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Multi touch in the Touch HD?

Hi All,
So excited about getting the Touch HD, but one thing is kinda bothering me,
since we are all waiting to see the new wm7 and because making such a pricey purchase for a phone, i would expect that wm7 will work on the HD (hopefuly)
Now, what good is wm7 on such a fantastic device if we can't utilize Multi Touch and the like?!
Can anybody confirm via experiment that it can do multi touch?
(and i am not talking about the navi-area like diamond/pro)
Thanks guys,
Fadi

VERY good question, but there is one glaring problem with it:
Since WM6.1 doesn't support multi-touch, there really isn't a way to experiment to see if the HD does in fact support it.
Now, I do remember reading somewhere that the Diamond does support multi-touch a few months ago. I don't know if that was accurate or not, but I did read it. I am not sure if that's the "navi-area" you speak of, but that's what I read.
I am not sure anyone can really answer your question besides HTC themselves and you are going to be hard pressed to get an answer out of them. I sent them a question prior to the HD's release asking if it had a light sensor and they basically told me they don't know- but usually the secondary video camera acts as one. LOL.
If I had to bet, I would say it lacked multi-touch. I am not sure how great multi-touch is, you can use two fingers in opposite directions to zoom in on a picture of you can simply double tap on it twice... lol. I don't own an iPhone so maybe there is more to it than just that and I am pretty sure of that, but I don't think there is a "whole" lot more to it.
Now I am going to get some iPhone "not a fanboy" coming in and telling me that multi-touch scrambles eggs and grills steak.

For goodness sake, why is everybody so obsessed with multi-touch?
I mean, it's a nice feature but with a limited use in fact, and I completely fail to see how lack of it may be a show stopper!
To say that there is no point in buying a device without it is just crazy.

nu_D said:
VERY good question, but there is one glaring problem with it:
Now I am going to get some iPhone "not a fanboy" coming in and telling me that multi-touch scrambles eggs and grills steak.
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Well, it marinades the steak, and THEN grills it to perfection actually, this is an APPLE iPhone you know
Well, I have an iPhone, I don't think I am a fanboy, hell, who cares......but nah, multi touch is a nice to have, bit it is no big deal.
Kev

Thanks guys for the reply.
I understand your point, actually looking at what wm7 has in store for the
multi-touch technology, it just bothers me to not have it in this nice device.
how much will i use multi-touch... or how useful it is? no idea
I simply like to know that the HD can make use of all what wm7 has to offer.. well..hoping that they release it sometime in this century lol
Thnx

Is there anything close to a firm release date for WM7 yet?
I read 2nd half of 2009 on a site on Google, does anyone know any different?
HTC seam to be chucking out the new models at quite some rate lately with the Diamond, Pro and HD all within a few months of each other. Hopefully they will release new WM7 roms for all these phones and not expect us all to fork out for another £500 device just to upgrade!

Fadik said:
Thanks guys for the reply.
I understand your point, actually looking at what wm7 has in store for the
multi-touch technology, it just bothers me to not have it in this nice device.
how much will i use multi-touch... or how useful it is? no idea
I simply like to know that the HD can make use of all what wm7 has to offer.. well..hoping that they release it sometime in this century lol
Thnx
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Well, it's like whether you need a QWERTY keyboard or not.
If you're asking yourself if you NEED it, then you don't need it.

I think the reason behind the question is what happens in if WM7 is designed with the expectation that multi touch is present.
If that was the case, then some commonly used functions might become very tedious to use without multitouch since you might be forced to go through menu options etc.
e.g. In photo app. If Zoom relied on pinch, the only alternative without it might mean having to go from full screen to normal screen then picking menu button then selecting zoom.
Perhaps we should have these devices launched as WM7 Capable (Not to be confused with WM7 Ultimate Ready)
Zuber

Zuber said:
I think the reason behind the question is what happens in if WM7 is designed with the expectation that multi touch is present.
If that was the case, then some commonly used functions might become very tedious to use without multitouch since you might be forced to go through menu options etc.
e.g. In photo app. If Zoom relied on pinch, the only alternative without it might mean having to go from full screen to normal screen then picking menu button then selecting zoom.
Perhaps we should have these devices launched as WM7 Capable (Not to be confused with WM7 Ultimate Ready)
Zuber
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Well, hopefully MS people will have more foresight than that.
For example, the beloved iPhone zooms with pinching and with double tapping

Don't quote me on this but I THINK I remember reading that 6.5 should be released in Q1 of 2009 and that 7 should be released in 2010.
I am pretty sure about the 2010 release but sort of iffy on the Q1 of 2009 release.
Multi-touch is cool, first thing I did on the Macbook display at the Apple store was try it out on the trackpad- and it was at that point I found it to be useless. I am sure WM7 will implement it but I will bet my shoes that they will support other input methods for specific tasks, such as double tapping.
It would be cool to have, but to put it into perspective, I would love for Apple to boost their camera to 5 megapixels and have them ditch multi-touch or would have HTC add flash to the HD rather than multi-touch. The flash example is a much better example since it's not a deal breaker whereas the weak camera in the iPhone is.
Anyways.
Ya man, it's crazy what some people say- one guy made the lack of TV-out to be almost as bad as nuclear winter. I mean seriously, how many times a week do you use TV-out? I live on campus at a major university, which anyone will tell you has more televisions and iPhones per square yard than any other place in the world, and I have never seen anyone use their TV-out. Hell, I don't think anyone even owns the cable or even knows they could output TV. But man, this guy waged war with me that the lack of TV-out made the HD absolutely and utterly useless. I learned my lesson so now whenever I say anything even REMOTELY negative about the iPhone, I have my flame retardant suit on.
"Meh.. multi-touch is cool I guess."
"Multi-touch is the greatest invention of ALL time you n00b!! I will pawN you with my multi-touch light saber!!!! What are you going to do? Double tap your light saber!!!!?? HA! HA! PAWNED!!!!!"
lolz

Don't quote me on this but I THINK I remember reading that 6.5 should be released in Q1 of 2009 and that 7 should be released in 2010.
I am pretty sure about the 2010 release but sort of iffy on the Q1 of 2009 release.
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I've heard of "first half of 2009" for 6.5, which sounds ok.
And "end of 2009" for WM7, but we all know that that's NOT going to happen, and if it does, i don't see a device with WM7 before 2010, so there's lots of time...

Insaneboy said:
I've heard of "first half of 2009" for 6.5, which sounds ok.
And "end of 2009" for WM7, but we all know that that's NOT going to happen, and if it does, i don't see a device with WM7 before 2010, so there's lots of time...
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I've just bought a HD (and I like it very much, thank you) on an 18 month Orange contract. I expect my next phone to be an android or WM7 phone. My money is on Android.
HTC offer the best smartphone hardware, which is only currently available with WM. The iPhone offers the best implimented user centric interface, and android offers open source, fast efficient modern interface, and the prospect of the most versatile customisation. I expect over the next 18 month for WM to improve the accessibility of its interface, iPhone to improve its hardware and support for business level functions. Android will become available on a number of different devices (I don't count the current prototype as a serious mass market phone) and if the market takes a shine to it the potential for development and customisabiity is enormous - coupled with the fact that the interface is fast and modern, as a platform it has the potential to to develop at a rate that will put the others to shame.
For my next purchase in 18 months, my money is on android. It wouldn't be the first time I was wrong if it didn't work out that way though.

trentend said:
I've just bought a HD (and I like it very much, thank you) on an 18 month Orange contract. I expect my next phone to be an android or WM7 phone. My money is on Android.
HTC offer the best smartphone hardware, which is only currently available with WM. The iPhone offers the best implimented user centric interface, and android offers open source, fast efficient modern interface, and the prospect of the most versatile customisation. I expect over the next 18 month for WM to improve the accessibility of its interface, iPhone to improve its hardware and support for business level functions. Android will become available on a number of different devices (I don't count the current prototype as a serious mass market phone) and if the market takes a shine to it the potential for development and customisabiity is enormous - coupled with the fact that the interface is fast and modern, as a platform it has the potential to to develop at a rate that will put the others to shame.
For my next purchase in 18 months, my money is on android. It wouldn't be the first time I was wrong if it didn't work out that way though.
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Yes, Android has the potential to be as customisable as winmo and as pretty as iPhone OS.
And all the news lately are this manufacturer is going to make an Android phone and that manufacturer is going to make an Android phone... seems Symbian is going to have a very tough time next couple of years...

nu_D said:
Don't quote me on this but I THINK I remember reading that 6.5 should be released in Q1 of 2009 and that 7 should be released in 2010.
I am pretty sure about the 2010 release but sort of iffy on the Q1 of 2009 release.
Multi-touch is cool, first thing I did on the Macbook display at the Apple store was try it out on the trackpad- and it was at that point I found it to be useless. I am sure WM7 will implement it but I will bet my shoes that they will support other input methods for specific tasks, such as double tapping.
It would be cool to have, but to put it into perspective, I would love for Apple to boost their camera to 5 megapixels and have them ditch multi-touch or would have HTC add flash to the HD rather than multi-touch. The flash example is a much better example since it's not a deal breaker whereas the weak camera in the iPhone is.
Anyways.
Ya man, it's crazy what some people say- one guy made the lack of TV-out to be almost as bad as nuclear winter. I mean seriously, how many times a week do you use TV-out? I live on campus at a major university, which anyone will tell you has more televisions and iPhones per square yard than any other place in the world, and I have never seen anyone use their TV-out. Hell, I don't think anyone even owns the cable or even knows they could output TV. But man, this guy waged war with me that the lack of TV-out made the HD absolutely and utterly useless. I learned my lesson so now whenever I say anything even REMOTELY negative about the iPhone, I have my flame retardant suit on.
"Meh.. multi-touch is cool I guess."
"Multi-touch is the greatest invention of ALL time you n00b!! I will pawN you with my multi-touch light saber!!!! What are you going to do? Double tap your light saber!!!!?? HA! HA! PAWNED!!!!!"
lolz
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Agree with you mate.
Everyone should define his/her own requirements first before saying if a device is useless. A person who does lots of group presentation using power point and the like on the move might find TV-out indispensable. A person who need to use a device on prolonged basis wihout availability of power will find replaceable battery indispensable. Everyone's requirement is unique and the requirements must first be considered before jumping into the bandwagon to get the latest phone.
Also, just because a person "declares" a device "useless" does not make it useless. It just mean that it does not meet his requirements but may 100% meet my requirements.

Hey,
i heard that multitouch is an apple patent and therefor not available on other phones. is that true?
if so then i'm pretty sure nearly every newer phone is capable of multitouch and there may be just a little "tweak" to unlock it.
any information on this? is somebody working on this?

DarsVaeda said:
Hey,
i heard that multitouch is an apple patent and therefor not available on other phones. is that true?
if so then i'm pretty sure nearly every newer phone is capable of multitouch and there may be just a little "tweak" to unlock it.
any information on this? is somebody working on this?
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Research on capacitive vs resistive touch screen technology.

sorry?
do you mean one of the technologies do not support multitouch
or do you mean one of those technologies is patented by apple?

DarsVaeda said:
sorry?
do you mean one of the technologies do not support multitouch
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Yes, and it's not ours...

is it absolutely impossible in resistitive touch screens have multi touch?!

Saw this on engadget yesterday - on the G1 though
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/...ality-integrated-headphone-jack-still-just-a/

HTC will use nVidia’s new processor on 2009 new devices

I know that many HTC’s HD users are frustrated with the Qualcomm chip that HTC choose to power their devices, so I am certain that a lot of our users will be pleased with the following news.
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=2423
Happy no because I have an HD

Damnit I know I should have waited another year
hehe
No really **** it runs real smooth with all that graphics

ok i am really gonna get pissed.
I bought 5 htc devices so far and all of them are incomplete god damn

god damn it. :| I wonder how much will it be...

Damn Now this sucks , I just got HD for a whooping ~850$(41,900INR) and now they are announcing it hope they don't release it within this year

oO
Unbelievable!!

Hold your horses...
The Touch HD is a fine device.
Nice screen, sensitive, very nice browsing, TF3D has also been tweaked to be close to perfect.
This will be a totally unknown chipset. There is a ton of hype around it, but you need to see what it will deliver.
There is always "something better" in the future. What matters is what you have NOW in your hand, that you can use every day.
It's the same with android - huge hype, "potential" bla bla, but when you have the G1 in your hand, and try to use it for normal stuff, the Touch HD beats it in all ways except the hardware QWERTY keyboard.
Don't be quick to jump to conclusions.

I believe HTC have a reputation of never prodiving the needed display drivers, right? I wonder if this nVidia upgrade will really make a huge difference then...?

smell the coffee guys, ALL technology is outdated the moment it is released and all tech companies have bigger and better in the background for release next week/month/year... much like new cars.....
else if they made the perfect device that was future proof, they'd end their business inside a year
plus dont forget moores law etc
i buy the best i can at the time (my loverly HD) upgrade and tweak it til i get it to a level that i cant improve (much) on and then use it til my contract runs out
this is every 18 months and then i get the next flavour of the month
its like that and thats the way it is (to quote RunDMC )

jonajuna said:
smell the coffee guys, ALL technology is outdated the moment it is released and all tech companies have bigger and better in the background for release next week/month/year... much like new cars.....
else if they made the perfect device that was future proof, they'd end their business inside a year
plus dont forget moores law etc
i buy the best i can at the time (my loverly HD) upgrade and tweak it til i get it to a level that i cant improve (much) on and then use it til my contract runs out
this is every 18 months and then i get the next flavour of the month
its like that and thats the way it is (to quote RunDMC )
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Yup totally agree with you on that.....anyway they changing the processor....gowd knows thats a huge change for all the softwares.....

Thanks to Projection and TNYYNT's work on the Touch HD video conversion, I envision the Touch HD fully meeting my mobile needs for the next 18 months. For the last 6 months of my contract, I'll just have to bear it.
A Touch HD with an nVidia trip would be a great upgrade in 2 years time!

SingaporeAirlines said:
Thanks to Projection and TNYYNT's work on the Touch HD video conversion, I envision the Touch HD fully meeting my mobile needs for the next 18 months. For the last 6 months of my contract, I'll just have to bear it.
A Touch HD with an nVidia trip would be a great upgrade in 2 years time!
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in 2 years time you'll be able to have in bioengineered straight into your cortex

This sounds to me like another marketing anounce but it's a shame HTC&Developers don't put the effort on what is actually on the market. HD is perfectly cabable on very good video when hardware is used at 100%. Just imagine what could be QTV accell on Divx, just look at what gives COD2_Demo_Goforce.exe that uses hardware accel opengl. Part of the problem is that developers dont make use of hardware acceleration and I'm not sure they will use it more with this new hardware. Anyway, we are at the begining of a new age with development of the smartphone technologies, and the HD somtimes looks like a "first try". I think I'll wait 2 years so that I can have a beter device than the onces available next year ;-). And its not a joke, COD2 works on HD with opengl hardware accel. Very fast with smoothed textures but unplayable due to lak of buttons.

htc using qualcomm hardware without drivers....
htc using nvidia hardware without drivers.....
what is the difference in speed? lol

I can't help but wonder if some of the naysayers are former ATI fans, or just cynics. nVidia has had a pretty good history with drivers, especially given to the full (read: early) history of the Detonator drivers (for those few who remember).
The issue of charging HTC for video drivers is pretty unlikely, and if they did, they're going to bundle the driver price into the price of the chips. After all, nVidia, unlike Qualcomm, cares deeply about their name. Where HTC's never put any sort of logo or advertising (beyond a listing in the tech specs) for a Qualcomm chip, I think you can almost bet money there will be an nVidia logo on every box with an equipped HTC phone. I'm not sure I wouldn't expect their logo to find it's way onto the splashscreen on bootup.
I have very few doubts about the video quality/capability/power of nVidia putting a chip into HTC phones....my question is how hacker-friendly will they be. Obviously we'll always be able to dump the roms and scrape the drivers out of the latest phones, but will nVidia be willing to post newer versions of drivers for the public to grab at without being released to a phone (even if it only fixes bugs)? I know it's a bit of a long shot, and unlikely given that they aren't very open-source friendly, but I still hold out some hope.

We don't know what the deal is with the Qualcomm drivers. A year ago I was angry at HTC for not buying the drivers from Qualcomm for my Tytn II, but it's a bit telling that since then we've still had not a single device on the market that uses these Qualcomm chips with full hardware acceleration - not from HTC, not from anybody. Which makes me wonder, maybe the best drivers in the world (eg the ones that Qualcomm would license you if you paid them enough) don't really get worthwhile performance out of these chips either. Maybe HTC have already tried these mythical drivers and found that, actually, there's no great advantage over their homegrown stuff.
If the Qualcomm MSM7200 series was really all that, wouldn't there be at least one device that proved it?
IMHO these low-performing Qualcomm's have been the achille's heel of HTC and the popular face of WinMo for way too long. Better processors can't come soon enough, and I wouldn't look at another HTC device until they're here, and proving themselves.

Qualcomm is far bigger than AMD in terms of sales. Telling from such a big company I'd seriously wonder if Qualcomm did not care about their name. NVidia are well-known for their aggressive advertising, that's for sure. I use a NVidia card in my PC, happy with it, still lots of potential sleeping in this card which has and will never be used because, well, new graphics cards need to be sold - no need to be a fanboy, that's just plain business.
HTC mystics:
- Remember all those historical bugs which have never been fixed on your HTC device, not big stories but simply annoying bugs.
- Screen resolution is another point, why use a WVGA resolution when you cannot give your device the necessary speed (hardware- and/or driverwise) to cope with it ?
All these points are a HTC design matter, not a Qualcomm problem. Oh sure, Qualcomm's license is too expensive, isn't it ? You don't buy a Porsche if you can't afford to buy the fuel to drive it ... (N.B.: didn't use Ferrari as reference as I am not that convinced about Qualcomm either )
To be short: I think the move towards NVidia is a positive one, as it will give HTC the chance to reclaim itself. We will see if they seize it.
In the meanwhile, I'll enjoy my Touch HD

Official Android Rom for HD2 Petition

I went ahead and made a petition for Android on the HD2. HTC probably won't care and it sucks that it's come to this but whatever. At least this way we'd have an amazing device WITH an OS that will be supported down the line. Theres a field to state whether you're a current or potential owner as well. I couldn't hotlink since I'm a newb so add the www below...
petitiononline.com/And4HD2/petition.html

It would be good

pikasso1 said:
HTC probably won't care and it sucks that it's come to this...
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Hmnn, good luck with that. I doubt that HTC would care. They are a commercial organsiation, they sell phones, hell, they've won, they got you (and me) to buy an HD2. I chose it for what it was at the time, and it's still the same excellent phone. Developments and politics surrounding Windows Phone 7 Series hasn't affected it's ability to operate. HTC will be wanting people to buy Desires and Supersonics and whatever the next big Android phone is. You might get Android via the back door if someone ports it from a similar spec'd device but i honestly think nothing official will happen. The small number of people interested in migrating their HD2's to Android would be a tiny drop in a massive ocean of commercial opportunities for HTC (but how many people would demand it it to be free if HTC offered it but asked for a porting charge for any driver development changes?). I really don't think that the disappointment felt by some that their HD2's won't be officially, and freely, upgraded to Windows Phone 7 Series is of interest to HTC (or Microsoft either).
That's my honest opinion. Good luck.

there's no way in hell HTC would do this with Desire coming out.

I'm with u Pikasso1, it would be nice to have another O.S in our HD's (Android, linux), only to **** MS to hell!, in my opinion, I don't care if MS brings WinMo 7 to another phones and not to HD2, with 3, 4 or 532 buttons, I piss off over it, I changed from an I900 Omnia to HD2 by the capacitative screen ONLY (I use caps lock to mark the only reason, not big screen, SnapDragon, or nothing else), MS tells us that don't upgrade, HTC get a slap in the face, ****'em & HTC!, the phone itself it's a big machine, I can do a lot of things (even call! ), I think there is HD2 for long (and WinMo 6.5 too), I'll can see videos, hear music, surf internet, and a lot of things without WinMo 7 or another O.S.
How many phones with WinMO are on market? 0?, not yet?, how many with another 6.0, 6.5? millions?, it's like a big soccer score!, in my country there is a phrase to describe this moment...to MS & HTC...Zas! en toda la boca! (Peter Griffin).

i signed it, but htc would never do this... it would kill desire & supersonic

bkar89 said:
i signed it, but htc would never do this... it would kill desire & supersonic
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Sigh... it's true, but it's so rare that T-Mobile US gets good hardware and the one time it does... well, you know. I'd switch carriers if I wasn't paying $70 per month for unlimited everything.

http://petitiononline.com/And4HD2/petition.html

Ha, it won't even let me quote your hotlink.
Thanks!

cMMY69 said:
hell, they've won, they got you (and me) to buy an HD2.
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Actually, I haven't bought one yet, but I'm on T-Mobile and I want one! But it's harder to justify the purchase right now. It's my favorite hardware design by a wide margin though. Plus I just thought, why not make a petition?

Well I would pay for the Android port, just for the choice, we all switch roms to improve performance. So switching between OS gives more choice, but it's not gonna happen.....…

Double LOL on this, what would be next, a petition to FORD to make an alectric engine for your car with diesel engine?
You bought winmo device not an open platform hardware.

MS should read this forum and find out how bad they truly are...
maybe they aldready have..

signed the petition.... expected to see alot more sigs on there than 33

signed.. we need more people!!!

Well I signed, a famous saying springs to mind..... Judge not those who try and fail, but those who fail to try....
Just sign any way, you never know.

signed...!
seriously, terribly disappointed that w7ps would not be made available to the HD2 just because of the button layout.
screw you HTC!

Signed it just for fun and to see how many people this hits... I expect we'll see a good 100 people or so, which would be a drop in the ocean next to the several hundreds of thousand HD2 owners there must be, i.e no single bit of value whatsoever

vivek310 said:
signed...!
seriously, terribly disappointed that w7ps would not be made available to the HD2 just because of the button layout.
screw you HTC!
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Its Microsoft you should be saying "screw you" to if you actually want WP7S not HTC...

Signed with the below comment...
"HTC have two options either allow continued HD2 support via Android or shell out for WM6.x AND WP7S support people. You know where the smart money is HTC. Let XDA-Devs look after WM6.x and HTC can officially offer Android 2.x with support."

Let's talk multitouch. Can we verify that it's a hardware limitation?

I'm sure a lot of you guys saw this Engadget article talking about how the Xperia X10 is missing multitouch at a hardware level. I'm sorta hoping that the SE project manager is just trying to throw people off the trail, and that maybe the phone secretly uses touchscreen hardware similar to the Nexus One's or any of the other Android phones that "didn't have multitouch" but managed to show up with it later.
Obviously it's a bit early to expect folks to have played around with the device yet, but I'm very interested. If we can pin down for sure whether or not the hardware supports multitouch, that would be a nice thing to know.

Another thought SE is not talking about multi touch ....
Isn't it being owned by Apple?

hkfriends said:
Another thought SE is not talking about multi touch ....
Isn't it being owned by Apple?
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They don't talk about anything more or less. They have said that the X10 isn't capable of more than one press at a time. No deal breaker for me though.

Flamso said:
They don't talk about anything more or less. They have said that the X10 isn't capable of more than one press at a time. No deal breaker for me though.
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I agree, i've used the phone for 2 weeks and don't miss multitouch. It isn't THAT important...

It's no deal breaker at the moment, but i must admit every now and again i wish it had it.
It seemed like an instinctual way to zoom in/out of browser,emails,maps,docs.
However I actually find myself using this handset more in portrait than landscape and the zooming keys and box works fine.
I think as android's gaming platform develops it will become a more of a requirement.
I was playing a fighting game on the iphone recently and was able activate special moves by pressing two buttons simultaneously.
Oh well, as long as they don't disappoint with the 16m colours and 2.1 multitouch can be overlooked for now.

Baggyb said:
I think as android's gaming platform develops it will become a more of a requirement.
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I agree but there is still a very long way to go. Maybe by the time we hit 3.0 and Qualcomm replace the aging ATi gfx core in their Snapdragon SoC later this year. But by that time i'll have moved on and away from the X10 They only last 4-7 months for me

Trekster said:
They only last 4-7 months for me
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Same goes for me as well I'm already eyeing up the Desire, Iphone 4g and the EVO (If UK bound).

Umm, it was confirmed by Sony early last week (Sumit Malhotra confirms no MT):
Back in November, I posted that X10 will not support multi touch functionality at launch, but will be considered for the future. I can appreciate that even though there wasn´t a commitment, such wording both creates expectations (small or big) on future support and implies restrictions on software side.
That is the information I had in hand at that point of time. I am well aware that you rate multi touch functionality very high and therefore I regret to inform you that X10 screen hardware does not register simultaneous entries. Meaning even though we will upgrade the underlying operating system in relation to upgrading our user experience layer, X10 will not support multi touch functionality. We believe that it is important for you who follow this blog to be clear on that, which is the reason why I want to confirm Rikard’s comment.
We are working on alternative solutions for certain use cases, like zooming. I will share more details about that initiative once confirmed.
Due to vendor understanding and agreements, we don´t discuss in detail regarding hardware specifications. Having said that, X10 is upgradable and as earlier described there will be significant value offered through upgrades. X10 is about to reach stores and early consumer feedback is very positive, also highlighting room for improvement which we will share in due time.
Regards,
Sumit
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Seeing the damage that has resulted from this confirmation (many potential buyers have decided to go with other phones instead), I can't see why SE would have made this statement if it were untrue.

Have worked with a few companies over the years who have made big official statements like this which actually turned out to be wrong, unless someone looks under the hood and checks the hardware themsevles i'd take it with a pinch of salt.
NB. I'm not deluding myself in anyway or building up false hope, I love this phone and it would be nice to have multi touch but i'm not overly bothered!

Super_Bob said:
Have worked with a few companies over the years who have made big official statements like this which actually turned out to be wrong, unless someone looks under the hood and checks the hardware themsevles i'd take it with a pinch of salt.
NB. I'm not deluding myself in anyway or building up false hope, I love this phone and it would be nice to have multi touch but i'm not overly bothered!
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Yeah, agreed. If it turns out that the X10 has dual touch I'd be really happy! But it doesn't really matter.

who cares?????>?

elson14 said:
who cares?????>?
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People playing games?

Browsing through /dev/input i found a udex 244:0 es209ra touch controller and startet to google that, ...
Someone in Japan is trying to get further information about single/multitouch of that chip/driver ...
http://translate.googleusercontent....&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhhpQRfyYSHH9UxvdJN5GjYIccswTA
i didnt really get the clue reading that article, ...
Bax

The X10 might get multi-touch. It is still being considered. hxxp://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2009/11/05/answers-to-some-of-your-questions/ (first question)

Rohlow said:
The X10 might get multi-touch. It is still being considered. hxxp://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2009/11/05/answers-to-some-of-your-questions/ (first question)
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That's old.
From last year.
IF you google it you will see, another SE rep said is a hardware issue and X10 will never have MT.
Only one thing will help (outside of games ofcourse): GESTURES but i don't think X10 will get global gestures (not application based) either

tuxStyle said:
That's old.
From last year.
IF you google it you will see, another SE rep said is a hardware issue and X10 will never have MT.
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Yeah no kidding. The article I linked in the OP says this, even -- and it's much newer than that blog post.

Does anyone believe that whether X10 have multi touch or not will ultimately depends on the lawsuit between Apple and HTC? It is obvious that Apple is suing HTC for patents infringement and multi-touch is one of them.
It is only right that SE don't depend/consider on the multi touch for now. Wait for the case to settle and announce accordingly. Agreed?

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Does anyone believe that whether X10 have multi touch or not will ultimately depends on the lawsuit between Apple and HTC? It is obvious that Apple is suing HTC for patents infringement and multi-touch is one of them.
It is only right that SE don't depend/consider on the multi touch for now. Wait for the case to settle and announce accordingly. Agreed?
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I agree, I think SE is trying new ways of 'zooming' (allthough MT is not all about zooming) to not get in trouble with Apple in the USA. They could introduce MT in Europe though as Apples MT patent only applies in the USA. However then they should come up with two solutions, one for USA, one for example for Europe and that would probably be to much work...

With all the bad press they received with regards to the multitouch (MT). I now believe it is hardware as SE have not tried to defend themselves.
They have actually confirmed that the hardware doesn't support MT. So it sounds as though they opted for the clearpad 1000.
The only thing that unsettles me is that when I spoke to SE direct 2-4 weeks before launch, the rep was confident that the issue was software based.
It wasn't until the SE Blog broke the news that the reps at SE changed their minds and said that it would never support MT.
I mean the Droid wasn't multi touch in the US but the UK variant was. This was all down to software, but the X10 issue somehow feels different.
My next big fear is colour support 65k, 252k or 16m. Another issue that was confirmed as a software limitation. Android 1.6 being the limiting factor to 65k.
I was told by SE 2.1 would bring 16m. However I have also heard that the actual screen supports only 252K. I'm still non the wiser.

Yea, the 65k is another problem.
SE didn't say anything about that so, is a big chance to have more than 65k after android upgrade but even if it won't have, we can't do anything about it as we will (or already did) buy a phone with 65k
This is what is written in specs

HD2 selling around the world

Any one has an idea of how many units are sold around the world? and may be IPhones selling too.
i like to see if the selling after one year of release would drive software development to work for it, or will it just die like other good HTC units thanks to the company bad strategy

HD2 sales
khaeid said:
Any one has an idea of how many units are sold around the world? and may be IPhones selling too.
i like to see if the selling after one year of release would drive software development to work for it, or will it just die like other good HTC units thanks to the company bad strategy
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You could send an email to HTC and ask, I do not think it is something they would need to keep a secret. They may even be proud of the number sold, as there are probably more HTC touch phones than iphones sold.

malex1 said:
You could send an email to HTC and ask, I do not think it is something they would need to keep a secret. They may even be proud of the number sold, as there are probably more HTC touch phones than iphones sold.
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it would be great if this is the situation, will search around with HTC

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You could send an email to HTC and ask, I do not think it is something they would need to keep a secret. They may even be proud of the number sold, as there are probably more HTC touch phones than iphones sold.
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lol, i really doubt that, i just read that Apple has sold 9 million in the the 2Q of this year alone.
This has caused their net income to jump 90 percent and their stocks are siring in leaps and bounds.
I bought a 3GS and a HD2 last week to compares them, i personally prefer the HD2, but the T mobile one i got sucks, i need to flash it and unlock it.

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lol, i really doubt that, i just read that Apple has sold 9 million in the the 2Q of this year alone.
This has caused their net income to jump 90 percent and their stocks are siring in leaps and bounds.
I bought a 3GS and a HD2 last week to compares them, i personally prefer the HD2, but the T mobile one i got sucks, i need to flash it and unlock it.
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Please do share us with your personal results on this matter

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If you compares the net incomes of HTC and Apple, you could possibly get some kind of estimation as to the (very) rough volume of phone sales HTC have made.
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The i phones touch software i believe is more refined, but the HTC's larger screen i believe makes up for this, i am running 1.42, perhaps in later updates there has been some change.
Regardless, i believe the touch systems are about equal.
The iphone was pumping more volume through my mini max 2 speaker than the hd2 even with sound booster, however the wow srs hd, made the hd2 surpass the iphone in customisability and quality of sound.
I have decided i just don't like apples style that much, it's not any one thing about the product, it's a good product, it's just not my taste.
The HD2 is my taste and it's on par if not better then the iphone.
Considering on par performance, i can make the choice purely on taste.
I think macs reign is going to come to an end in 2011 with windows mobile 7 and the massive range of products that will support it at prices that could likely be lower then than the i phones.

randommann said:
If you compares the net incomes of HTC and Apple, you could possibly get some kind of estimation as to the (very) rough volume of phone sales HTC have made.
The i phones touch software i believe is more refined, but the HTC's larger screen i believe makes up for this, i am running 1.42, perhaps in later updates there has been some change.
Regardless, i believe the touch systems are about equal.
The iphone was pumping more volume through my mini max 2 speaker than the hd2 even with sound booster, however the wow srs hd, made the hd2 surpass the iphone in customisability and quality of sound.
I have decided i just don't like apples style that much, it's not any one thing about the product, it's a good product, it's just not my taste.
The HD2 is my taste and it's on par if not better then the iphone.
Considering on par performance, i can make the choice purely on taste.
I think macs reign is going to come to an end in 2011 with windows mobile 7 and the massive range of products that will support it at prices that could likely be lower then than the i phones.
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Let's just hope HTC won't kill HD2 with it's everlasting strategy of releasing new products every few months causing old ones to die silently

khaeid said:
Let's just hope HTC won't kill HD2 with it's everlasting strategy of releasing new products every few months causing old ones to die silently
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Truth be told i think the HD2 will die when windows 7 is released.
Easy solution is to just sell it and buy a HD3 or whatever else may be available around that time.
As see the HD2 as just being HTC's little experiment, something to bridge the gap between wm7's arrival.
I wouldn't mind seeing and android version released though.
I'll be happy with a HD2 on wm6.5 till the end of the year in any case.
Edit: Please help me in this thread, i have one simple question:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6261832#post6261832

randommann said:
Truth be told i think the HD2 will die when windows 7 is released.
Easy solution is to just sell it and buy a HD3 or whatever else may be available around that time.
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Well, that's not really a solution. WM7 and WM6.5/6.5.X are in no way comparable! WM7 is a disaster (as far as I can tell by now) and there's no way I'll switch to WM7!

I Dont' see why there is a hype for wp7, to me it looks horrible i don't like all the square "hubs" on the homescreen and page transition just takes too long, seeing demos on it, it feels like a cheap and poorly developed OS

malex1 said:
You could send an email to HTC and ask, I do not think it is something they would need to keep a secret. They may even be proud of the number sold, as there are probably more HTC touch phones than iphones sold.
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Well, i did ask HTC, but they responded as this is classified top secret nuclear weapons of ass destruction information

randommann said:
If you compares the net incomes of HTC and Apple, you could possibly get some kind of estimation as to the (very) rough volume of phone sales HTC have made.
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Not true. Apple makes a massive profit margin on each iphone sold; if I remember right, it sells something like 5-10% of smartphones (or phones, I forget which) and earns about 30-35% of the profits.
I wouldn't be surprised if all HTC phones put together sold more than the iPhone, but HTC definitely doesn't make as much profit.

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...nuclear weapons of ass destruction...
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Now there's a picture I'm not comfortable with