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HTC’s official response to a “drivers issue”

HTC’s official response to a “drivers issue”
From PhoneMag
HTC is committed to delivering a portfolio of devices that offer a wide variety of communication, connectivity and entertainment functionality. HTC does not offer dedicated or optimized multimedia devices and can confirm that its Qualcomm MSM7xxx-based devices do not use ATI’s Imageon video acceleration hardware.
HTC believes the overall value of its devices based on their combination of functionality and connectivity exceeds their ability to play or render high-resolution video. These devices do still provide a rich multimedia experience comparable to that of most smartphones and enable a variety of audio and video file formats. HTC values its customers and the overall online community of mobile device enthusiasts and fans. HTC plans to include video acceleration hardware in future video-centric devices that will enable high resolution video support.

Have they gone MAD....
From now there is only one way - to make it work just to show HTC that it can be done without their arrogant attitude.

Ive been noticing this attitude from them for a while. They keep releasing different variations of the same phone (touch) with a few minor tweaks here and there which they could have installed the first place. Theyre trying to push product like the cellphone companies: release the same crap six times a year with one minor feature added and in a different colour, then call it 'new'. I think Kaiser,Polaris,etc. owners pre-empted HTCs move to release 'new' phones with proper drivers. Thats why Im only buying my next PDA in September,I might be eligible for a WM7 upgrade (fingers crossed)

This is completely unacceptable! I am really disappointed in HTC with this aggravating lack of driver support for their latest devices. The hardware in the Kaiser is top-notch, why cripple it because of this stubborn attitude?
I will have to re-evaluate if I will ever buy again another HTC device from this so-called "leading" smartphone company if they are not able to support any useable graphic or 3G support five months after their product has been released.

I was gonna buy a Tilt but this makes me wanna wait or explore other options. Big mistake on HTC's part not being humble about the situation. Because all I got from that statement was: We make good phones but this batch was bad.....now shut up and deal with it. What should have been said was: We are working rapidly to fix this problem. We ask for your patience while we resolve this issue. When companies get arrogant they start to look like motorola sprint etc....It is we the customer who buy your product and or services. It is WE the customer who can choose not to buy your product and or services as well. HTC you got something good going right now. Please don't mess it up with arrogance. Remember the bigger they are the harder they fall. Word of the day: Humility

I was going to buy a Polaris but now will not. I will stay with my hermes until something worthwhile comes out of HTC to compete against 'multimedia' devices like the iPhone.

DvTonder said:
I will stay with my hermes until something worthwhile comes out of HTC to compete against 'multimedia' devices like the iPhone.
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u may like this then:
http://www.geek.com/first-look-qualcomms-new-fairbanks-and-anchorage-mobile-platforms/
but be carefull .. qualcomm and htc, what you learned from it?

I'm expecting another official response in a few days. All I've been reading from this release is "I'm never buying another HTC product again" and that includes myself. They are loosing a lot of customers by displaying this kind of attitude.
Myself, as a Kaiser owner, was absolutely thrilled when I got mine and couldn't wait to rub it in the face of all the iphone users. I was expecting to buy one of if not the best mobile phone on the market. But I have been severely let down. Other than GPS, the Kaiser is hardly an upgrade from my Wizard.. which is incredibly sad. What is even sadder is that it's crippled just because HTC is stubborn when it could easily be an iphone killer.
Now I can only hope that the great minds on this forum can come together to figure out a way to fix this problem.
**** you HTC... **** you hard.

So.. that means no fix for TyTN II?

manaaa said:
u may like this then:
http://www.geek.com/first-look-qualcomms-new-fairbanks-and-anchorage-mobile-platforms/
but be carefull .. qualcomm and htc, what you learned from it?
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True, true - I may just do the ultimate betrayal and go for an iPhone v2 once it comes out

Martinhdk said:
HTC’s official response to a “drivers issue”
From PhoneMag
HTC is committed to delivering a portfolio of devices that offer a wide variety of communication, connectivity and entertainment functionality. HTC does not offer dedicated or optimized multimedia devices and can confirm that its Qualcomm MSM7xxx-based devices do not use ATI’s Imageon video acceleration hardware.
HTC believes the overall value of its devices based on their combination of functionality and connectivity exceeds their ability to play or render high-resolution video. These devices do still provide a rich multimedia experience comparable to that of most smartphones and enable a variety of audio and video file formats. HTC values its customers and the overall online community of mobile device enthusiasts and fans. HTC plans to include video acceleration hardware in future video-centric devices that will enable high resolution video support.
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Could you post a link where you got this from?

http://www.HTCClassAction.org/responses.php#official

DvTonder said:
I was going to buy a Polaris but now will not. I will stay with my hermes until something worthwhile comes out of HTC to compete against 'multimedia' devices like the iPhone.
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I got both TyTN II & Touch Cruise.

is there no phones using the right drivers at all??

"Damage control" isn't a phrase in HTC's vocabulary.
"Won't buy HTC again" certainly is in mine.

For those who think that there will be further words from HTC ... etc
HTC probably will realized that this kind of response will hurt future sales ...etc and then come out with a better wording response ???
I hate to think that a lot of people will be string along for months from the runaround that will keep on going with empty promises ... ( of a fix will be soon...soon ..etc )
Personally ... if this is the official response from HTC ... Then I will take that tone and cut my losses instead of being string along if they do come out with a better response !!
"fool me once ... shame on you,
fool me twice ... shame on me !!!"
my $0.02

can someone tell me what's it all about?What drivers?What am I missing?Thanks in advance.

DvTonder said:
True, true - I may just do the ultimate betrayal and go for an iPhone v2 once it comes out
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then the 'Meizu M8' is a better option if you ask me .. but you dont. thats why im silent now ^^

I was thinking a lot to upgrade from trinity to TC, but after this....I wont. I will just stick with my Trinity and wait.

UnicornKaz said:
"fool me once ... shame on you,
fool me twice ... shame on me !!!"
my $0.02
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I think it goes:
"Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."
Haha. I had to.
BTW, HTC hurt my feelings...

HTC XD??

Remember the official twitter anoucement in which the representative said something like "by the time we bring touch HD to US, there will be better phones for you guys then", or something like that?
wmpoweruser claimed to have a source saying the new XD (probably not the real name) makes touch HD looks childish in comparison.
Personally I know it's possible for newer phones to kick HD's rear, but to the degree of "pale in comparison" is unthinkable... unless... flash + android + capacitive touch??? my dream...
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=1292

on another thought, this could be the same phone as Area-Mobile's claim of the new phone that's similar to HD but has Android
http://www.areamobile.de/news/9999.html

Already a thread of this

May b it's the combination of tegra, wm7, android.
May b come with HD camera with flash ?

Where is there already a thread on xd? I think the improved version will have built in storage (8gig), flash, haptic feedback, and either winmobile 7 or graphics chip.

tboy2000 said:
Where is there already a thread on xd? I think the improved version will have built in storage (8gig), flash, haptic feedback, and either winmobile 7 or graphics chip.
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There isn't really a thread for the XD, namely because we don't know of any Touch "XD". So far it's just a presumed name for whatever next big device might be making, particularly because HTC hinted at a new device when it annouced the HD would not appear in the US.
Of course shortly after that announcement, the HTC T8290 was leaked, and so there are some quick assumptions that the T8290 = Touch XD.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=435096
But again the XD doesn't really exist (yet?). And the T8290 adds WiMAX, which means it's unlikely to appear Stateside anytime soon (at least not until Sprint launches more WiMAX markets); therefore the T8290 probably is not the so-called XD.
All in all, there really isn't any information, except for what little information Mobile-Review "spilled", so everything is purely up to speculation for now.

Sorry because orb3000 wrote "Already a thread of this" i read it as already a thread ON this". My mistake.

Someone did say that news on HD will b old news bcoz some cool stuff is coming. But an HD with WiMAX is not cool as many countries does not have WiMAX yet. And it seems like it doesn't come with 3.5mm jack.
So does anyone think it is cool stuff ? Cold stuff may be.
T8289, to me, is just Touch Diamond with large screen and WiMAX. That's all.

trust me on this. nothing too much better is planned. thats all im saying. atleast not until a bit into 09.

Agreed. The HD is currently the most interesting WinMo thing to come from HTC, as it is an edition of the Diamond that goes quite a way to show that occasionally, HTC DOES listen to customers. When they come out with a device that does Not have some of the most important HD features and is targeted at only some specific markets (the selling point being WiMax ofcourse) I'd hardly call it "the device that makes the HD pale in comparison", or even a more advanced device to begin with.

Pawel062 said:
trust me on this. nothing too much better is planned. thats all im saying. atleast not until a bit into 09.
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You're right. The HD will be the best thing at least until Q3/2009 probably. But then there's goning to be something revolutionary.

I really think the Touch HD is good enough for most people. What could possibly be in the XD and not in the HD? HD is beautifully designed compared to the new WIMAX one which is horrible. Maybe the XD will have 8 or 16gig built in. Well we can easily add 8 or 16 gig microsd cards. Maybe XD will have a camera flash? Okay but a slight improvement over HD. Maybe XD will have Windows Mobile 7? Well I am sure the talented folk on here will make a compatible rom for HD users. Maybe XD will have Android? Well we are a Windows Mobile community and it will take a long time for Android to catch up with the thousands of apps out for PPC. Maybe it will have a 4" screen? Well I don't want too big a casing. 3.8" is perfect. Maybe it will have the new graphics chip? The HD seems fast and more than capable to play movies and games.
I am not sure waiting and waiting for the XD version will be so worthwhile in my opinion, especially as we don't know what we are waiting for.
I can't wait for HD. The PERFECT phone (in my opinion of course)

i am pretty sure it wonÄt have WINMO 7 as it will not be out before the end of next year. and even then companys will have to test it before phones come out. so i don't expect WINMO 7 devices to see the light of day befor christmas 2009

For sure the next revolution in mobile phones will be the implementation of tegra or another piece of hardware very similar to tegra. That will then open up the possibilities of how we interact with our phones. I can't wait, but to hang on for the NEXT big thing all the time simply means you miss out on the currently available goodness!

tboy2000 said:
What could possibly be in the XD and not in the HD?
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I can't wait for HD. The PERFECT phone (in my opinion of course)
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I bet my money on that XD will have WM7, Capactive touch screen and Tegra. the rest, such as flash or built-in storage are minor things.
The reason being that one of WM7's _suggested_ (not minimum) requirement is capacitive touch screen, it has been mentioned more than once that microsoft wants WM& to be finger friendly and touch oriented instead of using a stylus, so those two go in hand in hand most LIKELY. Nvidia also annouced that they are focusing SOLELY on WM7 for tegra APX chip, so that goes hand in hand.
After searching and watching all the Tegra demo videos online, i believe this feature/hardware in itself will trump HD right now. But that won't happen till 6 month ~ a year later. I'm talking about the Tegra APX chip, not the 600 or 650, which may come earlier but are not targeted towards smartphones.
The final reason of why all these are connected is: in the original twitter of why HD is not released in US, the htc rep said "by the time we bring HD to US, there will be better things". The general trend based on my observation is that if someting (phone) is released in europe/asia first, it will be at least 6 month, till the same product passes the FCC certification + carrier certification + all that shenanigan. The same is especially true for US's GSM carrier, just look at how much delay Blackberry Bold is experiencing with AT&T's certification. Not saying it's a bad thing for them to do extra testing, but this delay just fits with what the HTC rep said. and i totally belive at the rate HTC is going, in 6+ month, they will have something that "makes HD look pale in comparison"

It won't be NVidia Tegra but probably Qualcomm or TI with Snapdragon and new OMAPs that feature 1GHz processors (+ Tegra perhaps?).
That's what the rumor about the HTC XD is about probably (well, even HTC employees don't know for sure what MR was talking about).
But it will eventually come before WM7 which means no capacitive touch but that's not for sure too.
That's everything that is known. I tell you because the speculations in this thread are going crazy...
And it is for sure that the HD will be the flagship device for at least half a year if not one year so go for it.

maati said:
That's everything that is known. I tell you because the speculations in this thread are going crazy...
And it is for sure that the HD will be the flagship device for at least half a year if not one year so go for it.
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I completely agree with this. The speculations are starting to look more like dreaming away on the ultimate phone, and "by the time the HD comes to the US" certainly does not refer to a time period of over a year from now, and before that hardly anybody realistically expects Tegra APX to be available. Same goes for WM7. Of course in a year from now there will be things that make the HD look pale in comparison. Same goes for hardware in a lot of segments, CPU's and GPU's experience huge developments per year. With that in mind you might as well wait for the rest of your life because every time something comes out something superior is already in the making.
I'm getting the HD because it will definitely rock, and I know it will really take some time before we see anything that will truly make the HD "pale in comparison".

maati said:
You're right. The HD will be the best thing at least until Q3/2009 probably. But then there's goning to be something revolutionary.
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I don't see any revolution coming in 2009. Nothing the same scale as the introduction of touchscreen, camera or gps.
All these went through long period of prototypes, reduced functionality or usage of external devices before being fully integrated in consumer devices.
There is nothing revolutionary now under development that will hit the streets in one year time. Just higher data transfer speed, higher megapixel count, higher MHz cpus, more bling-bling in the interface, better game/video framerates, better internet support, in one word evolution.
The next revolution will probably be the substitution of arm with desktop-like x86 cpus, when the power consumption will drop about 10 times compared to what Via Nano and Intel Atom can do today. And that will be in 3 to 5 years time, when they go to 10nm or so fabrication process.
By that time we will plug the LCDs in our HTCs and play Half Life with a bluetooth keyboard and mouse

HTC HD2 or wait for...?

Well, it seems it is a though decision for many people besides me...
I went from a HTC Touch to a i780 from Samsung. Much better phone than the Touch as everybody should know. Used it for more than a year till I got my hands on a new Samsung Jet. Very nice phone, much lighter, smaller, nice interface, and above all a awesome display (AMOLED 800x480). So I bought it a few months ago, but... the problem is when someone is used to a real smartphone with all the software and apps available, and the true customization options... So, Jet to the closet and i780 back on use, but... always a "but"... after getting used to the awesome display, the i780 just looks like crap.
Ok, so even with lot's of phones on every corner of my house, I'm convinced to get something new. I've tried a HTC Hero from a friend and really liked the HTC Sense interface. Android also seem's to work fine under the Sense skin, but the display and an old OS version (android 1.6) doesn't convince me to spend my money as I know I'll always be thinking on something more "up to date".
I went through net surfing and some stores, and the HD2 is really a awesome device: great, great display, fast, etc... But as we know, soon there will be some great new devices: the HTC Supersonic (HD2 alike with Android); the HTC Bravo (much alike Nexus One, but with the awesome HTC Sense); and the Nexus One itself (not yet available in Portugal, but soon it will get here). Besides those, there will be a new iPhone soon, and I don't believe Apple want's to loose the race of smartphones with a new iPhone with lower specs than the others, so probably a great iPhone will come to the light. I must say, I'm a Mac user, but never felt the "need" for an iPhone, but I confess I really like it.
So, in my place, what would you do? HD2 right now or wait for the others?
Reference links:
HTC Supersonic
HTC Bravo
iPhone

Wait for the 5" Dell mini 5 on Android!
I think the new iphone will be very similar in specs to the ipad and it will not have any special '4G' apps. But I could be wrong.

4G is supposed to be the name of the new iPhone... I'm not thinking about new apps, only better specs: display, camera, faster cpu, etc...

By the time 4G/LTE is actually a reasonably implemented cellular standard across Europe, the iPhone "4G" will look like a toy from half a decade ago...
Be happy that there are at least a few places in Portugal with 7.2mbps HSDPA service, and generally available 3.6mbps/1.8mbps maximum speeds (all theoretical, of course).
Just get a HD2 now, friend.

I think you can expect a 5mpix camera, 1GHz Apple processor and MAYBE a better display... which means, in the best case, the specs will match the HTC Bravo.
So, I'd say forget about the iPhone. No iPhone could yet match the hardware specs of its competitors, and that won't change with the next version.
Question that remains: HTC Bravo or HD2... right now, I'd say Bravo, BUT that won't be available until March, which is when Windows Mobile 7 will have already been unveiled.
Bottom line: Wait until the announcement of Windows Mobile 7 on February 15. Chances are that it will blow away every bit of desire you now feel for Android or iPhone

blastop said:
By the time 4G/LTE is actually a reasonably implemented cellular standard across Europe, the iPhone "4G" will look like a toy from half a decade ago...
Be happy that there are at least a few places in Portugal with 7.2mbps HSDPA service, and generally available 3.6mbps/1.8mbps maximum speeds (all theoretical, of course).
Just get a HD2 now, friend.
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You are right my friend, but once more I want to make an attention call for this: iPhone 4G, it's only the name of the device. It doesn't mean it's built for 4th generation networks. At least, it's the name already seen in the source code of the latest updates of iPhone OS. The new iPhone, will be called 4G the same way it could be called 3GSS, or something else...

freyberry said:
I think you can expect a 5mpix camera, 1GHz Apple processor and MAYBE a better display... which means, in the best case, the specs will match the HTC Bravo.
So, I'd say forget about the iPhone. No iPhone could yet match the hardware specs of its competitors, and that won't change with the next version.
Question that remains: HTC Bravo or HD2... right now, I'd say Bravo, BUT that won't be available until March, which is when Windows Mobile 7 will have already been unveiled.
Bottom line: Wait until the announcement of Windows Mobile 7 on February 15. Chances are that it will blow away every bit of desire you now feel for Android or iPhone
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Aside from the awesome display, the Bravo it's the one most appealing. HD2 or Supersonic, really have great displays, but they are uncomfortable big to carry out on your pocket (pants pocket of course).
About Windows 7, let's wait and see. To say the true, I've always been a Linux/MacOS user and fan (I work as IT Security Specialist, so Windows is always a bad work tool), but to be honest, I've never had problems with Windows based mobile devices...
At least I hope WinMobile 7 to be as good as Windows 7 for PC.

Aside from the awesome display, the Bravo it's the one most appealing.
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Yeah, NOW... but as I said, by the time the Bravo gets available, you may already have seen WM7 and may not find the Bravo appealing anymore.
You should just wait now, it's a long time until Bravo, iPhone 4G etc. get available and with the speed that smartphones are evolving, what seems appealing now may already be boring with a month.
If you want a new phone right now, get the HD2. That's undoubtedly the best smartphone thats available now in Europe.
But if you don't mind waiting, just stop wondering now about what you should buy and wait what will happen.
And by the way, the HD2 will not be too big for your pocket at all. In fact, I find it more comfortable than the iPhone 3G and the Touch HD I had before, due to the reduced thickness.
At least I hope WinMobile 7 to be as good as Windows 7 for PC.
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Which would make it the best mobile OS
(says someone who has never touched Mac OS X again since the first beta of Windows 7)

freyberry said:
If you want a new phone right now, get the HD2. That's undoubtedly the best smartphone thats available now in Europe.
And by the way, the HD2 will not be too big for your pocket at all. In fact, I find it more comfortable than the iPhone 3G and the Touch HD I had before, due to the reduced thickness.
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Right now, it is really the best one. But will in the future be available an official OS update with WM7? This is probably the most popular question on the forum about the HD2, and if it really has some "hidden" memory to support it...
About it's size, I tried one in the shop when I was carrying my i780. It is bigger than the i780 and it really feels that big in my pocket, even without the leather case. Bigger than my i780, which is uncomfortable in the pocket (front left pocket of my pants) specially when driving... but I forgive it for the awesome display

Right now, it is really the best one. But will in the future be available an official OS update with WM7?
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The HD2 definitely supports it. It does not need any hidden memory, the official specs are enough. I can promise you this.
What I can not promise, is that HTC will release an official upgrade. If they don't there's still a chance that WM7 for the HD2 will be leaked.
But if you want to be sure, just wait another two weeks, cause it's likely that if they will release an official upgrade, they will announce it at the same time Microsoft annouces WM7.
My advice is: Wait for two weeks, and if you like WM7 and there will be an official upgrade, then buy the HD2.
If you don't like what Microsoft shows at MWC, then you can still think about what device to buy. Right now, wondering about what to buy is just a waste of time, because a lot will change in the next few weeks.

The wait will kill me

Anymore opinions?

JorgeMPVCosta said:
Well, it seems it is a though decision for many people besides me...
I went from a HTC Touch to a i780 from Samsung. Much better phone than the Touch as everybody should know. Used it for more than a year till I got my hands on a new Samsung Jet. Very nice phone, much lighter, smaller, nice interface, and above all a awesome display (AMOLED 800x480). So I bought it a few months ago, but... the problem is when someone is used to a real smartphone with all the software and apps available, and the true customization options... So, Jet to the closet and i780 back on use, but... always a "but"... after getting used to the awesome display, the i780 just looks like crap.
Ok, so even with lot's of phones on every corner of my house, I'm convinced to get something new. I've tried a HTC Hero from a friend and really liked the HTC Sense interface. Android also seem's to work fine under the Sense skin, but the display and an old OS version (android 1.6) doesn't convince me to spend my money as I know I'll always be thinking on something more "up to date".
I went through net surfing and some stores, and the HD2 is really a awesome device: great, great display, fast, etc... But as we know, soon there will be some great new devices: the HTC Supersonic (HD2 alike with Android); the HTC Bravo (much alike Nexus One, but with the awesome HTC Sense); and the Nexus One itself (not yet available in Portugal, but soon it will get here). Besides those, there will be a new iPhone soon, and I don't believe Apple want's to loose the race of smartphones with a new iPhone with lower specs than the others, so probably a great iPhone will come to the light. I must say, I'm a Mac user, but never felt the "need" for an iPhone, but I confess I really like it.
So, in my place, what would you do? HD2 right now or wait for the others?
Reference links:
HTC Supersonic
HTC Bravo
iPhone
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whats the point in waiting ? every few monats a new really cool phone come out. and you can not compare these phones, there is one windows mobile phone,3 android phones and a osx phone.

Um, what about the Diamond 3/Obsession, or whatever it will be called???
I'm itching to buy an HD2, I even went and had another play with one today : ) However, there are two things stopping me buying it. One is size, the other is that the lack of an AMOLED display.
At the end of last year I bought an Acer S200 with Snapdragon chip. It was awesome because it was so fast : ) The downside was the lack of people developing stuff for it here on XDA, so when the headphone jack failed after two weeks, I sent it back. The next phone I tried was an Omnia II, which was dog slow compared to the Acer, but, of course, it was a little bit smaller than the Acer and it had a beautiful AMOLED screen...
So, I reckon, if you're unsure of the size, wait until the MWC in a couple of weeks and see what is announced. If HTC release a WinMo device that is the size of the Bravo or smaller, but still has a 3.7" sreen and Snapdragon chip, I'm buying it ; )
With regard to WinMo 7, I have one big worry. What if the specs that have been leaked are a minumum standard??? What if our Snapdragon devices struggle to run it like earlier Qualcomm chipsets struggle with 6.5?? What if you actually need the faster Snapdragon, or even dual core Snapdragon chipset to run it well? Just a thought : )

If you want a new phone now, buy the HD2 as it is by far the best one out there. If you can wait, there is always something better coming in the future.
But then, if "something better" is finally out, there will probably be another something better if you can wait another while...

Ouzo said:
With regard to WinMo 7, I have one big worry. What if the specs that have been leaked are a minumum standard??? What if our Snapdragon devices struggle to run it like earlier Qualcomm chipsets struggle with 6.5?? What if you actually need the faster Snapdragon, or even dual core Snapdragon chipset to run it well? Just a thought : )
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Don't believe the bull**** people spread on the internet. The HD2 runs WM7 perfectly.

starchildx said:
and you can not compare these phones, there is one windows mobile phone,3 android phones and a osx phone.
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What he said. To me from what I've tried android is a big "meh", so it's out. iPhone is even more out for lack of multitasking, closed environment, etc. So that leaves only the HD2. And, good news, I've loved it when trying it. So my order will go out next week

You cannot chase technology and win my friend, whatever you buy now will be old in 4 months time. R&D is always way ahead. Whatever you buy, buy it for your needs and learn to be satisfied, remembering that they will ALWAYS be something new just around the corner, and if you don't adjust your thinking you will always be unhappy as soon as the next thing comes out.

Bad News for Archos - Update on Honeycomb (unconfirmed)

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/03/honeycomb-to-require-dual-core-processor-initially-tablet-only/
http://www.androidtablets.net/forum...-have-minimum-specs-require-hd-dual-core.html
Not confirmed but.. still bad news..(at least for the long term as I suspect if the requirements are this high it will be a long time before developers develop specifically to that platform)

I have to say, I would be very surprised if that were the case. There is so much information flying around at the moment, I refuse to believe anything until it's confirmed.
Having the specs too high when so many people are converting to Android would be counter productive and risks splitting their market base. Not everyone (in fact, I would say fairly few) is able or willing to upgrade their phone and it's hardware every year in order to keep up with software.

Well, I say: let's cross the Honeycomb bridge after paying a visit to the Gingerbread man
I think Gingerbread will make this a much better alrounder than it already is. I have a feeling honeycomb will have the "Windows Vista" effect and then they'll start streamlining the programming again, without the fluff... Giving us the Android equivalent of Win7, but that's my opinion only

I have to admit that when I read this yesterday I was a bit disappointed. If this is in fact the case I will be highly upset due to the fact the honeycomb is supposedly the more "tablet specific" OS so lets hope that this is not the case

I 100% agree... It would be foolish for Google to introduce what would be a new platform and not build on what market penetration they have already with the phones (in other words they need to pull a play from Apple's playbook)
Why I dont believe this is true:
If the tablet comes in with minimums that are higher then the fastest supported phone platform OR the API changes enough that current apps break or future application development changes significantly it will be a very long adoption process. If the prices is the same or higher than the iPAD it will be a huge failure in the short term.
Dont get me wrong I love to see higher specs and newer more robust APIs as the experience will be much better for the consumer but reality is people buy these type of devices based on the number of apps that run on them. As you can see Apple kept to this strategy and has had record sales of their iPAD and will continue to... This approach with the lead unfortunately will be very difficult to overcomb - especially for the masses (us geeks are a different story but success of products depend on the masses not us geeks)
PLUS if they do change the API why havnt they released it to developers.. There is always a ramp up. Take Microsoft for example there is no larger community then the .Net developer community --- and only 5000 apps in all these weeks?
So again, why I dont believe its true:
Very Risky Option --- . Companies like to show huge profits and like less risk.. Apple has achieved a great balance with their phone/tablet products.
But this is Google (Young, Hip, Has a huge stash of cash, arrogant, etc.) ... So see below:
Events that leads me to believe that this IS true:
1. Google doesn't officially allow any tablets to access market place. "Current platform not optimized for tablet use" --- this BS as we can all see. The APIs fully support tablets with 2.2.
2. GalaxyTab released with Market ONLY for Cell model - WIFI only model delayed --- Why delayed?? NO reason technically. No work on WIFI model.. Hmmmm
2.5 Samsung announces v2 of the Galaxy will be Tegra based. (just added)
3. Who from the competitive companies (Toshiba, Vizio, Motorola, MSI, Acer, Asus, etc.) who have announced a new tablet coming in 2011, announce that their platform of choice IS NOT Tegra based?? Who who??? I haven't seen anyone. Why? - No one else has a dual core ready.
4. All Tegra based tablets have 512 meg ram --- Hmmm why? Its unnecessary for the platform (all you linux heads know what I mean). I see this as a nice to have. And for those you screaming that this is why the Archos is limited/poor performing -- use the iPAD.. It's interface/applications scream speed and the iPAD only has 256 Meg of ram (and guess what its using a Linux Kernel)
5. Tegra 2 is dual core ---- See 4..
6. Hush hush... Doesn't make sense why Google who "is an open source company" would keep the minimum specs/sdetails on this build so secretive... No leaks from vendors either... Nothing... I have more information on the iPAD 2 than Honeycomb.
7. New companies eLocity, etc. are coming out of the gate using an expensive chip as their first run??? Profit Profit Prof it is key to any new company.. If it would work on a lesser chip they would gone there first..
Simple fun to speculate either way though..
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I have to say, I would be very surprised if that were the case. There is so much information flying around at the moment, I refuse to believe anything until it's confirmed.
Having the specs too high when so many people are converting to Android would be counter productive and risks splitting their market base. Not everyone (in fact, I would say fairly few) is able or willing to upgrade their phone and it's hardware every year in order to keep up with software.
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As long as we're able to eventually root the device and get a custom ROM installed I wouldn't worry about it. I had a G1 prior to my Nexus One phone. Installing Cyanogenmod on the G1 made the phone much more usable then the vanilla ROM that it came with. The custom ROM guys love to backport the newer stuff for older devices.

http://twitter.com/morrildl/status/12380827807653888
No minimums?

That's GingerBread, not Honeycomb.

Asus just demoed their EEPad guess what? Honeycomb tablet NOT running Tegra 2... Dont fret though.... Its using the Qualcom dual core processor... (Note the dual core processor)... Its out in June at 499..

This bothers me due to the fact that I just returned the GTab (the screen is terrible) and should have my 70 tab tomorrow or Thursday, wtf.
Sent from a Fresh Evo

See it this way... with the 70 you will have many many many many months of enjoyment before you are forced to upgrade. Even if Honeycomb comes out tomorrow I highly doubt there will be any proprietary/optimized applications for the OS. You wont see Honeycomb optimized applications till the 3rd or 4 quarter and applications will not use the dual core probably till later next year (though since the applications run through a JVM is is conceivable the JVM will have the added benefit of brining true multi threading without the developer needing to know how to implement the multi-threading)
Net net is... I still think the GTablet/Archos line of products are short term fixes for a need... the long term fix comes 2nd half when all tablets are out the market.. next year until we get hardware that is at a reasonable price.
Not for nothing if they come in at or around the 500 or 600 mark... Why wouldn't I get a IPAD 2(talking from my wifes point of view)?
hough77 said:
This bothers me due to the fact that I just returned the GTab (the screen is terrible) and should have my 70 tab tomorrow or Thursday, wtf.
Sent from a Fresh Evo
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stanglx said:
See it this way... with the 70 you will have many many many many months of enjoyment before you are forced to upgrade. Even if Honeycomb comes out tomorrow I highly doubt there will be any proprietary/optimized applications for the OS. You wont see Honeycomb optimized applications till the 3rd or 4 quarter and applications will not use the dual core probably till later next year (though since the applications run through a JVM is is conceivable the JVM will have the added benefit of brining true multi threading without the developer needing to know how to implement the multi-threading)
Net net is... I still think the GTablet/Archos line of products are short term fixes for a need... the long term fix comes 2nd half when all tablets are out the market.. next year until we get hardware that is at a reasonable price.
Not for nothing if they come in at or around the 500 or 600 mark... Why wouldn't I get a IPAD 2(talking from my wifes point of view)?
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Indeed, thanx for the positive outlook, it will be a fun toy, and its not hard on check book either! Like it will be the last tab I ever buy or something.
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Well... after seeing some of the demos and the units which have Honeycomb I can honestly say with some level of confidence that
1. HoneyComb will most certainly be a tablet only OS - I think this is a horrible approach. This will just splinter the development with Phones always having the priority as there are more of them. Apple did it right having the base OS the same and leaving the difference up to the developers on which form factor to target for their app (Microsoft is doing the same if you have ever developed on the new mobile,desktop or gaming platform you know what I mean)
2. It will most certainly require dual core. Everything is a dual core even the EEPAD (not tegra based) that has been talked about that will run Honeycomb...
Positive is Archos will drop in price in a few weeks once pre-orders start for these devices...
Now I want to see what move apple makes... (they will most certainly wait to hear HoneyComb release date and some prices)..

ASUS Eee Pad MeMO:
•BXL Qualcomm Snapdragon 8260 1.2Ghz
Motorola XOOM with no Button (back, home, menu, ect..)
All kind nearly with our cheap Archos... nothing to worry about Honeycomb... just how long they do ^_^

Not so bad now.
I just read on n-tv that a google developer said there will be no hard requirements like screen sizes or cpu cores for Android 3.0.
Thing is, with only 256 MiByte of Ram the Archos will most likely have to be modded to run it. Like adding swap space and overclock.
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It will install.. but will it run... I can install Windows Vista on an old 386... takes 2 days to install... but it boots.. and "technical runs"
Kashban said:
Not so bad now.
I just read on n-tv that a google developer said there will be no hard requirements like screen sizes or cpu cores for Android 3.0.
Thing is, with only 256 MiByte of Ram the Archos will most likely have to be modded to run it. Like adding swap space and overclock.
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as predicted, total BS
https://twitter.com/#!/morrildl/status/22845294886518785
#dejavu Random note: there's no hard minimum processor requirement for Honeycomb. Trust me, if there were I'd know.
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See this -->http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10375484&postcount=16
czesiu said:
as predicted, total BS
https://twitter.com/#!/morrildl/status/22845294886518785
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stanglx said:
It will install.. but will it run... I can install Windows Vista on an old 386... takes 2 days to install... but it boots.. and "technical runs"
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Actually, you can't do that. There are hard minimums for supported architecture.

JasonOT said:
Actually, you can't do that. There are hard minimums for supported architecture.
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burn. just saying.

[Q] A true HD2 replacement?

So I've been using an HD2 for a few months, and I absolutely love it, being able to run Phone 7, Android, Ubuntu, and just having so much freedom with it. However, it is an aging device, and while it hasn't had any problems for me as of yet, I'm still considering what my next device will be. My question is: are there any phones out as of now, or to be released soon, that are/could be the next HD2? I mean, I also have a Touchpad, which as of now seems to be heading towards HD2 awesomeness, but I can't quite fit that in my pocket. Any suggestions/thoughts?

Yea I want to know too. I also have an HTC HD2 and a Touchpad. The HTC HD2 is getting really old and the battery life isn't up to par with current smartphones.

In my opinion, there will be no other phone as hackable as the HD2 with the ability to run multiple Operating Systems. Windows Phone is just starting to pickup but give it sometime as it will slowly be hackable. We got no other choice other than Android, Iphone or (Correct me if im wrong) Nokia Meego. I will just wait for next year and wait what HTC or Nokia will bring us.

Yea I've been due for a upgrade for months, just not anything I've seen worth 2years.

Well, if you guys are considering ditching your HD2s drop me a line ;-)

fmmsf said:
Well, if you guys are considering ditching your HD2s drop me a line ;-)
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Ha, I browsed Craigslist for a month waiting for a decent price one, then got damn lucky and bought one off some guy LNIB and unlocked for $85 USD. Such a great phone at a great price.
Anyways, there's that Phone 7 Nokia phone coming out soon, the Lumia I think it is? Do you guys think there's any chance for that being super hacked? It seems like a possible contender....

I don't know, I still have my nokia e71 unlocked, the first phone in the States with a front facing camera, and that was three years ago, but after a 4.3inch screen of the HD2, I cant see myself with a smaller screen. So the nokia is a no go for me.

ElectroBeijing said:
So I've been using an HD2 for a few months, and I absolutely love it, being able to run Phone 7, Android, Ubuntu, and just having so much freedom with it. However, it is an aging device, and while it hasn't had any problems for me as of yet, I'm still considering what my next device will be. My question is: are there any phones out as of now, or to be released soon, that are/could be the next HD2? I mean, I also have a Touchpad, which as of now seems to be heading towards HD2 awesomeness, but I can't quite fit that in my pocket. Any suggestions/thoughts?
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I have the same issue as you, one month ago; I switched on Sensation Black, a very good phone for daily usage (regardless its battery issues) but, I manage to keep also the HD2 which is the most tweak-able device I've ever used.
best regards

I'm feeling left behind now that most high end phones are dual core, and quad core are right around the corner! Not that I need that kind of power, I'm just afraid that stock Android will start to lag on the HD2 and I'll have to upgrade [ or be stuck with a slow phone :O ]

ElectroBeijing said:
So I've been using an HD2 for a few months, and I absolutely love it, being able to run Phone 7, Android, Ubuntu, and just having so much freedom with it. However, it is an aging device, and while it hasn't had any problems for me as of yet, I'm still considering what my next device will be. My question is: are there any phones out as of now, or to be released soon, that are/could be the next HD2? I mean, I also have a Touchpad, which as of now seems to be heading towards HD2 awesomeness, but I can't quite fit that in my pocket. Any suggestions/thoughts?
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Dear,
try to check the SonyEricsson Arc, it's very nice one

The Arc is a nice phone, but its not a flagship device like the hd2 was when it was first released.
As for a phone worth upgrading to, there are none that fit the bill just yet. I'm personally waiting for Qualcomm's S4 quad core CPU (2.5Ghz per core, each core running at 25% power of the snapdragon in the hd2) to be released into a phone before I upgrade. Theres quite a bit of waiting involved, however. I think the dual-core variant is already being shipped to manufacturers, and the CES conference in February should release more information.
FYI, the rumour mill is already at work regarding these chips - http://androidandme.com/2011/11/news/rumor-first-28nm-snapdragon-s4-devices-to-arrive-by-february/
First quad core device codenamed HTC Edge (running Tegra 3 quad core @ 1.5Ghz per core) - http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/11/htc-nvidia-quad-core-tegra-3/

Kusay said:
Dear,
try to check the SonyEricsson Arc, it's very nice one
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I actually love the Arc ROM available for the HD2, and I would consider an Arc [ or the Arc HD], only thing is that I don't think they're available to us here in the US...or is it called something else here?

WOW - that HTC Edge device looks awesome - would love a windows phone with similar spec.

Maybe last WP7 device will be next HD2? (if they switch to W8)
I don't feel the need to replace my HD2 yet, but I'm still looking after "new HD2", to see what might be worthwhile updating later. But I'm yet to see something like that.
Maybe it will come, after HD2 gets really old (when majority of games and heavy apps will not run smooth) and start loosing developers at very fast rate. After all, developers will have to go somewhere. Let's just hope that they will all move to same device.

See samsung galaxy tab sII. Number 1 in many reviews.

In fact, although HD2 is stable at android, wm6.5, wp7,
but it more like a toy...
if you need stablest communication, you may buy a nokia....

zimasha said:
See samsung galaxy tab sII. Number 1 in many reviews.
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Do you mean galaxy tab or galaxy s2? If first, we are looking for phone here.
And I don't care about reviews. I'm looking for must customizable and developed phone, not necessarily best one.

So far from I have seen the only other phone that looks like it might be competition is the Galaxy sII.
But, I have had a horrible experience with the last one(A true POS - the Vibrant).
Yet the new one looks pretty promising. . . . Maybe
But, I just can't swing a close to 500 Dollar price tag.

Here in the UK the SGSII is still too expensive SIM free, considering how long it has been out. If it were 50% cheaper I would buy one to tide me over...
Other than that, the jury is out for me. Every time I see a new handset announced that interests me, the manufacturer screws it up by omitting something that is important for me that I already take for granted - e.g a MicroSD card slot (Micro SDXC is the way forward - especially once I start to watch hi-def movies on my phone and stream to my tv).
I'd also like the same size screen or slightly bigger, but in a smaller device. It will happen in time I'm sure but I'm amazed how long it is taking. Why are so many OEMs are focusing solely on the thickness of the device? Okay, so the Razr (or part of it) is super thin, but it's wider than our HD2 for goodness sake!?!?
Finally.....I like buttons. There, I said it, my shame is out in the open. I remember when just about every hardware button on a device could be programmed for both short and long presses. Notification LEDs rock too. Oh dear, now I have publicly humiliated myself completely.... ; )

Ouzo said:
Finally.....I like buttons. There, I said it, my shame is out in the open. I remember when just about every hardware button on a device could be programmed for both short and long presses. Notification LEDs rock too. Oh dear, now I have publicly humiliated myself completely.... ; )
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So true, I don't like having a single button to wake the phone up. Even the iPhone has 2.