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I used to work with WM 5 & 6 phones, had plenty of them and enjoyed them all until I discovered the HTC Magic. What a giant leap forward!! Especially when using Google Apps as we do. I am however a bit reluctant to root the magic as it doesn’t seem like a walk in the park. I really miss being able to backup SMS messages and all the other apps that only run on rooted devices.
So my question is if the HERO is a rooted device or not.
Does anybody have an answer to this question? I’m so tempted to preorder one
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Can you even buy 'rooted' phones? I believed the DevPhone One was the only one and it isn't really generally available.
rooting your phone is something you do, buy using a bug or exploit in the ROM I believe. So if this will be possible on the Hero, only time will tell.
(Android noob myself, more a Linux and WinMo god , so correct me if I'm wrong).
simple ? do u guys think htc will also update htc magic/rogers 32a with 2.0 like the hero? im pretty sure they will but i want to know if the xda community thinks that as well.
Yeah i like to know too. would be cool to have a Eclair Magic
well, it seems like rogers doesn't give a cr*p about it's customers (i.e.,still no donut 1.6 yet...still not paid apps), so I wouldn't hold your breath for eclair or sense UI... maybe 6 months after everyone else gets it.
porky1981 said:
well, it seems like rogers doesn't give a cr*p about it's customers (i.e.,still no donut 1.6 yet...still not paid apps), so I wouldn't hold your breath for eclair or sense UI... maybe 6 months after everyone else gets it.
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The Canadian carriers are bottom feeding scum. They provide horrible levels of service at the highest rates, while making huge profits.
As a long time Rogers customer I doubt you will ever see a 2.0 update from Rogers. 6 months to 1 year after the rest of the world they will roll out a 2.0 phone and offer it as a sign your life away for another 3 years upgrade.
Root and enjoy the freedom to load and run what you want.
Rogers blows
Yeah ... I wouldn't put money on Rogers coming up with a 2.0 release any time soon.
I sent them a formal complaint about the half-assed state of their android OS (on Dream) ... all I got back was a long email full of fluff and BS. About twice the length of my complaint with absolutely no content. There wasn't a single answer to any of my questions, just the usual "valued customer" BS.
Canadian carriers are truely scum. Let's hope with Bell and Telus going GSM, this'll create some competition and things get better ... though I think it'll just turn into a group Monopoly where they all get together and find the best way to gouge the customers.
ok what about finding an official google branded rom and installing it on a 32A Magic
It not only in Canada =/
In Denmark the HTC Magic (32a) is not affected by the carriers, so its up to HTC to release ROM updates, but they never do...
Havent seen 1.6, no official HTC Sense on the way and I wont even wait for android 2.0.....
People can always say "go root and install some custom ROM". Well yeah its nice, but it will never be like having the stock ROMs =/
I have to disagree on this one.
Rooting your phone is ultimately better than having the Rogers-provided stock ROM for a number of reasons like:
- One-touch FULL backup and full RESTORE of your whole phone;
- Wireless tethering;
- Ability to go on the Market and purchase apps as required;
- App2SD and swapping capability, etc.
OK well i might be buying a 32A Magic, but i was wondering if original google ROM with OTA updates can be used on the 32A
Root account
Does unlocking root account voids the warranty?
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I have to disagree on this one.
Rooting your phone is ultimately better than having the Rogers-provided stock ROM for a number of reasons like:
- One-touch FULL backup and full RESTORE of your whole phone;
- Wireless tethering;
- Ability to go on the Market and purchase apps as required;
- App2SD and swapping capability, etc.
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Well yea, compared to a branded phone.
But as he said: In Denmark HTC phones are not branded, no sim-lock no nothing. Meaning the phones haven't been altered at all.
And I would rather have a rom especially built for a certain device, than a cooked version designed for a completely different one.
Just like Sense before there was an official HTC release.
Sure it was fast and most things work, however some things just could'nt be fixed properly.
Regarding wireless tether.
Would'nt it be possible to develop a program not needing root access?
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Regarding wireless tether.
Would'nt it be possible to develop a program not needing root access?
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Not easily. Android is built on top of a customized Linux and the underlying permissions and rights are pretty fundamental to the OS. You could open everything up to allow non root users the access they need but I bet that "bad things" (highly technical term for difficult to debug file system changes, corruption, etc... would happen as some other poorly written program could then trash the OS. Plus you would have to deal with how the Dalvik machine sitting on top would complicate things. Perhaps once it is opened up to allow running user applications in C it might be simpler, though they are still going to be running virtual.
Much, much simpler to use SuperUser Permissions and explicitly grant access rights to specific programs.
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Not easily. Android is built on top of a customized Linux and the underlying permissions and rights are pretty fundamental to the OS. You could open everything up to allow non root users the access they need but I bet that "bad things" (highly technical term for difficult to debug file system changes, corruption, etc... would happen as some other poorly written program could then trash the OS. Plus you would have to deal with how the Dalvik machine sitting on top would complicate things. Perhaps once it is opened up to allow running user applications in C it might be simpler, though they are still going to be running virtual.
Much, much simpler to use SuperUser Permissions and explicitly grant access rights to specific programs.
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Correct. Also, the wireless tether program that everyone uses is essentially just a gui for executing the necessary iptables commands to handle the routing/nat stuff. Iptables has been in existence for like 10 years now. That's way more than you can say for products like PDANet.
One of the things that makes Linux more secure than other OS's is that it inherently has user separation built in. The advantages that are gained from this far outweigh the minor inconveniences.
I checked a few days ago and the source hadn't been released yet.
Apparently someone here has ripped the 2.0 from a Moto Droid and put it on a G1 (Dream), but according to the same article it's not issue-free yet.
I'm sure Cyanogen would be on it as soon as the source is released
Sense UI on Magic
Came across this:
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Came across this:
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Old news. I hasn't made it to Canada. I read somewhere that HTC may be releasing it to Rogers around Christmas.
porky1981 said:
well, it seems like rogers doesn't give a cr*p about it's customers (i.e.,still no donut 1.6 yet...still not paid apps), so I wouldn't hold your breath for eclair or sense UI... maybe 6 months after everyone else gets it.
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Actually the reason why Canada (Bell, Telus, Rogers) still don't have paid apps on their Android devices is because the Carriers want a piece of the action. They watch Apple rack in a TON of cash and now they want a cut of the profits.
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Regarding wireless tether.
Would'nt it be possible to develop a program not needing root access?
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No wireless tether requires root access, there is not way to tether without it. It plays around with some settings in the phone that only root access will give you.
tozes said:
Does unlocking root account voids the warranty?
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It does, but you can always unroot if you need warranty service.
how can you make a update that cant be put on the first android phone (that all the devs have)..devs couldnt test their roms..so they should come out with a 2.0 rom for dream and magic...soon after the droid release
or they could do it the smart business way and use 2.0 as a marketing tool for the droid and release the source after the hubbub has died down. wait, thats what they ARE doing.
remember that these people are in BUSINESS. money talks.
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how can you make a update that cant be put on the first android phone (that all the devs have)..devs couldnt test their roms..so they should come out with a 2.0 rom for dream and magic...soon after the droid release
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Um...what?
You realize that Google, HTC and T-mobile don't give a **** about ROM devs, right? They don't, and they have no reason to. They only care about selling phones...
It's due to size limitations, cupcake and donut only just fit in the G1's ROM (internal memory/NAND). Here's a full explanation. The Magic doesn't come in to it. It has 512mb ROM, but the G1 only has 256mb.
Please understand that this is about *physical* limitations, it's not because the G1 is "old", the ROM just isn't big enough.
the 20$ developer fee and 30% of every sale on the market go to someone....
granted its nothing big enough to make companies like google drool yet, but from what i can tell, its only increseing....
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Um...what?
You realize that Google, HTC and T-mobile don't give a **** about ROM devs, right? They don't, and they have no reason to. They only care about selling phones...
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This may be true, but they care very much about application developers. Without them the product is not going anywhere. Google will very likely either make a 2.0 ROM available for the G1 (maybe without all features) or release a new development phone. Of course now that the hardware market is showing traction they might decide that there is no need for a development phone any longer.
I hope a GSM Droid becomes the ADP2. I'm debating whether to buy the Droid on launch or try to wait for an ADP2 announcement.
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This may be true, but they care very much about application developers. Without them the product is not going anywhere. Google will very likely either make a 2.0 ROM available for the G1 (maybe without all features) or release a new development phone. Of course now that the hardware market is showing traction they might decide that there is no need for a development phone any longer.
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Yes, you're right, that's something I had overlooked, but isn't the ION essentially the ADP2? Someone correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't it have an engeneering SPL? My point is it has the nand space for 2.0...
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Yes, you're right, that's something I had overlooked, but isn't the ION essentially the ADP2? Someone correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't it have an engeneering SPL? My point is it has the nand space for 2.0...
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Except that it was a limited build for attendees of some event and it is NOT available for general developer consumption....
When the G1 came out it was the only Android powered device so modding it worked for everybody. And it was just one brand, HTC, so this forum was a one stop destination for modding our phone.
However, things have changed, now there are multiple phone with incompatible hardware from different manufacturers. Now a custom rom made for the G1, won't work on a DROID for example and vise versa. This complicates things quite a bit.
Right now Cyanogen mods are the best thing for our G1 and maybe the best thing for Android as a whole. I'm used to the build in tether capability and apps to SD and compcace and the other perks of a modded rom. But if I wanted to upgrade my phone, I would lose it all.
There are no Cyanogen mod for anything other than G1 and myTouch phones as far as I know and if I were to upgrade to DROID, I would lose root, lose tether, lose apps to SD, lose everything about my phone that makes it my phone.
Everything I wrote may not be facts, I don't really know what goes on at other forums, but I know that we don't have roms build to run on the DROID and we don't have them built to run on the HERO hardware, it's all for G1 and myTouch, and it seems to me that if I don't ha.ve on of those phones, I lose everything.
I do understand that this forum is for HTC devices which DROID and a few other's are not which is why I don't see homebrew for them. Is there a another website similar to this that supports all Android hardware?
These are thoughts that have been running through my head lately. If I am totally wrong here, please let me know.
I would say check out websites such as androidcommunity.com, androidandme.com, phandroid.com. The developers might not be on there but you can probably find links to where there are custom roms for the phones.
And you are right about different phones having different development oppurtunities. I thought about this today and realized that the next android phone I get not only has to be what I want but also be a popular phone that will attract developers such as cyan, maxisma, jac, manup and everyone else. My best guess and hope is that it will be a snapdragon android handset, hopefully for T-Mobile USA.
What we'll end up having to do is pick our phones based on it's community support and what kind of home brew is available for it.
The reason I love the G1 is the fact that it's rooted and has a large community. This phone is the best on the market, all things considered, because the rooted OS allows so much.
If and when the Droid is rooted, when a GSM version is released, and when it has T-Mo's 3G bands, I will move to it. But all those may not happen for another year or more. If you haven't played with a Droid yet, do so. Incredible speed and the best screen I have ever seen on a phone. Till then, G1 all the way.
The man is right, we have a problem on the dev side.
I think though, once 2.0 gets standard, we'll only need root for a few things like tethering and setting the CPU clock. Really cyanogen's only advantage is optimization, but once 2.0 and snapdragon rolls around, who cares? We'll always want to tinker, but it won't eclipse getting the phone you want.
The big problems right now are that the market isn't getting what it needs. Nothing compares to the HTC widgets, yet instead of cloning them on the market, we try and run a ROM that doesn't even work on our phones! We still don't have BT in Hero and it may just never happen.
2.0 will be what we need as a base, but the market needs our help now.
I'd contest the cyanogen are the best rom's.. maybe for someoen who wants to flash an upgrade every 3 days.. but for the majority of users.. Dwang is the way to go. Lengthy discussion about this, is over here..
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I'd contest the cyanogen are the best rom's.. maybe for someoen who wants to flash an upgrade every 3 days.. but for the majority of users.. Dwang is the way to go. Lengthy discussion about this, is over here..
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Thanks but this thread is not about who has the best rom.
The point is, when you get a new Android phone, your rom of choice won't be available for it. So what do you do?
alec.baldwin said:
I'd contest the cyanogen are the best rom's.. maybe for someoen who wants to flash an upgrade every 3 days.. but for the majority of users.. Dwang is the way to go. Lengthy discussion about this, is over here..
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I think we all get it already, YOU are dwang's biggest fan
But, to stay on topic. My G1 is the first HTC device I've ever owned and I've only discovered XDA since I've had it, and I think that because of the community involvement here and the custom roms that have come out, I will definitely lean towards another HTC phone when I look for my next upgrade, and it will definately be an android phone.
Also another thing to look at is the availability of the phones that are out to actual dev's. Unless people are donating phones, I doubt everyone can just run out and pick up all the latest devices, and network restrictions/preferences that come along with them.
I think the easiest solution is as follows:
1. Find the dev you like best.
2. Find the phone you like best.
3. Buy phone you like best.
4. Buy/Create a donate link to get said dev the same phone.
Assuming said dev doesnt turn around and craigslist the phone you bought him/her, you have (hopefully) ensured said dev will migrate and develop on your favorite hardware.
Not the best solution but probably the most reliable.
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I'd contest the cyanogen are the best rom's.. maybe for someoen who wants to flash an upgrade every 3 days.. but for the majority of users.. Dwang is the way to go. Lengthy discussion about this, is over here..
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Seriously dude, are you going to diss me in every thread? What do you even contribute to this community? I've not received any patches or even logs of the "problems" you claim.
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Seriously dude, are you going to diss me in every thread? What do you even contribute to this community? I've not received any patches or even logs of the "problems" you claim.
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For real.
Alec, you're like the little annoying brother that no one wants to be around.
Grow up, let your balls drop, and enjoy your phone, your life, and whatever rom you want.
But, you don't have to go around dissing well-respected devs.
The Droid hasn't been out long enough for a community to gather around it. Many of the Android big names are waiting to get GSM versions before tinkering.
Also, remember that the HTC Dream was in circulation well before it launched last year. The Android development phone is identical to the Dream, with the only difference being some swish art on the back cover. The hardware and software were free-flowing long before it landed in our hands. In contrast, the Droid was a much more secretive launch; we've only just got Eclair source code, and the SDK was kept under wraps by a non-disclosure agreement (probably to conceal the nuclear bomb that is Google Maps Navigation).
I find the cracking of the Droid to be inevitable. The poor thing is going to be broken just as much as our Dreams were. Just give it time.
As for ROMs being available over a span of phones, I'm not sure that's even a good idea. Android variants like XROM, cyanogenmod, The Dude's ROM, yadda yadda... they're all about maximising the capabilities of the Dream. Not the Droid, the Dream. Adding in features that the hardware can support, changing CPU frequencies, Apps2SD, all that jazz. Droid ROMs will be built around adding in core features, like Apps2SD, and whatever else the Droid has tucked away. Likewise, speed optimisations may not be portable between phones, as what gives the Dream a boost may hinder the Droid.
For me, features of a ROM are not the best part of homebrew Android builds. The best part is being able to upgrade your phone outside of the carrier's say-so. If T-mobile have no plans to push Eclair to Dreams, I will install it myself. I am not tied down by the say-so of a room full of suits three thousand miles away. If T-mobile don't include an app that I like, such as the IM app or the Amazon MP3 store (which T-mobile UK don't), I can get ROMs with them myself. If a carrier would rather I didn't tether without paying for my bandwidth twice, I can do it anyway, so long as I'm not an idiot.
You may have guessed that I have a very dim view of cell carriers.
With root, we are free to do as we like. This is the real killer feature of homebrew, and the Droid will benefit from it too.
Anyway...
dwang said:
I want to acknowledge cyanogen, daproy, cyrowski, loccy, and alla for their contributions to the android community.
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It seems dwang himself has a much higher opinion of the man than a certain other someone.
AthlonBoy said:
The Droid hasn't been out long enough for a community to gather around it. Many of the Android big names are waiting to get GSM versions before tinkering.
Also, remember that the HTC Dream was in circulation well before it launched last year. The Android development phone is identical to the Dream, with the only difference being some swish art on the back cover. The hardware and software were free-flowing long before it landed in our hands. In contrast, the Droid was a much more secretive launch; we've only just got Eclair source code, and the SDK was kept under wraps by a non-disclosure agreement (probably to conceal the nuclear bomb that is Google Maps Navigation).
I find the cracking of the Droid to be inevitable. The poor thing is going to be broken just as much as our Dreams were. Just give it time.
As for ROMs being available over a span of phones, I'm not sure that's even a good idea. Android variants like XROM, cyanogenmod, The Dude's ROM, yadda yadda... they're all about maximising the capabilities of the Dream. Not the Droid, the Dream. Adding in features that the hardware can support, changing CPU frequencies, Apps2SD, all that jazz. Droid ROMs will be built around adding in core features, like Apps2SD, and whatever else the Droid has tucked away. Likewise, speed optimisations may not be portable between phones, as what gives the Dream a boost may hinder the Droid.
For me, features of a ROM are not the best part of homebrew Android builds. The best part is being able to upgrade your phone outside of the carrier's say-so. If T-mobile have no plans to push Eclair to Dreams, I will install it myself. I am not tied down by the say-so of a room full of suits three thousand miles away. If T-mobile don't include an app that I like, such as the IM app or the Amazon MP3 store (which T-mobile UK don't), I can get ROMs with them myself. If a carrier would rather I didn't tether without paying for my bandwidth twice, I can do it anyway, so long as I'm not an idiot.
You may have guessed that I have a very dim view of cell carriers.
With root, we are free to do as we like. This is the real killer feature of homebrew, and the Droid will benefit from it too.
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It seems dwang himself has a much higher opinion of the man than a certain other someone.
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You seem to have almost got my point but not quite. Of coarse DOID doesn't need Cyanogen MOD specifically. But would you buy an Android phone if there weren't a mod that lets it do the things that we are used to and have only become available by modding? Apps to SD, tethering, themeing?
Sure DROID might get all these things though a custom rom but we won't see it on this website. The problem is that things will get too spread out and hard to find with all these new hardware options.
What would be nice is a rom that works on nearly every Android device that just adds root access to the phone and some basic universal packages like A2SD and tethering etc. That way you can buy any Android device you want and still have these basic privileges.
Do you think something like that would be possible?
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You seem to have almost got my point but not quite. Of coarse DOID doesn't need Cyanogen MOD specifically. But would you buy an Android phone if there weren't a mod that lets it do the things that we are used to and have only become available by modding? Apps to SD, tethering, themeing?
Sure DROID might get all these things though a custom rom but we won't see it on this website. The problem is that things will get too spread out and hard to find with all these new hardware options.
What would be nice is a rom that works on nearly every Android device that just adds root access to the phone and some basic universal packages like A2SD and tethering etc. That way you can buy any Android device you want and still have these basic privileges.
Do you think something like that would be possible?
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Beats me, man. I'm not a developer. But I think it's unlikely.
For the DROID (and other/future android phones) is Apps2SD really necessary? The only reason why we need it on our phones is because of the pathetic amount of internal space the G1 has, the same goes for Swap Partitions etc.
As long as people buy the phone there is always going to be someone who is smart enough to work on rooting it IMO. And even without root what do you really lose? The only things I think I would really miss are Wireless Tether and Bluetooth File Transfer (Which I THINK is in 2.0 anyway).
I'm not buying a new phone until it's rooted and Cyanogen has it too.
My biggest requirement for any android phone..and any cell phone in general is the keyboard. I bought the G1 because of the keyboard and lucked out with the high number of developers available for it. I didn't find this place for several months during the time when the grandfather of the G1 mod program was still active =) JF!. I enjoyed all the modding and updating because I personally feel that the phone is, well mine. And I should be able to do what ever I want with it. I had picked up the V3C Razer because it could play MP3's. I get it home and then discover that the Verizon Nazi's completely locked down that feature so you where forced to use their service at an additional cost. Of course the motorola dev/repair/store software allowed us to get in a enable the various features that Verizon required to be locked. I also love the Aps2sd. No matter what phone you have, the internal memory will never be enough. And with the Cliq supporting 32gig sd cards, a full keyboard, and NOT verizon was enough for me. I'm patient and confident it will be rooted eventually. If not, I still have my G1 and I still do Cyanogen updates and play around with it. And when my contract is up with Tmob(renewed for the Cliq), I'll see who has the next most popular rooted phone with a keyboard and switch over. I just really hate people telling me how to use a device I own. Its like going to McDonalds and having them dictate what condiments to put on my BigMac and Fries, and then telling me I can only eat it a certain way and which hand to use. If Cyanogen was down with the Cliq, or interested in it. I may be willing to ship him my phone to see what he can come up with.
As far as a universal O/S for all phones, isn't that just the core Android software with specific drivers provided by each manufacturer and custom UI? There should be a way to make 1 O/S for all android phones, then have update packs with the drivers and UI enhancements and add-ons for each android phone released? Not sure of the SPL locks though. Thats a bit beyond me. But i wouldn't think it would be to hard to run Cyanogen on the Cliq or droid provided the correct drivers and such where bundled with it. Kind of like slipstreaming a service pack into a bootleg Windows OS . Each phone eventually has to release the source code which contains the drivers for that phone. Thats how we get the Cliq's OS onto the G1, should work the other way around too. Sounds easy, but Cyanogen's Rom should run on my Cliq, provided the drivers are slipstreamed into it for the Cliq...right? Only problem is root.. :/ hehehe
and there he flames again...alec.baldwin, no one has the problems you have with cyanogen's latest. actually, lets delve into this...what exactly are your "problems" with 4.2.5? PLEASE, answer this question so cyanogen can dutifully fix the "problems" you are having.
You might check out some of the Q/A threads to first learn how to properly flash cyanogen's ROM. It is slightly different than Dwang's because Cyanogen uses the legal method. In fact, check out www.cyanogenmod.com and you might find a ton of useful info on getting cm to work on your phone.
Best of Luck,
njuncos
P.S. Cyanogen, mad props on once again reaching over a million thread views on your latest. Now you own 3 of the top 4 most viewed threads of all time in Dream Android Development!
Let me start by saying I'm fairly new to Android, and that this probably should go in a general Android forum, but since I'm a Fascinate user, this seems appropriate to me. I've searched, but haven't found a real explanation, and I'm not one to take things as fact without a reasonable explanation.
So it seems like everyone is waiting for an official 2.2 release for the Fascinate, flashing 2.1 ROMs but not capable of upgrading to 2.2+; but I'm wondering why we can't just compile our own OS for our phones? Android is a Linux-like OS, and I know Linux users would never stay on an old version if a newer (better?) version was available. I'm talking down-and-dirty tweak-every-option-by-hand Slackware here. Is the source available for download? If so, why can't we do something with it? Is something in the phone completely locked and unhackable? Is it the fear of having a $500 paperweight? Is it difficult to regain Verizon network connectivity?
Again, forgive the noob question, and thanks in advance for any help you can give me!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=792986
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=883004
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=882946
There is currently work being done by jt, birdman, and the other skew of developers trying to develop a working AOSP version of 2.2/2.3. The biggest struggle that they have encountered was the RIL (Radio Interface Layer) binaries. Samsung produced some bogus complex proprietary binaries with no properly working source code. Because this phone is CDMA and not GSM, we can't simply use galaxy s files.
Anyways, the point is that there is work being done to bring it to our phone. They have a working AOSP 2.1 that is currently in alpha stage. Jt basically built his own RIL for this phone to get it working.
If this RIL works, we may end up with 2.3 sooner than later.
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Let me start by saying I'm fairly new to Android, and that this probably should go in a general Android forum, but since I'm a Fascinate user, this seems appropriate to me. I've searched, but haven't found a real explanation, and I'm not one to take things as fact without a reasonable explanation.
So it seems like everyone is waiting for an official 2.2 release for the Fascinate, flashing 2.1 ROMs but not capable of upgrading to 2.2+; but I'm wondering why we can't just compile our own OS for our phones? Android is a Linux-like OS, and I know Linux users would never stay on an old version if a newer (better?) version was available. I'm talking down-and-dirty tweak-every-option-by-hand Slackware here. Is the source available for download? If so, why can't we do something with it? Is something in the phone completely locked and unhackable? Is it the fear of having a $500 paperweight? Is it difficult to regain Verizon network connectivity?
Again, forgive the noob question, and thanks in advance for any help you can give me!
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You obviously have not searched hard enough, as this has been discussed in many places. I would suggest you start by searching this forum (edit: or seeing the links and posts above).
I will say, however, that recent achievements by (edit: the developers mentioned above) have made your suggestion quite possible. If you want to get a taste of what is to come, see the aosp alpha sticky located in the development section. The rom still has bugs, but it is a giant step forward for the Fascinate.
Sent from my Galaxy-S Fascinate
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=792986
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=883004
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^^^^^
10char
I must add/point out that the work these guys are doing could easily pave the way for Cyanogenmod- and other well-featured roms to be compiled/ported and used on Fascinate as well.
I've read the above links, but they didn't really quite answer my question. I guess I'm wondering why a Linux-based OS isn't acting/being treated like a Linux-based OS.
Let's say I go out and buy a new computer today. I want to put Linux on it. I get the machine home, download my distro of choice and make an install cd. As I'm installing, I configure the installation either for my specific hardware or I can use a generic profile if my hardware isn't listed.
Now say a new version of the Linux kernel comes out. I can upgrade without having to wait for a version for my hardware. Or if I install MyDistro v1 when I get my machine, and MyDistro v2 comes out the next day, I don't have to wait for someone to develop a version to work with my hardware.
So my question is more of a why can't we upgrade our distro like other Linux variants? Is it because there's no generic replacement for the Samsung RIL? If I were to download the source and do a generic build, or even a specific one, I wouldn't be able to install it because...?
Sorry to be a pain, but I genuinely have no clue. Again, thank you for the insight!
2.2 will boot on the I500 just nothing works. If you would like to help http://opensource.samsung.com/
The source code can be found there. Please feel free to help the development along.
I suggest you read through the reply's to your question and pay special note to those bringing up the RIL as that seems to be the biggest hurdle right now.
I think maybe the answer you are looking for is that it is possible to do it, it's just extremely difficult because Samsung's open source is very shoddy and isn't based on AOS, which is what is used for most other phones.
Since the developers don't have a build that works, they have to work from the ground up with AOS and get every last feature on the fascinate working without using Samsung's code (TouchWiz, widgets, etc).
The links they gave you explain most of it but you have to sift through the posts. There is a dev named jt (amongst others) who is working on a ROM that is upgradable based on AOSP and it looks very promising.
edit: It's also worth noting that when I say "not based on AOS" I mean that it is proprietary software used by Samsung-only phones and is not coded by Google. It still, of course, is based on Android OS. It would be akin to a ROM coded by Samsung for their phones rather than generic ROMs that could be downloaded by other phones.
Perfect, thanks!
Try thinking of it as buying an Ubuntu laptop from dell. Sure its " Ubuntu" but not stock. It so full of bloat and badly written drivers that aren't supplied openly for the user that it would be hell trying get the latest version of ubuntu to run on it.
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For clarification.... so I can wrap my brain around this. Is this situation kinda like having bought a new computer that's running an os, but has no installed device drivers and nowhere to download them from, so they have to be written by hand?
Edit: that last post came thru while I was writing this one, I think it basically answers my question...
So what the devs on here are trying to do is develop a "generic" profile that can work on our phone (as well as others?), creating a solid base to allow users to upgrade and change at-will without having to wait for official releases?
See, that's the part I'm having a hard time with. No generic profile built into the OS to use in the absence of a hardware specific one?
LoverBoyV said:
Try thinking of it as buying an Ubuntu laptop from dell. Sure its " Ubuntu" but not stock. It so full of bloat and badly written drivers that aren't supplied openly for the user that it would be hell trying get the latest version of ubuntu to run on it.
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On a sidenote, I bought a Dell netbook witih Ubuntu. Didn't waste time with Ubuntu, but I chose it because I didn't want MS to get money from a license fee. Installed Mac OS X on it the day it arrived
Ya know, I tried to do the same thing with my inspiron 1525 notebook, with snow leopard 10.6.3 since I have a spare hard drive. Spent a whole day with numerous guides, trying this n that. Got it to actually boot to the desktop once, bit as I was putting the drivers in, it went into KP and from that point on, I could never even reinstall back to the desktop again.
Well, Samsung is giving us a simple/reliable update to Froyo with unique functionality, as soon as possible.
Source: (Twitter, About 12pm 1/2/2011 from Samsungtweets via Cotweet - http://twitter.com/Samsungtweets/samsung-usa )
Samsungtweets We are working to make the Android 2.2/Froyo upgrade available to all U.S Galaxy S owners as soon as possible.
Samsungtweets We want Galaxy S owners to have simple/reliable upgrade. We r running tests due to complexity/unique functionality
EDIT: gave more specific time and source of tweets. Post is meant to be objective, without definition of ASAP for this context.
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soba49 said:
Well, Samsung is giving us a simple/reliable update to Froyo with unique functionality, as soon as possible.
Source (Twitter, 6 hours ago):
Samsungtweets We are working to make the Android 2.2/Froyo upgrade available to all U.S Galaxy S owners as soon as possible.
Samsungtweets We want Galaxy S owners to have simple/reliable upgrade. We r running tests due to complexity/unique functionality
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I'm not sure if this is meant to be funny or not haha. Are those recent tweets?
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They seem to post the same things over and over, of course this is also because people constantly ask when is froyo coming, and every time they say there is no definite date. It is coming soon that that is all they will say; yelling, moaning and crying isn't gonna make it come any sooner, just sit back and it will eventually come.