video sources. I stream Bluewin IPTV and Sky to the SlingMobile software on my Trinity and intend to do the same with the HD tomorrow when it arrives. I hope it runs on the HD. I will report back later on that.
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From what I've read elsewhere, the Touch HD doesn't have an IR port, so you won't be able to use the IR functionality of Slingbox unless you mean the "box" itself attached to a TV?
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Oh, that and TomTom 6 running in landscape on the trip to work
As for GPS lag, it is only about 10 miles to my workplace, but there is little or no lag present in TomTom 6.
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What version did you install, and will it work in full WVGA or are their black bars on the screen?
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nu_D said:
Great post!
Can you delve a little bit deeper into the screen responsiveness please? Just a few more sentences on how it compares to the iPhone's would be great.
Also, this is probably unbelievably subjective, but which phone do you find sexier? For instance, you are on the bus and you take out your iPhone and you take out your HD, which feels sexier?
Thanks.
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Well, it is hard to say that much more, I have them both here and am playing now. Not sure if you know the iPhone, but on 2.1 software (jailbroken), when you press the button for say SMS, there is about a 2 sec delay while it loads up, now on the HD, its about the same, but on the HD if you leave messaging running in the background (which I suspect you can do with these better memory equipped models?) it is instant, with the iPhone you always get the delay cos nothing (well except the music player) is allowed to stay in background.
OK, using book reading software, I would say they are almost equal.........maybe the iPhone is fractionally better, or it could be I am more used to it.
As to your second point, I can't help mate, for one, I only have a vague idea of what a "bus" is, and the day I find either the iPhone or the HD "sexy", that is the day I go back to my Nokia 6310 )
OK, I think they look so similar mate, there is nothing in it.
Kev
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But the killer and reason for return within a few hours for refund was a horribly wobbly screen, but I accept this could have been my one.
Kev
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Are you saying they are all wobbly or it is just yours. You going to replace it I guess?
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What version did you install, and will it work in full WVGA or are their black bars on the screen?
Thanks in advance
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Hi, I can not find a version number I am afraid.
It looks great in portrait, but bloody fantastic in widescreen, I have it on a manual rotate screen, and there are NO bars in any view.
Kev
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Are you saying they are all wobbly or it is just yours. You going to replace it I guess?
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I would have no idea beyond my one mate. It was that bad that I could never live with it.
I have replaced it....with the HD )
I will not be getting another X1, fonts were too small, and after this screen, there is no going back.
Kev
Matterhorn said:
You might be interested in a SlingBox, which allows you to stream and your own Sat/IPTV etc. over the web to your laptop or your WM device. It comes with software to control the IR on your video sources. I stream Bluewin IPTV and Sky to the SlingMobile software on my Trinity and intend to do the same with the HD tomorrow when it arrives. I hope it runs on the HD. I will report back later on that.
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Hi, I do have Slingbox, and have even register Slingplayer, but I just have never had good perfomance on it to be honest. I am not realy fussed about watching TV on my HD, just this little app was great to tell my Sky box to record something, mainly cos it enabled you to do it even without turning the TV and Sky box on.
I am hoping there is something for WinMo
Kev
nokia e71 vs. htc touch diamond
hi kevwright,
after a bad experience with an htc diamond (very poor battery and many ROM updates), I've decided to go for nokia e71. Now I'm considering an htc touch hd, but I'm very curios about it's battery life. how the touch hd compare to the e71 in terms of battery life and general?
in call recording
Hi alll - I have posted a separate thread on this issue, but alas, I thought i would also ask it here from those that already have an HD.
in call recording feature - anyone tried it out? some are reporting that it doesn't work...even though HTC calls it out in their specs online.
can anyone kindly shed some real world experience w/this feature on teh HD?
Thanks in advance.
Someone tell this guy how paragraphs work...
Great post.. I allready bought Touch HD, and I have the same view as you!
Cheers!
Thanks for the insight, kev. Great post.
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hi kevwright,
after a bad experience with an htc diamond (very poor battery and many ROM updates), I've decided to go for nokia e71. Now I'm considering an htc touch hd, but I'm very curios about it's battery life. how the touch hd compare to the e71 in terms of battery life and general?
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Battery life looks like it will be quite good, but not as good as an E71 (screen is tiny!).
Had it only a day really, so I will update this in a few days.
Kev
I posted a similar thread on the Touch Pro forum and had no real answers so will ask the question here.
Are there any people here who had a Touch Pro and moved over to the X1 ??
I am getting very close to ditching my Touch Pro as it is simply not a usable business tool. It is a nice toy and asthetically pleasing, but as a tool to use everyday for 100+ emails and phone calls, it is unacceptable.
I want to stay on a WinMo platform and will probably go back to my old TyTn2 - the best phone I have ever owned in my opinion - but what are the real experiences of X1 owners who use their device as an everyday tool ??
Thanks
Steven
I have them both and I am selling the Touch Pro. I will write more on my reasons later when I have more time...
Cool thanks - I would be interested to hear your summary.
Drop me a PM if you don't want to publish on the forum
I've owned both the touch pro and the xperia x1. Its kinda of a hard to say one is better than the other. I can give you the pros and cons of both and tell you why i kept the xperia and sold the touch pro.
Xperia Pros
-Fast rotations speed (fastest i've ever seen on a winmo device)
-3.5mm headphone jack
-800x480 resolution (both a pro and a con)
-recessed screen which means its hard to scratch when you lay it on a desk or something
-more responsive touch screen
-sleeker design
Xperia Cons
-Worthless panels
-one of the worst keyboards i've ever used
-slightly buggy but you can counteract that with a new rom
-stupidly placed speaker (its at the bottom of the device basically right where you would hold it with ur hand)
-Weak speaker
-Not sure if anyone else notices this but when run coreplayer for an extended period of time the video generation slows down on the device and requires a restart.
-WVGA screen has some compatibility issues but those seem to be being worked fairly quickly
Touch Pro Pros
-One of the greatest keyboards i've ever used (AT&T screwed up the key layoud in my opinion)
-I prefer the more square screen instead of the wvga
-magnetic stylus is nice
-less buggy tfl3d and overall as well
-Accelerometer (Nice but useless)
Touch Pro Cons
-slow rotations screen
-tfl3d landscape is crap
-no 3.5mm headphone jack
-non recessed screen, much easier to scratch
The reason i kept the xperia was purely because of the rotation speed and the 3.5mm headphone jack. It can use tfl3d from the touch hd and it seems to run it smoother. I do miss my touch pro keyboard though.
I hope this helps
Hah, I had HTC in my hands, now I own X1.
I would add - I love panels, and don't like useless - for me! - TouchFlo.
Some good points on the post above.
One main thing missing though is the build quality. Xperia feels hands down better opposed to the the Pro and its plastic feel. I honestly felt that the Pro is going to be in 2 pcs in 6 months.
Panels are useless to me to, but that is no issue since Im running a rom where panels have been removed... Software things are not issues IMHO, everyone can install what they want by installing a clean rom.
The screen on the Xperia... WHAAAAAT!!! is 100 times better than the screen on Touch Pro. Not only the obvious more pixels but the responsiveness... much better feel all around. I used my Pro yesterday to get it ready for sale and really, it felt like Im using a device from year ago because the screen on the X1 has so much more pixels and is so much better in feel too...
The joystick on Xperia is much better and useful than the wheel on Pro.
Xperia has the soft buttons opposed to the stupid homekey on Pro. (Pressing OK takes you home)
Basically 2 things are better on the Pro:
1. The keyboard... But now that I got used to the Xperia's board I actually like its feel more. Its missing the number row and CTRL key (what you can get by nice little app found from the board)
2. stronger community behind the device, because lets face it, ALL HTC PHONES WOULD BE PRETTY ****T WITHOUT XDA... But there are still bugs on the Pro too, and if you compare Touch Pro's community to Diamonds; its no contest, so much more users on Diamond.
Thats the reason we got the Xperia to dutty, I honestly think he can take this device a step further. Also by time as X1 gets cheaper more users will find Xperia the more it will be developed. (NOT BY HTC, BUT THE MEMBERS OF XDA DOING IT FOR FREE FOR THEM)
I think thats enough for now... I can write more as something comes to mind...
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Some good points on the post above.
One main thing missing though is the build quality. Xperia feels hands down better opposed to the the Pro and its plastic feel. I honestly felt that the Pro is going to be in 2 pcs in 6 months.
Panels are useless to me to, but that is no issue since Im running a rom where panels have been removed... Software things are not issues IMHO, everyone can install what they want by installing a clean rom.
The screen on the Xperia... WHAAAAAT!!! is 100 times better than the screen on Touch Pro. Not only the obvious more pixels but the responsiveness... much better feel all around. I used my Pro yesterday to get it ready for sale and really, it felt like Im using a device from year ago because the screen on the X1 has so much more pixels and is so much better in feel too...
The joystick on Xperia is much better and useful than the wheel on Pro.
Xperia has the soft buttons opposed to the stupid homekey on Pro. (Pressing OK takes you home)
Basically 2 things are better on the Pro:
1. The keyboard... But now that I got used to the Xperia's board I actually like its feel more. Its missing the number row and CTRL key (what you can get by nice little app found from the board)
2. stronger community behind the device, because lets face it, ALL HTC PHONES WOULD BE PRETTY ****T WITHOUT XDA... But there are still bugs on the Pro too, and if you compare Touch Pro's community to Diamonds; its no contest, so much more users on Diamond.
Thats the reason we got the Xperia to dutty, I honestly think he can take this device a step further. Also by time as X1 gets cheaper more users will find Xperia the more it will be developed. (NOT BY HTC, BUT THE MEMBERS OF XDA DOING IT FOR FREE FOR THEM)
I think thats enough for now... I can write more as something comes to mind...
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Yea i completely spaced on the build quality. You are right its 10000000000x better. Excellent Points.
Yeah, the build quality feel could be compared to the difference when I got the Kaiser after TyTN...
When you close the Pro you hear a "klonk", but on the X1 its more like "snap"
I think Xperia would be the ultimate WinMo device if we would get more of the greatest cooks to the device.
But also you see some of these things are a based on opinions and can be different for you, i.e. I prefer the joystick over the wheel...
One thing also is that using Touch Pro in landscape on a table is impossible...
X1 all the way
Halfpenny said:
I am getting very close to ditching my Touch Pro as it is simply not a usable business tool. It is a nice toy and asthetically pleasing, but as a tool to use everyday for 100+ emails and phone calls, it is unacceptable.
I want to stay on a WinMo platform and will probably go back to my old TyTn2 - the best phone I have ever owned in my opinion -
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my two pennies... (pun intended)
The points above are well thought of and I completly agree...
1. Yes the build quality in touch pro was pathetic, I could hear a buzzing noise (by the hardware) when am on call. If i press it against my ears hard, it would stop. This was driving me crazy. But this could be one off
2. The Pro is a finger print magnet. I would constantly keep cleaning it (would look dirty all the time). The x1 looks and feels sexy
3. Touch Pro has got UMTS(850), which would be a deal breaker if you are in the states and your city doesn't have 1900. Also i could see a diff in signal strength inside my office. But this could be a radio issue or I might just be imagining it. Never had these side by side to give you a concrete answer
4. Yup the keyboard in pro is far better, but once i got used to x1's keyboard am not complaining.
5. All the sensors in Pro are simply amazing and couple that with Gyrator you can do simple anything. The stylus sensor is pretty cool and so are the touch sensitive buttons. Esp, zooming in Opera is priceless.
5. The two things that put me off X1 is the lack of custom ROMs and support here. Next is the stupid speaker, if u hold it in one had; you can be 100% sure that I won't hear it
6. Also I have the iPhone, comparing the accessory i get for that, x1 is pathetic. I couldn't even get a decent pocket pouch.
Over all you can't go wrong with either one. But if the small screen is hurting ur experience with the pro then x1 is definitely better. And with Dutty coming to X1, rest assured u gona have a blazing ROM
Finally I couldn’t get the point you were trying to make, if you didn’t like Pro as a tool then what’s so good about Tilt? If you answer that question we could give you a concrete answer.
Note:- I have the TyTn, Tilt, iPhone, G1 and the X1 (exchanged it for the Pro, which was exchanged for the Diamond)
Few more:
1. When talking long calls TP gets really hot (build quality issue)
2. Xperia has much better battery life (at least at my location)
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5. All the sensors in Pro are simply amazing and couple that with Gyrator you can do simple anything. The stylus sensor is pretty cool.
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Both are true... The g-sensor is pretty useless IMO though (more of a toy)
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so are the touch sensitive buttons. Esp, zooming in Opera is priceless.
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The joystick on on X1 is touch sensitive... Scrolling through emails or navigating in menus by swiping your finger I find it much better over the wheel... On wheel you have 2 directions, on the pad 4...
+ I went back on using the Opera Mini 4 over the Opera Mobile 9.5, because mini is still the best and the fastest browser...
I agree on both points again I might have to try Opera Mini 4 on my Xperia.
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my two pennies... (pun intended)
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1. Yes the build quality in touch pro was pathetic, I could hear a buzzing noise (by the hardware) when am on call. If i press it against my ears hard, it would stop. This was driving me crazy. But this could be one off...
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I owned the TP (EU version on US ATT) first. Then I got the X1 (EU SILVER also on US ATT). Then I went back to the TP.
After going to the X1, I thought I would NEVER return to the TP but plain and simple it was the POOR BUILD QUALITY OF THE X1 SILVER that turned me off!! See the VERY FIRST thread in this forum about Cracks in the Case! My X1 Silver had cracks...felt like it was falling apart before my very eyes.
I know some blame SE, some blame HTC...whatever! I'm back using a TP (ala ATT FUZE) but NOW with 3G/HSDPA and loving it!
Everyone's PROs and CONS are many and very valid...for me, the only way to determine was to try them both!!
-The X1 displayed more brilliant pictures and of course the graphics speed was excellent playing certain games (Quake, etc.) and watching hi-rez movies.
-I do also miss the VGA 30fps video recorder too on the X1. That's all I miss though. These things the TP/FUZE will never have.
Opera Mini 4.2 is amazing browser. Opera Mobile 9.5 too and it supports - some - flash as well as tabbed browsing, better bookmarks handling and txt copy!
As for OMini 4.2, it loads some pages zoomed in without zoomout function, and landscape mode is not supporting it at all.
However is'a great browser AND it saves data, I mean it loads like 1/8 of a real page's size!
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Both are true... The g-sensor is pretty useless IMO though (more of a toy)
The joystick on on X1 is touch sensitive... Scrolling through emails or navigating in menus by swiping your finger I find it much better over the wheel... On wheel you have 2 directions, on the pad 4...
+ I went back on using the Opera Mini 4 over the Opera Mobile 9.5, because mini is still the best and the fastest browser...
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yea its 4 way, but you have to do a lot of swiping cos the button is small. In Pro you just move in circles.
Also Pro's wheel is much more accurate, x1's button moves in 2s so its hard to pick in a list.
About the sensors...
I had gyrator pick and drop calls when i pick the mobile and then put it face down. I accept, picking the call wasn't working 100% and you had to check if the call is dropped when u put it down. But man it was cool
Yes, its a toy thing. but for me (as I would believe for most), I love these gadgets cos they are cool toys and not a tool. I would even go to an extent to call iPhone a tool (I know people are going to pounce on this)
But hear me out, with an iPhone i could check the movies (with review and trailers) running and check all the good restaurants (with user reviews and menus) near where I am. Check live soccer scores, get live updates on my bills and utilities to name a few.
Obviously all these can be done on x1/Pro maybe even better but my issue is 1. Its hard to get an application to do these and that with good user friendly UI 2. I need to pay huge money if at all I find one (all the applications I stated are free for iPhone)
This is getting side tracked, all i wanted to say is these are toys unless you have to do something specific that could be done only by a WM.
Some excellent points. Thanks all.
It is not the small screen that is putting me off the Touch Pro - it is simply the worst, most untested bug ridden device I have ever used.
I bought the device - one of the first out in September with an EU ROM. When I first got it it was a little slow but seemed ok.
Then I started to try and buy some properly licenced Sat Nav software for it and choose Co Pilot Live for HTC Touch. I did not have the well documented satellite lock issue but the lag when driving made the device unusable. I was for example at least 100 meters past a junction before I was told to turn.
The delay in the phone ringing means that unless you have the screen in your view an impatient caller will hang up before you can answer.
I have my data connection live all the time to recieve email from my company MS Push Mail server. TF3D often crashes or restarts meaning a soft reset. And the lag in typing a message is often difficult to live with. A soft reset fixes this but it soon comes back
I have tried I imagine all the patches, hacks, fixes, CAB, registry changes, tools recommended on the Raphael forum here but none have cured all my issues enough to make the tool a viable everyday device a la Blackberry (ok I know this is a Windows Mobile device by again, my trusty TyTn2 is rock solid and stable).
I have also gone back to HTC's painfully hopeless support teams who apparently are not aware of any lag or GPS issues with the device.
So know I want to try something else - the Samsung Omnia doesn't cut it for me, so it's either the X1 or the new Palm Treo Pro.
I've got to say that the Omnia can't be compared to the X1,
Omnia doesn't even feel like a phone it's a horrible piece of plastic. The only thing that is interesting is the 5.0 WOW megapixel camera compared to the X1's 3.2
Omnia is the worst Samsung I've ever had.
Horrible screen resolution, to much interface (Samsung's own brew over Windows Mobile) enlarged everthing on the screen (like its made for blind users or something) but the good about that is that is finger friendly.
There is no stylus, you can attach one but it will give your phone nice scratches because its not inside the phone but along like a keycord.
- No stylus
- No 3.5mm jack
- No mini-usb
- No Keyboard
- No tactile directional keys
- Resolution 240×400
- Big screen (Size, not the resolution)
- Finger friendly
- Better optical directional key sensor
- Screen quality (Color & much more brighter and white)
- Slim (because the lack of an keyboard)
hey guys,
I have a quandary between some phones that X1 is included (also TD2 and iphone 3g)
I want to ask you guys, X1 owners, if you were me, would you buy the X1 now? or get TD2 or go away with the iphone 3g?
what would you do in my situation?
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hey guys,
I have a quandary between some phones that X1 is included (also TD2 and iphone 3g)
I want to ask you guys, X1 owners, if you were me, would you buy the X1 now? or get TD2 or go away with the iphone 3g?
what would you do in my situation?
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My advice , Go with iPhone
if you are into games & playing with your phone all day long i recomend the iPhone , However i would wait until the iPhone 3GS comes out .
HTC TD2 is nice & more usefull in many ways but not for teenagers i find it a bit boring to be honest even though its a TF3D
Xperia , If i could go back in time i would've bought something else ! its a nice phone & all but its more like " oh-so-fancy oh-so-useless!
i have the Xperia & im facing lots of problems.
im not saying you wont face any problems with the HTC or the iPhone but it sure is going to be much less , especially the keyboard problem most of the Xperia users are facing
AFTER ALL thats what > I < think, & if you are willing to pay +700$ on a phone then wait for more comments.
Goodluck
I would buy this.
Just because my device is very useful and well working machine,
with top display and great hardware&form factor.
It's also small and handy, and has a great feel too.
It depends on whether you need the 3,5 Jack for your headphones. If yes, go for Xperia. If no, go for Touch Pro 2. Forget Touch Diamond and iPhone.
No. I'd rather an iPhone, for it's apps.
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hey guys,
I have a quandary between some phones that X1 is included (also TD2 and iphone 3g)
I want to ask you guys, X1 owners, if you were me, would you buy the X1 now? or get TD2 or go away with the iphone 3g?
what would you do in my situation?
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If you are an American no, it is 300-500 dollars more expensive brand new than the X1i.
Touch Pro2 International (600 dollars) vs Xperia X1 International (500 dollars) vs Xperia X1 American (900 dollars [you pay 50 dollars tax WTF])
I would say go for Touch Pro2 ... it is easier to type, and set up appointments and all of the business functionalities are more convenient than the X1. However the X1 is a better multimedia device, aside from the speakers being much less loud than the TP2. The X1 has a very simply and very good and gorgeous mp3 player and an MP3 jack and flash LED, and it is what is keeping me from selling it.
BTW... Touch Diamond 2 is a worst choice than the Xperia and I would even rather get an iPhone 3GS over a Touch Diamond.
But don't get Touch Diamond if for business and convenience functionality...iPhone OS does not support automated applications, scheduled applications, or background applications.
THIS IS THE EFFING REASON WHY IPHONE ONLY PLAYS GAMES.
I AM TIRED OF PEOPLE REFERRING THEIR GAMES TO "APPS",
WHEN IN REALITY THEY ARE CALLED MINI-GAMES.
SHAME. ARROGANT BASTARDS.
I have no idea what EXTRA business functionalities TP 2 gives
over X1? Actually TF3D interface is a business usage's contradiction.
And X1 is the only device in the above group having any real and good navigating solutions.
Sometimes it's a REAL pain to NOT to have any scrollwheel or Dpad.
Like in OperaMini in the txt filed, when text exceeds the screen size,
there's no way to navigate through it without keyboard out....
doministry said:
I have no idea what EXTRA business functionalities TP 2 gives
over X1? Actually TF3D interface is a business usage's contradiction.
And X1 is the only device in the above group having any real and good navigating solutions.
Sometimes it's a REAL pain to NOT to have any scrollwheel or Dpad.
Like in OperaMini in the txt filed, when text exceeds the screen size,
there's no way to navigate through it without keyboard out....
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1) I never said TF3D in my post. I never said TF3D was a business interface. I use SPB Diary, and it is amazing if you reserve 90% of the X1 screen to that program.
2) Real good navigation buttons, are you kidding me? Optical Joystick is not very good for scrolling the text cursor for editing documents and the D-Pad is terrible. Besides, the purpose of having a keyboard D-pad instead of the screen is to utilize the full potential of the keyboard.
Think about it. Try writing a document on Microsoft Word on the X1 and the Touch Pro2.
You will learn that you start using the phone in landscape more than in portrait. Why? Because the Touch Pro2 keyboard is very functional: easier to press, FN and CTRL indicators, wider buttons, numbers are separated and not hidden, arrow keys that work better the optical joystick as a D-pad.
Try using the Touch Pro2 for awhile and see if you'd rather spend most of your time in landscape mode, and if you do then you will understand why TP2 has a better button and key design.
I realize that with the X1, 50% of my time I would use the stylus as a text cursor and the optical joystick as a text cursor, and I get frustrated. I'd rather have a real D-pad with a good keyboard for extremely fast typing.
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Sigh...
1) I never said TF3D in my post. I never said TF3D was a business interface. I use SPB Diary, and it is amazing if you reserve 90% of the X1 screen to that program.
2) Real good navigation buttons, are you kidding me? Optical Joystick is not very good for scrolling the text cursor for editing documents and the D-Pad is terrible. Besides, the purpose of having a keyboard D-pad instead of the screen is to utilize the full potential of the keyboard.
Think about it. Try writing a document on Microsoft Word on the X1 and the Touch Pro2.
You will learn that you start using the phone in landscape more than in portrait. Why? Because the Touch Pro2 keyboard is very functional: easier to press, FN and CTRL indicators, wider buttons, numbers are separated and not hidden, arrow keys that work better the optical joystick as a D-pad.
Try using the Touch Pro2 for awhile and see if you'd rather spend most of your time in landscape mode, and if you do then you will understand why TP2 has a better button and key design.
I realize that with the X1, 50% of my time I would use the stylus as a text cursor and the optical joystick as a text cursor, and I get frustrated. I'd rather have a real D-pad with a good keyboard for extremely fast typing.
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Well if you like the TP 2 keyboard better that's perfectly fine, it's a preference thing.
I'm grateful that SE didn't put the numbers in A LINE since writing numbers in this mode is pain. I love the current design.
As for Dpad you omitted the portrait mode which I also use very often,
so in this mode lack of navigation is A CRAP for me on premium device..
So I personally choose X1 hands down over HTC, also because of camera and media interface.
Regarding my mentioning TF3D - I just didn't get precisely what you wrote about input/business, you just wrote about input (not that HTC is more business than SE).
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Well if you like the TP 2 keyboard better that's perfectly fine, it's a preference thing.
I'm grateful that SE didn't put the numbers in A LINE since writing numbers in this mode is pain. I love the current design.
As for Dpad you omitted the portrait mode which I also use very often,
so in this mode lack of navigation is A CRAP for me on premium device..
So I personally choose X1 hands down over HTC, also because of camera and media interface.
Regarding my mentioning TF3D - I just didn't get precisely what you wrote about input/business, you just wrote about input (not that HTC is more business than SE).
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Well I wouldn't mind a D-Pad on the front, but I would only want if they include these on the front AND the back also:
Windows Key
Ok Key
The guy wrote TD2, not TP2.
So please keep this on topic.
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My advice , Go with iPhone
if you are into games & playing with your phone all day long i recomend the iPhone , However i would wait until the iPhone 3GS comes out .
HTC TD2 is nice & more usefull in many ways but not for teenagers i find it a bit boring to be honest even though its a TF3D
Xperia , If i could go back in time i would've bought something else ! its a nice phone & all but its more like " oh-so-fancy oh-so-useless!
i have the Xperia & im facing lots of problems.
im not saying you wont face any problems with the HTC or the iPhone but it sure is going to be much less , especially the keyboard problem most of the Xperia users are facing
AFTER ALL thats what > I < think, & if you are willing to pay +700$ on a phone then wait for more comments.
Goodluck
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Apple troll go whoring somewhere else.
OP
If you want the best device on the market - YES !!!!!!
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The guy wrote TD2, not TP2.
So please keep this on topic.
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I'm trying to convince him that TD2 isn't worth it. I'd say get the X1 or the alternative: TP2
wait for the Samsung B7610 OmniaPRO
I won't buy a TP2 because its like 150$ more than the phones (iphone ,xperia and TD2) and it has almost the same features of X1 and I prefer the X1.
I can see that you're not recommending me the TD2 ,unlike the reviews that really like it and the people that has it,also I heard less problems of it than xperia.
also I see that only some recommend the iphone ,maybe because its not WM and can't be comutize like it?
I need a stable phone ( I dont want to another year of nightmare [k850]) with the features that I have in my K850 and better web experience and better app like GPS,IM, VOIP and more..
so would you buy the X1? or take the TD2/ iphone 3g?
combo1234 said:
I won't buy a TP2 because its like 150$ more than the phones (iphone ,xperia and TD2) and it has almost the same features of X1 and I prefer the X1.
I can see that you're not recommending me the TD2 ,unlike the reviews that really like it and the people that has it,also I heard less problems of it than xperia.
also I see that only some recommend the iphone ,maybe because its not WM and can't be comutize like it?
I need a stable phone ( I dont want to another year of nightmare [k850]) with the features that I have in my K850 and better web experience and better app like GPS,IM, VOIP and more..
so would you buy the X1? or take the TD2/ iphone 3g?
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Well you never explained your situation, you explained your dilemma only.
Well...anyways, which iPhone 3G are you getting? 3GS or 3G?
If you're getting 3GS then get the 3GS
If you're getting 3G then get the Diamond2 instead.
Xperia's keyboard isn't the best and Touch Diamond 2 isn't that much bigger than the X1 at all. Touch Diamond 2 is less buggy, but Xperia has had 2 firmware updates now and that fixed a lot of issues. I really don't see any pros of the Touch Diamond besides that it has a zoom bar, and accelerometer. Everything else can be installed on the Xperia and modded. So instead of Touch Diamond2 get the Xperia X1.
Anyways if I was me, here are my choices:
#1 Xperia X1 or Touch Pro2
#2 iPhone 3GS or Nokia N97 or Samsung Omnia HD [Samsung Omnia HD being the most preferred and the other being equals]
#3 Touch Diamond2
Answer your question
Yes, I would still buy an X1 now. Good business use phone with media functionality. As with all things, it comes down to your priorities.
For me, it was a higher screen resolution within a smaller form factor, a keyboard and 3.5mm headphone (to save on cables, adapters etc when travelling).
I considered the TP2 but didn't want the larger size and the lack of buttons on the front.
Panels / Touch Flo was much lower down in the ranks given you can just visit this site and get anything else you need / want. More than likely, depending on your type of use you'll end up mucking around, do a hard reset and then just add what you need.
If you want to play games first and foremost the X1 isn't the phone. It does them perfectly well, but other phones are more focussed on that.
Good luck, and at least you get a choice in the matter. Why not visit a shop where you can play with them all side by side. Even if you cannot get into the detail, you can at least find the form that you prefer, then search the net for the functionality.
In the end it is up to what you use your phone for. I mean, if you like watching soaps or other movies on your device watch out for a big screen and maybe 3.5mm jack. I don't like Xperia's screen but I love the keyboard. I can type very fast and neat on it.
For me it is also fast enough with it's processor. The camera is okay, well, it is actually more than okay. You got a LED light here as well.
Speaker is weak and so is vibration, but if you do not mind that all you can go for it.
I mean, if you have a good offer, why not?
Let us know what you decide for and if you are satisfied!
what about waiting for the X2 or Rachael?
Because they are not even annonced yet?
I guess the thread starter wants something NOW, otherwise he would not have opened a thread here. Acer builds good smartphones now as well.
There are so many other options: Acer Tempo M900 or like mentioned before Samsung B7610 (what is my favourite at the moment...but I have to stick to my Xperia anyway : ( )
I currently have a touch HD/Blackstone and I love it to bits, but the prospect of having a capacitive multitouch screen and much faster responses when navigating round the phone/opening/running apps etc is starting to tempt me very strongly to the HD2/Leo.
Have any of you Leo owners upgraded from the Blackstone? If so, please can you let me know your thoughts on whether it was a good move, what the pros & cons are etc, and whether the new phone really is super fast and slick like the reviews I've read say it is.
If I get one I'd probably want to be running SPB shell on it, which from looking through here I assume it works, but will most apps for the blackstone also work on the Leo?
I know there's no stylus with the Leo for instance, but for fiddly stuff does the screen accept the use of a fingernail for 'precision' (ish!) stuff like checkboxes & small menus, or does it have to be skin contact or a real capacitive stylus etc?
Regardless of whether you upgraded from a Blackstone, are you very pleased with the way the phone works in terms of performance and 'slickness'?
Last questions are - what's the video performance like on the Leo, ie does it have all the problems the HD has in terms of poor out of the box performance with video playback?
And is the bluetooth stuff still hardcoded for the HTC music player (like the blackstone), or would I be able to properly use my sony bluetooth headset to control the likes of coreplayer?
Sorry for all the questions - I really want to upgrade to the Leo, but it will cost me a lot and I don't want to make a mistake.
Many thanks for any useful replies!
Jim
After having the Touch HD for 2 month I really loved it. Everything was running as I wanted it to be ... But then HTC announced the HD2 and I decided to switch to it after watching lots of videos in youtube an other sites. I would do it again ...
I don't have any problems using the OS without a stylus. In fact I wasn't using the stylus or my fingernails on my Touch HD either. I only needed to adapt to the higher screen responsiveness, but that was it.
HD2 pros compared to the Touch HD:
+ MUCH higher build quality. The Touch HD always felt somehow cheap, except it actually wasn't ...
+ Everything is just faster. I wasn't too thrilled with TouchFLO 3D on the Touch HD, as it slowed down the device too much. No problems on the HD2, although the new version of TouchFLO 3D (Sense ...) grew in so many aspects and is now pretty well integrated into the OS.
+ The bigger screen. Didn't thing its a big deal, but the screen-difference between the two devices is astonishing. Its much more fun to use multimediacontent on the HD2.
+ Pinch to Zoom.
I had a HD for nearly a year now and loved it - yes, TF3D ran slowly but it also was more "form than function" and I stopped using it in favour of simple SPB Diary with multiple tabs.
Now having a HD2 for over a month I do love the high speed and slick operation and I even stick with TF3D (or HTC Sense, whatever it's called).
But, there are apps from HD that don't run well on the screen as they expect the precision of a stylus. One example is SPB Finance that I used to record all my expenditures on an almost daily business. This just does not work with a big fat finger !
But, but others work great - CoPilot works really nicely. I tried Route66 on the HD2 as this was a fully legal working purchase on the HD but on the new HD2 it's not good. Nice surprise is the new CoPilot works really well and super fast. Even indoors near a window I can get enough satellites for a 3D fix and moving next to the window gets 7 or 8 sats. HD never achieved that.
My build quality on the HD was fine. On the HD2 you get a real solid feel from the metal battery cover where you naturally hold the device.
HD2 is super quick but the capacitive screen is a weakness. However, this is because most applications have not yet caught up. Many exist that are great with fingers like Resco explorer but others expect a stylus and are hard to use.
As a year long HD user I doubt very much that I won't move back after having got the HD2. My old HD is sitting in a box and I have not been tempted to get it out !
Thanks for the replies guys - I like what I hear!
I think the only thing that might delay me upgrading to an HD2 is the difference in value between selling HD and buying HD2 but we'll see....
Can you clarify a couple of things I'm still not sure about though?
Dave - you said you can't use certain apps from the HD because of the capacitive screen as you don't have a stylus with it (and can't use a normal one I believe), but is it possible to use these apps with a finger nail if you really need to?
I know it might be awkward or not very practical, but I want to know whether it's actually possible at all, ie if the screen will physically work like that, or if it's literally impossible to do?
Secondly (don't get me wrong here) whilst I don't want an iphone, is the responsiveness of the HD2 screen the same kind of thing? Local shops here don't have one I can try so I have to go by what others tell me, and I'd like it to work as smooth as the iphone screen, ie no actual pressure etc.
I know it's capacitive so it should be like that but I don't know if there are differences aside from that to how the screen responds. Hope that makes sense!
Last question - I believe the screen is glass on it? Is it toughened in any way? Presume the fact that it's glass will mean that it's much harder to scratch than the HD screen and also means a clearer, brighter display by not having a resistive layer?
Thanks for the replies - I appreciate the info!
I'll try again but I don't think finger nails work ...
I upgraded from the Blackstone and for me, it was definitely worth it.
First thing you notice is the amazing speed if the device. I just saw that I had TomTom (among a couple of other programs) running in the background for several days and I didn't even notice it.
The HD2 is really insanely fast. I sometimes take my old Blackstone in order to try new WM builds, but its slowness makes me sick after some minutes of using it.
Next big thing, for me, is the camera. The light sensitivity has been greatly improved and the flash works stunningly good for an LED flash.
It takes really great pictures for a smartphone, much much better than the HD, finally I have a phone that lets me capture the important moments
(btw. the 'red tint bug' is present but not noticeable on most pictures)
Third thing is the screen. It''s capacitive, that means you can NOT use your fingernail, and no stylus. But I really like the sensitivity, it's much more comfortable to use. And it feels a lot better, it's not the 'cheap' feel of the resistive panel's plastic layers anymore.
And this brings me to the fourth and last point: Build quality. I've never ever seen such a high build quality and high quality materials on a phone. It looks and feels just amazing, even the iPhone feels like a cheap toy in comparison.
Video playback is of course a lot better and it plays high quality video without stuttering.
Well actualy you can use stylus without problems, you just have to buy a special one (whitch buy the way also works on the iPhone)
http://cgi.ebay.com/2x-DAGi-Stylus-...wItemQQptZPDA_Accessories?hash=item414b467e4a
Like they other says there are applications who can be a bit of a hassel with using with the finger...
But I suspect you would love it... I could newer go back to my HD after being used to the buitiful racer the HD2 is, and i absolutely love the screen to.
Hi,
I've spent 1 week with the HD2 after a year on the HD. Mobile Shell 3.5 on both.
The main difference is speed. HD2 is soooo much faster. Didn't notice the HD was particularly slow whilst I was using it, but going back to it now is PAINFUL.
I struggled a bit initially with the capacitive screen, found it a bit hit and miss. In particular I found the HTC keyboard a nightmare, way too sensitive. Installing the .cab that decreases screen sensitivity has improved things greatly, and installing Spb Keyboard has also helped. It's improving with practice, there are still times when I do something and it doesn't register, but overall I'm starting to like it. There's a definite knack to it: much lighter touch, smoother motions. So there's a learning curve here + a need to tweak. And I'm sure the experience will continue to improve as third party software is adapted for it.
Mobile Shell has a few minor compatability issues but nothing to worry about (screen brightness control doesn't work, voicemail indicator widget doesn't work, a few other minor things). Spb are generally good at updating for significant new hardware releases, same thing happened with the HD when it was first released and they fixed everything quickly. I tried the Sense interface for a day or two to see if I could get used to it, it IS very pretty. But went back to Mobile Shell, I find it much more functional.
The HD2 build quality is excellent vs good for HD. And the additional screen size is a significant plus too. I was initially worried it would be a step too far in terms of the overall size of the device, but no. As soon as I laid eyes on the actual device + picked it up I knew it wouldn't be a problem.
Browsing in Opera is fantastic. Fast and the big screen helps. Still not comparable to a desktop browsing experience but very usable and way better than the HD due to the speed.
Overall it's a big step forward from the HD and highly recommended. Like I said, I find going back to the HD to dig out a few files I need to be surprisingly painful...
Cret said:
Secondly (don't get me wrong here) whilst I don't want an iphone, is the responsiveness of the HD2 screen the same kind of thing? Local shops here don't have one I can try so I have to go by what others tell me, and I'd like it to work as smooth as the iphone screen, ie no actual pressure etc.
I know it's capacitive so it should be like that but I don't know if there are differences aside from that to how the screen responds. Hope that makes sense!
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I tested the HD2 besides both, an 3G and 3GS, and really couldn't find any real difference in the screens responsiveness. You don't have to do any pressure on the HD2's screen ... I have to say, that I had a problem with the high sensitivity at first, but when playing around with an Nokia N900 last week, I noticed how fast I adapted to the capacitive screen of the HD2. The N900's screen was a pain in the ass (although its actually quite good for a resistive screen), because slight fingerswipes and tips didn't to anything ...
When browsing the forums you will notice, that most ppl here have/had a problem with the keyboard of the HD2. Besides the bugreporting here (I don't have any of these problems), I imagine that most of the problems with the keyboard just come from the unfamiliar sensitivity. By lifting the fingers a little higher when typing, I managed to type pretty accurate.
I don't have a Touch HD to compare side by side, but had the possibility to compare the HD2 to an iPhone 3G ... the 3G was very slow compared to the HD2 ... So wouldn't really go back to a last-gen phone ...
Had a Touch HD for a year until i bought my HD2 last month.
I Had Dutty's Leo rom running since he started releasing those, so I felt completely at home with my HD2 when i had it in my hand. (For those not knowing : Leo rom for Touch HD is just that. Winmo 6.5 running HTC Sense, just like the HD2)
A few things felt wonderfully different tho :
Screen is beautifull. The glas type used is almost impossible to scratch. I have my phone in my pocket unprotected. Even accedently slipped my keys in with it a few times. Not a mark on it! What is this screen made of ? Diamond ??
Speed. Wow! This phone is fast. I ran the weather demo simultaniously, side by side with the Touch HD. And the difference makes the Touch HD look like a joke. (it's not, but compared, its sloooow)
Pinch zoom. OMG now i know why Iphone has been the king of mobile browsing. HAS been! HD2 is now the new king! Opera + capacitive screen with multi touch AND a 1 ghz processor ? It is a match made in heaven. Mobile browsing is EASY and fun now. Thank god i have an internet sub on my simcard...
Camera. Remember how a big hazzel it was to take a pic with Touch HD ? I mean, the moment is GONE, before the camera is ready to take the picture!
With HD2 and a shortcut on the Sense start screen , it takes around 1 second(!!) from press on camera icon till your ready to take the picture!. The flash LED (Which can blind a man btw) makes it possible to shoot in the dark, FINALLY!
Well those things was EXACTLY why I upgraded, and I have not been dissapointed.
Some had a huge problem with the sensitive screen. Not me, I adapted quickly, and the keyboard I was used to from leo rom on the Touch HD, so i guess it's a matter of taste, or fat fingers .
Also
There are a LOT of the tweaks and programs for Dutty's leo rom that works great with the HD2, like BG4all etc.
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The flash LED (Which can blind a man btw)
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yep, fortgot to mention the LEDs. I love them. Not to take pictures, but for everydays things. Really missed a LED on the Touch HD.
I got my HD2 a week ago, and I'm loving it, other than the rather short battery life (may be a temporary issue, some people do not have this issue).
It's definitely faster than the HD. Going through the Windows folder in File Explorer takes 2 seconds, rather than 6-8 seconds on the HD. Going through tabs in TouchFlo 3D (Sense) is fast, and tab contents are displayed lightning fast.
TomTom works great on the HD2, haven't tried CoPilot because they do not have maps that I could purchase for my region yet (which is funny, since I can download the map while trialling the software). TomTom is rather smooth on the HD2, the position cursor does not jerk forward when moving. With valid QuickGPS data, getting a GPS fix is faster than on the HD.
The speaker is a little worse than the HD in my opinion, although it's somewhat louder than the HD.
Moving from Resistive (HD) to the Capacitive screen in the HD2 may take some time to get used to it. Drawing/scribbling notes can be hard, so is selecting the directory/folder you want to go to in File Explorer. Maybe it's me, I have large fingers.
Reception compared to the HD, Nokia N82, N95 8GB.
The 3G network I'm on is rather bad in my room.
Nokia N82 and N95 8GB - 4 of 7 bars (estimated equivalent on the HD2 would be 3 of 4 bars)
HTC Touch HD - 1 of 4 bars
HTC Touch HD2 - 3 of 4 bars, sometimes full signal.
The signal bars on the HD2 tend to fluctuate at times, while holding the phone in landscape mode and browsing the internet, the signal may drop to no bars, disconnect from the network, then come back on with 1 or 2 bars.
Camera is great. Autofocus seems to be 'continuous', focusing when the camera is moved or after a few seconds. Shutter lag is much shorter than on the HD, but taking moving subjects may still result in a blurr (cranking up the ISO setting doesn't help much). Sharper than on the HD, and the automatic white balance is definitely better than on the HD under certain lighting conditions. LED Flash works OK for objects further than 30cm most of the time, using it for close ups may sometimes result in a bright, white mess.
I'm using the 1.43 ROM, so some of these issues may be fixed in the updated ROM. There are some issues in TouchFlo/Sense, but they are easily corrected by taking a trip down the Tips & Tricks Post in the Leo Forum.
tbela
I'd used Blackstone for some monthes, and overall I was satisfied. (I'd used Xanny Grid Leo rom)
I've a Leo for a week, and now I'm not simply satisfied but I'm happy with it. The speed, the huge screen and the build quality are fantastic. It's very rear, when I have to fight with small old-fashioned windows controls, but with some patience and practice it is also manageable. Nail-touching definitely doesn't work. Althogh, you can buy capacitive-compatible stylus on ebay.
Only disadvantage for me: fring doesn't work, but I hope it will be fixed soon. Temporarily I use Nimbuzz for chatting.
Overall I can highly recommend the upgrade. If you can do, DO IT!
Thanks very much for all the replies guys. The fact that most of you have written wuite a bit tells me you're very enthusiastic about the phone!
I want one for sure now. The only thing is the cost - I can't renew my contract and there are very few Leos on Ebay and around £500, but only maybe £250 sale proceeds from my HD, so it's quite a hit to take.
If I can get a few quid together to help ease the difference then I'll definitely get one.
Thanks for the comments
Same here, had the HD for about a year and liked it in many respects, the HD2 is a much nicer experience though and if you can afford it at some point I highly recommend to get it.
Well I've made my mind up to get one for sure. The only question really is when.
I'll have to buy an unlocked one on Ebay I think and there are very few on there at the moment because the phone is so new. This is obviously therefore keeping the prices really high.
I'm dying to say 'sod it' and get the credit card out but I know I ought to wait a month or two to see if they get a bit cheaper once more are being sold.
I've read reviews on it and most things I see say that this is basically the best piece of hardware on the market in terms of phones, but that it's "let down/ruined" etc by having winmo on it. I like winmo and have used it for years, so for me, that's a plus!
Having said that, I'd kill to see/have winmo7!
Yep. Those reviews are nonsense.
Powerful hardware like this needs a powerful OS, and WinMo really is by far the most powerful OS you can get.
It doesn't ruin anything. It's the perfect OS for a phone like this.
WinMo bashing is a current trend that you can't do anything against when sites like Gizmodo or Engadget spread the FUD. It's really sad.
I wouldn't want any other OS on the HD2.
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Overall I agree, But Android 2.0 would be very interesting
Well I'm sure I'll be quite happy since it's exactly what I'm used to.
Last phones I've had have been Touch HD, Omnia, XDA Orbit etc - loved them all.
Can't WAIT to get the HD2 though. Especially now I've bought one this afternoon.
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Well I'm sure I'll be quite happy since it's exactly what I'm used to.
Last phones I've had have been Touch HD, Omnia, XDA Orbit etc - loved them all.
Can't WAIT to get the HD2 though. Especially now I've bought one this afternoon.
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Congrats to get this lovely phone. I'd wager you will like it .
After having read one too many "I hate my Xperia and wish I had an iPhone" thread I thought I'd make a thread for people to remember why they bought an Xperia.
Does it have it's issues? Absolutely, but it makes up for it (for me at least) in many other ways.
I originally bought the Xperia X1a because it was the ONLY 3G capable WVGA device available for AT&T bands (850Mhz and 1900Mhz). It has a nice feeling keyboard, it has a beautiful display, and it has a very nice hand-feel. Even when I pick it up now it just feels so good in the hand. In fact I haven't had one that felt so good to hold since my old SE W810i. I had the Hermes and Kaiser and both were clunky and unenjoyable to hold.
The Xperia keyboard has a very pleasant keyboard. Its clicks are well defined and the arc slider's spring assist makes it a real joy to slide out. Also my battery life has been superb. Even running 24/7 Push E-mail and a separate IMAP account I still get over 48 hours of power.
Also it came with SPB Mobile Shell for FREE. SPB is, arguably the best Windows Mobile Shell available and it was a sheer joy to use, and while the default SE Panels were rather unimpressive I love that I can switch from Titanium/Sense, to SPB, to PointUI, as well as the absolutely gorgeous Growing Panel with just two presses.
While the processor is unimpressive it has been consistently able to run AVC Video at WVGA resolutions (some ROMs worked better than others, actually).
Sony also added a pretty good Xt9 SIP keyboard (I prefer TouchPal anyway) and with custom ROMS bringing Titanium and Sense to my Xperia I wonder why I would get anything else.
Pros:
1) Very High Res screen (More than double the lowly iPhone)
2) Latest UIs (I got SPB MS 3 from Korean site )
3) Great hand-feel
4) Great 3G performance (if you are on U.S. AT&T Xperia X1a is the best, for now)
5) Long Battery life
For those of you who might say I am glossing over some of the downsides, well sure, but this is a why I am HAPPY with my Xperia thread. (I have found most of the complaints to either be largely due to user error, or what I would call "making mountains out of molehills", but that's just my opinion).
Anyone else feel like their much maligned X1 has been getting unfair treatment feel free to offer some positive feedback for the device that, hopefully, we all still love.
P.S. - I got this idea from flamingsamurai
I am loving this phone right now.
*Opera mini feels as fast as my LEO and 3gs.
*The ability to use panels is a good point too.
*HTC Kaiser and TP2 were nice but chunky phones for me (bricks).
*The screen is just about as wide as the iphones and the device is much smaller.
*The hardware keys come in really handy. The optical sensor is good for menus.
*The keyboard is nice with good width for keys.
*Its a beautifully constructed metallic device.
* I am using vakleryire firestorm leo with htc sense activated in the home menu and it feels like a compact leo.
*No accelerometer but I use left softkey remapped to rotate screen.
* Android and Ubuntu are in deep progress as far as I can see (3 OS in one!).
Many more too.
Swap with 1ghz, increased ram/rom and the 0.2 inch for the screen and you have one of the best devices out there!
I like my X1 because it actually 'feels' like a communication device rather than an MP3 player with a call function. I honestly think the iphone looks and feels really dopey. I also have to agree that it feels great in the hands too. The way the keyboard springs open is just incredibly badass. The weight and the metal fascia just feel so classy. The panels are fun to change up every now and then, and I think it's just cool to have windows on such a tiny device. I thought my itouch felt like I had a little computer on me at all times, but the X1 is even more so. I feel a lot more organized on the X1 than I think I would with an iphone.
I had a hard time choosing between the X1 and iphone, but in the end, I couldn't justify paying the same price for a device (3G) with far less inferior hardware specs than the X1 just because of what it is. I generally hate apple products and didn't want to give in to their supremacy by getting and iphone. Sure apple's touchscreen is awesome, but I didn't feel I needed it for a phone; that's where my itouch comes in.
I found that apple's accelerometer annoying sometimes when I'm using it in weird angles, i.e. lying down in bed. I think I'm just glad to know that my X1 would be vastly superior in outer space than an iphone. You know, space-proof, just in case.
In the end I'm glad I made my decision to get the X1 and keep my itouch for my apple needs, rather than combining everything into one device. I'll use my itouch for video, music, and games; my X1 strictly for communication and productivity.
I actually love my X1 and think that it was the best phone I could get. After learning about the potential physical short comings, I'm going to do my best to baby this phone to make it live forever. If she dies, I'll revive her.
Sony eirccson is a pretty cool guy. eh is better than teh ifone and doesn't afraid of anything...
A message to the OP; when did you purchase your X1? Was it brand new. refurbished, or used?
Anyways, if the device was increased to the scale of having a 3.5 inch screen, I would definitely have kept my device.
Absolutely agree with everything said, especially about the X1 being space proof =D
Also people complain about WM, and I have no problem with it, its perfectly logical, and if you use a rom which you like, then it runs fine. Someday you'll be able to jump ship to android. Anyways I'll always love it, its fun to fiddle around with, rather than be a boring symbian phone, where you have no control.
And wheres the fun in having a phone everyone has?
Great thread Hannigan
I wouldn't call the phone cracking by itself user error. It's true, the phone does have good points, but it doesn't get the basics down.
If I have to keep the phone in a safe vault for it to not crack, what use is it?
I like the optical sensor and having the ability to choose between the optical sensor and physical clicks for directional input. However, I hate the feel of the keyboard.
Finally a thread where people actually enjoy the phone
What I like about the X1:
The Professional look and feel of the phone
Screen size and HD Res.
Modding capabilities and Hacks and the Different UI's you can put on it.
Camera front and Back and video recording
Optical mouse pad
Keyboard
Speed of phone, yes thats right I said Speed.
Wifi
GPS
HD games/PS1, sigh....... I miss Call of Duty 2 but I just couldn't go back to Sh!ty 6.1
And most of all The fact that their very little people that have heard of or seen this phone where i live. Actually I'm the only that owns one I don't know anybody with this phone in Auburn,NY .
@Rydock I'm glad to see your enjoying your X1 so far.
I'm still getting use to my X2 (just got it this week) but over all the more I get use to it the more I love it.
Single greatest reason why I love my X2 is .... Keyboard! =) (I hate typing on my ipod touch, nor do my fingers allow for a smooth scroll on the screen).
My only hope is the 2 up and coming firmwares fixes the little minor issues I have.
poetryrocksalot said:
A message to the OP; when did you purchase your X1? Was it brand new. refurbished, or used?
Anyways, if the device was increased to the scale of having a 3.5 inch screen, I would definitely have kept my device.
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I bought mine new on eBay from an Australian retailer selling a Telstra NextG model (it comes unlocked). Only U.S. sources I could find had significantly higher prices for the X1a. I received it in February or so I think? About 1 year old.
Why do you ask about age and status? I presume you had one and are on U.S. AT&T. Were you curious since it is so rare in U.S.?
P.S. - I would prefer a bigger, flush screen. Then again it is still the largest screened phone I have ever had. And for me the physical keyboard is a huge benefit (Had Hermes and Kaiser before so I like them side sliders).
My X1 is still my favourite phone, the modding capabilities are what does it for me.
I like the fact it's my phone, I've customised it to how I want it to work, I can't do that to any other phone I've owned.
The screen is great, it runs smoothly, i can get push email from multiple accounts no problem, I sync my contacts and calendar, vide oplayback is generally good, ther are a few files that is has problems with, but that's pretty rare.
Sound quality is great, shame abut the speaker, but I generally have it on silent and use a bluetooth headset or headphones.
It looks great, the build is solid, it's been dropped countless times now, ther are a few dents, cracks and scratches, but I expect that after the battering it's had over the last months!
I love having a QWERTY, but I wish it was more friendly for single hand use.
I've found myself using titanium over any panels, and things like the wifi router abilities, even torrents, mean i can do anything I want on it.
The X2 with a 1GHz processor would probably be my ideal phone! Just wish that looked more like the X1.
I'm happy to see that there are at least a few of us who are more than satisfied with the Xperia
It's always good to hear some positivity for a change. Thanks for the input, to all of you.
It's been a year since I last used my Xperia regularly. I would like to use it more, because I really enjoy the QWERTY keyboard (it has four rows and a dedicated @ button, etc) and it's a very versatile device. There are some great ROMs out for it now as well: Sense 2.5, Windows Mobile 6.5.3, X2 and what not.
But what keeps me from going back to it is the Xperia's tiny screen, in combination with the high resolution. WVGA is mainly used on 4, 3.7 and 3.5 inch displays, and not on merely 3 inches. In fact, is there even another 3" WVGA device in the world? It looks great, sure, but everything is so petite that it hurts my eyes
I think such a small display also puts a lid on the overall user experience. If the Xperia had a 3.5" display, or even 3.2", I would have used it *a lot* more. Because as pointed out in this thread, it does have plenty of strengths.
Hi all,
in fact I just BOUGHT an X1 afresh!
I'm using an HTC Touch HD with customized ROM as my primary device, and still think that's the best setup for me. The only things that bugged me were the width and the absolute lack of any tactile experience.
So I shopped around ...
In fact I actually ordered a Motorola Milestone: I wanted to see if I liked Android, the reviews are enthusiastic, and it has a hardware keyboard.
Guess what: I sent it back the day it was delivered. (but that's another story)
And so I went back to Windows Mobile.
My new X1 (and in fact it is brand new) has everything that I was looking for. It sits well in your hand, and I mean as a phone it feels just right. I'm quite happy with the keyboard, and I love the rich feel of the slider. And finally: Hardware buttons hooray!
Other than that it's got pretty much everything my Touch HD has, minus the G-sensor (and I can live with that).
So I use the HD for business (because it's lightweight and discreet to carry in a jacket) and for navigation (big screen!) and the X1 for leisure. Btw, the media panel is just amazing in terms of audio output!
All in all I've fully returned to WM thanks to the X1, and I don't see myself migrating to Android, WebOS, iPhone or Symbian any time soon. Windows Phone 7 Series (or whatever it's called) is downright scary in its restrictions, so I'm glad that 6.x will still be around for power users like us.
Bliss.
N.