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Ok.. so i wont bore you with my mock review until the end, so that I can get some questions out first : (Im coming from a Wizard)
1) In the wizard, I was able to click on telephone numbers in MOST applications and dial straight from there. Specifically the web browser. I would search for the name of a place, the first link in google would have the address and number, I would click on the number and be dialing. Im guessing this was a PIE thing, but wanted to see what the deal was
2) The most annoying thing so far, is my inability to highlight multiple items. In my Wizard, I was able to go to the email screen and if there were 8 messages there, I could press firmly into the first message, slide my finger down to the last message and click delete. I am not able to highlight multiple items, and ive tried different pressure settings etc. Help.
3) Similar to 2.... I am unable to highlight text, atleast with my finger, for coy paste purposes
4) I am not able to get the setting where face down will mute the ringer. Ive tried Diamond Tweak, manual registery editing, nothing. Face down... the phone will ring everytime
5) When someone sends me a youtube link in an email and I click on it, it takes me to the youtube page (im on edge so, slowly) but cant get the youtube video to play. It loads the page, except the video window
6) What is the ideal screen sensitivity and pressure settings in the registry. Its the one thing that im a bit surpsied by, I know it is not a capacitive screen, but it takes some getting used to how much pressure it requires compared to an iPhone screen for example
I will write about my impressions after two more days to give myself ample time to get used to it so there is no wizard bias... :0
taimoorhusain said:
6) What is the ideal screen sensitivity and pressure settings in the registry. Its the one thing that im a bit surpsied by, I know it is not a capacitive screen, but it takes some getting used to how much pressure it requires compared to an iPhone screen for example
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This is something I'd be particularly interested in .
Even though I use currently a phone with a capacitive screen I own a Wizard too. How would you say is the difference to the Wizard respectively how would you rate the sensitivity generally?
I'm answering to what I know...
2) The most annoying thing so far, is my inability to highlight multiple items. In my Wizard, I was able to go to the email screen and if there were 8 messages there, I could press firmly into the first message, slide my finger down to the last message and click delete. I am not able to highlight multiple items, and ive tried different pressure settings etc. Help.
In the message screen go to "Menu->Select->Some" then you will be able to select a group of items.
3) Similar to 2.... I am unable to highlight text, atleast with my finger, for coy paste purposes
This works for me!
5) When someone sends me a youtube link in an email and I click on it, it takes me to the youtube page (im on edge so, slowly) but cant get the youtube video to play. It loads the page, except the video window
This is due to lack of flsh support in Opera 9.5. You can play flash videos within CorePlayer.
chiccusmaximus said:
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2) The most annoying thing so far, is my inability to highlight multiple items. In my Wizard, I was able to go to the email screen and if there were 8 messages there, I could press firmly into the first message, slide my finger down to the last message and click delete. I am not able to highlight multiple items, and ive tried different pressure settings etc. Help.
In the message screen go to "Menu->Select->Some" then you will be able to select a group of items.
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Sweet.. I can live with that. Thanks
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5) When someone sends me a youtube link in an email and I click on it, it takes me to the youtube page (im on edge so, slowly) but cant get the youtube video to play. It loads the page, except the video window
This is due to lack of flsh support in Opera 9.5. You can play flash videos within CorePlayer.
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Yikes.. ok... blindsided by this one, so whats the roadmap on it?
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This is something I'd be particularly interested in .
Even though I use currently a phone with a capacitive screen I own a Wizard too. How would you say is the difference to the Wizard respectively how would you rate the sensitivity generally?
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I had an iPhone, gave it to my wife... the iphone screen is awesome, from day one, responsiveness, finger touch etc etc. The Wizard screen was ok, the feel wasnt there, but then again it wasnt big and i wasnt doing much with my finger anyway. Compared to the Wizard, the Touch HD is better, but since you are doing so much more on the screen and with your finger, it isnt as good as it needs to be. Twice the pressure is needed from the iphone, it doesnt "feel" good under my finger, feels like i have to fight against it to scroll the TF3D scroll thing (again comparing a resisitve screen to a capacitive one). Touch wise, it is excellent, I dont have to force buttons or anything. Im mainly complaining about gestures and TF3D. Overall finger friendliness, if the iphone is an 8, then the touch HD is a 6 and the wizard is a 4.
For 4: It can be done, I've been lurking around here for days now and I recall seeing an app that covers this exact thing - I *think* it's either SKTools or the Advanced Customisation Tool - I'm about to load up on or the other shortly, so if I find out I'll be back and let oyu know (if you haven't found it already in the meantime of course!)
6 : again I've seen some mention of registry setting alteerations to adjust this - but for me, I've used the same method as I did on my diamond and my screen is VERY sensitive - enough for me anyway.
Go and fire up the screen alignment process again - this time when doing it use the stylus and hover over the cross hair then very lightly rest it on the cross hair center - applying a tiny amount more pressure until it moves (it moves with a v. small amount of pressure) - seems to set pressure from this process to some extent. Whether or not this REALLY works, or it's utter placebo I truly dont know - but mine's totally fine and that's all I did Worth a shot I guess
The TouchFLO interface might mean that finger pressure always translates as scrolling, but if you want to select anything then you have to use a fingernail or the stylus. This is how it works on my Touch (Elf) - to scroll the screen I have to use the pad of my finger. If I use a more pointed pressure then I'm selecting stuff. I quite like this system - it differentiates between sweeping gestures and detailed touches.
Try using the stylus or a fingernail to select text or multiple emails. It might work.
(If it doesn't then I'll be annoyed too!)
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For 4: It can be done, I've been lurking around here for days now and I recall seeing an app that covers this exact thing - I *think* it's either SKTools or the Advanced Customisation Tool - I'm about to load up on or the other shortly, so if I find out I'll be back and let oyu know (if you haven't found it already in the meantime of course!)
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Yeah, I tried it all Schaps advanced config, Diamond tweak, Registery edits (havent tried SKtools yet) The option is there, in DIamond Tweak and in the registry. Jsut doesnt do anything...
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6 : again I've seen some mention of registry setting alteerations to adjust this - but for me, I've used the same method as I did on my diamond and my screen is VERY sensitive - enough for me anyway.
Go and fire up the screen alignment process again - this time when doing it use the stylus and hover over the cross hair then very lightly rest it on the cross hair center - applying a tiny amount more pressure until it moves (it moves with a v. small amount of pressure) - seems to set pressure from this process to some extent. Whether or not this REALLY works, or it's utter placebo I truly dont know - but mine's totally fine and that's all I did Worth a shot I guess
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Worth a shot.. did it.. nothing changed
I too would like to know if Opera can do what the OP wants in question 1?? That is one thing I love about my Iphone as it doesn't have a cut and paste but I can just click on the number in safari.
Can Opera do this? I was also looking at Skyfire today and was wondering if it did this and also when/if it will be available soon in the UK?
The select several option for email works.. so one problem down. Also ive realized that the screen sensitivity is just something I will have to get used to.
I have installed Flash Lite 3.1 for you tube and it seems to be working fine.
More updates as I have em. Anyone know why number links arent clickable in the browser?
Good thread, clears some things up.
I wonder how the pressure thing is.
How does it compare to an Elf (my current/old device) for example?
My HD should be in the mail tomorrow, but you never know with TNT mail.
I think its one of those things... you jsut need to get used to it...
I'm very pleased with my HD2 overall, but there's one area where it comes up short in comparison to the iPhone imo: in the default zoomed out browser page view, if you click on a link (which is small, but it does briefly change colour so you know the press has registered), nothing happens - I have to zoom in (with a pinch or double press) before it will work. This is the case in both Opera and IE.
Is there by any chance a config hack to sort this? I'm new to Windows Mobile, perhaps it's a known weakness? Because the link does highlight it makes me think this is more of a software issue than a hardware one, so ought to be fixable/hackable?
Thanks,
Andy
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I'm very pleased with my HD2 overall, but there's one area where it comes up short in comparison to the iPhone imo: in the default zoomed out browser page view, if you click on a link (which is small, but it does briefly change colour so you know the press has registered), nothing happens - I have to zoom in (with a pinch or double press) before it will work. This is the case in both Opera and IE.
Is there by any chance a config hack to sort this? I'm new to Windows Mobile, perhaps it's a known weakness? Because the link does highlight it makes me think this is more of a software issue than a hardware one, so ought to be fixable/hackable?
Thanks,
Andy
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when i go to google.nl and its zoomed out, i click on the right upper side to log in/sign in, so for me this aint no issue.
Just one bump in case anybody else has any thoughts (I appreciate that this isn't an issue for the poster above, but it is for me ).
You can search the forum for a solution (it was posted dozens of times across the place). You'll need to change zoom settings to achieve what you want.
Just note that you'll lose something as well. The current behavior allows you to activate onHover events (stuff that websites do when you move your mouse over an element). With default settings you get popups/menus activated without firing the link action (an option missing in the iPhone browser).
Yes, I'm having the same problem from time to time. Sometimes I can hit tiny targets and sometimes I have to zoom right in to hit a link. I guess it's just a matter of getting used to the capacitive screen.
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when i go to google.nl and its zoomed out, i click on the right upper side to log in/sign in, so for me this aint no issue.
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Thanks, I found the registry setting (software,opera,info,az_overview_threshold), reduced it to 32 and haven't noticed any obvious side effects yet. This makes a big difference for me, especially when I set the minimum font size to medium in the menu settings.
Hi, have the 1.48 rom installed and when using Opera 9.7, pinching to zoom seems to move the page to a random place (hope that makes sense).
For example, when trying to zoom into the pages 1,2,3 of a forum so that I can select the next page, I zoom in but end up looking at a different part of the page. I've tried changing the way I pinch, i.e. up and down, rather than diaganally, but to no avail. Not sure if anyone here has the same problem, or whether its just when viewing xda pages?
Thanks.
It's because the page is reformatted to fit the screen width, after you've zoomed in. So you are actually looking at where you zoomed into, but the content is now in a different place. If you notice, it works perfectly on images (images opened directly, not within a web page) but appears to jump when you zoom on text.
Hope that makes sense.
Yes, it's not a bug, it's because of Opera's text reflow feature. The page will always jump to the left when you zooom in/out if there's text (yeah that sucks!).
But there's actually a pinch-zoom bug on the HD2 related to the native winmo apps (File Explorer, etc..). The fuction suddenly disappears after a while and is only brought back by a soft reset : http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2009/12/26/6-bugs-that-htc-has-to-fix-on-the-hd2/
Thanks for the quick replies guys.
Thought it was me and my sausage fingers
Just what the title says. cant find any tweak in google...
borgqueenx said:
Just what the title says. cant find any tweak in google...
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Try checking the settings...
Nagrom Nniuq said:
Try checking the settings...
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i have heard on youtube reviews it is not possible...thats why i am wondering.
the iphone browsing experience is great, and is full screen.
On the Leo it is not full screen, even when you zoom out.
what about ticking auto full screen in the settings menu?
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Just what the title says. cant find any tweak in google...
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I'm a little confused by this. Do you mean Opera 10? I only ask because the default Opera (9.7) that comes installed on the device is always in full screen, except when you use the menus.
same for opera 10.. always in fullscreen except when using the menus
maby i said it wrong...with fullscreen i ment viewing the whole page. only able to scroll down, not sideways.
Opera always goes to fullscreen mode automatically.
And actually it goes to REAL fullscreen, not like on the iPhone where you still have that bar on the bottom taking away screen real estate (that's already very limited on the iPhone anyway, with that low resolution and smaller screen).
Don't know where you found that information that Opera would not do this, but it's wrong.
You can turn that off in the settings, however.
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maby i said it wrong...with fullscreen i ment viewing the whole page. only able to scroll down, not sideways
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Ah yes, now I understand what you mean. Yes, you can do that also, by setting the "virtual screen width" higher.
if it still wont work, type about:config in your browser
and then go to user prefs and see if there are some options permanently activatet wich do not allow the browser to go into fullscreen!
This is what you're searching for:
- type about:config
- click on 'adaptive zoom settings'
- set 'virtual screen width' to 1000 (or something great enough for all the pages you visit)
- click 'save' and restart Opera
Thanks for the question, I'll include this in my next ROM
I like not having to scroll sideways, but was too lazy to change it
yeah thats it! i was to lazy to get my phone to look it up^^
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This is what you're searching for:
- type about:config
- click on 'adaptive zoom settings'
- set 'virtual screen width' to 1000 (or something great enough for all the pages you visit)
- click 'save' and restart Opera
Thanks for the question, I'll include this in my next ROM
I like not having to scroll sideways, but was too lazy to change it
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alrighty. thanks for the answer.
i think im gonna sell my 3Gs
Hi there,
I am the only one here really annoyed by the implementation of "Pinch To Zoom" inside Opera Mobile ?
First I thought that it was because of my chubby fat fingers but after several tests it definitely is an Opera Mobile issue :
I suppose that because of the text reflow after the pinch to zoom, the screen is never centered where I actually zoomed in but shifted at "miles away" and I have to scroll a lot to find the spot where I actually pinched to zoom in
This is worse and worse as you try to zoom in a lot on a small area, typically in XDA forums if trying to zoom in a lot on the tiny page links at the bottom right of the page " First < 1 2 3 ... Last >" to display them big enough to easily click them with the finger or thumb, I have to pinch to zoom, then scroll a lot to recenter them, then pinch to zoom again, then scroll again to center again, to finally be able to click the link !
I think that Opera Mobile should keep the screen centered on the spot where the pinch to zoom was executed !
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Hi there,
I am the only one here really annoyed by the implementation of "Pinch To Zoom" inside Opera Mobile ?
First I thought that it was because of my chubby fat fingers but after several tests it definitely is an Opera Mobile issue :
I suppose that because of the text reflow after the pinch to zoom, the screen is never centered where I actually zoomed in but shifted at "miles away" and I have to scroll a lot to find the spot where I actually pinched to zoom in
This is worse and worse as you try to zoom in a lot on a small area, typically in XDA forums if trying to zoom in a lot on the tiny page links at the bottom right of the page " First < 1 2 3 ... Last >" to display them big enough to easily click them with the finger or thumb, I have to pinch to zoom, then scroll a lot to recenter them, then pinch to zoom again, then scroll again to center again, to finally be able to click the link !
I think that Opera Mobile should keep the screen centered on the spot where the pinch to zoom was executed !
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It is possible but awkward like you say. I find that if you put your thumb at the bottom of the screen and move up with you index finger (so move only one finger) it recentres better than moving both fingers.
I also get huge fonts (set on "Small") eg http://m.google.com/calendar
sometimes text do not reflow to fit screen.
sometimes clicking on links don't work, no response, BUT zoomin/out works.
weird shtuff
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I find that if you put your thumb at the bottom of the screen and move up with you index finger (so move only one finger) it recentres better than moving both fingers.
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I only partially agree
I also noticed that if you do it this way it would center a little bit better as you somewhat keep the screen anchored with your thumb and because you remove the risk of inadvertently scroll a little the text while pinch to zooming or when you remove your fingers off the screen.
Yet if you zoom a lot as for clicking on the damned "< 1 2 3 ... Last>" links it definitely s*cks ! You can see that the text is ok before opera re-render and reflow the text then the text run away
I certainly wouldn't call this a major problem, all it takes is scrolling a little after zooming in, and it's definitely much better than having no reflow - I tried Safari on my wife's iPhone, and it's much more painful.
I agree ...
- it's definitely better than no reflow or no pinch to zoom at all
- it's probably better than iPhone (never gone to the dark side of the force )
but
- if would be definitely better if Opera remembered the position of the center spot of pinch to zoom and then recenter itself there
For most of the links as a word or a sentence underlined or an image link it is OK ... but for the really small links as the <1 2 3 ... Last> ones below it just a pain (maybe you have less chubby fat fingers than me )
Just sticking my oar in, but from an experienced developer's point of view, what you are asking for is a COMPLETE nightmare to develop!
You're actually saying that you want Opera to remember what text is at the centre point of your pinch-to-zoom action, and then find it, after text re-flow, and center it on the page again.
This is ridiculously difficult.
Open an image in Opera and you'll see that it does actually center on where you pinch, but that's obviously because there's no text re-flow in the case of an image. (Incidentally, I mean an image, and not a page with an image on it. The URL should end with an image extension, such as .jpg, .png etc..)
I'm not saying you're all wingers or anything like that, as I too would love this to work in the way you all say you want. I'm just adding a bit of perspective.
I agree it is difficult ... yet not more that rendering the web pages or doing the text reflow itself ! Don't get me wrong, I respect the great job done by opera software ... yet they can do better
Opera is a browser coded from scratch, all the rendering is under opera software developers control. It is not like they are using some memo or third party component to do the reflow and have no control over how it draws itself. They render all the code word by word, letter by letter, pixel by pixel, where they decide to render it. So I suppose they can tag a word or link that will be the center, then do the text reflow, then center back at the right place.
Yet I would also appreciate a simple workaround : a timeout of 1 or 2 seconds to wait after pinch to zoom before the text reflow is done. This way I can zoom my link and click it before it runs away
I usually just double tap because of this. It still works best.
I am 100% in agreement with you. I just bought my wife a iPhone 3gs and I love using safari. I think its a great browser because its very smooth and easy to use. The pinch to zoom feature is very nice I can zoom exactly where I need to go with very little effort. I just received my HD2 Telstra yesterday and have to say that Opera is really bad and not as responsive. I have spent the last couple of hours trying to find a safari like browser with no luck. Lets hope that with wm7 IE gets a little closer to Apples implementation of a browser.
Lord.Nibbler said:
Hi there,
I am the only one here really annoyed by the implementation of "Pinch To Zoom" inside Opera Mobile ?
First I thought that it was because of my chubby fat fingers but after several tests it definitely is an Opera Mobile issue :
I suppose that because of the text reflow after the pinch to zoom, the screen is never centered where I actually zoomed in but shifted at "miles away" and I have to scroll a lot to find the spot where I actually pinched to zoom in
This is worse and worse as you try to zoom in a lot on a small area, typically in XDA forums if trying to zoom in a lot on the tiny page links at the bottom right of the page " First < 1 2 3 ... Last >" to display them big enough to easily click them with the finger or thumb, I have to pinch to zoom, then scroll a lot to recenter them, then pinch to zoom again, then scroll again to center again, to finally be able to click the link !
I think that Opera Mobile should keep the screen centered on the spot where the pinch to zoom was executed !
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Hi, might I suggest you give opera 10 beta a try , it does not have pinch and zoom which would be good for you also it does have other useful enhancements you might also like.
http://www.opera.com/mobile/
I use double tapping as well so I'm not that bothered with that.
What bothers me more thou is when I click on the link and then go back to the same page it never goes back to the same part of a website. Its soooooo annoying.
Lord.Nibbler said:
Hi there,
I am the only one here really annoyed by the implementation of "Pinch To Zoom" inside Opera Mobile ?
First I thought that it was because of my chubby fat fingers but after several tests it definitely is an Opera Mobile issue :
I suppose that because of the text reflow after the pinch to zoom, the screen is never centered where I actually zoomed in but shifted at "miles away" and I have to scroll a lot to find the spot where I actually pinched to zoom in
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This annoys the hell out of me, as well - as you say, it's particularly annoying when trying to zoom in on a very small link (like the page numbers of a thread on this forum, or the "jump to first unread message in this thread" link from the contents page).
To those who are advocating double-tapping "instead", that works fine for reading text, but it doesn't zoom in nearly far enough to allow you to click on a very small link. If you could double-tap several times to zoom in successive levels, that would be fine, but you can't - the second double-tap zooms out again. (Any way to change this?)
I downloaded office 2010 mobile and I believe IE was included or I just didn't see it before (New rom and New device HD2). I ran IE and what an improvement microsoft has made. The rendering using the zoom bar seems as nice as safari. The biggest issue again is pinch to zoom. My HD2 rocks but without pinch to zoom browser it pretty much makes it a pain.
Shasarak said:
This annoys the hell out of me, as well - as you say, it's particularly annoying when trying to zoom in on a very small link (like the page numbers of a thread on this forum, or the "jump to first unread message in this thread" link from the contents page).
To those who are advocating double-tapping "instead", that works fine for reading text, but it doesn't zoom in nearly far enough to allow you to click on a very small link. If you could double-tap several times to zoom in successive levels, that would be fine, but you can't - the second double-tap zooms out again. (Any way to change this?)
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is it possible to disable text re-flow?
ok so this is about the only major bug i have with opera ...you tap to zoom and it flys off and zooms in where you were not looking !!! and if you're zoomed in under the double tap and then try to pinch zoom a bit more to click the tiny "1,2,3...last" on forum links it will fly off again....im forever having to try and find where i was on a page ...soooooooooooo annoying !
how do we fix this ??
how about this for annoying....i am reading a post and the screen locks. i unlock and the browser jumps to the top agsin!
try iris 1.1.9 web browser.. its like safari with webkits support except it was bought by RIM blackberry before it even finetune itself ...non the less it works
I also hope this issue gets resolved. Pinch to zoom doesn't center where I actually zoom in.